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The 'ugly' guy that gets the hot girl

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I'm reading a light novel called 'Breaking up with the heroine in an otome game', and the female leads are constantly remarking about how the MC doesn't have a good face, isn't attractive etc. But he still gets them in the end.

Man, this trope really annoys me. It's one of those things that takes 'suspension of disbelief' waaay too far. I'm sure if you go over the planet's population with a fine-toothed comb, you'd find a hot girl with an ugly guy, but it really is the exception that proves the rule.

Hot girls can be friends with ugly guys, but that's all it's ever going to be. They won't go for relationships, especially not when there are better options around. And this novel in particular was originally supposed to be a reverse harem novel with plenty of hot, rich and strong guys around.

To make matters worse, the protagonist doesn't have any special powers, unlike the other male characters. He just has information about the world, qualifying him to be a tactician type character. To be clear, I have no problem with that kind of story, I like it even, but it's like saying the high school chess captain valedictorian is pulling all the girls because of his brain. That just isn't true.

We all know the two rules to getting girls:
1.) Be attractive
2.) Don't be unattractive

Going the opposite way just really makes it hard for me immerse myself in a story's world. It just isn't believable. And this kind of thing appearing in a story is usually a symptom of a larger problem—a lack of understanding from the author on how worldbuilding works.

The foundation of worldbuilding should be a sort-of fundamental realism. Having regular people (that is to say, people that operate like actual human beings) react or behave differently when faced with a weird fantasy/sci-fi world.

It's not the degree and amount of differences between the real world and fictional worlds that make said fictional world interesting. It's the similarities. It makes the story feel grounded, like it's not just a bunch of garbled nonsense.

But maybe I'm ranting too much. So I'm done now.
 
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I am begging you to touch grass, because you've contracted the kind of brain-rot you only see in the terminally online. Like, I'm not going to pretend handsome guys don't have it much easier, but even a modicum of social interaction ought to cure you of the notion that only attractive (or wealthy) men get laid.
 
I get where you're coming from, but I believe this is more of a case of Japanese bland MC and less of an ugly mugg. Also insulting your looks is a common shit-test that (mostly young) women do , so it checks out.

They say this behind the MC's back tho.

The actual rules for getting and keeping girls (and guys)

1.) Know what league you're in.
2.) Don't aim for people who are too far out of your league.

This is the right answer. It's not like I'm saying an average/ugly looking guy is doomed to be an eternal virgin. That's not the case. But he isn't going to land the supermodel chick, and he certainly isn't going to be banging multiple at the same time.

I am begging you to touch grass, because you've contracted the kind of brain-rot you only see in the terminally online. Like, I'm not going to pretend handsome guys don't have it much easier, but even a modicum of social interaction ought to cure you of the notion that only attractive (or wealthy) men get laid.

See above
 
This is the right answer. It's not like I'm saying an average/ugly looking guy is doomed to be an eternal virgin. That's not the case. But he isn't going to land the supermodel chick, and he certainly isn't going to be banging multiple at the same time.

What league someone is in is determined by more than just looks. Personality, status, etc are factors as well.
 
What league someone is in is determined by more than just looks. Personality, status, etc are factors as well.
One of the archetypes of people - and I say archetypes because I met more than just a couple - I saw in the kink community is the type I've nicknamed the Ringmaster. They're quite fat, average to quite unattractive, and otherwise physically unremarkable. They're also gregarious, bombastic, and funny as anything, and have incredible skill with one or more toys. And they were always in relationships with beautiful young woman who didn't mind - or enjoyed watching them - play with other beautiful young women.

Turns out you really don't have to be handsome as long as you can make the girl you're into smile, laugh, and squirt in front of an audience.
 
I am begging you to touch grass, because you've contracted the kind of brain-rot you only see in the terminally online. Like, I'm not going to pretend handsome guys don't have it much easier, but even a modicum of social interaction ought to cure you of the notion that only attractive (or wealthy) men get laid.
Yup
 
Actual quote: "Hot girls can be friends with ugly guys, but that's all it's ever going to be. "


Actual quote in context.

Hot girls can be friends with ugly guys, but that's all it's ever going to be. They won't go for relationships, especially not when there are better options around. And this novel in particular was originally supposed to be a reverse harem novel with plenty of hot, rich and strong guys around.
 
Even when there "plenty of hot, rich, strong guys around", yes, plenty of women will still be with the poor ugly guy instead, if she loves him, he's reliable, etc
Long term, being reliable is most important

Ah, yes—the surefire way to bang supermodel level chicks. Being reliable. To the extent of beating out guys that are way hotter, more popular, in shape, rich and are pretty reliable in their own right.
 
