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Starwars discussion thread

Discussion in 'General' started by OverReactionGuy, May 15, 2017.

  1. OverReactionGuy

    OverReactionGuy The only Sane one left

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    Because I didn't see one not for fic recs and stuff, I made it myself. Discuss about starwars here. If I missed an actual thread for this I'll ask for it to be locked though and just move to the old one.

    Anywho.

    Apparently there is life that don't have force and was a major plot point in the extended universe before it was made non canon. Forgot what the race was though.
     
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  2. vyor

    vyor Oh that's cute

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    Yup, and there are those things that cut you off from the force too.
     
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  3. OverReactionGuy

    OverReactionGuy The only Sane one left

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    Yep.

    Anyway I'm wondering if I should get this thread locked because I found the starwars discussion thread that isn't this one. Or I guess this one can be moved to the rants thread and renamed to Starwars rant thread or something.

    Here's a link tot he other discussion thread that's been talking about rogue one currently.

    https://forum.questionablequesting.com/threads/star-wars-spoilers-allowed-so-beware.2713/

    Like in march or something. So a month ago.

    -edit-

    I should probably stop doing things when I'm basically asleep when I'm awake.
     
  4. MadGreenSon

    MadGreenSon Verified Devil Tiger

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    The Yuuzhan Vong and the ysalimiri are both part of the Force. The ysalimiri can even be sensed in the Force when they die. The Yuuzhan Vong, on the other hand, were artificially separated from conventional uses of it by the living planet that was formerly at the center of their culture. The Vong's separation from conventional Force channels could be worked around once the adept in question either learned how, or had artificial assistance. This was done because apparently, in their natural state, the Yuuzhan Vong were Force sensitive as all hell and it was their punishment.

    The ysalimiri are a more interesting case, in that they were prey for a predator that hunted using the Force, so they evolved the ability to muffle Force senses and such as a defense because they were sessile and couldn't avoid predators any other way. The ysalimiri use the Force constantly.
     
  5. vyor

    vyor Oh that's cute

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    Ok.

    The main character of KOTOR2 is a hole in the force, it was ripped from them.
     
  6. OverReactionGuy

    OverReactionGuy The only Sane one left

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    That was reconned actually in the MMO. Or she at least got her force powers back.

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    Bioware didn't like her special awesomeness compared to Revan.
     
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  7. vyor

    vyor Oh that's cute

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    ...
    then how did she survive nihilus???
     
  8. MadGreenSon

    MadGreenSon Verified Devil Tiger

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    Was she actually without the Force, or was her connection screwed up? Because recall a lot of Force use by the main character in that game. A lot of the exposition on what exactly was up with the Exile was suspect once it was revealed to have come from a less than reliable source.
    Chosen One effect.
     
  9. vyor

    vyor Oh that's cute

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    She was a wound in the force and did something with the force she eat from others when they died that allowed her to use powers.
     
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  10. MadGreenSon

    MadGreenSon Verified Devil Tiger

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    Even if what Traya said was 100% accurate, which I doubt, it's still not nearly the same thing as being totally without the Force. It's a deeply fucked up way of connecting with it, but a wound is still part of something. It's just not a good part.
     
  11. Iandude0

    Iandude0 Versed in the lewd.

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    She was a hole in the force. She's basically a saner version of nihlus who didn't want to destroy the universe.

    Her ability to use the force was because those she worked with would have their own connection to the force wrapped around the hole she represented in the force sorta like a black hole drags mass.

    And Kreia is not the only one to call her such. If you gather the Jedi Council in game they basically say that and admit that because of what you as you need to be stripped of the force.
     
  12. MadGreenSon

    MadGreenSon Verified Devil Tiger

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    My point is that whatever the screwed up way of doing it was, she was still interacting with the Force actively and could both effect and be effected by it.
     
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  13. vyor

    vyor Oh that's cute

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    ...
    A hole in a bucket affects the water in the bucket, that doesn't mean that the hole is a part of the bucket.
     
  14. MadGreenSon

    MadGreenSon Verified Devil Tiger

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    The Exile and Nihlus interacted with the Force far more than just being a "hole".
     
  15. vyor

    vyor Oh that's cute

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    That's how they were described.
     
  16. MadGreenSon

    MadGreenSon Verified Devil Tiger

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    Yes. The description lacked a bit of nuance and didn't match what we saw, which is why I tend to think about it rather than accepting it at face value.
     
  17. OverReactionGuy

    OverReactionGuy The only Sane one left

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    Huh, guess Meetra was unreconed as a wound in the force. Ish.

    She severed her connection tot he force but the wound in the force that the planet Malch whatever became surrounded her even though she was deaden to the force. She then proceeds to get her connection back to the force and through that hole she became a mary sue that can instantly learn force techniques and lightsaber styles masters spent years honing.

    Or something. Pretty much the same in that rather cut on content game.

    When she first came out in the MMO everyone was in an outrage about her though due to said retcon... so the wiki may or may not be accurate or something. Or they went and fixed things. -shrugs-

    Here's Meetra and what people have been talking about with the whole wound in the force thing.

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Meetra_Surik

    The hilarious thing about it is, she's like original commander Shepard. She literally talked an enemy(Darth Scion) into committing suicide.
     
