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I'm sure without even the enhancements there are a thousand ways to kill someone. Also Crawler would present an interesting problem if done without prep.
- To ensure she has the wherewithal to actually kill things, the shard also buffs her up to nominal levels of strength, speed and endurance. Not 'peak human' capability, but definitely 'athletic teen'.
Yes, yes, he does.I'm sure without even the enhancements there are a thousand ways to kill someone. Also Crawler would present an interesting problem if done without prep.
Imma have to keep the explicit descriptions of blood and gore to a minimum, but otherwise I'll be okay.Oh Ack, you spoil us, this is a concept I've been waiting for for a long time. I can't fucking wait for shit to go down. Piggot when she's finds out her ward unleashed Death is going to be fucking incredible. Take my watch! That being said, this might need to be moved to NSFW depending on how it goes down unless NSFW is purely for lewd?
But oh so satisfying."Blood sprayed from the shattered remains of Sophia's severed wrist, painting the far wall and Emma alike with a glistening red sheen" would probably be a little over the top. Just saying.
Well, that's terrifying. O_O[A/N 1: Taylor's shard is Path to Ending. It's like Path to Victory, but it's focused on killing things. People, machines, abstract concepts such as 'this conversation' or 'his reputation' or 'her bank account'; if something can be in any way killed, she can Path how to do it. However, although its ambit is limited compared to PtV, there are seven important aspects about it:]
She can kill someone's good name, their reputation, their social life, sure.Isn't it's possible for the power to provide a way to end "someone's social life"? Or is that too peaceful of an end?
If she can recognise that something is a thing, and if killing it is in any way possible, then PtE can guide her in killing it.Can she kill things like 'disloyalty' 'resistance to my orders' 'power connection restricting access to me and only me' 'the bits of this shard that make is disloyal to me' 'Edens/Scions resistance to my permanent enslavement unbreakable of her/him' 'My shards limiters which limits me access to its power without damaging my mind' 'Anything that will try to maliciously attack or attempt to kill me now or in the future' 'risk of my death'
Basically, this power has a lot of potential optimizations. It can potentially allow mc to recover the broken, entities as her weapons and possibly give a good fight against any future entities that try to invade, which they undoubtedly will. Though before any of that she will need to remove all of abandons back doors and fully take over the shard.
She can say/do whatever's necessary to ensure the loyalty of any one person at a time, or know it's impossible (some people have Chronic Backstabbing Syndrome, after all).
'Anything that will try to maliciously attack or attempt to kill me now or in the future'
Her power already warns of this.
'risk of my death'
If she's running a Path to end something or someone, she will be aware that she has to circumvent her imminent demise.
In worm there are way more options than this ptv can play with like mastering a master and then having them master other people for her. Reconfiguring brains with tinkertech, etc etc.'disloyalty'
She can say/do whatever's necessary to ensure the loyalty of any one person at a time, or know it's impossible (some people have Chronic Backstabbing Syndrome, after all).
The shard may love her but that does not mean it is loyal to her or looking out for her best interests, nor does it do anything about the back doors abbadon most likely has on it.'power connection restricting access to me and only me'
She doesn't know this is a thing, and she may not be able to get this sort of access.
'the bits of this shard that make is disloyal to me'
See above. Also, the shard currently loves her.
You mentioned lifespan, physical limits etc as things that would make some paths not viable but that does not make sense in worm where becoming immortal is very possible and she can upgrade her body. For example 'path to killing the limits of my lifespan without modifying my mody in a way that I wouldn't agree with' A quick trip to Amy and there you go. 'My body limits from my current self to peak human' Go get a biotinker injection.'Edens/Scions resistance to my permanent enslavement unbreakable of her/him'
That would require several things she currently doesn't have access to. With those things, she could say/do exactly the right things to get that result.
Her power makes her aware of people who are actively planning hostile acts toward her, even if those acts are several people removed. If Coil ordered one of his men to hire a Merchant to kidnap Taylor and drug her up, she'd ping on the whole chain."Power, Path to Killing Emma's Disloyalty to me"
Step 1: Obtain Knife
Step 2: Apply Knife to throat of DESIGNATION: EMMA
"...Power, Path to Killing Emma's Disloyalty to me non-lethally"
Error: Path not found
Huh, so her power basically has a constant sub-goal (or even primary goal, with the Killing being the sub-goal) of "while keeping me alive" appended by default to any path, basically?