Ah, yes—the surefire way to bang supermodel level chicks. Being reliable. To the extent of beating out guys that are way hotter, more popular, in shape, rich and are pretty reliable in their own right.

The operative words in Puffycheese's post were long term.

People look for different things in a relationship than they look for in a one night stand.
 
The operative words in Puffycheese's post were long term.

People look for different things in a relationship than they look for in a one night stand.

You're saying those things aren't long term when money is one of the biggest reasons for divorce, and partners letting themselves go is likewise one of the biggest reasons for a dead bedroom.
 
My brother is fairly unattractive and has a nice gf. Seen a few guys like that over the years and I think it all comes down to charisma/leadership. Charisma determines a lot in life, including your incomes, status and how much a woman wants you. A lot of women are attracted by confident and powerfulmen even if the guy look like a gorilla.

Pretty damn sure my bro winged college by convincing his teachers he knew his stuff rather than by memorizing things btw, guy is a psychology(5y/master) major.

But I don't know about a guy being actually ugly. I guess you need to offer something else or something.

Money and looks are a big deal but culture and personnality are even bigger. In some cultures and to some people, divorce is just unacceptable and being a faithful husband / good father is all that counts.
 
Guy was probably broke, not so bright or into fat chicks. No judging.

Yeah, totally, guy comes up to me confidential-like: "God man, all I want is a nice doughy housewife and I keep getting stacked redheads with choking fetishes whenever I try to land a date."

That'd be a trip. He was broke though, but that's even further from the "be attractive, don't be unattractive" line. Or, I suppose underlines that "attractive" ain't what the people spouting it think it is.
 
Anecdotes aren't good evidence. Which is why verbal testimony is valued so little in court. The effect of attractiveness is something that has been properly researched and understood. If you want me to believe you, show me the receipts.

(And 'touch grass' is likewise not an argument. It's simply an attempt to undermine what I said by attacking me personally.)



Sources are shown in the video.
 
The ghoul from Fallout kills people in open combat and is on TV, both traits which people find attractive. Neither are especially viable for the average person to emulate, for better or for worse. Only half joking here.

OP's first post isn't that unreasonable — people by and large end up in relationships with people within shouting distance of their looks, unless there's some other thing conferring high status (money, fame, power, clout in shared social circle, etc.). I don't think this is a bad thing personally, but it means that the whole "hot high-achieving girl with ugly guy who isn't popular or special" thing in fiction isn't particularly realistic — neither is "everyday sort of plain girl manages to actually lock down the incredibly hot dude with a tragic backstory instead of just being a one night stand" for that matter. It's wish fulfillment for those who want to believe that being "nice" or whatever is the sort of thing which will put them in a relationship w/ someone in the top 10% of looks, even though those people have plenty of options who are hot and 'nice'. Arguably that kind of wish fulfillment stuff can be harmful given that when people take it to heart, it's how you end up with bitter confused men who feel "owed" something, and women used for sex by guys who are never realistically going to be serious about them. But I don't think it's that bad as long as people remember what it is.

I do think it's a bit odd for that kind of unrealistic fictional character behavior to be the big deal breaker when plenty of others are tolerated, but I'm not going to claim it doesn't ring false at all.
 
Only attractive people can score attractive people? Why does this whole thing sounds like what Incels usually spout online? LMAO

I have this family member of mine who is not someone that you can describe as attractive but managed to get married to someone very very hot!

Heck! There are plenty of examples in IRL! A quick google search will show lots!



:V
 
I am begging you to touch grass, because you've contracted the kind of brain-rot you only see in the terminally online. Like, I'm not going to pretend handsome guys don't have it much easier, but even a modicum of social interaction ought to cure you of the notion that only attractive (or wealthy) men get laid.
Also that some women are just not worth the squeeze, beauty isn't never the sole factor.
I know a girl who rejected a very fine guy because 'he wasn't tall and handsome' (he was rich).
I remember that him being not 'handsome' fared a bit more for her, then she said that 'but beauty is not everything, right' and got annoyed when I said 'well, beauty has an expiration date. Everyone grows old.'

Sometimes the girl is not worth it. That is all.
 
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Only attractive people can score attractive people? Why does this whole thing sounds like what Incels usually spout online? LMAO

I have this family member of mine who is not someone that you can describe as attractive but managed to get married to someone very very hot!

Heck! There are plenty of examples in IRL! A quick google search will show lots!



:V


Not like that woman is hideous, but let's not pretend she's supermodel level. That's not me insulting her, it's pretty easy to see the difference just by comparing her against girls of similar ethnicity.

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