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You're obviously not reading what I have written. Let me see if I can explain it more clearly. Copied from here.Exactly what I'm talking about. You put Marquis up on a pedestal and shame the Brigade. You utterly refuse to consider that they were in any way right.
Newsflash: The unwritten rules are next to nonexistent. Tattletale was lying to Taylor when she talked about how important they are.
Oh, for fuck's sake.
This again.
I must have addressed this specific rant half a dozen times so far.
Do us all a favour and read the fucking thread.
Let me clarify for you.
YES, Marquis is a criminal. He steals things. He has people hurt and killed. He kills his own men if they fail him dramatically enough.
This is not in doubt.
He also bends over backward not to harm women and kids. This makes him different to the vast run of super-powered crime bosses (and a paragon next to Butcher, Allfather and probably Galvanate). He's so well known for this that the heroes decide to use it against him.
Let's look at the heroes. They are not SWAT. They have clashed with him at least twice before, probably more. They've lost, every single time. By their very behaviour, it's personal. It's not heroes vs villain for them; it's them vs him. Especially for Brandish, who carries an irrational hatred, legacy of a bad childhood trauma, such that she is willing to kill him, once he is down and surrendered, if he just gives her an excuse. Not a reason; an excuse. She's one half-assed justification away from murder.
Worse, when they are fighting him, Lady Photon is flinging around ranged lethal attacks that are penetrating walls. They haven't checked to see if anyone else is living there. They don't know if anyone else is in the (large, palatial) house. For all they know, a live-in girlfriend is going to sleepily open a door, and walk into a flurry of laser blasts. It's a tragedy just begging to happen.
When he starts protecting that closet, they don't ask him what's in there. They don't accede to his request to move the fight away. They immediately decide that this is their chance to get it over him. He's already stated that he's ridiculously wealthy, and he can abandon the house at a moment's notice; it's extremely unlikely that what's in there is an item of physical wealth. But they don't think about that. (See above on this being personal). Brandish decides to attack the closet, and what's in it - without ever knowing what's in there - just to get an advantage on him.
Worse; he is known, as noted, to not harm women or children. They cynically and hypocritically decide to use this against him. Brandish throws herself in the way of a potentially lethal attack aimed at keeping Manpower busy, which Marquis then disintegrates so as not to harm her. Just a little later, once he is distracted from the closet, she unhesitatingly inflicts a critical wound on him, and is promptly ready to murder him, given any excuse at all.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but using your enemy's unwillingness to harm you against him like that? That's villainous. Worse, it's giving him an incentive - a rather strong one at that - to ignore said unwillingness, the next time you clash with him. Is that really, truly, in anyone's best interests? When your enemy is acting in your best interests, you don't do anything to dissuade him. Kind of common sense.
So, let's recap.
Marquis: bad guy. Good father. Unwilling to harm women or kids. Needed arresting for his crimes.
The Brockton Bay Brigade: shockingly bad at being heroes. Nearly killed a six year old girl twice, by sheer negligence. Were willing to murder a downed, surrendered foe. Set a precedent which (possibly) led to the death of one of their teammates later on. Used their enemy's nobler impulses against him because that was the only way they could beat him. (One more time: he was more heroic than they were in this particular instance, and they used this against him). They only got him at all because he was protecting his child, and they were threatening her with lethal attacks. And they didn't even feel bad about nearly killing her.
Legally, he was in the wrong. Morally, in this particular fight, he was in the right. (Overall is a different picture, but this is about this fight).
Had even one of those shots gotten through, or if Carol had decided that she had her excuse? They would have been murderers.
That's the true story of what happened.