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What are your most hated fanfic tropes

ForestDweller said:
Charisma in litrpg should really be a mind compulsion effect instead of a personality change.

Dungeon Crawler Carl uses Charisma that way. When a cat has high charisma, she gets perceived as incredibly cute. When a woman has high charisma, she gets perceived as incredibly hot (MC got an instant erection when he got bewitched by one).
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Late reply, but how would a very high CHA, but very low INT/WIS manifest? How would the charisma stat work? Would it make people go easy on them when they were wrong? Would it invoke a kind of cute tone to their words? Would it make people look at them with sympathy/pity?
 
Stimpak Medic said:
Late reply, but how would a very high CHA, but very low INT/WIS manifest? How would the charisma stat work? Would it make people go easy on them when they were wrong? Would it invoke a kind of cute tone to their words? Would it make people look at them with sympathy/pity?
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Yes to all above. CHA is basically the ability to persuade people to your side and to do your bidding.
 
Stimpak Medic said:
Respectfully, I disagree. Sometimes, killing your enemy is very effective, but since you said political enemy, at what point is it justified morally to kill that enemy?

I have a hypothetical.

Say your political opponent is a nazi and nobody but you knows that, nazis are bad, we all know that. They are running for president and will do irreprable damage to whatever country you live in. They are growing in power but to the public's knowledge they have never committed a crime in their life, but you know what their endgame is. They are constantly getting away with challenging you within the law.

Would you have them killed or kill them if you knew you could get away with it?
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And so you've given an example of provocation. Killing this Nazi will strengthen his supporters and spread his views on the wave of "he was a musin, they killed him for no reason, so he was right." In this case, killing him just because he's a Nazi, without confirming that he actually committed murder, will in fact make you a Nazi as well. After all, you're justifying the murder of a man based not on his actions, but on his ideological views. Exactly what Nazis do. Here's a logical example of how you've swallowed the bait of your Nazi adversary.
And yes, who determined that your political opponent is a Nazi? You personally? Did your opponent commit any Nazi crimes, or was their only crime simply disagreeing with you and then using their symbols to troll you? This matters, because if there are no crimes, then you will be the Nazi in such a dispute, not the person you accused of Nazism.

Ultimately, your entire "effectiveness" boils down to giving your enemy the Barbara Streisand effect: if he dies, people pay attention to his views and whitewash them based solely on his death. If he survives, he defeats you in the election by accusing you of Nazism. Your entire effectiveness ultimately becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. So, you've just given an example of why killing your opponent is stupid.
 
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ForestDweller said:
The idea of killing the evil leader of an Empire will just end the evil empire is something fiction likes to do but it has no basis at all in real life.
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Not to mention the whole power vaccume, or the idea of sucessors.

And sure, sometimes the Empire will collapse because the Big Bad is the only one with the skill to hold it to together (See the Afsharids of Iran for an example of a short lived state.) But there will always be a power vaccum.
 
Tera Forma said:
And so you've given an example of provocation. Killing this Nazi will strengthen his supporters and spread his views on the wave of "he was a musin, they killed him for no reason, so he was right." In this case, killing him just because he's a Nazi, without confirming that he actually committed murder, will in fact make you a Nazi as well. After all, you're justifying the murder of a man based not on his actions, but on his ideological views. Exactly what Nazis do. Here's a logical example of how you've swallowed the bait of your Nazi adversary.
And yes, who determined that your political opponent is a Nazi? You personally? Did your opponent commit any Nazi crimes, or was their only crime simply disagreeing with you and then using their symbols to troll you? This matters, because if there are no crimes, then you will be the Nazi in such a dispute, not the person you accused of Nazism.
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I think you're missing the forest for the trees. I apologize if I wasn't clear enough. The point wasn't "Is it moral to kill nazis?" forget nazis, I just said nazi since almost everyone agrees they are the bad guys, Remove nazi and replace it with the "ultimate evil mc bad guy who twists babies heads off and drinks their blood for fun". It was, is it ever moral moral to kill your enemies if they are the ultimate evil that WILL do harm to you and those you love, since you said you shouldn't kill your enemies.

To further it, what is the line where killing them becomes a moral neutral, and a moral good?
 
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Stimpak Medic said:
I think you're missing the forest for the trees. I apologize if I wasn't clear enough. The point wasn't "Is it moral to kill nazis?" forget nazis, I just said nazi since almost everyone agrees they are the bad guys, Remove nazi and replace it with the "ultimate evil mc bad guy who twists babies heads off and drinks their blood for fun". It was, is it ever moral moral to kill your enemies if they are the ultimate evil that WILL do harm to you and those you love, since you said you shouldn't kill your enemies.

