Penalty for not disclosing ai work

[Lady Naga]

I've tagged all my fics as human-written so instead of doing that, only read fics with the human-written tag. Just filter for it, and ask other authors who are human-written to tag their works.

 

[Malcolm Tent]

So I am just supposed to waste my previous time reading ai slop when I can read some authentic work?

Also, witch hunt is both bad and sounds bad. I am taking about enforcing rules so that people don't waste their time.

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You can't enforce AI tags because you can't reliably determine what IS AI. AI detectors are bullshit, so it IS a witch hunt, because any accusation boils down to 'I think this real hard'. Wanting to penalize people for things you can't prove is the LITERAL definition of a witch hunt lol.

 

[Nyaa]

What is this slop you ask? Pick a popular writing prompt, tag, and/or fandom, you'll find people to call it such. Worm, RWBY, CYOA, Waifu Catalogue, Celestial ___, Incest, Loli/Shotacon, etc, etc...

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>kink shaming

 

[ZacSunTiBidea]

Fundamentally, the AI hate in story creation fields comes from not understanding how stories work. Not understanding the beating heart of the muse that brings life into stories.

Because as you develop that understanding, that intimate relation with Art, you realize that hating AI for making the stories bad is like blaming a soggy carpet for the flood.

Any writer ever that genuinely loves the art of the story is going to develop the skills of the art as a natural byproduct of loving the art. That is simply built in to what it is to love art.

A writer handed a tool to make part of the learning curve easier is going to pick it up and bother to learn how to use it. Whether that be AI, Writing guidebooks, Literature classes, ink so that they don't have to memorize the entire poem or saga, or the concept of writing in the first place.

Sure, advise individual authors about the known habit holes we're spotting around AI usage. Sure, personally scorn anyone using it openly if you aren't articulate enough to help them. Sure, act like someone who just hates reading but thinks they have to like it.

But the answer is not going to ever be found in screaming at the tool. If you love reading, act like it and foster writers. If you love writing, act like and foster readers.

If you're not here because you love something here that you can foster, why are you here instead of fostering your own growth in something you love?

 

[Minimorrigu]

Fundamentally, the AI hate in story creation fields comes from not understanding how stories work

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That is a hell of a take, considering you don't actually explain it any further.

writer handed a tool to make part of the learning curve easier is going to pick it up and bother to learn how to use it.

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But the answer is not going to ever be found in screaming at the tool

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This is honestly wishful thinking at its worst. It totally ignores any other possibility other than one you have decided exists. Some will pick it up as a tool to help learn. Others will use it with no intention of learning just to churn out all they can. Others still will find other uses for it, like flooding question threads with nonsensical replies just to be an ass.

As for not screaming at the tool, a nuclear bomb is a tool. Nuclear proliferation treaties did a reasonably good job stopping us from having to live in a radioactive hellhole. Hyperbole? Perhaps but the point is that some tools are, in and of themselves, a problem.

 

[FTR2017]

You find a work that suddenly turns to AI-gen crap that isn't edited?

Provide a scathing constructive criticism that also warns any future readers that the lazy fuck in question didn't even bother editing and polishing the abortion they posted, that their whatever number of early chapters did have work put unto them, but the rest was left untouched as the deceitful failures that they are.

That's within rules, as they're being lazy shits coasting on their AI abortion generator.

Shame them then block them and their thread if you're feeling that strong about it.

Otherwise? Either start a thread listing such treacherous finds for others to chip in--with evidence of lack of edits, to back your claims--or just put their thread on ignore. It's easy and gratifying to do!

I've put several on ignore already!

 

[Lady Naga]

I am not pro-AI, but there are rules you need to follow. I strongly recommend you start webrings of authors you trust, talk about dropping stories you disliked, and participating in the writing community so that you can find like minded people who will help recommend fiction you enjoy. You are asking volunteers to do your job as a fan. The fiction is free, because it's free, it's your job to find art you enjoy.

 

[Billbo baggins]

I propose someone puts up an AI written prompt. You can go in there put up stories that have been verified or believed to be written with AI to allow others to see this. I don't believe there is any rules against that and it could help people either find what they are looking for or steer away from what they dislike.

 

[Minimorrigu]

I am not pro-AI, but there are rules you need to follow. I strongly recommend you start webrings of authors you trust, talk about dropping stories you disliked, and participating in the writing community so that you can find like minded people who will help recommend fiction you enjoy. You are asking volunteers to do your job as a fan. The fiction is free, because it's free, it's your job to find art you enjoy.

