A New Player in the Force (SW/Lite Gamer)

Mistakes fixed. Thanks for spotting them.

As bad as the wiki can be, a brief answer can be found here.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Darth_Tenebrous/Legends

 

Would raking a Mando with ionize ruin their day considering how much they rely on their tech?

I hope so. With the amount of power he has shown so far, I often get frustrated when he gets into knock-down, drag-out brawls, because he has previously grasped the entire crew of ships with his mind and lethally slammed them into hulls.

 

Logically, you'd think so, but he also had trouble last chapter with falling... when he's got enough telekinetic power and control to fly pretty easily and has a teleport skill he spammed between Gar and Bo.

I waive it as "writer put himself in a corner, so Cameron is tanking everything to keep the story from being boring". Personally upping the ante is a better way to manage things; but I'm still enjoying the story overall, so w/e.

 

Remember this is all that Cameron knows of Darth Plagueis at the beginning of his insertion.

 

Your right that that's all he knows about Plagueis but as he was falling he did sense a dark side user at the top of the tower so he was going to be cautious of showing what he could do in front of them and keeping stuff hidden so if they did attack him they would be caught off guard.

 

Yeah, but on the other hand he sensed someone strong in the darkside inside that room when he was dropping. I mentioned it before, but considering none of the Death Watch goons used the darkside and all of Damasks guards are dead, it leaves one option-maybe two. Either there's a darksider nearby and he should be hyper vigilant or Damask is the darksider and he should be on guard/tanking the fight to hide his real skill.

 

Id like to clear up several things

Cam felt a dark side thing yes but it was for a split second and he has no idea if it was a dark side user, an artifact, it could have been anything and in pitched combats he has no time to think of it.

Telekinetic strength alone is not what allows someone to fly or even Jedi that can lift a shop would be able to instead of levitation and slow flight being so impressive in lore

Cam has no clue about Plaguies beyond the Tragedy, je knows TCW, Movies and KOTOR 1&2

Cam did not hold back in that fight, everything before this has been against low level combatants, the times he's been in real danger are under the temple, vs the GKD and the marcs and now, him throwing around whole crews was done out of pitched combat when he could muster concentration and force energy not during full on combat and not against fkn Mandalorians

 

But I do not have a problem with her inner monologue. I have a problem with your narration in this part. You could use "lover" 2-3 times, spaced out, with the rest replaced with "Naz" "her" "her friend" etc., but instead, you used "lover" like 20 times if not more.

 

Let's see...
The battles started with Cam overpowering a freaking war cruiser's shields. That takes a ton of power, even for one with a Gamer system and was far, far harder than who he did with the Lokella.

Then he teleports into the atmosphere. With no chute.
It is very difficult to use the Force to fly. They can float (seen in media by what DOOKu does in the 2003 Clone Wars cartoon) but out and out flying is slow and cumbersome (unless your species can fly). And bc of the fighters nearby, and their wakes, he has to spend time and effort stabilizing his fall.

Then, on the way down, once he's figured out a way to control his descent, he has to take out a DW jet squad (done easily but still power drains). He's running new powers (Durability enhancements to his body and his cloak), all this while scanning a city for his friends.

No, he senses something off in the tower for a moment, but he doesn't know what (basically that's Plagueis' Force Supressesion in action but Cam doesn't know that).
He lands, TK's a group of Mandos, blasts another heals Naz (healing others takes more FP to do and takes time - note this for why he didn't heal himself during the fight in the tower).

He then teleports to the plaza (still not a cheap thing to do) catches/slows a half-dozen or so missiles, erects a powerful barrier. Then enters the tower and basically goes Die Hard on the DW inside. (Which takes time and effort even with his powers and results in a part of a building designed to survive orbital bombardment being blown off).

Then, when he finally gets to the VIP, he sees someone catch his lightsaber (which isn't something new Initiates are taught nor something widely known can be done by Jedi - though it really should, but that's on the Order for fucking up there - which results in him getting stabbed in the arm.

At this point, in cqc with 2 highly skilled combatants (on-par with Pre in TVW when he's fighting Maul and Obi-Wan), he falls back on instinct to fight cqc instead of creating room and taking both out with the Force.

Now, he took the woman out, but even with his Player Interface, there's still a brief moment where he needs to concentrate on powers like TK. The male withe the beskad doesn't give him the time to use that.