To further it, what is the line where killing them becomes a moral neutral, and a moral good?
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Kill them morally. The problem is in the logistics of planning. Because assassination only really works when other methods have already been tried and failed. Assassination is when an irreversible failure has been effectively initiated. Everything is clear. This is an extreme argument. It's not for nothing that they say, "War is the last argument of kings."
 
Tera Forma said:
Kill them morally. The problem is in the logistics of planning. Because assassination only really works when other methods have already been tried and failed. Assassination is when an irreversible failure has been effectively initiated. Everything is clear. This is an extreme argument. It's not for nothing that they say, "War is the last argument of kings."
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Yes, it is an extreme argument since nobody bases arguments on the easy to answer, no stakes answers. Ideals are only sound when they are tested to the extreme and remain consistent. Nobody disagrees with the idea that murdering and raping somebody is not very nice, but there is still discussion about the death penalty for mass murders in some states and countries.
 
Stimpak Medic said:
To further this point about modern things in medieval settings, I instantly drop a story if modern terms and lingo is being spoken by a 12th century French peasant.

Edit: Ideally, when writing about a time period/Culture, doing the bare minimum of research goes a long way. Even if it's just learning about the clothes, names of political powers, and terms used around that time.
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Meh this is a silly complaint someone in medieval France saying "ok" is not going to break immersion. It's just not practical to have people in period dramas speak archaic languages, I mean I doubt most audiences can understand anient languages either 12th. Centuries French or Latin.
 
Theman said:
Meh this is a silly complaint someone in medieval France saying "ok" is not going to break immersion. It's just not practical to have people in period dramas speak archaic languages, I mean I doubt most audiences can understand anient languages either 12th. Centuries French or Latin.
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What a weird misrepresentation of my point. It's not only "Ok" and both you and me know that, yet you still typed that out. I wonder why that is.

But I'll humor your straw man for a moment. I've seen people writing these characters using 20th and 21st century terms and sayings. Including but not limited to Social distancing, boomer, New Normal, glow up, and simp.

Surely you can understand why someone in a medieval fantasy land calling someone a boomer or simp takes me out of a story?

Edit: Nobody is asking people to read 12th century texts and replicate them, but using terms from the 20th-21st century is jarring.

What a weird comment.
 
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Stimpak Medic said:
What a weird misrepresentation of my point. It's not only "Ok" and both you and me know that, yet you still typed that out. I wonder why that is.

But I'll humor your straw man for a moment. I've seen people writing these characters using 20th and 21st century terms and sayings. Including but not limited to Social distancing, boomer, New Normal, glow up, and simp.

Surely you can understand why someone in a medieval fantasy land calling someone a boomer or simp takes me out of a story?

Edit: Nobody is asking people to read 12th century texts and replicate them, but using terms from the 20th-21st century is jarring.

What a weird comment.
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Boomer I get simp though might not be slang. After all they did have the same idea for a henpecked husband.
 
Krazeron said:
Naruto/DxD crossover just to see a post 4th world war Naruto die to fucking Raynare of all people, all to see Rias somehow reincarnating him and Kurama with a single piece and no problems at all.
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Omg this.

Thread tax time. I fucking hate those wattpad stories where it's a big ass crossover with like 5 verses and the MC has no powers and is getting brutally fucked everyday and bullied to near death just to get a power up and then forgive everyone
 
how about how normalized Futas are. Why would anyone be that willingly? thats pretty much Bodyhorror to me and people write it like its some kind of win-win to bang both sides. so many stories who ruined it at the very start despite having a cool synopsis because they want to make their MC an Abomination. And its also never "played for real" where they have to live with the dysmorphia and difficulty getting partners that wouldnt call you a freak or anything. just very cheap porn.
 
CILinkz said:
how about how normalized Futas are. Why would anyone be that willingly? thats pretty much Bodyhorror to me and people write it like its some kind of win-win to bang both sides. so many stories who ruined it at the very start despite having a cool synopsis because they want to make their MC an Abomination. And its also never "played for real" where they have to live with the dysmorphia and difficulty getting partners that wouldnt call you a freak or anything. just very cheap porn.
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Very cheap porn is exactly why it's done tho but I agree, there should be some dysmorphia and difficulty getting partners
 
Futa's a fucking disease.


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I hate the constant aging up of characters for no reason whatsoever and no AU/aged-up characters tag.
I see a fic in NSFW CW, expect lewds of female characters of the setting the MC/SI gets transmigrated to, only to get completely blindsided by different ages, older characters different schools system all while they act the exact same as they do in the OG medium ignoring that they're older/adults now when they clearly shouldn't be acting like that.

That shit pisses me off.

ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S A FANTASY OR DARK AGES/MEDIEVAL SETTING WHERE MODERN MORALS SHOULDN'T FUCKING EXIST!!!
 
