Questionable Questing

You realize the Forsaken, outside of fanon, never actually immersed in the culture of the Horde, right? Their introduction is that they are just using the Horde; outside of exceptions who turn out not even Forsaken, there aren't any "honorable undead", except for character that don't affect the story.

I mean, burning down a tree with the trunk as thick as an island isn't a one-man-job, yeah?

Like, if we only show the MC the parts where Thrall stops Archimond, Thrall frees their people, Thrall attacks Deathwing, Thrall helps the trolls, and Thrall saves the tauren... then yes, we could have someone who sympathizes one orc. But those are exceptions, no? You can't expect the MC to care about Blackhand as he literally depopulates a fifth of the continent, can you? Or Garrosh? Or Sylvanas?

Like, I intellectually understand there are "honorable" and "good" people in the Horde. You want that to be the reason for sympathy, yes? But they don't actually do anything that is honorable or good when it matters, no?

I'm just saying, if you want to railroad the MC to being Forsaken, that's possible. I could try to make it interesting. But to have that MC love the Horde? It, through Ner'zhul, caused the undead.

Cairne, Lor'themar, Vol'jin... We can keep saying they are honorable, but if we show the MC all or most of the cut scenes, how can the MC believe that?

"Let's see the Horde as people, as they save themselves at the expense of human lives," is pretty much the best that could be done. The MC could easily notice that everything was about selfish, individual honor; never about helping the whole.

The best we could do is show Saurfang, but even that family is an entire family of mass murderers. Do we forgive Daddy Saurfang for the thousands of draenei children he killed because he feels bad his son died? Or Cairne's reasoning that killing harpies and centaurs is fine because they are "more savage" and "evil creatures" because he was poisoned in a duel?

The Horde invaded and took the land of native quillboars, but that's fine because they are "savage" and "evil" and "without honor", right? We forgive that because the humans put the orcs in internment camps for literally killing almost the entire population of the Kingdom of Azeroth, enslaving Alexstrasza, burning Dalaran, depopulating Stromgarde, killing half of Ironforge?

Like... you literally have to only show half the story, and you have to lie to the MC to make them to sympathize with the Horde.

You know I'm not saying "fuck those guys", right? But you're not giving me a way to justify this.

"Doom is coming to kill everyone I love, but those guys aren't so bad so I'll join them when they come!"

Like, you do realize, in setting, it's weird for people to sympathize with an enemy nation, culture, religion, and species, right? Even in the modern era, that's weird, and this is supposed to be a fantasy setting where that isn't common. So unless there's a really good reason, that's inconsistent, and awful storytelling.

Not going to have a 'horde are all evil bastards' argument on my page... though I'll point out that the point with the quill boars, is basically the same as with the human's the elves and the trolls.

And I'm definately not saying 'And the MC will suddenly be conflicted in breaking the enemy army if they can'...

Especially since you'll notice I'm pretty much a horde player straight through and I stopped playing since the stupid fucking Sylvanus stuff.

I'm pretty much not interested in a 'and then they genocided the evil creatures pouring out of the portals ever after' story. Which means I was thinking of how to approach it...

With a protagonist who'd both work on keeping their people safe, and trying to actually find a way to make bridges.

I get more than enough of the other stuff... pretty much everywhere else.

... I didn't say that. I said you aren't putting yourself in the shoes of the MC, you are imposing your biases and your beliefs upon the MC without regard for in-character logic.

You aren't giving me a reason to have "trying to find a way to make bridges".

I didn't say "refute my arguments", I'm saying, you aren't giving me an in-lore, in-game, OR in-character way to make what you believe what the MC believes. SO unless you want "Horde fanatic isekai", I can't see any way of carrying out what you just asked for.

The only way you've given me so far is "Bronze Dragons", which is equivalent to having an omnipotent being handwave the reason for the MC's motivation.

Can you not see why this is a terrible story in this way?

Ugh... I have the idea of how to make it work... but I'm doing alot of the talking over my phone.

Basically some of the Forsaken don't remember who they were before having risen, which means you can approach that life as a clean slate of interactions which the MC would be remembering. Ie smaller inter personal things happen.

Also while not faction wide, there were definately plenty of forsaken who became Horde loyalists first and foremost. This isn't against canon, it's just they would have been a minority.

Add on top of this the MC having to reconcile both lives with each other while remembering and trying to avoid the Nightmare scenario of the first...