Or just generally has a background process running "Path to not being killed" running?
In worm there are way more options than this ptv can play with like mastering a master and then having them master other people for her. Reconfiguring brains with tinkertech, etc etc.
Why can she only make one person loyal to her at a time? cant she simply say kill 'the disloyalty of every human on earth towards me.'
The shard may love her but that does not mean it is loyal to her or looking out for her best interests, not does it do anything about the back doors abbadon most likely has on it.
I am sure PtV can finagle a few trumps to unlock access. After all unrestricted means, she can induce trigger events to get the power she wants.
You mentioned lifespan, physical limits etc as things that would make some paths not viable but that does not make sense in worm where becoming immortal is very possible and she can upgrade her body. For example 'path to killing the limits of my lifespan without modifying my mody in a way that I wouldn't agree with' A quick trip to Amy and there you go. 'My body limits from my current self to peak human' Go get a biotinker injection.
Even if see cant do things like this now its not like she will remain static and Cauldron won't help her with their resources eventually.
The only back door he put on it is "Don't kill me with it, please."The shard may love her but that does not mean it is loyal to her or looking out for her best interests, not does it do anything about the back doors abbadon most likely has on it.
(sigh) Unrestricted means that there is nobody and nothing she can't kill. Not that she can do anything. She can Path the Endbringers, and even kill them, but she can't (for instance) become one.I am sure PtV can finagle a few trumps to unlock access. After all unrestricted means, she can induce trigger events to get the power she wants.
This wouldn't work. It's too long. It's too complicated. Once more, it's trying to be PtV by saying 'killing' then loading on everything you want to circumvent, and that's not how it works.For example 'path to killing the limits of my lifespan without modifying my body in a way that I wouldn't agree with'
No. That's not part of killing. That's building up. That's improving. Killing is killing. Ending.
Except that's improving. Not ending.but that does not make sense in worm where becoming immortal is very possible
She wouldn't accept Cauldron's assistance unless she was in charge. Once she finds out what they're up to, she's going to rip them an entirely new set of orifices for their bumbling.Even if see cant do things like this now its not like she will remain static and Cauldron won't help her with their resources eventually.
I don't get it, paths as long as they are killing something can be as long as she wants in their goals cant they? So why do they have to be short?Her power makes her aware of people who are actively planning hostile acts toward her, even if those acts are several people removed. If Coil ordered one of his men to hire a Merchant to kidnap Taylor and drug her up, she'd ping on the whole chain.
Well, it's not like all but a very few people are actively disloyal toward her. All but a dozen or so aren't even aware of her existence. And as she isn't depending on the ones who dislike her to do anything for her, they're not being disloyal; you have to indicate loyalty first. So the only one that even comes close to applying to is Emma. And yes, she can probably find the right way to talk to Emma to ensure her loyalty.
No, there is no magic phrase she can utter, nor the ways or means to transmit it to everyone on earth, to make them all instantly loyal to her.
Besides, once you get beyond one or two words for the 'kill' command, you're basically trying to treat it like PtV. PtE doesn't build stuff up; it destroys. It's there to End things, not sneakily get them.
The only back door he put on it is "Don't kill me with it, please."
(sigh) Unrestricted means that there is nobody and nothing she can't kill. Not that she can do anything. She can Path the Endbringers, and even kill them, but she can't (for instance) become one.
This wouldn't work. It's too long. It's too complicated. Once more, it's trying to be PtV by saying 'killing' then loading on everything you want to circumvent, and that's not how it works.
Path to killing Panacea's unhappiness, yes. She can do that. What you said? Not so much.
No. That's not part of killing. That's building up. That's improving. Killing is killing. Ending.
Except that's improving. Not ending.
She wouldn't accept Cauldron's assistance unless she was in charge. Once she finds out what they're up to, she's going to rip them an entirely new set of orifices for their bumbling.
