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Breakaway Civilization Quest

Discussion in 'Questing' started by I Just Write, Oct 5, 2021.

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  1. I Just Write

    I Just Write Plural System of Eight

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    Z: Clarification on the priority system for industrial votes:
    [xxx]: High Priority
    [xx]: Mid Priority
    [x]: Low Priority
     
  2. TCGM

    TCGM (Unverified God/Space Snek)

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    OOooohhhhh yes. Time to inject some of my signature chaos~

    Industrial Capacity
    [X] 50% (Final Industrial Capacity: 2098, Output Invested: 3734)

    Civilian Construction

    [XXX] Additional Habitats (default pop density 600/km^2)(select type)
    -[XXX] Basic Habitats (800 km^2 per invest, fragile, Penalizes Cohesion)

    [X] Wormhole Production (1 cm^2 annually per invest; requires 100,000 pops to work it)

    [X] Civilian ships (select type)
    -[X] Construction Ship (Needs 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 127 invest, 2 million crew; has 5 Industrial Capacity)
    -[X] Construction Ship (Needs 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 127 invest, 2 million crew; has 5 Industrial Capacity)
    -[X] Explorer (Needs 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 11 invest, 1 million crew; has 1 Industrial Capacity)
    -[X] Explorer (Needs 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 11 invest, 1 million crew; has 1 Industrial Capacity)
    -[X] Explorer (Needs 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 11 invest, 1 million crew; has 1 Industrial Capacity)

    [X] Colonize a new star system! (Requires construction ships)
    -[X] Specify general details (Must be in the same galactic region)

    Wrele

    [​IMG] Star Data






    >
    TypeM2 V Red Dwarf
    Radius2.87 x 105 km (0.41 x sol)
    Mass6.53 x 1029 kg (0.33 x sol)
    Temperature3100 K
    Luminosity5.41 x 1024 W (0.01 x sol)

    [​IMG] I






    >
    TypeTerrestrial World
    Orbital Radius1.94 x 107 km (0.13 AU)
    Period7.12 x 102 hours (0.08 earth years)
    PhysicsStandard iron/silicate
    Radius5993.13 km (0.94 x earth)
    Gravity9.34 m/s2 (0.96 x earth)
    Hydrosphere59 % water, 37 % ice
    AtmosphereDense reducing
    SpecialElectromagnetic storms

    [​IMG] II






    >
    TypeRock Planet
    Orbital Radius4.59 x 107 km (0.31 AU)
    Period2.59 x 103 hours (0.30 earth years)
    Radius5032.88 km (0.79 x earth)
    Gravity8.09 m/s2 (0.83 x earth)
    SpecialHeavy volcanism, wreckage of a crashed starship

    [​IMG] III






    >
    TypeAsteroid Belt
    Orbital Radius6.47 x 107 km (0.43 AU)
    Period4.34 x 103 hours (0.50 earth years)

    [​IMG] IV






    >
    TypeIce Planet
    Orbital Radius1.06 x 108 km (0.71 AU)
    Period9.14 x 103 hours (1.05 earth years)
    Radius13090.29 km (2.05 x earth)
    Gravity7.49 m/s2 (0.77 x earth)

    Military Construction
    [X] Warships (Select Type)
    -[X] Half Carrier (Requires 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 21 invest, 10 million crew)
    -[X] Half Carrier (Requires 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 21 invest, 10 million crew)
    -[X] Half Carrier (Requires 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 21 invest, 10 million crew)
    -[X] Carrier (Requires 2 cm^2 wormhole area, 153 invest, 30 million crew)
    -[X] Carrier (Requires 2 cm^2 wormhole area, 153 invest, 30 million crew)
    -[X] Armed Logistics Cruiser (Requires 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 79 invest, 3 million crew)

    The plan is to send these out either with future exploration missions or to tackle whatever totally nonexistent negative consequences would come from not exploring.

    Exploration
    [X] Just the enterprise again.

    Service Crunch Crisis
    [XXX] Automate Vital Services
    Adequate for routine troubles, but for anything complex you really want a person.
     
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  3. DoubleThought

    DoubleThought Getting out there.

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    [x] 25% (Final Industrial Capacity: 1576, Output Invested: 4946)
    We need more industrial capacity before we can get habitats that don't penalise Cohesion

    [xxx] Additional Habitats (default pop density 600/km^2)(select type)
    -[xxx] Basic Habitats (800 km^2 per invest, fragile, Penalizes Cohesion)
    But in the meanwhile, we do need to increase the amount of pop space we have so we have enough services

    [x] Just the Enterprise again.
    I think putting exploration on the back burner isn't unreasonable. We haven't seen anything particularly dangerous, only weird. Keeping an eye out for dangerous stuff is important, but we haven't spotted anything yet.

    [x] Automate Vital Services
    We've got Mad Science! That should make automation better than usual.

    I'll disagree with the idea we should colonise a new star system. We should get our industry and service balanced before more people are sent out into the void to form a new colony.

    Considering the ridiculously low cost of expanding (apparently it's just one construction ship), I think we should. Thus:

    [x] Expand to a new star system (TCGM's plan)
     
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  4. january1may

    january1may Versed in the lewd.

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    For possible clarification, I've added a bunch of parenthetical comments to my (preliminary at this point) vote, including (in the industrial agenda) comments for options I didn't vote for...

    (Note that the single vote for Explorer in particular should not necessarily be taken to mean that we only need one Explorer. Also note that the single-X options are anywhere between "low priority, but this would be very convenient to have" and "this would be useful but maybe not right now", and some of the latter maybe shouldn't have any X at all.)



    First up, how much of your industrial base should be dedicated to growth?
    (Note: Safely operating one unit of Industrial Capacity requires 300,000 population.)
    (Industrial Labor Population: 349.2 mil/653.76 mil)

    [X] 25% (Final Industrial Capacity: 1576, Output Invested: 4946)
    (Hopefully we manage to get enough people to offset that. We might need that industry.)


    Next on the agenda, what do you want to build with your industrial surplus during the next five years?

    Civilian Construction
    [XXX] Additional Habitats (default pop density 600/km^2)(select type)
    -[XXX] Basic Habitats (800 km^2 per invest, fragile, Penalizes Cohesion)
    (We need to do this urgently or things get really bad. I mean, they would still be bad, but without this they would be worse.)

