With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Orange Lantern in: Spirited Away, But Can Actually Teleport Back Whenever So Not Really

"This is a really inefficient bathhouse"

 

It could show that Paul is willing to fight gods for justice.

I'm picturing them going to his temple, pointing at a statie of him and just laughing like idiots.

Yeah, that way leads to disturbing sociopaths for soldiers.

Though she may try to reign in the bloodlust or at least direct it to those that deserve it.

He may be dead, seeing as Lucifer already left and Maze killed Susano before that.

Granted he did show up in the 2016 comic, though that isn't considered canon, but maybe his mother brought him back to life.

 

Except he can't remember or say his name, so he's fucked.

 

Which didn't stop her from raising Typhon or the Gigantes to overthrow him.

The only thing Gaea's likely to be upset over is that she didn't handpick the guy to take the throne like she did the last two times.

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

I'm a little iffy on Paul still being considered mortal. He's basically half Avarice Elemental as it is, so I would think the Amazons would see him as more demigod or something like that.

I'm kinda curious as to Paul's reputation among the Amazons now.

First of all, I'm excited to see Paul interact with a new pantheon. Second, I am now imagining Paul advising Euanthe on what to do now that she's considered a goddess in South America while Accalacans who dislike Paul due to his connection to Alan give him the stink eye. Also, is this possibly a chance for there to be a South American version of the Amazons?

 

If I recall correctly then Paul teleports through the Honden of Avarice and uses people's desire structures in order to navigate, having nothing like omnivision or other means of orientation. How did he triangulate the exact position of the forest?

 

Some already consider him a demigod, but others still may not, or at least consider him to be one but still call him mortal since he technically is a mortal.

He might be using Gaea's desires to guide him.

 

Presumably he knows the layout of Themyscira, so he can use his ring to calculate the relative position of the forest and then teleport there. Maybe this imprecise method is why he didn’t go straight to the sacred grove.

 

Gaea is the personification of the Earth itself she is everywhere on the planet at once the person Paul met was just an Avatar her desires shouldn't be able to lead him anywhere right?

 

I think he can see lingering desires in certain places, so maybe he tracked down her previous desires when she was there.

 

Not by any reasonable definition.

…another matter Paul has been happily ignoring.

She is the de facto ruler of Brazil and bits of the surrounding countries. The power she doesn’t understand is political and social, not mystical.

 

It doesn't have to be a current desire. Historical desires work nearly as well.

 

I remember that he did this when looking for the man who trapped Dream. The guy had a desire to conquer Death herself.

 

Ah...

No.

Nothing like that, but no.

Manners, apparently.

To you remember when the SI assimilated Teekl, cutting Klarion off from the greater part of his self?

Like that.

 

Wasn't one of Athena's primary epithets "Athena Promachos", which means "Athena, who fights in front"?

 

Yes, it is but it may not necessarily be true in this story and the writers who wrote that may have been mistaken, or maybe while Athena can fight from the front, she still doesn't have the power to influence bloodlust like Ares does.

 

Hmm. On finding a replacement patron, I think it's worth at least checking out Jupiter. While there are similarities for what should be rather obvious reasons, there were differences between Jupiter and Zeus that made it seem Jupiter was somewhat more chill. Just from the difference in how he was characterized by the Romans.

Kind of like how, as mentioned, the Greeks didn't really like Ares and saw him mostly as a destructive and destabilizing force. But the Romans loved Mars and viewed him as both a representation of the use of military power to secure peace and as Father of the Roman people. He was also a god of agriculture.

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Also, there was some stuff about how the Silver City might react to the Greek Gods proselytizing. From what I recall, they probably wouldn't care.

It was already stated at one point in-story that the Silver City doesn't really care about them or their afterlife. Mostly because in their eyes the Greek afterlife isn't permanent, but rather something they consider to be a temporary state of affairs. With the Silver City apparently being the only truly permanent afterlife.

From what I recall, in DC the Silver City is actually the only multiversal afterlife. So I guess if you were to go there after death you'd be able to bump into any other versions of yourself that went there.

