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Thanks for posting those quotes from Mathematica in @Savestate's thread! I started reading it tonight.
I just read the bit about the Patience game and describing shapes to people who don't have any concept of them. It's bad! It's failing to account for the fact that block puzzles aren't made of abstract 2d shapes. These hypothetical people are going to use the method he described on a triangle block and go "Point, point, point, point. Hmm, must be a 'square.'" And then, if it doesn't just go in the square hole, it will simply not work! Either way, they will not grasp the important intuition about shapes! It is a good example of how hard to teach mathematical concepts are, but it's just so ugh.
He could have attempted to describe a technique for orienting the blocks. For instance, press your palms together. That tactile sensation where they meet is flat, and your palms are parallel. (insert 2k words on the definition of 'parallel") In order to get meaningful shape measurements, you start by finding the two flat sides which are parallel by holding it between your palms. Then transfer it to one hand, with the thumb on one of the parallel faces and the fingers on the other. Use your freed hand to measure the signature of the block.
I definitely get why he wouldn't have included the extra stuff even if an editor pointed it out, but goddamn does it bug me.
It's funny that annoyance gets me to make a thread where sincere enjoyment of the book didn't. I really like Bessis' writing.
Early on, when he prompted me to think about getting a straight line to intersect with a circle in three places, I played with it for a while. I thought about a spherical geometry, and tried to get a straight line to intersect with a circle by spiraling around, before I realized that that's not right. My mental image of the spiraling line first expanded to cover all of the 2d spherical geometry, then abruptly collapsed into a circle. A straight line in a spherical geometry is just a great circle! I did get the last laugh, though! I can get a straight line to intersect a circle infinitely many times if it's in a spherical geometry! It's the same circle!
I kept coming back to that experience as I read the book. It's a great toy example of the kind of mental images he's talking about. Much of the book hit harder with that experience so close to hand. Grothendieck's bit about just getting hands on with the mental objects and seeing what happens in particular.
I certainly wouldn't call myself a great mathematician. I did study enough math that I've gotta know a least a bit, though. As I read the book, I kept going "Yeah, that's like the time I did that one thing!" I feel like I blindly stumbled into a lot of useful intuitions, and also missed a bunch of opportunities to learn better.
I remember this time just before eighth grade astronomy, where I was looking a poster with some differential equation for orbital mechanics. I applied the rules of pre-calc simplification. Of course, in pre-calc all the variables are x and y, rather than things with subscripts, so I just treated the subscripts as plain numbers! I also canceled out all the d's and δ's because clearly that's the same variable, right? I showed this to a classmate, who was sure what I did was wrong, but could not explain it to me before class. That was a missed opportunity. I could have learned about subscripts and operators, about the notation of physics. On the other hand, the thing I came up with bore a striking resemblance to a unit analysis. I had canceled the d's, which left time in the denominator. I don't still have that piece of paper, but it would be fun to see how I went wrong and how close I was to something worth thinking about further!
Anyway, I want to get back to reading the book.
Thanks for posting those quotes from Mathematica in @Savestate's thread! I started reading it tonight.
I just read the bit about the Patience game and describing shapes to people who don't have any concept of them. It's bad! It's failing to account for the fact that block puzzles aren't made of abstract 2d shapes. These hypothetical people are going to use the method he described on a triangle block and go "Point, point, point, point. Hmm, must be a 'square.'" And then, if it doesn't just go in the square hole, it will simply not work! Either way, they will not grasp the important intuition about shapes! It is a good example of how hard to teach mathematical concepts are, but it's just so ugh.
He could have attempted to describe a technique for orienting the blocks. For instance, press your palms together. That tactile sensation where they meet is flat, and your palms are parallel. (insert 2k words on the definition of 'parallel") In order to get meaningful shape measurements, you start by finding the two flat sides which are parallel by holding it between your palms. Then transfer it to one hand, with the thumb on one of the parallel faces and the fingers on the other. Use your freed hand to measure the signature of the block.
I definitely get why he wouldn't have included the extra stuff even if an editor pointed it out, but goddamn does it bug me.
It's funny that annoyance gets me to make a thread where sincere enjoyment of the book didn't. I really like Bessis' writing.
Early on, when he prompted me to think about getting a straight line to intersect with a circle in three places, I played with it for a while. I thought about a spherical geometry, and tried to get a straight line to intersect with a circle by spiraling around, before I realized that that's not right. My mental image of the spiraling line first expanded to cover all of the 2d spherical geometry, then abruptly collapsed into a circle. A straight line in a spherical geometry is just a great circle! I did get the last laugh, though! I can get a straight line to intersect a circle infinitely many times if it's in a spherical geometry! It's the same circle!
I kept coming back to that experience as I read the book. It's a great toy example of the kind of mental images he's talking about. Much of the book hit harder with that experience so close to hand. Grothendieck's bit about just getting hands on with the mental objects and seeing what happens in particular.
I certainly wouldn't call myself a great mathematician. I did study enough math that I've gotta know a least a bit, though. As I read the book, I kept going "Yeah, that's like the time I did that one thing!" I feel like I blindly stumbled into a lot of useful intuitions, and also missed a bunch of opportunities to learn better.
I remember this time just before eighth grade astronomy, where I was looking a poster with some differential equation for orbital mechanics. I applied the rules of pre-calc simplification. Of course, in pre-calc all the variables are x and y, rather than things with subscripts, so I just treated the subscripts as plain numbers! I also canceled out all the d's and δ's because clearly that's the same variable, right? I showed this to a classmate, who was sure what I did was wrong, but could not explain it to me before class. That was a missed opportunity. I could have learned about subscripts and operators, about the notation of physics. On the other hand, the thing I came up with bore a striking resemblance to a unit analysis. I had canceled the d's, which left time in the denominator. I don't still have that piece of paper, but it would be fun to see how I went wrong and how close I was to something worth thinking about further!
Anyway, I want to get back to reading the book.
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