    [XX] Wormhole Production (1 cm^2 annually per invest; requires 100,000 pops to work it)
    (Not as urgent, but extremely useful in the medium term.)

    [XX] Civilian ships (select type)
    -[] Freighter (Needs 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 113 invest, negligible crew)
    (We probably don't need long-distance cargo hauling at this scale at the moment. Is there an option for big Skimmers?)
    -[X] Liner (Needs 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 44 invest, 0.5 million crew)
    (Useful but not urgent. As long as we only have one system, we can probably get away with Skimmers.)
    -[X] Construction Ship (Needs 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 127 invest, 2 million crew; has 5 Industrial Capacity)
    (For constructing... well, all those habs, for starters.)
    -[XX] Explorer (Needs 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 11 invest, 1 million crew; has 1 Industrial Capacity)
    (There's something incredibly weird going on in this galaxy and we want to know exactly what it is.)

    [X] Subsidized Wormhole (Find a natural black hole close to home, entangle it with a tiny one, send the light end elsewhere and pop it open, requires ship time)
    (Useful but not urgent.)
    [Note: I'm not actually sure if we need one at this point. What is that thing for again?]

    [] Colonize a new star system! (Requires construction ships)
    -[] Specify general details (Must be in the same galactic region)
    (We don't really need any more colonization at this moment. Let's establish ourselves within this system first.)

    Military Construction
    [XX] Defense Skimmers (720 per invest)
    (For defending the one star system we have. If anything too big to be fought off with Skimmers shows up, chances are we lose anyway.)

    [X] Space Pocket Munitions Factory (unlocks Artillery Ships, unlocks Warp Torpedoes, needs: 10,000 cm^2 wormhole area, 80 invest, 2 million workers)
    (We don't really need it right now, but it's useful to have for the future. Depends on what the exploration teams find.)

    [X] Warships (Select Type)
    -[] Battleship (Requires 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 7 invest, 4 million crew)
    A solid brick of pure murder, a battleship sacrifices everything for the sake of combat capabilities. However, this comes at the cost of needing constant resupply.
    (We aren't invading anyone at this time. And it's not very convenient in any other context.)


    -[] Battlecruiser (Requires 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 10 invest, 5 million crew)
    While close to a battleship in terms of combat capability, a battlecruiser has some minor compromises for the sake of logistical sustainability.
    (We already have one. We don't need any more at the moment.)


    -[X] Half Carrier (Requires 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 21 invest, 10 million crew)
    A versatile warship that brings a bit of everything to the table, Half-Carriers are well suited to independent operations patrolling the deep space between stars. However, they're much less useful in a major fleet engagement.
    (For defending the immediate vicinity of the one star system we have, supplementing the Defence Skimmers.)


    -[] Carrier (Requires 2 cm^2 wormhole area, 153 invest, 30 million crew)
    Purpose built to carry thousands of Skimmers into a combat theater, Carriers tend to hang back from the immediate line of combat if at all possible.
    (We aren't invading anyone at this time. Any significant combat we're even remotely likely to have would happen, if at all, in our very own system. Or possibly in the exploration mission, which doesn't have any military capabilities anyway.)


    -[] Armed Logistics Cruiser (Requires 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 79 invest, 3 million crew)
    An armed and armored freighter, ALCs are built to be the supply arm of a fleet, but retain the ability to defend themselves if needed. In addition, they also make great invasion ships when loaded with landing Skimmers.
    (We aren't invading anyone at this time. Nor are we building any ships that would need a supply arm.)


    -[] Minelayer (Requires 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 10 invest, 5 million crew)
    Accelerating shrapnel shells to 0.2 c using an ergogun, the shots fired by a Minelayer are an excellent area denial tool.
    (We aren't invading anyone at this time. And even if we were, we do not currently need area denial.)


    -[] Irregular (Requires 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 120 invest, 2 million crew)
    Also known as a pirate ship when in less savory hands, the only feature to recommend an Irregular is its ability to pass for a civilian ship at first glance.
    (We aren't invading anyone at this time. And even if we were, we probably won't be invading anyone who knows what civilian ships look like.)



    Aside from your industrial planning, there's the matter of exploration. The Enterprise came home for a resupply recently, but the question of where else to explore (and what to send) is both still open and really quite important. After all, there's something incredibly weird going on in this galaxy and you want to know exactly what it is.

    To that end, what ships will be sent exploring?

    [X] Just the enterprise again.
    Second score, same as before.
    (There's something incredibly weird going on in this galaxy and we want to know exactly what it is. OTOH, we might need those liners for emergency population capacity.)

    [Note: if the population capacity is no longer relevant, then obviously send the liners too.]


    The last issue on the agenda is what to do about the service sector crunch in the short term; your industrial growth has been amazing, but it's come with some serious troubles due to too much of your population being in industrial jobs at the moment. The long-term solution is of course to get more people and more room for said people, but the question remains of what to do in the meantime.

    [X] Automate Vital Services
    Adequate for routine troubles, but for anything complex you really want a person.
    (All the other choices are clearly even worse. Also, as correctly pointed out, we're good at that sort of thing.)


    [] Write-In
    (Open for good write-ins.)
     
  5. Extras: Votes for Industrial Plan 1
    I Just Write

    I Just Write Plural System of Eight

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    Industrial Plan

    Growth
    -0%: x
    -25%: xx
    -50%: xx
    Averaging to 25%

    Stuff To Build
    Civilian
    -Habitats: xxxxxxxxxxxxx (13)
    -Wormhole Production: xxx (3)
    -Civilian Ships: xxxx (4)
    --Liner: x
    --Freighter: xxx
    --Explorer: xxxxxx
    --Construction Ship: xxxxx
    -Subsidized Wormhole: xx (Not A Budget Demand)

    Military
    -Warships: xxx (3)

    --Carrier: xxx (3)
    --Half-Carrier: xxxxxx (6)
    --Armed Logistics Cruiser: xxxx (4)

    -Defense Skimmer: xx (2)
    -Space Pocket Munitions Factory: x (1)

