People are using AI but not disclosing it. How do you detect it ?

The hostile attack on people using AI in this exact thread is proof positive that most people will not admit to using it in fear of ridicule.

NumberSix said:

The hostile attack on people using AI in this exact thread is proof positive that most people will not admit to using it in fear of ridicule.

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"Hostile attack" You, amongst others are in an anti-AI thread about AI usage disclosure, constantly arguing against people who wish for nothing more than to avoid AI stories. If you see people being vocal against AI, it is only due to your own behavior.

The scope of the thread is AI usage disclosure, yet people cannot help but glorify AI usage, and defend the UNETHICAL use of AI (that being undisclosed AI stories).

I get it, you amongst others have a different opinion than me in regards to AI, but let's have some self reflection here. If I went to a pro-AI thread and acted the way you people are acting in this thread, do you think that won't have any effect on the discussion?

GatoArc said:

"Hostile attack" You, amongst others are in an anti-AI thread about AI usage disclosure, constantly arguing against people who wish for nothing more than to avoid AI stories. If you see people being vocal against AI, it is only due to your own behavior.

The scope of the thread is AI usage disclosure, yet people cannot help but glorify AI usage, and defend the UNETHICAL use of AI (that being undisclosed AI stories).

I get it, you amongst others have a different opinion than me in regards to AI, but let's have some self reflection here. If I went to a pro-AI thread and acted the way you people are acting in this thread, do you think that won't have any effect on the discussion?

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Well, when people decide to try to shape the forum's policy to authorize a hostile attack, then you will see the crowd in favor of civility arguing against it.

Also no. AI usage might be lazy or tell that the person don't trust their own writing, but it isn't unethical. If AI usage is unethical, so it is photography, 3D modeling and others.
They are doing it easy in computer and machines instead of BLEEDING their fingers like every 'true artist'.

Lightbringer said:

Also no. AI usage might be lazy or tell that the person don't trust their own writing, but it isn't unethical. If AI usage is unethical, so it is photography, 3D modeling and others.
They are doing it easy in computer and machines instead of BLEEDING their fingers like every 'true artist'.

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Dude come on, I even placed it in parenthesis of what I considered to be unethical AI usage. This is the 2nd time you've done me dirty.

Lightbringer said:

Well, when people decide to try to shape the forum's policy to authorize a hostile attack, then you will see the crowd in favor of civility arguing against it.

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This is fiction. No one here is doing that, you invented a scenario in your head and ran with it.

The Radiance's Follower said:

How do you prove that a story is AI ? I personally just look at the tempo and punctuation. Also the usage of em dashes is a sure sign but not a definitive one. AI stories have a certain measured way of writing. It takes a lot of time to move from one scene to another

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It can be kinda hard at first due to the it seeming similar to that of non English speakers having a go at writing.

Really the fact that the writing doesn't improve is the biggest tell. Normal writers get better over time while Ai stays just as crappy as it was at the beginning.

Truth though it's hard to prove it. God I wish people were just fucking honest about it.

Really is honesty that much too ask for?

Most of people's complaints about Ai slop is that it's not tagged as such.

GatoArc said:

"Hostile attack" You, amongst others are in an anti-AI thread about AI usage disclosure, constantly arguing against people who wish for nothing more than to avoid AI stories. If you see people being vocal against AI, it is only due to your own behavior.

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This isn't an "anti-AI thread".

If you want an "anti-AI thread" create it, name it explicitly "anti-AI thread" or "only ranting about use of AI" and you will have one.

I'm loath to advise that, as there are already multiple similar threads about AI, but it is better than getting offended that people have the gall to have different opinions.

xihute said:

This isn't an "anti-AI thread".

If you want an "anti-AI thread" create it, name it explicitly "anti-AI thread" or "only ranting about use of AI" and you will have one.

I'm loath to advise that, as there are already multiple similar threads about AI, but it is better than getting offended that people have the gall to have different opinions.

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Let's stop being obtuse, it certainly isn't an AI positive thread. It is about avoiding the usage of it.

Look I'm not going to argue semantics. I don't have a problem with different opinions, as I've stated multiple times, however there is that and then having the gall of dismissing the entire thread as an AI hate thread by claiming people are hostile/attacking when most of the people arguing in here have been glorifying AI and defending this unethical utilization of AI (that being undisclosed AI stories).