To sum up, he went into that fight low on FP, and saw the VIP was in imminent danger. Training/instinct kicked in and he engaged at close range instead of distance. A character flaw that has always been there.

Cam is very much a cqc fighter, not a support/ranged fighter. (Though he can easily do both). When adrenaline is pumping he'll look for the heart of the action not a sniper's nest.

And ofc, this will mean when fighting other Force users or beings trained to fight Force users, he runs the risk of getting injured/making mistakes.

Out-of-verse, yeah that was excessive. In-verse, Bo thinks a bit too much about sex and is dealing with the fact that soon Naz will have to marry Kote (who they both think is a bastard, and yes arranged marriages as not the norm for Mandos) and Bo fears losing the person she loves.

 

Yes, cam displayed enough power and control to rip a spaceship in half. The amount of power and control needed to fly is several orders of magnitude lower than that. As for what feats were done in the clone wars, you've already exceeded them on numerous occasions, so they don't matter.

You already had Cam talk about, and use in training, a light saber form based around turning your lightsaber on and off in the middle of battle to gain advantage. I wasn't going to mention it, but since you brought it up...

Isnt his regen ridiculous after the 2 heart of the force upgrades though?

Characterization though is a valid excuse. He favors getting hand to hand, because it's fun. *surrender hands* on this at least.

 

I was kinda wondering why he didn't just keep teleporting to the ground instead of falling.

 

Maybe a far teleport like that is too expensive or the range too far. I don't think he can do what the force wolves can do yet.

 

Force wolves? If your talking from Rebels that isnt even a thing in this, this is an EU story not Disney, and yes Cams teleportation is a short range power

 

Again, ripping the engines off the ship - after taking down warship grade shields - isn't easy. Even with his reserves and regen, that costs a ton of FP. Enough that, by the time he's on the ground, he's already running at <40%. (Lev/Aerokinesis/Teleport/2 new powers are big drains on his reserves).

Also, Jedi Can fly (I edited the message) but, according to my betas/lore guys, it's slow, cumbersome, very draining and not something Cam has learnt yet (because it's a Master-level ability not taught to Padawans for, I'm sure we can all agree, good reasons.

Please, detail the feats in the Clone Wars Cam has surpassed, though remember that this work uses the EU as well as the show for power levels. Many of the things done there are still beyond Cam.

It is, but running so many powers (and it's mentioned, I think, that new powers cost far more than levelled powers) some of which (Levitation, Aerokinesis) have high /second costs that he still suffers massive FP drain.
Force Exhaustion is something all Force users can experience when they use the Force heavily over extended periods. Just because Cam has a boost there doesn't mean he's immune. (Which is what happens to a degree with the Mercs after Cam's hunt)

Cost+range+ gravity being a bitch.
We saw what teleporting blindly did during Serra's hunt (he was unprepared for the wind and almost fell over her) and saw it again here.
There's a moment where teleporting leaves the users disorientated, meaning they're an easy target if used in battle incorrectly/in tight quarters.

 

There are people in Legends that can do it but I can't remember the name of the force abilitiy that allows teleportation around the galaxy.

 

Your probably thinking about fold space

 

reasonable.

It would understand it becoming available after hitting mastery in levitation, but if you can throw something 50 times your mass, as often happens in the movies, you should be able to move your own pretty easily, even with gravity. A better explanation would be that it's awkward, as if I remember the EU descriptions of how TK functions, it's like picking things up while wearing oven mitts or other deliberately cumbersome hand-wear.

Though another thing that's stressed pretty often is scale only matters to a Jedi or sith in terms of what they can wrap their head around, rather than actual cost. I understand that doesn't work very well with a gamer math system though.

Gravity messes with teleportation? That's interesting, though I suppose it's also a pretty common limitation stories put on it.

Why is RANGE an issue though? Range should only matter to teleportation is its not actually teleportation and rather light-speed-movement. Teleportation by definition does not pass through intervening distance.

 

Cam's maximum range is governed by his skill with the ability.
When he first used it, the range was 10m. Now, it's a few clicks, but even maxed it won't be insane
.Long-range teleporting - like between worlds in a system - is another, far rarer and much more expensive power that Cam might learn/discover in the future.

The moment a teleport ends, the gravitational forces (if going from a ship to a planet) are different. it might not be much, but when combined with environmental factors, it matters.