    Production Results

    Total: 4946
    -Habitats: 13/26 (2473 output)(+1,978,400 square km of habitat)(+1,187,040,000 pops)
    -Wormhole Production: 3/26 (571 output)
    -Civilian Ships: 4/26 (791 output)
    --Liners (1/15)(52/44 invest, one ship completed, excess tasked to highest priority)
    --Freighters (3/15)(158/113 invest, one ship completed, excess tasked to highest priority)
    --Explorers (6/15)(379/11 invest, 34 ships completed)
    --Construction Ships (5/15)(264/127 invest, two ships completed, excess tasked to highest priority)

    -Warships: 3/26 (571 output)
    --(3/13) Carriers (131/153 invest, zero ships completed, production re-tasked)
    --(6/13) Half-Carriers (414/21 invest, 19 ships completed)
    --(4/13) ALCs (177/79 invest, two ships completed, excess re-routed)
    -Defense Skimmers 2/26 (380 output)(+273,600 defense Skimmers of varying types)
    -Space Pocket Munitions Factory 1/26 (190 output)(Munitions Factory structurally complete but nonfunctional; bottlenecked by wormhole production [1146/10000] )

    How it works: Industrial investment allocated proportionately to number of votes for the root-level option. For things like ships or habitats, the allocated budget is then divvied up within the category to decide how much of each type gets built.

    Colonization: Wrele
    Yes: xxx
    Nah: xx

    Exploration
    -Just the Enterprise: xxxxx

    Population Crunch
    -Automation: xxxxxx
    I Just Write rolled 1 die of 100 faces, total: 10
    For: Cohesion Check
    Rolled on: October-14-2021, 11:57am
    10

    I Just Write rolled 1 die of 100 faces, total: 18
    For: Exploration Results
    Rolled on: October-14-2021, 11:58am
    18
     
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  6. Just Some Guy

    Just Some Guy I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Huh a civ quest, hopefully this woud last for a long time.
     
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  7. Threadmarks: Chapter 4a: Meet the neighbors!
    I Just Write

    I Just Write Plural System of Eight

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    Civ sheet updated

    Your industrial buildup has had to slow down a bit so that your population can expand to match, but that's just a case of straightforward necessity. Churning out space habitats en masse has lead to your population more than doubling over the last five customary years.

    Aside from that matter of extreme necessity, some industrial power was tasked to other matters. One of these matters was a respectable ship-building program for both the civilian and military sectors. As a result you now have access to a worthwhile trade, exploration, and combat fleet.

    Other things that happened in the building things regard included the creation of a potentiated subsidized wormhole. You found a suitable black hole less than 500 light years from Journeyman's Lantern, entangled a feedstock singularity to it, and now you've got a wormhole you could open to anywhere you can send a ship.

    The last buildy thing of note was sending your extant construction ship to establish a colony in a nearby star system named Wrele. There's a bit of a service sector crunch over there at the moment, but it's nowhere near as bad as it got in Journeyman's Lantern a while ago.

    Speaking of the service sector crunch, it's... not really big news anymore. Reason being that about a year into the new industrial plan, an unidentified spacecraft about one and a half kilometers in length was spotted skulking around the outskirts of Journeyman's Lantern. A squadron of Skimmers was duly dispatched to investigate, approaching at 0.5c to make sure the new arrival could see them coming.

    This apparently resulted in them being spooked quite badly, making hard burns with a reaction drive of unknown variety (???), transmitting garbled messages you still haven't made sense of before simply vanishing in a fuzz of radio static. Even stranger, the crew aboard the intercepting Skimmers are damn sure that those aboard the unidentified spacecraft weren't hostile, though they don't have any evidence to base that on.

    Subsequent malware sweeps indicate that it was the analog parts of their cognition acting up in downright anomalous ways. The results are pretty clear: this universe has an unknown vector for information transmission, and it has something to do with analog computation. This represents a major security risk, and your scientists are currently trying to figure out how it works.

    Anyway, continuing to talk about the elephant in the room, it's been four years since that first unidentified spacecraft appeared. Now a small fleet of about a hundred ships ranging in size from 500 meters to four kilometers has turned up a couple light hours out, and they're transmitting in radio (though you have no idea what the fuck their transmission standard is; if you had to guess it's designed to be partially based on those anomalous phenomena you don't know how to work with yet).

    You still have no clue what they're actually saying and all the people doing direct talking are fully digital to avoid being a malware vector for the as of yet unknown phenomena involved in comms, but at the very least they seem talkative.

    So, you've got yourselves a non-hostile first contact situation. First on the agenda, how do you want to deal with the fact that the new arrivals are four light hours out? There's a few different options here.

    [] Let them come to you when they're comfy with it. Either that or they'll screw off when they get tired of the standoff.
    [] Send a Skimmer with a comm hole to go talk to them; they've already seen you do this, so they should be a lot less likely to spook this time.
    [] But what if you want to be scary? Skip a couple warships up next to them as a show of force.
    [] Write-In

    Secondly, there's the matter of actually talking to them. You still have no idea how to interpret their transmission standards (and you're guessing them likewise), so this has the potential to be quite troublesome.

    [] flash prime numbers at the- This is stupid.

    [] Try and establish a common transmission standard pidgin-style.
    All of the unknowns' signal traffic so far has been analog, with no sign of digital infosystems.

    [] Give them a package containing television receivers, cameras, and transmitters that work on a standard you know how to use (thoroughly sterilized of course). Then talk through that to figure each other out.
    -[] Analog
    -[] Digital
    All of the unknowns' signal traffic so far has been analog, with no sign of digital infosystems.

    [] Send a small shuttle full of negotiators to the fleet and try to "ask" permission to come aboard one of their ships.

    [] Write-In (Hostile actions are not on the table at this time)

    Anyway, once you've figured out how to talk to them, what are the top priority things you want to talk about?
    This section uses priority voting; mark all boxes of interest, [xxx] = high priority, [xx] = medium priority, [x] = low priority
    [] Their origins
    [] Your origins
    [] Anomalous signals
    [] Technological differences
    [] What they want
    [] Territorial claims
    [] Culture
    [] Other known civilizations
    [] Write-In
     
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  8. january1may

    january1may Versed in the lewd.

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    I suspect that if I knew how the votes were counted I might have worked them out differently. I also didn't expect first contact to happen until at least a few more turns later.


