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Questionable Questing

d.fish
d.fish
The Forsaken is literally the other side of the continent, and 30 years after the events of the Dark Portal. You'd ignore the First and Second Wars.

You'd basically have to use an entirely different premise.
Xicree
Xicree
Bronze Dragons as the plot starter is a bit lazy of me... but it's a place to start that makes sense with WoW's Lore... ie temporal magic being involved that sends the MC's consciousness back. Which could make a subplot with the bronzes eventually noticing ...
d.fish
d.fish
And by becoming Forsaken and forcing the MC to follow that path of canon, there's literally no other option. They can't have living family, or relationships like thus. It's canon that Forsaken cannot feel the majority of emotions, and a key reason why so many turn to despising the living.
Xicree
Xicree
Ugh... I was thinking of where Stormwind was and brain derping on the Scourge's path thinking that they retraced some of the horde's.
d.fish
d.fish
Okay. You're saying you want a time traveling Forsaken who, somehow, loves the Horde. And somehow, sees Gul'dan, Ner'zhul, Blackhand, Cho'gall, or any of the other fel-infused orcs as potential for building bridges.

"A bit lazy" is an understatement. Using Bronze Dragons for anything in Warcraft is already making things minimal stakes, as it infers that "everything turns out like canon".
Xicree
Xicree
Actually plenty of them remember enough and feel enough to have family connections. They just have those emotion 'muted'... not gone.

At least not all of them. Its canon that more than a few wanted to meet with their still human relatives... but were barred from doing so because they were basically kicked out by the Humans.
Xicree
Xicree
Never said anything about liking Nerzul or Guldan or any of the rest of the big bad squad... many of whom would have been the enemy even after having become Forsaken in Thralls horde. Kinda taking all nuance out of what I proposed and
d.fish
d.fish
The Scourge only killed everything in Lordaeron. The Horde killed everything in Azeroth (Kingdom), the eastern half of Ironforge, everything in the Wetlands, everything in Strom, sacked Dalaran, smashed Kul Tiras, broke Gilneas, passed through Alterac, razed the eastern half of Lordaeron, and cut half-way through Quel'thalas.
d.fish
d.fish
You're handwaving everything. There's no possible quest choices to take, just minor small options since there's only one direction for the story to go.
d.fish
d.fish
MC is unapologetically Horde-loving, believes in the single combat solves problems ideals, is unapologetically selfish, forgets every inconvenient truth, gets to redo their life.

MC can't do anything but to follow Thrall, since the ideals of honor he believes in won't allow otherwise.
d.fish
d.fish
MC can't care about his family since he knows this is a poor imitation of the people who went through the pains he did that ended up with death.

MC will not sympathize with any Alliance affiliated races since they were war enemies for over twenty years.
Xicree
Xicree
Right know what I'll just write this myself. Then you can tell me if what comes out actually works or not. Cause you're basically talking at me like I haven't followed Warcraft for 15 years + as well.
d.fish
d.fish
MC cannot trust other humans, because they rejected the MC once they rose up as an undead.

MC isn't immediately noped out of existence by the Bronze because that would be inconvenient.
d.fish
d.fish
Are you upset at me going into more detail when you showed you mistook detail earlier?
Xicree
Xicree
I have an idea of how to approach that, but trying to tell it over the phone while arguing isn't exactly working. I'll write it and work out the kinks in doing so.
Xicree
Xicree
I'm more upset at trying to get to a proper discussion and being misunderstood while trying to type on this bloody phone keyboard. Its annoying bacause id be able to actually explain what I mean and match/smooth out points of contention more easily otherwise.
d.fish
d.fish
No, I know I misunderstood when you initially talked about the Forsaken. That was my mistake.
d.fish
d.fish
I haven't worded it well, but of the several problems I have with your new premise is that it's far too contrived for the majority of players to follow and enjoy. It requires that you enforce what the MC is allowed to believe in, rather than allow an in-character or third party conclusion to be made.
Xicree
Xicree
Ok I can definately see where you're coming from... I'll probably talk more about this later when I'm at a real keyboard... trying to keep up with you on this phone is murdering my fingers.
d.fish
d.fish
The main contradiction between this premise and the earlier proposed premise that I can focus on is that it does not allow for an organic development and introduction of a low-power character in a high-power world focused on familial interaction. When you're thinking of how to help Garona get good with King Liane, you can't focus on interaction with your individual peasant serfs.
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