True, but there's also the issue with Cam still (no matter how often he says it) getting his head around the world not being controlled by a game. That, unfortunately, limits his thinking. As does his previous life experiences (and the fact his EU = insane Force abilities/power levels are all but non-existent).

 

I'm most familiar with pressure differentials from the two points causing issues.

 

MC needs Yoda to beat that lesson into his head. Scale doesn't matter young Padawan.

Or maybe StarkKiller/Darth Vader should show him how it's done.

 

Man, anything that starts with "let's see..." you just know somebody trying not to say "this motherf@#$%"

 

Your very first post is this? Sock puppet? w/e.

 

Uh, are you unaware of how this works? We can make clones right now today. We've been able to for a few decades now. We just haven't because of laws... and recently those laws have been reportedly broken where people in China have already been doing things like fucking with baby genetics, and cloning people in international waters has been whispered about for years - though that part AFAIK has been unproven.

Cloning is actually easier than forcing a specific limb to regrow. That said, if medical tech advanced in their society the same way their space tech did, yes... they should be able to replace limbs - but that reasoning you used doesn't follow.

Despite how backwards it might sound, full clones are easier than simple limbs. So much easier in fact, that the plot of several books and movies was about the wealthy in society cloning themselves in order to get organ and limb replacements.

Which is only made worse by reading the same event just from a different perspective. The rest of the chapter was great, but the repition... honestly kinda sucked.

Depends on what the author means by "knows". I for example, know the movies, and KOTOR 1 & 2 - because I've seen them and played those games. I've never once even read the tale of Darth Plagius, but I stil recognized that name and after a bit recalled who he was, just from random bits of info about Star Wars.

It's kind of like knowing "Luke, I am your father." I knew the line, who said it, and the enitre context before I ever saw the movies - and I grew up in a literal cult and so didn't see the movies until I was in my twenties, sometime around 2013/2014! (Which is a large part of why I am still learning about SW, since I'm so new to it.)

Point is, if he knows SW at all, he likely knows something about Darth Plagius, and who he is. Even if only a little.

Seems like it - from Plagius' perspective and the "sudden increase in speed" Cameron showed, it sounds like he was avoiding using all his enhancement abilities, trying to downplay what he could do, and finally used his "package" when he saw he needed to up his game to win the fight.

This part I agree with - it seems more like people expect too much of people. Perfection, instead of real emotions that aren't always "good". Then they make wild judgements based on those internal thoughts instead of the person's actual actions. She's a young, in-love, emotional, and more importantly hormonal teenage girl. Relax folks! Wait for some actual action before judging her! Everybody has bad thoughts at times. Including every single one of you judging her!

Well shit... so much for that argument. Damn Cameron, the forcibly closeted cultist kid knows more than you!

We don't know that teleportation would negate the velocity prior to - teleporting to the ground could just make him smack it hard. Remember, his power takes time to activate, so he'd still gain velocity in between teleports. If momentum is maintained...

Uh, the amount of power yes. Control, no. It's always easier to break shit than to do anything else. Ripping something in half is just large motor control, like how babies learn to more their arms before their individual fingers. Flight is fine control. Much harder. Having a big stick doesn't mean you can finesse it.

Nope, that's a different power. It's in Legends, and also in the old SW D&D game... (which is how I know of it - I played a teleporter in one of them) one allows you to teleport yourself, another your ship if you're the pilot. There's also a useful ability in the game that maintains ship integrity no matter how many holes are in it if you're the pilot... (Integrity being the atmosphere, not the systems. If your electronics get a hole in them, you still lose shit like gravity and thrusters and whatnot. Still, useful in battle!)
Force Teleport - Legends
Fold Space - Legends

...You do realize that he didn't at all say whether he agreed with your assessment or not? This was merely his interpretation of the author's response, not a criticism of what you said?

To just jump right to "Oh, sock puppet" as a response just because you got upset makes you look bad, not him. Everybody gets criticism. You like to give it, you need to expect to get it. You're not immune. And in this instance you might not have even been being criticized, just the situation of the author having to explain being laughed at. Taking shit personally like that isn't a good look.

 

Criticism I can take. It's fun. Gives me something to argue with. But a guy with 1 post? And that's what he says? Seems sus, yknow? I'd have waived it off if he'd talked about the chapter first, maybe mentioned a few other people.

 

I get where you're coming from, but let me try to clarify what I meant. (Probably over-explaining, I have a habit of it.)