    So, you've got yourselves a non-hostile first contact situation. First on the agenda, how do you want to deal with the fact that the new arrivals are four light hours out? There's a few different options here.

    [] Let them come to you when they're comfy with it. Either that or they'll screw off when they get tired of the standoff.
    (If they're not arriving yet they're probably observing and might never show up.)
    [X] Send a Skimmer with a comm hole to go talk to them; they've already seen you do this, so they should be a lot less likely to spook this time.
    (Hopefully this works.)
    [] But what if you want to be scary? Skip a couple warships up next to them as a show of force.
    (Nope. Definitely nope.)
    [] Write-In
    (Open to good write-ins.)

    [Second piece of the vote is on hold for now because I can't think of anything good, might add it later.]

    Anyway, once you've figured out how to talk to them, what are the top priority things you want to talk about?
    This section uses priority voting; mark all boxes of interest, [xxx] = high priority, [xx] = medium priority, [x] = low priority
    [xx] Their origins
    (Depends on what that means really. "Where's their home system" is far higher priority than foundation myths.)
    [] Your origins
    (Why would you?)
    [x] Anomalous signals
    (Be careful: you might be revealing too much by explaining why the signals look anomalous.)
    [] Technological differences
    (Do you want them to get access to your tech?)
    [xxx] What they want
    (Priority one. Why are they here?)
    [xx] Territorial claims
    (In particular, do the claims include you?)
    [x] Culture
    (Interstellar small talk.)
    [xx] Other known civilizations
    (Mostly to the effect of "do they know any?")
    [xx] Write-In: Their space travel method
    (How the triangular heck did they get here?)
    [] Write-In
    (Open to other good write-in suggestions.)


    ...huh. That's some escalation. Hopefully we survive.

    (Not doing the second bit of the vote at this point because I can't think of a good choice offhand. Maybe later.)
     
  9. mugnter

    mugnter Making the rounds.

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    To be honest, I'm not too worried. their biggest ship is about 4 km in size, our battlecruiser is 4.5 km in diameter and 25! Km in length. I wouldn't be surprised if they mistaken it for a small station insted of the ship it is.
     
  10. DoubleThought

    DoubleThought Getting out there.

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    Who do we send to establish communication?

    [x] Send a Skimmer with a comm hole to go talk to them; they've already seen you do this, so they should be a lot less likely to spook this time.
    Let's go out to meet them. No need to invite them any closer, and let's not scare them by moving the Battlecruiser nearer. In fact, let's just keep the Battlecruiser stationary.


    How do we establish communication?

    [x] Write-In: Use analogue to establish communication, then attempt to transmit a digital encoding format to allow for faster and more lossless data transfer. If they can't use digital, we can stick with analogue TV

    Analogue TV is a very simple format. It shouldn't be too hard to establish communication using that, and it shouldn't be too hard to decode it either. Let's stick with greyscale analogue TV at 30Hz, and AM radio for sound.


    What do we discuss?

    [xxx] Culture
    First and foremost, we need to establish a baseline of culture first and foremost, to avoid shoving our foot in our mouth, or worse, stumbling across a taboo.

    [xxx] What they want
    After making sure we don't accidentally declare war by having digital minds among us, we can start talking shop.

    [xx] Other known civilizations
    Let's avoid stepping into any interstellar wars, if at all possible. And it's probably a good idea to know what they think of the other civilisations, and what they claim other civilisations think of them.

    [xx] Territorial claims
    We ask what their territorial claims are. If they claim the system we're in, tell them "tough luck", because we live here now.

    [x] Anomalous signals
    Let's not go too deep into why they're anomalous, but just note that they aren't there in the galaxy we come from. Oh, did we mention we come from a different galaxy?

    [x] Technological differences
    Why do they use analogue signals? Perhaps we can share the wonders of digital radio.

    [] Their origins
    We don't really need to talk about where they come from. We're already getting a map of the territory, after all.

    [x] Your origins
    We don't need to tell them where we came from, really.
     
  11. I Just Write

    I Just Write Plural System of Eight

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    Z: Hmmm... Had been hoping this section would get more engagement. Should we just get on with it, or should we wait for more people to chime in?
     
  12. january1may

    january1may Versed in the lewd.

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    I'd say wait for a few days; I still can't think of a good answer to the second question (and it's a very important one), and the only other vote is a write-in, so... yeah.
     
  13. mugnter

    mugnter Making the rounds.

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    [x] Send a Skimmer with a comm hole to go talk to them; they've already seen you do this, so they should be a lot less likely to spook this time.
    Let's go out to meet them. No need to invite them any closer, and let's not scare them by moving the Battlecruiser nearer. In fact, let's just keep the Battlecruiser stationary.

    [x] Write-In: Use analogue to establish communication, then attempt to transmit a digital encoding format to allow for faster and more lossless data transfer. If they can't use digital, we can stick with analogue TV


    [xxx] Culture

    [xxx] What they want

    [xx] Other known civilizations

    [xx] Territorial claims

    [x] Anomalous signals

    [x] Technological differences

    [x] Your origins
     
  14. Index: Votes for handling first contact
    I Just Write

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    How to reach them?
    Send a Skimmer: xxx

    How to talk to them?
    Write-In: Analog TV: xx

    What to talk about?
    Their origins: xx
    Your origins: xx
    Anomalous signals: xxx
    Technological differences: xx
    What they want: xxxxxxxxx
    Territorial claims: xxxxxx
    Culture: xxxxxxx
    Other known civilizations: xxxx
    Write-In: Their Space Travel Method: xx

    Priority List:
    1: What They Want
    2: Culture
    3: Territorial Claims
    4: Other Known Civs
    5: Tech/space travel/anomalous signals
    6: Origins
     
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    Been too sick to vote properly but all I really feel the need to mention is that the culture transmission must start with Rick Astley dancing.
     
  16. Threadmarks: Chapter 4b: Initial meetings and Industrial Plans
    I Just Write

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    It takes approximately eight hours for your interface Skimmer to reach the alien fleet. They shift into what's clearly a defensive formation during the approach, but they notably do not either flee or open fire. Similarly, their radiators remain at the dull infrared glow indicative of a power plant operating at a fraction of its normal output. They start to maneuver a bit when the Skimmer comes within a few light minutes, but they largely stop once your Skimmer comes to a halt about a light second out.