People have a right to air their opinions of AI after such a blatant 1-sided glorification.

NumberSix said:

The hostile attack on people using AI in this exact thread is proof positive that most people will not admit to using it in fear of ridicule.

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Don't care. If people are insulting "the author" report the comment and the mods will ban the person. If they fear ridicule so much then they better go do something else, beginner writers also fear ridicule yet post their work no matter how bad it.

By not admitting that you are using AI, you are forcing people to read something they don't want. Lying by omission is still lying.

xihute said:

This isn't an "anti-AI thread".

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Yep. I don't care about what people do in their own time. I just don't want to be misled into reading something a computer made.

People who don't disclose they are using AI in their "work" are being intentionally unethical and wasting my and other people time.

I've never commented "is this AI" or anything like that under anyone's story. Because it would be a waste of time.

The Radiance's Follower said:

Yep. I don't care about what people do in their own time. I just don't want to be misled into reading something a computer made.

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Personally I put it under qq's kinkshaming policy.

People's own taste is their own business, some people like tea others coco, some like bananas other cherries and peaches and some like both.

If it's not their cup of tea that's fine, they don't have to drink it and that's their choice.

If I prefer to be dry most of the time then that's my choice.

Not revealing Ai in this metaphor would be sitting down for a meal only to find out after you already have your mouth full that it's not chocolate your eating or lemonade your drinking*. The taste is not appreciated.

*No kinkshaming of Watersports or Scat intended

GatoArc said:

Let's stop being obtuse, it certainly isn't an AI positive thread. It is about avoiding the usage of it.

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Yes, it's an AI-neutral thread.
No, if you want an anti-AI thread, name it explicitly so. I'm not going to adjust to some unstated, assumed rules like "only negative opinions about AI use are acceptable".

The thread is called: "People are using AI but not disclosing it. How do you detect it ?", not "People are using AI but not disclosing it. Why you hate it?", or "People are using AI but not disclosing it. Why they're scum?"

GatoArc said:

People have a right to air their opinions of AI after such a blatant 1-sided glorification.

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They have the right to do so, that's what I told you. It doesn't stop being 1-sided if it's your side.

The right to air opinions doesn't mean that people must accept and agree with it.

The Radiance's Follower said:

Don't care. If people are insulting "the author" report the comment and the mods will ban the person. If they fear ridicule so much then they better go do something else, beginner writers also fear ridicule yet post their work no matter how bad it.

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I've seen this stance before, and I disagree. If you don't want "unlabeled AI fiction" you should be against that. If insults towards authors over AI use are a reason (it may be, it may be not) for them not labeling it as such, it goes against what you want.

"I don't care" may be a sign of tacit approval of the insults, but I don't think that's what you're doing here and why you are saying it.

The Radiance's Follower said:

Yep. I don't care about what people do in their own time. I just don't want to be misled into reading something a computer made.

People who don't disclose they are using AI in their "work" are being intentionally unethical and wasting my and other people time.

I've never commented "is this AI" or anything like that under anyone's story. Because it would be a waste of time.

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Imo, I think that "is this AI" should be allowed. In theory. In practice, I'm afraid that it may be toxic.

I'm all for open discourse and talking about the use of AI. If you don't like reading AI-written stories, you shouldn't be tricked into reading them - and honestly, I don't think it even matters if the AI-written fiction is the best fiction in the world. It doesn't matter why someone doesn't want to read AI-written fics, that's their choice.



Maybe we look at it from the wrong angle? What about labeling fics "no AI-used"? Instead of lying by omission, people would have to lie actively.

I would propose that the use of such a label should allow for questioning whether there really was no AI use. (In such a case, there should be an explicit, visible warning for authors that questions about AI use are allowed).

xihute said:

"I don't care" may be a sign of tacit approval of the insults, but I don't think that's what you're doing here and why you are saying it.

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It's just how I feel about the subject of AI 'author' getting ridiculed for being slop merchants. I am actively against witch hunts and insults since they directly impact user experience and will lead to a toxic environment. Mobs are not something anyone wants or desire.

xihute said:

Maybe we look at it from the wrong angle? What about labeling fics "no AI-used"? Instead of lying by omission, people would have to lie actively.

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This needs to be tested just to see if it could works. I don't see it having much of an impact. But it has potential. AI authors don't care enough to write so they could also not care enough to tag.