 

Do you know where this was said? Cause I'd like to read it!

 

I'm imagining Heph now pretty much looks like a Golden big Daddy (with more of a dwemer art style than 50's diver gear).

 

*Escapes both Heaven and Hell.

*Comes back from being killed by being erased from the universe.

Yeah just a mortal.

The MC is as "mortal" as Lobo is.

 

I think you may be misunderstanding what a mantle is.

A mantle is more than just a bundle of powers. A mantle has metaphysical weight, inextricably linked with some fundamental concept. It comes with near-absolute authority over that domain and imparts some level of responsibility (depending on who's writing, even to the level of compulsion or even identity erasure). It can only be borne by one individual at a time, and it's fairly easily transferable -- something as simple as death is enough to pass it to someone else. Usually, it must be borne by someone.

That is a far more specific thing than the general concept of a divine domain or divine portfolio. In this story, multiple gods can have the same domain. Defeating a god doesn't grant you their power; depending on the nature of the god and the nature of their metaphysical relationship to their domain, this could mean that the defeat of the god leaves the domain uncontrolled or chaotic or even destroyed and inaccessible, or it could just mean that the domain will continue on along its natural course. And new gods can rise up and gain a portfolio without taking power away from anyone else.

It's possible for a sufficiently powerful effect to interfere with a god's metaphysical connection to their domain. You can metaphysically alter the god's nature, or you could cut off the god's access to their well of power without actually disconnecting them from their domain. The latter appears to be what happened here -- Zeus IS still associated with weather, but he doesn't have the mojo to manipulate it until Hephaestaean removes the restriction.

Indeed, if it WERE a mantle, then we wouldn't be having the current conflict! Zeus's defeat and disconnection from his domain would allow his mantle to be passed on to someone else, and Captain Marvel wouldn't be cut off from the lightning.

anymore

 

Her English isn't perfect.

 

As far back as when the comic creators, Jerry Siegel and Bernard Bailey, first presented it in 1940, in More Fun Comics #52.

It exists "outside the created order of things" and predates the rest of creation. With DC making it exist separately from the multiverse.

Like, every universe in the multiverse that has an Earth with Greek gods has its own version of those gods with its own version of their afterlife. And the same goes for other afterlives. But the Silver City/Heaven? There's just the one and it collects good/just souls from every universe.

Well, at least that's the way it usually was done. The New 52 decided to make it so Heaven wasn't unique like that and made stuff like Apokolips, New Genesis, the Greek Underworld, etc. etc. also exist outside the multiverse. But the New 52 has a lot of stupid shit worth disregarding. Like, did you know that in the New 52 the source of all evil is Earth 3? The Earth with the Crime Syndicate. All the evil in the multiverse originated from there for some dumbass reason.

 

To be fair, both times he had outside help with that.

It's not like the previous era of comic books lacked its own stupid shit.

 

Considering he teleported out and them teleported back in directly at her location, I assume she made herself visible to his senses at that specific location.

 

Aphrodite could become the new war god. A study of mythology would indicate that she has had the job before many times. It depends on if Hephaestaean's upset with Aphrodite is greater then his desire to humiliate Ares just a little more.

As mortal as someone that doesn't age or stay dead can be.

 

What is your definition of "mortal" that you think applies to Paul? He's capable of death, sure, but not even the goddess of chaos expects it to ever stick. The man was wiped from reality and treated it like he just bumped his noggin real bad for a bit. He was brutalized by ravenous angels and decided that the Christian heaven was actually pretty lackluster, so he staged a jail break, waged a war, and complained to the managers.

He's put a time limit on the war he's currently waging against the Reach, after which he's stated he'll stop fucking around and just win the war so he can marry his girlfriend.

In a thousand years he'll decide to just waltz around time and the multiverse looking for problems to solve.

I'll ask again, What is your definition of "mortal" that you think applies to Paul?!

 

Well, he clearly isn't immortal since he has been killed and hasn't simply resurrected after.

 

Resurrective Immortality is still technically immortality. Although I'm not sure the Amazons see this as actual immortality, since some stories have people coming back from the Underworld already.