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Questionable Questing

CptTagon
CptTagon
That's probably why there aren't any. Too hard to make entertaining to read about.
AsTheGlassMelts
AsTheGlassMelts
They had unstoppables like the Triumvirate though. Anyone who dealt with Eidolon could have dealt with a Master, since he is one, so not having any heroes like that was weird. Going the Doylist way now that you point it out I see lots of reasons though, you're right; Boring confrontations, and then also they needed to make Masters seem evil and having a heroic one would have made that hard.
Valette-Serafina
Valette-Serafina
When you say mind control, what kind of mind control are you thinking of? Because Worm does have mind-controlling heroes, for a given value of hero.
AsTheGlassMelts
AsTheGlassMelts
I think you're asking the wrong question, a better one would be what kind of hero. Mind control could have been anything from Khepri to Heartbreaker to Regent. Gallant doesn't count, nor does Glory Girl, because they can't just make someone do something. Pretender doesn't count as it's him taking the actions while possessing them. Canary works. For 'Hero' however, 'in the Protectorate' is what I meant.
Valette-Serafina
Valette-Serafina
That's contradictory. If Regent or Khepri count, then Pretender counts. If Heartbreaker counts, then Gallant and Glory Girl count.
AsTheGlassMelts
AsTheGlassMelts
Except Gallant and Glory Girl can't utterly remake you into their loving slave in their very first encounter; GG took years to make Panacea, and her other family members and school mates never got that bad, Gallant just hasn't done any of that in general. Pretender has to be in your body doing stuff while you do it, rather than just looking at you and making your body move around. I don't find it contradictory.
AsTheGlassMelts
AsTheGlassMelts
I feel like you're thinking I mean 'emotional control' when I say Heartbreaker, and 'body control' when I say Khepri and Regent. But I'm not, I'm saying 'making someone else do whatever you want without you being required to really do anything.' Martian Manhunter style 'glare at bankrobber and make them stop robbing the bank.'
Valette-Serafina
Valette-Serafina
Then, no, there are no heroes with that power in any branch of superhero fiction. That's a villain's action.
AsTheGlassMelts
AsTheGlassMelts
Except that Martian Manhunter and Zatanna and other heroes do this. My off the head examples are mostly Marvel and DC, but those are most off the head heroes anyways, but that one guy in My Hero Academia is a Hero in Training and has it. It's reeeeally not a villain's power unless they use it in villainous ways. Like basically every power.
Valette-Serafina
Valette-Serafina
No, you specifically ruled out the methods of all three of your examples. What they do isn't mind control as you define it.
AsTheGlassMelts
AsTheGlassMelts
I think you just reeeally aren't understanding what I'm saying. Manhunter can look at a guy, or a group of guys, and say 'hey, stop robbing this bank.' So can Emma Frost. So can Zatanna, though she probably would say it backwards. Then they HAVE to do so. That's mind control how I define it. So is Hitoshi Shinso's 'respond to me, THEN stop.'
AsTheGlassMelts
AsTheGlassMelts
Anyone that can control the actions of someone else well enough to stop them entirely from doing something they were doing, or to force them to do something they don't want to do, etc. That's ALL mind control to me, usually, depending on how it's done. Contessa manipulation wouldn't be, despite proably being capable of it, because it's just manipulation. Threats are just threats, etc. Mind control is mind control.
AsTheGlassMelts
AsTheGlassMelts
Ah, rereading, it looks like you maybe got caught up on my description of the difference between Gallant/Glory Girl and Heartbreaker? But that wasn't meant to be 'mind control is turning them into your love slave' so much as an example of how HB COULD do what I meant, which is just 'act instantly on someon you just met instead of GG's years of aura infection'.
Valette-Serafina
Valette-Serafina
You specifically ruled out controlling someone's actions without also completely dominating their mind, and then as an example you picked a guy who controls actions without dominating minds. Your definition is inconsistent.
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