    After that, you immediately get to broadcasting an extremely rudimentary transmission standard: monochrome analog TV, 30 Hz frame rate, 600 scan lines of image; AM radio broadcasting at 1.5 MHz for audio.

    What follows is several hours of incomprehensible signals traffic between the alien ships, before finally they transmit their own analog television signal back, though theirs has a 90 Hz framerate, 1000 scan lines of image, and tetrachromat color. Figuring that it would be vastly more convenient to use a standard they evidently already have equipment for you simply switch over to their standard.

    What greets you is a (heavily color-distorted no doubt) image of approximately four aliens crowding around a desk. Rapidly adjusting the color encoding using physics extrapolated from the lighting in the room, you resolve the picture more clearly. They're covered in fur ranging in color from a dark brown to a light tan, each with four eyes and a pair of evidently prehensile tails.

    On your part you make no attempt to hide your diversity; the room where you've got your front-line negotiators are in has one blatant robospider synthmorph, a kitsunoid, a dragon-morph, and an avian. All currently using entirely digital brains at the moment of course.

    On the part of the aliens, they seem to startle when they learn just how fast you swapped to their transmission standard. Which is very interesting, as it seems to imply they aren't quite used to this sort of rapid general-purpose computational capability.

    What follows is several hours of charades and attempting to talk with each other as you try and assemble a common language. There are several missteps along the way, and if anything the sheer speed at which you're picking up how to talk to them is unnerving them more. But you want to get this part over with and they're already a bit spooked, so the massive supercomputer array crunching all this stuff in the background it is.

    Anyway, once you've figured out how to talk to each other, it's time for the mutual barrage of questions about culture, what each of you want, and several other topics.
    Anyway, re(ve)lations aside, that now brings to mind a few major considerations.

    First off, hyperspace/psionics research. This is obviously an absolute must, but there are a few different possible angles to approach it from.

    (A/N: All of these options have some possibility of working, but the odds vary)
    [] Perspective: Metric Engineering (Try and figure out how to distort spacetime to access hyperspace)
    Distorting spacetime is well-understood science, perhaps an extension of that could be used to access hyperspace?

    [] Perspective: Computational (Figure out what computational operations generate psionic effects)
    We already have some lead into the anomalous operations behind psionics; starting there makes sense.

    [] Perspective: Physics (High-Energy Physics Experiments)
    Our models of physics need revisions to account for hyperspace; time to break out the particle accelerators.

    [] Perspective: Unfocused (Try all of the above, but with less resources for each)
    Restricting our inquiries to only a single avenue seems foolish.

    Another important question regards diplomatic contact with the Valindir Republic. You know where they are relative to you and they'd be fairly easy to reach. The catch is that blatantly driving a Voidskipper up onto their lawn would attract a large amount of attention that they'd probably not appreciate. So, how do you want to handle keeping in contact with them?

    [] Let them come to you for now; they're doubtless going to do it eventually.
    You'd rather not, to be honest.

    [] They still haven't quite left yet; ask them to bring a comm hole back with them.
    Though the most covert option for contact, this does divulge the existence of wormhole technology.

    [] Park a half-carrier outside one of their systems and visit via Skimmer.
    Yes it will draw comment, but less than blatantly arriving in a ship larger than some habs.
    [] Fuck it, go drive a Voidskipper up on their front lawn, subtlety can die in a fire.
    There is something to be said for a basic policy of openness.

    [] Write-In

    There's also the matter of the Valindir's neighbors, who... aren't great based on the descriptions you were told. Do you want to contact them at the present time?

    [] No
    Contacting these people is not in our interests at the present time

    [] Covertly (Try and infiltrate them without cluing them in to your existence)
    Some of these people seem horrible. If we could just set off a coup or revolution before talking to them...

    [] Yes
    -[] don't just cruise right up in a Voidskipper
    -[] do just cruise right up in a Voidskipper
    Look, they're going to find out eventually.

    The last major note is the fate of the Enterprise; when initially fitted for exploration, she was simply the only ship available that was even remotely suitable for the job. However now you have an entire fleet of ships purpose-built for the task, leaving the Enterprise rather obsolete in this role. So, what should be the fate of the Enterprise?

    [] Continue exploring
    though the ship is unsuited for the role, Enterprise's crew is the most skilled batch of explorers you've got.

    [] Send the Enterprise back in time (You aren't getting the ship back; crew can return via mindcast)
    This galaxy is incredibly weird. Perhaps inspecting the past up close and personal would be in order?

    All of the following options will transfer the name and crew (shipmind included) of Enterprise to a new Explorer hull.

    [] Recycle the old freighter for parts (+50 industrial output this turn, NOW pair recovered)
    Scrap, I tell ye

    [] Return the hull to cargo service
    Fundamentally, that's still a freighter hull under all the modifications

    [] Preserve the Enterprise as a museum ship (???)
    This ship is of great historical importance to the Wayfarers, both for her role during the migration, and for her subsequent exploration career.

    [] Write-In

    Oh, anything you want to do with that subsidized wormhole you made? You can open the light end of that thing to anywhere you want (after some shipping time) and use it to ship entire solar masses of materials back through.

    [] Don't bother for now.
    Waiting is a perfectly respectable course of action

    [] Trade/Give it to the Valindir
    But why though?

    [] The galactic core
    Close by, convenient, accessible if anything goes wrong

    [] Another Galaxy
    You know, a place to strip mine that isn't full of neighbors could be a neat opportunity

    [] Another Timeline
    The last word in "Don't fuck with my mining operations": putting them in a forked timeline

    Industrial Plan

    Anyway, it's time to decide on the plan for what to make during the next five customary years.