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CILinkz said:
how about how normalized Futas are. Why would anyone be that willingly? thats pretty much Bodyhorror to me and people write it like its some kind of win-win to bang both sides. so many stories who ruined it at the very start despite having a cool synopsis because they want to make their MC an Abomination. And its also never "played for real" where they have to live with the dysmorphia and difficulty getting partners that wouldnt call you a freak or anything. just very cheap porn.
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From my point of view, it is just an excuse for the author to cosplay as a cute lesbian in a yuri relationship without needing to involve a third party because the dick is still there for when they decide to have kids.

But then again, I'm reaching here since even the presence of a Futa, there isn't any sex in the plot.
shinighoul6 said:
I hate the constant aging up of characters with ko reason whatsoever and no AU/aged-up characters tag.
I see a fic in NSFW CW, expect lewds of female characters of the setting the MC/SI gets transmigrated to, only to get completely blindsided by different ages, older characters different schools system all while they act the exact same as they do in the OG medium ignoring that they're older/adults now when they clearly shouldn't be acting like that.
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Aging up the characters isn't there to spice up the dynamics of the storyline.

They're there for the author not to feel bad when writing about their attraction to a fictional girl.
 
CILinkz said:
people write it like its some kind of win-win to bang both sides
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I don't actively seek out futa content so not a huge sample to go off, but I don't think I've seen more than one or two fics where a futa is on the receiving end. Struck me more as 'straight sex between two waifus.'

shinighoul6 said:
I hate the constant aging up of characters for no reason
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You'd better not be having impure thoughts about those words, citizen. They're underage.
 
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Leviticusrex said:
Show me slice of life.

No, put down the goddamned laser beams and power armor and show me the slice of life. I want to see your stupid fantasy/future societies food stalls, show me what music they listen to (If you name drop a band from the 21st century I will attack), show me anything other than their stupid fucking laser beams and warships. I see it all the goddamned time people brainstorming military units down to each individual private taking a shit, but for the life of them will not ever describe what or how they eat, or what they listen to or even an iota of how they live.

Sell me on the world your military is defending, do something other than talk about lasers and power armor, I fucking beg you.
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Ohhh, is THIS why I've wanted more In Stars and Times fanfics? Particularly ones prior to the beginning of the game? Or post-game. Huh.

Yes, the way clothing, toilets, and music can be useful for characterization when the setting itself has the focus for a while, that's good stuff. Food is the obvious one, but it's still worth doing right. Doing it multiple times, particularly with prior research. I wonder if that's something George R. R. Martin stopped doing, and people subconsciously picked up on the food descriptions bearing meaningful connections to the rest of the culture relevant for a scene...? I could see it.
 
CILinkz said:
how about how normalized Futas are. Why would anyone be that willingly? thats pretty much Bodyhorror to me and people write it like its some kind of win-win to bang both sides. so many stories who ruined it at the very start despite having a cool synopsis because they want to make their MC an Abomination. And its also never "played for real" where they have to live with the dysmorphia and difficulty getting partners that wouldnt call you a freak or anything. just very cheap porn.
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I'm not going to gainsay people choosing to read or write about futa stuff even if I personally have basically zero tolerance for it myself, but what I find particularly grating is how often people don't fucking tag it. My loathing for it stems like at least 50% from the far too many times I have been reading what seems like a nice and interesting story and then get rugpulled several chapters in when I get jumpscared and the author reveals that lmao, it was futa all along.
 
Phlogistician said:
I'm not going to gainsay people choosing to read or write about futa stuff even if I personally have basically zero tolerance for it myself, but what I find particularly grating is how often people don't fucking tag it. My loathing for it stems like at least 50% from the far too many times I have been reading what seems like a nice and interesting story and then get rugpulled several chapters in when I get jumpscared and the author reveals that lmao, it was futa all along.
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The not tagging shit is what fucking grates me every single time. And the excuse they give is they don't know if that stuff will be in the fic so they don't/tag as they go.

Surprise! The Male MC is bisexual,
Surprise! The Male MC is actually a femboy,
Surprise! The MC is actually genderswapped even tho I'm using Male pronouns for them,
Surprise! The MC is actually female,
Surprise! Sudden yaoi after chapters of no hint,
Surprise! The MC is a futa,
Surprise! The MC gets fucked by both futas and dudes,
Surprise! It's actually an AU where the characters are aged up,
Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!

TAG YOUR SHIT!!
 
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shinighoul6 said:
Exactly fucking this.

This is QQ, NOBODY CARES!!!!!
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I expect many people do care, if for no other reason than they don't find "lolis" appealing in the first place. I can't count the number of times I've come across loli art and thought to myself "this would be really hot if she was about ten years older".

Also, in writing style most fanfic authors tend to effectively age up characters anyway because they can't write children or teenagers well at all.
 
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