Mate, everyone has a first post. And almost no one, myself included, and very likely yourself included, don't post something super insightful. Also, again the first part of my post matters here. The part you didn't quote.

The part where I point out that he didn't in any way say what you said was wrong - that he might even agree with you.

Laughing at the author possibly being frustrated, where the author is in a position of "This motherfucker" doesn't speak badly of you. You could legitimately put an author in that position if they write badly, whether on the whole or just on a particulat part of the story. You just assumed it was an attack on you is my point, and then leapt to the attack on a new person.

Legitimate criticisms and illegitimate ones put authors in a position of "this motherfucker" often enough for his post to go either way. You're assuming.

This is exactly the kind of thing that discourages people from speaking in the first place. (Which, honestly, is the only reason I bothered saying anything at all.) They're new, and we can always use new people. We don't need to scare them off when they didn't even do anything. I've seen too many people who were worried about posting, turn out to be great writers once they felt comfortable posting. - I include long-time lurkers as new, since lurkers aren't writing.

Also, even if they'd been critical - how many posts they may or may not have had in the past doesn't negate the validity of an argument. Worse, by accusing them of being a sock puppet, you're accusing the author of running multiple accounts, which is a bannable offense, and doesn't even make sense since well, the author has been responding to you politely.

A noob maybe criticized you. So what? Either they didn't criticize you, and laughed at the position you put the author in, or they did criticize you. Which leaves three possible results:

Option 1: You weren't criticized. They laughed at the author's difficult position of answering your criticism.
Oops, you owe the noob an apology.

Option 2: You were criticized, and the criticism was unfair.
Well, then they're an idiot.

Option 3: You were criticized, and the criticism was fair.
Well, you didn't respond to the actual criticism and just avoided it with an insult instead, thus proving their point.

To be fair to you, option 3 isn't really possible in this instance due to the content of their post - leaving only options 1 and 2.

Now, if they were in fact trying to criticize you rather than laughing at the situation? Then yeah, I actually agree with you on this part:

Minus the strikethrough, obviously... but the point remains, he didn't actually criticize you in what he said. He pointed out his vision of the author's emotional state. Which, could actually mean he agrees with you. I've been in this situation myself, on both ends. Both where I was the one having to answer questions, and where I was the one asking them. Sometimes legitimate criticisms, sometimes illegitimate ones.

Nothing they said points out their position, only their humor at the imagery in their head at the author's frustration.

Now, if they weren't new, you might know them and have a history with them from which to base off the assumption. But they're new. We don't know. Give them the benefit of the doubt until you know? Not everyone on the internet is trying to be an asshole. This ain't reddit or twitter, lol.

 

Any good lecture needs to take into account: what if the person you're lecturing is in the right?

Youre turning it into this big old thing, as if I'm not already aware of everything you just said, or as if I'm potentially scaring off a fan of the story...who didn't even bother to talk about the story. It's just... *shrug*

 

Your response would actually mean something, if I hadn't pointed out very clearly the possibility that your assumption was correct in my response.

But since I did, it becomes rather obvious what's really going on - since I cannot be "wrong" in this situation as my only stance is "you don't know if he did" not, "he absolutely 100% didn't".

And that is... you'd rather blatantly make misleading statements to pretend and paint a false image of me than to admit you fucked up.

Hubris is a hell of a thing, and so often it's the largest in those who are the fastest to criticize others but cannot accept any pushback whatsoever, even when it's polite. I'm finished here. You've shown yourself for what you are no matter how you try to word things to make it seem otherwise.

Because "making a big thing" of this... is you. The guy never said a word to you, about you, and you just leapt to conclusions. Then, when this was pointed out, rather than going "Oh, damn, he could have actually not been insulting me," you'd rather dig your heels in, because you're not a mentally strong enough person to apologize.

Arch432? Post whatever the hell you want. Don't let arrogant folks too bigheaded to admit they might have made an error try to push you down. Whether it's about the story, the author, or whatever. Because comments made on a public forum are just that, public, and thus open to public response. Even if the commentor is to immature to handle pushback, whether real or perceived.

This conversation is over, because I don't bother with outright liars.

 

Where?

then why are you the one with massive self-righteous posts about it?

 

Uhh, really didn't think this would turn into a big thing, just thought the tone of the original post was pretty funny.

 

Eh, don't worry about it. I'm more annoyed at Luna for lecturing and being crazy than i am suspicious at your choice of first post.