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  18. Space Penguin

    Space Penguin Boring person

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    From my understanding her whole thing was like the in-universe example of how numerous MC's of various movies or books or whatever eventually become OP by just killing tons of people and learn stuff that would take everyone else years.
     
  19. OverReactionGuy

    OverReactionGuy The only Sane one left

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    Seems like the guy who did the Kotor story wrote a novel called Revan that some people weren't happy about since he fucked up her character too and just used her to prop up Revan on the totem pole. Apparently.

    Haven't read the novel myself, but it sounds horrible.
     
  20. MadGreenSon

    MadGreenSon Verified Devil Tiger

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    It works well enough, should you feel the need to explain regular video game stuff. I'd say that the first game had a better explanation with Revan slowly getting over the mind wipe, but it works
     
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    Spoit Versed in the lewd.

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    Like I said before. Fuck Traviss. It was one thing with her few thousand clone army being able to fight a galactic war, but when they had her write stories about the jedi, and couldn't restrain herself with the mando wank? Yeah, that's when I dropped the EU completely.
     
  22. MadGreenSon

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    Agree with you in general, but there was a funny thing in the Legacy of the Force books. She spent a few novels enthusiastically jerking the Mandalorians off, then another writer got to write the bit where some of the proud children of Mandalore actually fought a fully trained Force wielder.

    ...

    Jacen Solo took their two dollar asses and made change. Like they weren't even that big a deal, he kicked the shit out of them on his way to a real fight.:D

    God Traviss was a fucking idiot. We have her to blame for codifying a lot of the Mandalorian fanboy bullshit.
     
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  23. vyor

    vyor Oh that's cute

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    I mean... canonicaly they did nearly bring the republic to its knees, only losing when Revan kicked their shit in.
     
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  24. MadGreenSon

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    Canonically, it's weirder than that. They never really got to any of the core systems or anything, but everyone was acting like the boot was on their face. I'm not even sure what the hell was up with that, to be honest. Maybe whatever forces were facing them got the hell kicked out of them and everyone coreward just figured doom was at hand until Revan jumped in.

    It's actually strange, maybe the Republic military had a lot of embedded news crews or something that got everyone stirred up.
     
  25. vyor

    vyor Oh that's cute

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    They were probably smashing agriworlds or whatever.
     
  26. MadGreenSon

    MadGreenSon Verified Devil Tiger

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    Maybe.

    ...

    Does Star Wars have things like agriworlds? It's actually a little vague about how the ecumenopolis worlds get their supplies. But if they were cutting off the routes to those planets in the core, I could see a lot of politically important people losing their shit.
     
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    vyor Oh that's cute

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    They do.

    And even when pushed back to Mandalore they put up enough resistance that it stopped the entire republic military for a good bit.
     
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  28. aja318

    aja318 Know what you're doing yet?

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    Actually Exile getting Force powers from killing living things is false as first level up is from droid fight (it's also part of narrative so no game mechanics excuse). There is other explanation for how it worked, one part was that jedi grow by overcoming challenges and trials of pretty much any kind and fact that MC was special due to ability to forme Force Bonds and was already bonded to Treya (that Exile was at least knight also help with rapid growth). On the other hand if we believe what Treya says about how jedi in general and Exile in particular work (that does have some support) then there is no Sith Empire, no phisical "True Sith" and reason Revan left Ebon Hawk and roids is because he went to face enemy that can't be fought using such tools. Incidentally at the end of KOTOR2 after you talk Treya into giving up, it's implied that Exile is going to search for Revan woth intention of talking some sense into him and not joining some fight with some evil empire.


    As for reason Republic was so worried about Mandalorians it was because they set outer rim on fire and were going inward before Jedi took control of army and started to push back ending in effectively destroying Mandalorians as people, leaving them as scattered bands that never really recovered. True blooded mando warriors were dieing breed after Jedi Civil War that followed Mandalorian War with at most some groups adopting what scraps pf culture they could scavenge.

    Kind of both, there was similar effect to being wound in the Force and self inflicted severing of connection with Force that was only restored after forming a Force Bond with trained Force user. It's part of reason why when Masters you are assembling tried to sever your connection to force they failed, because there was nothing to cut.
     
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    OverReactionGuy The only Sane one left

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    Ironically, the MMO kinda fucked that whole talk some sense into Revan thing up.

    Instead he, exile and some guy named Scourge(Cmon people, Scourge?!) fought the true Sith emperor. Well, Exile went first and got her ass kicked, think Scourge did to and then Revan proceeds to show that he's an even match for the emperor for some time.

    Then something happens, Exile gets literately backstabbed by Scourge(such a trustworthy name) and discarded like she's a piece of trash and then Revan gets captured or something.

    Haven't read said novel myself, but I did read some reviews of it and a few rants.

    Apparently it was all part of Scourges plan of defeating the Emperor who likely could have been killed right then and there if Revan and Exile didn't fucking fight him one on one.
     
  30. aja318

    aja318 Know what you're doing yet?

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    I did read short summation of plot of that book on SB and also wasn't impressed, what I remember is in short Exile is nothing special, Revan is best wver and "Emperor" is Super Sith who can out Nihilus Nihilus without suffering from inherent flaw of his technique/style.
     
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