    Primary: Orange Dwarf
    Metallicity: Rich
    Total exploitable mass: 0.86 M☉
    Mass Accessible W/O Starlifting: 0.0008 M☉
    Mass Exploited: Negligible

    Industrial Capacity: 1576
    Wormhole Production: 1776 cm^2 annually, NOW capable.
    Basic Habitat Area: 3,068,000 km^2
    Population: 1,840,800,000

    Employment
    -Industrial: 472,800,000 (26%)
    --Wormhole: 177,600,000 (10%)
    -Military: 210,936,000 (11%)
    -Logistics: 41,500,000 ( 2% )
    -Service Sector: 753,964,000 (41%)
    -Non-Working: ~184,000,000 (10%)
    Primary: Red Dwarf
    Metallicity: Rich
    Total Exploitable Mass: 0.33 M☉
    Mass accessible without starlifting: 0.0005 M☉

    Industrial Capacity: 1
    Wormhole Production: 0
    Basic Habitat Area: 800 km^2
    Population: 480,000

    Employment
    Labor Pool: 432,000
    Industrial: 300,000 (62.5%)
    Service Sector: 132,000 (27.5%)(minor service sector crunch)

    First and foremost, you need to decide growth levels.

    Journeyman's Lantern
    [] 0% (Final Industrial Capacity: 1576, Invested Output: 7880)
    [] 25% (Final Industrial Capacity: 2134, Invested Output: 6696)
    [] 50% (Final Industrial Capacity: 2840, Invested Output: 5056)
    [] 75% (Final Industrial Capacity: 3722, Invested Output: 2793)
    [] 100% (Locked; insufficient pops for new jobs)

    Wrele
    (Error: only one Industrial Capacity!)

    This section uses priority voting; mark all boxes of interest, [xxx] = high priority, [xx] = medium priority, [x] = low priority

    Where should your Construction Ships be allocated?

    [] Journeyman's Lantern
    [] Wrele
    [] New System (Write-In)

    Civilian Construction

    [] Additional Habitats (default pop density 600/km^2)(select type)
    -[] Basic Habitats (800 km^2 per invest, fragile, Penalizes Cohesion)
    -[] Continent-Class Habitats (40 km^2 per invest, minimum cost: 236,000 invest, minimum size: 9.44 mil km^2)
    (Locked, insufficient industrial capacity)
    -[] Planetary-Class Habitats (2 km^2 per invest, fortified, minimum cost: 118 mil invest, minimum size: 236 mil km^2)
    (Locked, insufficient industrial capacity)

    [] Prefabs (Prefabs are a 50/50 mix of Industrial Capacity and Basic Habs by investment, packed up for shipping and assembled on site for 5% the normal construction cost; this overrides any other production in the destination system. Prefabs are automatically produced in your most developed star systems and shipped to your least developed (limited by freight capacity). Prefabs do take one year to assemble after shipping, so you can't assemble literally infinite industrial prefabs.)

    [] Wormhole Production (1 cm^2 annually per invest; requires 100,000 pops to work it)

    [] Civilian ships (select type)
    -[] Freighter (Needs 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 113 invest, negligible crew)
    -[] Liner (Needs 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 44 invest, 0.5 million crew)
    -[] Construction Ship (Needs 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 127 invest, 2 million crew; has 5 Industrial Capacity)
    -[] Explorer (Needs 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 11 invest, 1 million crew; has 1 Industrial Capacity)

    [] Subsidized Wormhole (Find a natural black hole close to home, entangle it with a tiny one, send the light end elsewhere and pop it open, requires ship time)(Locked, you still haven't decided what to do with the one you've got!)


    Military Construction
    [] Defense Skimmers (720 per invest)

    [] Space Pocket Munitions Factory (unlocks Artillery Ships, unlocks Warp Torpedoes, needs: 10,000 cm^2 wormhole area, 80 invest, 2 million workers)

    [] Warships (Select Type)
    -[] Battleship (Requires 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 7 invest, 4 million crew)
    --[] Include Warp Torpedoes (Locked, Requires Space Pocket Munitions Factory)
    A solid brick of pure murder, a battleship sacrifices everything for the sake of combat capabilities. However, this comes at the cost of needing constant resupply.

    -[] Battlecruiser (Requires 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 10 invest, 5 million crew)
    --[] Include Warp Torpedoes (Locked, Requires Space Pocket Munitions Factory)
    While close to a battleship in terms of combat capability, a battlecruiser has some minor compromises for the sake of logistical sustainability.

    -[] Half Carrier (Requires 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 21 invest, 10 million crew)
    --[] Include Warp Torpedoes (Locked, Requires Space Pocket Munitions Factory)
    A versatile warship that brings a bit of everything to the table, Half-Carriers are well suited to independent operations patrolling the deep space between stars. However, they're much less useful in a major fleet engagement.

    -[] Carrier (Requires 2 cm^2 wormhole area, 153 invest, 30 million crew)
    --[] Include Warp Torpedoes (Locked, Requires Space Pocket Munitions Factory)
    Purpose built to carry thousands of Skimmers into a combat theater, Carriers tend to hang back from the immediate line of combat if at all possible.

    -[] Armed Logistics Cruiser (Requires 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 79 invest, 3 million crew)
    An armed and armored freighter, ALCs are built to be the supply arm of a fleet, but retain the ability to defend themselves if needed. In addition, they also make great invasion ships when loaded with landing Skimmers.

    -[] Minelayer (Requires 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 10 invest, 5 million crew)
    Accelerating shrapnel shells to 0.2 c using an ergogun, the shots fired by a Minelayer are an excellent area denial tool.

    -[] Artillery Ship (Locked, Requires Space Pocket Munitions Factory)
    A weapon that flies faster than time, the miniaturized skip gates aboard these ships can launch a truly devastating payload across the battlespace in an instant if not interdicted.

    -[] Irregular (Requires 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 120 invest, 2 million crew)
    Also known as a pirate ship when in less savory hands, the only feature to recommend an Irregular is its ability to pass for a civilian ship at first glance.
     
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    DoubleThought Getting out there.

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    [x] Perspective: Unfocused (Try all of the above, but with less resources for each)
    -[x] Preferably with a bit of extra focus on computational perspective
    We should explore all possibilities. Any one of the three options might work, and we don't want to over invest on the wrong one. But let's focus a bit on the computational perspective. We're pretty good at that, after all.

    [x] Let them come to you for now; they're doubtless going to do it eventually.
    All the other options use up valuable resources. I think our defensive force is probably currently sufficient, but giving up a half-carrier or a costly Voidskipper would be too expensive given our current lack of industrial output. And I do mean a lack of industrial output: we need to improve our industry until we can start making habitats that don't incur a cohesion cost.