Because it's still a shard and it wants to promote creativity. It's not gonna hand her everything on a silver platter.I don't get it, paths as long as they are killing something can be as long as she wants in their goals cant they? So why do they have to be short?
I say it is. It's specifically Path to Ending. I created it, so I'm pretty sure I know more about what it is than you do.If the path she has can ONLY destroy and cant create something to destroy something else then the power is not PTV geared towards killing, its something else.
What process could she possibly use to become an Endbringer? Seriously? Her path lets her use whatever resources are available to her to carry out her goals.She can kill anything, say for example she wants to kill a entity by becoming a endbringer, why wouldn't her path let her do that, the end result is killing, the path is applicable and doable.
She's not going to try to kill all evil in the universe. She can't. She can kill any given evil thing in front of her, and she will if it gets in her way. But she can't take over all shards because there is no mechanism in Earth Bet that allows it (and once again, that goes against both the spirit and the letter of the power). She could theoretically ask Panacea to make her functionally immortal, but she can't use her power to do it.Basically in order to kill things like all evil in the universe the path would by necessity need to take over all the shards, make her immortal etc, you can some up with all sorts of things like this.
And that's why I keep telling you no. You keep trying to slide around the restrictions and that's not how this power works. The power kills. It ends. It doesn't work to benefit her, except in the lack of whatever she's killing or ending. If she tried to make it too tricky, it wouldn't be an applicable use of the power.Path anything with the end result being killing and just stop once you get the benefits that the path gave you to be able to do said killing without needing to kill anything.
Easier to find a gangbanger and mug him for his gun. Her power would not give her the skill to manufacture something when they're available elsewhere.
Because there is no given mechanism in Worm for her to do this. And I'm not going to ass-pull one for her to do it.
You greatly misunderstand the nature of this power. It will carry out the path by the simplest means possible. You ask 'why can't she make or control a shard' and then you say 'it can accomplish anything possible'. Well, given that making or controlling a shard is literally impossible for her, that's why.The path is the path, it can accomplish anything possible to get to the goal set by mcs prompt as long it results in the killing.
Word trickery. The power doesn't work that way.For the loyalty example she could declare in a empty room that everyone be loyal to her, then run the path as everyone is now disloyal to her.
Two things:PtV even in a limited form can be finessed to do a lot of things. She has no limits on how many promts she can ask for paths for she can just spam them until the path needed to accomplish the killing needs her improvement first, run that path until self-improvement and then exit.
I don't get it, paths as long as they are killing something can be as long as she wants in their goals cant they? So why do they have to be short?
If the path she has can ONLY destroy and cant create something to destroy something else then the power is not PTV geared towards killing, its something else.
She can kill anything, say for example she wants to kill a entity by becoming a endbringer, why wouldn't her path let her do that, the end result is killing, the path is applicable and doable.
Basically in order to kill things like all evil in the universe the path would by necessity need to take over all the shards, make her immortal etc, you can some up with all sorts of things like this. Path anything with the end result being killing and just stop once you get the benefits that the path gave you to be able to do said killing without needing to kill anything.
For example can she make a gun to shoot someone to kill them? If so why cant she make or control a shard to do it. The path is the path, it can accomplish anything possible to get to the goal set by mcs prompt as long it results in the killing.
For the loyalty example she could declare in a empty room that everyone be loyal to her, then run the path as everyone is now disloyal to her.
PtV even in a limited form can be finessed to do a lot of things. She has no limits on how many promts she can ask for paths for she can just spam them until the path needed to accomplish the killing needs her improvement first, run that path until self-improvement and then exit.
The power itself might also just not let Taylor consider these options fully by herself. We have seen enough of shards messing with their hosts mind to conceal and misdirect people away from thinking about them, and to urge them towards violence and conflict.Like, there's a difference between exploring the various intricacies of a power, and trying to nitpick things. Just assume that there's some hidden drawback to the power that makes it so that the more you try to 'game the system' as it were, the less powerful the power gets or something, if it's *that* important to you that her power basically be "PtV but better in every way".
Hey now I am just trying to theorycraft and try to munchkin the power, you are well within your rights to veto anything and homebrew your definition of what the power is and its limits are, after all its your power.Now do me a favour and stop trying to leverage PtE into PtV. It doesn't work that way and it never will.