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This is honestly good advice even disregarding the AI issue. It just helps you find good stories that you like.

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Therein lies the problem. If it isn't, and the author gets dragged through the mud because someone incorrectly labelled their work through AI, thats a problem. You can label it as bad writing because that's an argument with nuance, but labelling AI is either right or wrong and it does damage when you guess incorrectly.

Given the amount of legitimate artists bullied off of platfroms during the initial waves of anti AI sentiment, im not keen to see that repeated here.

 

[magic9mushroom]

It honestly depresses me sometimes to see how many people are chomping at the bit to absolutely fucking ruin some poor, new writer's day because they wrote in a way that someone decided was Ai and then that person argued a bunch of other people around. Seriously, I don't know why this is so hard. We don't want witch hunts. I know QQ prides itself on being more free than a lot of other forums, but there's a difference between ''free'' and ''this is the wild west where we go after someone if we don't like their looks.''

As a writer who has never used AI and never will, that is doing more harm than help and I don't really care if slightly inconveniencing you is the price for not treating new writers as criminals ready to be tossed out of the forum or hounded down at the first possible hint that they might be using AI from a detector that doesn't even have a high success rate.

I apologise for being so blunt, but this is what, the third, fourth time this has come up here? People act as if the detectors are actually worth a damn and are totally willing and ready to throw people to the wolves in the name of something that can barely hit 50% on a good day.

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I would like to propose some kind of punishment for people trying to start witch hunts at this point. It's been months since it really kicked off, and it's incredibly annoying. Please, just any kind of rule getting these types of people to stop.

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The reason there are witch-hunts is because there are a whole pile of witches fucking us all over.

Let's be clear here, people who claim their writing isn't AI when it is, and use that to get donations? Those people are literal fraudsters breaking the law. It is not unreasonable to hate being defrauded and to want to have less of it.

The problem is specifically that QQ doesn't have any way to actually catch the fraudsters, so the demands to Do Something aren't productive because there's nothing QQ can Do*. But punishing people for asking is unfair.

*Enforcing that companies keep a register of all the text their AIs generate, that people can have suspect text compared to, would help somewhat (it'd at least force them into using open-source models). Banning neural nets worldwide is the only way to wipe it out completely, though. Of course, you need to talk to politicians for that, not QQ mods.

 

[Savinkov]

And another inquisition attempt is blocked.

 

[Avernus]

The reason there are witch-hunts is because there are a whole pile of witches fucking us all over.

Let's be clear here, people who claim their writing isn't AI when it is, and use that to get donations? Those people are literal fraudsters breaking the law. It is not unreasonable to hate being defrauded and to want to have less of it.

The problem is specifically that QQ doesn't have any way to actually catch the fraudsters, so the demands to Do Something aren't productive because there's nothing QQ can Do*. But punishing people for asking is unfair.

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This. AI fakery - and not just of writing - is a problem our society needs to solve. But it's not the job of QQ to do it, and it lacks the ability to do so even if it tried.

And another inquisition attempt is blocked.

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More "watching the slow destruction of the forum because nobody here has the ability to stop it".

 

[Minimorrigu]

Let's be clear here, people who claim their writing isn't AI when it is, and use that to get donations? Those people are literal fraudsters breaking the law. It is not unreasonable to hate being defrauded and to want to have less of it.

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This. AI fakery - and not just of writing - is a problem our society needs to solve.

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So you'll deliberately ruin people who are totally innocent to get to them? Every time an argument like this happens, this is what people jump to and spare not a single thought for the obvious issue that will come up when you go in guns blazing. Someone defrauding a critical service? cut people off for the slightest provocation. problem solved (except, it actually isn't). The fact that some/most people genuinely needed it and the suspicion was wrong? *shrug* "if they die, they die," to paraphrase the Rocky movies.

This reasoning is absolutely fucked, it is not a valid solution to the problem. Its an emotionalist response to a feeling of being injured, an attempt to assuage personal ego and nothing more.

"watching the slow destruction of the forum because nobody here has the ability to stop it".

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And this is pure hyperbole.

 

[Avernus]

So you'll deliberately ruin people who are totally innocent to get to them?

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And where did I say that? I said that there was nothing that can be done by QQ.

Either society at large will solve the problem, or it will collapse; probably the former. But it won't be QQ that solves the problem.