    [x] Covertly (Try and infiltrate them without cluing them in to your existence)
    More intel is good.

    [x] Preserve the Enterprise as a museum ship (???)
    -[x] Write-in: Send some other ship back in time
    I suspect this might give a cohesion bonus later on, which we'll need because our current habitats incur cohesion costs. We have only one Enterprise, but we have many ships, so we could send those back in time.

    [x] Another Galaxy
    Loads of mining, hopefully no hostile neighbours, and an escape route.


    Growth levels:
    Journeyman's Lantern
    [x] 75% (Final Industrial Capacity: 3722, Invested Output: 2793)
    Exponential growth is good.

    Construction ship allocation:
    [xxx] Wrele
    [xx] Journeyman's Lantern

    We need Wrele up and running. Exponential growth is good.

    [xxx] Additional Habitats (default pop density 600/km^2)(select type)
    -[xxx] Basic Habitats (800 km^2 per invest, fragile, Penalizes Cohesion)

    More people means more minds to help control our industry.

    [xx] Prefabs
    Exponential growth is really good.

    Honestly, we may have made a mistake colonising Wrele. We should focus on improving what we have (for exponential growth). In a Starcraft 2 analogy, we haven't saturated our mineral lines yet, so we shouldn't be considering making a second command centre.

    [x] Space Pocket Munitions Factory (unlocks Artillery Ships, unlocks Warp Torpedoes, needs: 10,000 cm^2 wormhole area, 80 invest, 2 million workers)
    Tech up. But this would take quite some time to complete, I think.
     
  18. TCGM

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    Oh neat! Nice aliens have shown up!

    They are surrounded on four sides by countries with vastly more resources than them and a severe ideological mismatch.
    ...

    Oh gods it gets even worse!

    They don't have any particularly strong ideological foundations aside from taking care of their people​

    AND THE NEIGHBORS HAVE IDEOLOGICAL DIFFERENCES TO THIS?!

    reads the lowdown on the nearby nations


    .....

    GENERAL QUARTERS! RAISE THE MAINSAILS AND CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PYLONS AND CARRIERS! TIME TO GO FOR MASSIVE WAR SPIN-UP!

    [​IMG]

    War footing, right now


    Now on another topic before I vote, how do we get more industrial capacity to Wrele?
     
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  19. DoubleThought

    DoubleThought Getting out there.

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    We can build more construction ships and send them to Wrele (+5 industrial capacity each), or we can build prefabs and send them to Wrele.

    Also, I agree, we do need to get on war footing. Many of those aliens will not be friendly. Of course, we're assuming that these aliens are telling the truth about them, but that's what our independent verification (via infiltration) is for.
     
  20. I Just Write

    I Just Write Plural System of Eight

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    Z: Not to kibitz, but using construction ships to assemble prefabs is an option.
     
  21. TCGM

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    Right so, I have plans. Let's get down to them.

    Research Plan Hype Train
    Instead of doing an unfocused research, we're gonna focus. On all three at the same time, but with different levels of ferocity!

    [X] Perspective: Unfocused (Try all of the above, but with less resources for each)
    Restricting our inquiries to only a single avenue seems foolish.
    -[X] Perspective: Metric Engineering (Try and figure out how to distort spacetime to access hyperspace)
    -[XX] Perspective: Computational (Figure out what computational operations generate psionic effects)
    -[XXX] Perspective: Physics (High-Energy Physics Experiments)

    Diplomacy Plan Snuggles
    We must deploy strategic hug procedures at once! But not too close, these aliens don't know about the true power of hugs yet.
    [X] Park a half-carrier outside one of their systems and visit via Skimmer.

    Poking Plan Fuck It, Let's Do It Live
    We have Alien Space Britain, Alien Space United States, Alien Space North Korea, and Alien Space China, all of whom are potential threats and may or may not know we exist yet.

    Time to make them aware of that fact.

    Do you want to contact them at the present time?
    [X] Yes
    -[X] do just cruise right up in a Voidskipper
    Specifically, a whole fleet of them. Dispatch eight half-carriers north of the Galactic Disk. Each set of two makes another hop to a different cluster of nearby asteroid-bearing systems and tows some resource rich ones into their cargo holds. After that, another jump above the Disk, then each Half-Carrier should jump into the home systems of each of these four nations. Once they find out how far from the home planet of these nations they have to be to release the asteroids into a stable, non-decaying orbit, do that. Then proceed with hailing and diplomatic relations, saying that we thought we would bring some presents for our new neighbors! Just don't tell them where our houses are quite yet.

    I want to demonstrate to these empires that we have undetectable forms of FTL, and the resource rich asteroids we've towed into orbit of their home planets for them to mine could very easily not be put into stable orbits. We don't want to scare the people of these nations. Just their leaders. Being unsubtle with our arrival and carrot offerings while keeping the threats non obvious accomplishes this.

    Also, we need to spread word of the multiple FTL capable battleships we have above and below the Galactic Disk in dark mode which defend the whole galaxy from the things waiting out there. Best case they believe us and don't poke the galactic defender; worst case they don't believe that there's things but they do believe the battleships are waiting in case they do anything unwise to our systems.

    Interior Plan Enterprise's D...esire To Be Admired
    The Enterprise-A has served us well. We shall retire her with honors to be viewed and continue to inspire generations to come.

    [X] Preserve the Enterprise as a museum ship (???)

    [X] Write-In
    -[X] Explore Everything. We have over thirty Explorers. Time to go where no human has gone before. Send 5 Explorers to every quadrant of our new Galaxy to map the stars.

    As for the Wormhole we captured, I would support putting it in another timeline, but we don't know if the alien nations nearby us have any way to detect what we're doing and learn from it with their psionics and hyperspace bullshit. Until we know for sure they either already know about time travel and have written it off, or have no way to figure out how to do it from us, we aren't touching that except in the greatest of emergencies.

    [X] Another Galaxy


    Construction Plan Neumann
    We need to split up our construction ships. We should have enough after the ones we built earlier, but just in case, I've listed construction ship allocation by priority.

