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[Lady Naga]

and diverted discussion to himself

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Now this would make me murderously mad lmao.

 

[evildice]

Now this would make me murderously mad lmao.

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You're not alone, mods got involved in that one.

 

[Treble]

It's really bloody annoying how people keep simping for Tito just because he kept the Balkans together.

Like, he kept it together in the same sense a prison keeps people together. The various ethnic groups still hated each other, it's just that they were way more scared of being tortured to death alongside their families if they defied him.

It was always going to end badly once he died. Nations can't be forged with just fear and force.

If you want an actual modern historical dictator who managed to unify a dozen different cultures, Lee Kuan Yew is right there. His results are infinitely better than whatever Tito's secret police ever managed.

 

[NuclearBird]

Can't imagine why the partisan leader turned autocrat who prevented genocidal bloodletting for decades and turned a bombed out barely industrialized mountain range into one of the centers of the Unaligned Movement in a region whose name has become a byword for "fragmented, unstable, anarchic and dangerous" and kept the standard of living so high that both Soviet and NATO overtures of political manipulation failed to take root.

It's a fucking mystery that only South Slavs will understand, I guess.

 

[Savinkov]

Can't imagine why the partisan leader turned autocrat who prevented genocidal bloodletting for decades and turned a bombed out barely industrialized mountain range into one of the centers of the Unaligned Movement in a region whose name has become a byword for "fragmented, unstable, anarchic and dangerous" and kept the standard of living so high that both Soviet and NATO overtures of political manipulation failed to take root.

It's a fucking mystery that only South Slavs will understand, I guess.

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This is definitely rule 8 bait.

 

[NuclearBird]

This is definitely rule 8 bait.

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Yugoslavia collapsed more than 20 years ago, the Balkans became the source of the meme when the Ottomans first pulled back from Southern Europe in the early 1900s before WW1, Tito's rise to power was in the 40s-50s and the rest is just me repeating Treble's own words topped off with enough sarcasm to make even the most autistic child understand that it's meant to mock Treble's question containing the knowledge that answers itself.

 

[Savinkov]

Yugoslavia collapsed more than 20 years ago, the Balkans became the source of the meme when the Ottomans first pulled back from Southern Europe in the early 1900s before WW1, Tito's rise to power was in the 40s-50s and the rest is just me repeating Treble's own words topped off with enough sarcasm to make even the most autistic child understand that it's meant to mock Treble's question containing the knowledge that answers itself.

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I forgot I had treble on ignore, so it seemed like this had came out of nowhere.

 

[NuclearBird]

I forgot I had treble on ignore, so it seemed like this had came out of nowhere.

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Oh no, I just didn't want to grace Treble with a direct reply, no other reason... (in truth I forgot to hit the Reply button while typing).

 

[Treble]

Can't imagine why the partisan leader turned autocrat who prevented genocidal bloodletting for decades and turned a bombed out barely industrialized mountain range into one of the centers of the Unaligned Movement in a region whose name has become a byword for "fragmented, unstable, anarchic and dangerous" and kept the standard of living so high that both Soviet and NATO overtures of political manipulation failed to take root.....what?

It's a fucking mystery that only South Slavs will understand, I guess.

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You didn't finish that sentence, but never mind. My point is that he didn't really create peace, he just monopolized the violence through a reign of terror.

His model was bound to collapse in the short run after his death. What else could happen when the only thing keeping everyone from killing each other is the fear that they (and their families) might disappear in the night?

 

[Amazon Climber]

You didn't finish that sentence, but never mind. My point is that he didn't really create peace, he just monopolized the violence through a reign of terror.

His model was bound to collapse in the short run after his death. What else could happen when the only thing keeping everyone from killing each other is the fear that they (and their families) might disappear in the night?

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As an ugly American who knows little of this particular conflict, it sounds like you're making the perfect the enemy of the good enough. Or, at least, that you don't understand why anyone would be happy with good enough instead of a hypothetical better.