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  1. truebeasts

    Gendered nouns, nonstandard and otherwise

    This happened a while back in the conversation, but it hasn't really been expanded on, and I have not really been keeping up because of a combination of moving house/unreliable internet/life reasons, so... This is a tempting comparison to make, but I think it's a mistake to treat it as a 1:1...
  2. truebeasts

    Gendered nouns, nonstandard and otherwise

    No, see, my actual issue here is 1) I asked you to elaborate on something that you said 2) other people in the thread wrote responses to your post 3) TanaNari wrote a post accusing me of asking you to elaborate solely so that I could then attack you for it, despite the fact that I hadn't, at...
  3. truebeasts

    Gendered nouns, nonstandard and otherwise

    (Sorry about the almost-double-post: I didn't want to write a long reply from mobile.) Yeah, that sounds like a really shitty situation, and the dude was an asshole. Besides the obvious sexual harassment, it's super shitty to berate someone for not being sexually attracted to you. I do...
  4. truebeasts

    Gendered nouns, nonstandard and otherwise

    While this might be technically ideal behavior, I think it's kind of unreasonable to ask people who've just been sexually harassed to sit down and calmly consider exactly what characteristic was really the problem with the person who harassed them. Harassment really sucks, it's almost impossible...
  5. truebeasts

    Gendered nouns, nonstandard and otherwise

    Well, I'm afraid you're confused about the definition of "camp." You realize that there is an entire Wikipedia page just a Google away, right? So, in two sentences, camp means, basically, behavior that's flamboyant, ostentatious, deliberately theatrical, etc. As performance, it's usually...
  6. truebeasts

    Gendered nouns, nonstandard and otherwise

    Hijra...is not a pronoun, and I'm not sure why you're suggesting it is? (Hijra, for anyone who has no idea what I'm on about, is a Hindi word for a biologically male person who wears women's clothes, performs a female role in some other ways, etc. They often leave their families and live in...
  7. truebeasts

    Gendered nouns, nonstandard and otherwise

    I wonder if this is a differing-usage thing, because to me, the use of "he" as default sounds tremendously old-fashioned. It's simply not used that way anymore in either modern speech or writing. Even some of the most militant people on this thread arguing that "he" is a neutral pronoun have...
  8. truebeasts

    Gendered nouns, nonstandard and otherwise

    Well, yes, obviously the judgment that it's provocative comes after the fact--as a hypothesis, you'd want to phrase the distinction in a more neutral way. But it doesn't seem like anyone is actually disagreeing that that passage sounds odd and provocative. I think you are confused. The...
  9. truebeasts

    Gendered nouns, nonstandard and otherwise

    The hypothesis is that "he" is a gender neutral pronoun, at least when used to refer to a hypothetical person or a person of unknown gender. For this to be true, people should think that there's nothing unusual about referring to a hypothetical average American who happens to be female with the...
  10. truebeasts

    Gendered nouns, nonstandard and otherwise

    Cupcake, I wrote multiple posts where I addressed every argument you made point for point, followed by one post in which I explained why I was no longer going to going to engage because you weren't upholding the standards of polite discussion you keep saying you're so concerned by. By the time...
  11. truebeasts

    Gendered nouns, nonstandard and otherwise

    Yeah, it sure is painful to have whole paragraphs of your arguments reproduced exactly as written for the purposes of comparison to other whole paragraphs of your arguments. Way more dishonest and manipulative than taking three words out of something I wrote and making up an argument that...
  12. truebeasts

    Gendered nouns, nonstandard and otherwise

    It is unrelated in the sense that "the word 'she' is sometimes used to refer to inanimate objects" does not prove that "the word 'he' can equally be used to refer to human men and human women." You're trying to prove too much by the analogy. See, most of the people I've heard struggle with...
  13. truebeasts

    Gendered nouns, nonstandard and otherwise

    The boat issue is orthogonal to the point at hand, as is the issue about cows/cattle (which I'm sure you can figure why cattle are usually referred to in the feminine if you think about the economic role they've played in most human societies that kept them--namely, only female cows produce...
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