    [XXX] Journeyman's Lantern
    -[XXX] Basic Habitats (800 km^2 per invest, fragile, Penalizes Cohesion)
    -[XX] Prefabs

    [XX] Wrele
    -[XXX] Basic Habitats (800 km^2 per invest, fragile, Penalizes Cohesion)

    [X] New System
    - [X] Kroki

    Kroki

    [​IMG] Star Data






    >
    TypeK4 V Orange Main Sequence
    Radius5.97 x 105 km (0.86 x sol)
    Mass1.38 x 1030 kg (0.69 x sol)
    Temperature4300 K
    Luminosity8.67 x 1025 W (0.23 x sol)

    [​IMG] I






    >
    TypeRock Planet
    Orbital Radius5.33 x 107 km (0.36 AU)
    Period2.23 x 103 hours (0.26 earth years)
    Radius3398.26 km (0.53 x earth)
    Gravity4.99 m/s2 (0.51 x earth)
    SpecialTrace atmosphere

    [​IMG] Kroki II






    >
    TypeTerrestrial World
    Orbital Radius8.90 x 107 km (0.60 AU)
    Period4.82 x 103 hours (0.55 earth years)
    PhysicsLarge iron/silicate
    Radius8750.80 km (1.37 x earth)
    Gravity13.88 m/s2 (1.42 x earth)
    Hydrosphere52 % water, 51 % ice
    AtmosphereStandard breathable
    BiosphereProkaryotic microbes
    CivilizationColony
    SpecialPlanetary rings, ruins of an ancient civilization

    [​IMG] III






    >
    TypeRock Planet
    Orbital Radius1.57 x 108 km (1.05 AU)
    Period1.13 x 104 hours (1.30 earth years)
    Radius8679.56 km (1.36 x earth)
    Gravity13.39 m/s2 (1.37 x earth)
    SpecialAdvanced alien artifact

    [​IMG] IV






    >
    TypeRock Planet
    Orbital Radius2.82 x 108 km (1.88 AU)
    Period2.71 x 104 hours (3.10 earth years)
    Radius8599.28 km (1.35 x earth)
    Gravity12.29 m/s2 (1.26 x earth)

    [​IMG] V






    >
    TypeIce Planet
    Orbital Radius4.93 x 108 km (3.30 AU)
    Period6.29 x 104 hours (7.20 earth years)
    Radius29496.27 km (4.63 x earth)
    Gravity17.26 m/s2 (1.76 x earth)
    SpecialWreckage of a crashed starship

    [​IMG] VI






    >
    TypeIce Planet
    Orbital Radius8.72 x 108 km (5.83 AU)
    Period1.48 x 105 hours (16.92 earth years)
    Radius27865.09 km (4.37 x earth)
    Gravity15.48 m/s2 (1.58 x earth)

    [​IMG] VII






    >
    TypeIce Planet
    Orbital Radius1.84 x 109 km (12.28 AU)
    Period4.52 x 105 hours (51.73 earth years)
    Radius13422.06 km (2.11 x earth)
    Gravity6.04 m/s2 (0.62 x earth)
    SpecialLarge moon

    [​IMG] VIII






    >
    TypeIce Planet
    Orbital Radius3.60 x 109 km (24.04 AU)
    Period1.24 x 106 hours (141.68 earth years)
    Radius9042.21 km (1.42 x earth)
    Gravity4.98 m/s2 (0.51 x earth)

    [​IMG] IX






    >
    TypeIce Planet
    Orbital Radius6.96 x 109 km (46.55 AU)
    Period3.34 x 106 hours (381.71 earth years)
    Radius13660.81 km (2.14 x earth)
    Gravity7.25 m/s2 (0.74 x earth)

    [​IMG] X






    >
    TypeIce Planet
    Orbital Radius1.41 x 1010 km (94.31 AU)
    Period9.62 x 106 hours (1100.63 earth years)
    Radius14143.76 km (2.22 x earth)
    Gravity6.79 m/s2 (0.69 x earth)
    SpecialPlanetary rings

    [​IMG] XI






    >
    TypeIce Planet
    Orbital Radius2.79 x 1010 km (186.23 AU)
    Period2.67 x 107 hours (3054.03 earth years)
    Radius14172.38 km (2.22 x earth)
    Gravity7.80 m/s2 (0.80 x earth)
    SpecialElectromagnetic storms

    [​IMG] Distant Companion






    >
    TypeM5 V Red Dwarf
    Distance9.83 x 1010 km (657.40 AU)
    Radius2.45 x 105 km (0.35 x sol)
    Mass4.06 x 1029 kg (0.20 x sol)
    Temperature2600 K
    Luminosity1.95 x 1024 W (0.01 x sol)


    Industrial Plan Furry
    Time for more expansion!

    Journeyman's Lantern
    [X] 75% (Final Industrial Capacity: 3722, Invested Output: 2793)

    [X] Wormhole Production (1 cm^2 annually per invest; requires 100,000 pops to work it)
    [XXX] Civilian ships (select type)
    -[XXX] Construction Ship (Needs 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 127 invest, 2 million crew; has 5 Industrial Capacity)

    Military Plan Escalation
    We need to be on a war footing yesterday, as our new neighbors are supermajorly big fucking problems.

    [X] Space Pocket Munitions Factory (unlocks Artillery Ships, unlocks Warp Torpedoes, needs: 10,000 cm^2 wormhole area, 80 invest, 2 million workers)
    [X] Warships (Select Type)
    -[XXX] Battleship (Requires 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 7 invest, 4 million crew)
    -[XX] Half Carrier (Requires 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 21 invest, 10 million crew)
    -[X] Battlecruiser (Requires 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 10 invest, 5 million crew)
    -[X] Carrier (Requires 2 cm^2 wormhole area, 153 invest, 30 million crew)
    -[X] Armed Logistics Cruiser (Requires 1 cm^2 wormhole area, 79 invest, 3 million crew)

    So that we actually can put them in the dark space above and below the galaxy as we told the alien nations we already had in Fuck It, Let's Do It Live. Also we need a massive amount of military buildup in case one of the nations decides to do something stupid anyways.
     
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  22. I Just Write

    I Just Write Plural System of Eight

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    Z: The only correction is that the way we handle it you don't specify the exact number of ships built for each type; civilian ships or warships (as categories) each get a chunk of the budget as appropriate for their priority level, then the expenditure is divvied up within those categories based on the priorities put on the sub-votes.
     
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