I get most of my enjoyment out of stories from the use of powers, the exploration of them, and less anything else. Taylor as a character is known to push power in creative and minmax ways, why wouldn't she leverage her power to the fullest? Now in her limited power as explained by the author above she may well not be able to do any of the paths I talked about but what does that matter, not taking about them would have meant the power was left less explored.I feel like you're trying really, really, REALLY hard to try and "Hack" or "Break" the power when it's clearly not the premise. Sure, you could get a "GOTCHA" there, but that's pretty obviously not the direction the story is taking.
Like, there's a difference between exploring the various intricacies of a power, and trying to nitpick things. Just assume that there's some hidden drawback to the power that makes it so that the more you try to 'game the system' as it were, the less powerful the power gets or something, if it's *that* important to you that her power basically be "PtV but better in every way".
The power is "Path to Victory, but restricted to Killing things/people/concepts", sure you could powergame and minmax your way to Ultra-Godhood, but why would *Taylor* do that? How does that make the story better? At some point you just gotta suspend your disbelief and just enjoy the story, instead of thinking seriously in-depth about the specifics of power interaction and potential uses to try and metagame your way to immortality.
Hey now I am just trying to theorycraft and try to munchkin the power, you are well within your rights to veto anything and homebrew your definition of what the power is and its limits are, after all its your power.
Mc may never do it and but there are definitely ways to take over the shard network in worm, teacher could gather a bunch of tinkers and breach shardspace, PtV when it was unrestricted could kill Eden, Cauldron could mess with Edens body to make bottled powers. If PtV could path trigger events its user should be able to draw whatever configuration of whatever shard as needed and use that leverage to do other stuff. Worm is a land of opportunity, you just need broken powers to take advantage of it.
I get most of my enjoyment out of stories from the use of powers, the exploration of them, and less anything else. Taylor as a character is known to push power in creative and minmax ways, why wouldn't she leverage her power to the fullest? Now in her limited power as explained by the author above she may well not be able to do any of the paths I talked about but what does that matter, not taking about them would have meant the power was left less explored.
You enjoy reading the story as is and ignoring the powers thats your prerogative. You are free to ignore my comments related to the exploration of the power.
Dude I don't get why you are getting so pissy, sure her power may not work that way and I already conceded that 2 posts ago.And I'm telling you the power doesn't work that way.
For the purpose of this fic, Ward is a fanfic and will be treated as such. I haven't read it to its conclusion, I do not agree with several of the premises that WB based it on, and it cannot be used as the basis for any power use in this fic.
PtV got to kill Eden at the exact most vulnerable moment. That isn't going to happen again any time soon.
PtV could not Path trigger events in Worm, so I'm going with that. Besides, PtE is not and never will be PtV.
This fic will be about beating the setting without munchkining and theorycrafting the power.
Thank you, I will.
Now, one more time for those in the back:
HER POWER DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT AND NEVER WILL.
Dude I don't get why you are getting so pissy, sure her power may not work that way and I already conceded that 2 posts ago.
You could have stopped replying two posts ago as well yet here we are. In my second reply I agreed that it was yours to do with, that your powers interpretation is yours, that I dont care about it, why did you keep talking? even when I stopped asking questions after that. Why did you keep talking about it even after the conversation ended with regards to the power, over and over and over again.And yet you kept talking about it.
You could've stopped two posts ago.
Seriously.
Despite you starting it and you trying to keep munchkining her power, as you yourself stated. Anyone would get annoyed if you just want to try poking all the things and then more.You could have stopped replying two posts ago as well yet here we are.
And she could kill PanPan's resistance to the idea, and obstacles to making the proposal, but she couldn't just "kill her own death," right?She could theoretically ask Panacea to make her functionally immortal, but she can't use her power to do it.
Basically ... yes?And she could kill PanPan's resistance to the idea, and obstacles to making the proposal, but she couldn't just "kill her own death," right?
The whole thing seems designed to circumvent the "Path Puppet" Contessa fanon. By only being allowed to Path certain actions, it forces more creativity in getting to a position where those actions further her goals.