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Questionable Questing

Bob is bob
Bob is bob
The pilot implied he was far more a meancing figure with a horned hunched shadow.
Andy333
Andy333
I thought they were going to make him an antagonist in the beginning, probably along the lines of that he still loves and respects Charlie, but thinks her goal of redeeming humanity is stupid or inherently flawed because Heaven would never allow it.
Andy333
Andy333
So you would have this complicated relationship, where's he doing all these schemes and ploys to try and break her hotel and get her back home where she can go back to being his little princess, locked away from the mean world. With either Charlie having a break down and running away making him reconsider, or her taking the offer and needing her dad to convince her to back out into the world since she's doing good.
Andy333
Andy333
Would fit the Disney princess themes to a tee and give both of them some good character arcs. But like you said was honestly pretty disappointed how much of a nothing character Lucifer ended up being.
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
Lucifer trying to create a black heaven, with Lilith as mother of dammed humanity, the attempt to give her what she lost. Lucifer styling himself as a anti God. Charlie the heretic princess of Hell
Andy333
Andy333
How he's doing all that? Is he building hell up? Is he trying to get more humans in his domain? Finding worshippers for his own religion? Searching for magical items to even the scales?
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
Trying to get more humans, waging a war with heaven in the mortal realm for souls, trying to organize a church around him and Llith as the Monarchs of Hell.

This doesn't perfectly work as Hell is infinite in dark depth. He's been trying to create a kingdom out of chaos and sin. Charlie saw this and rejected her role to be a broodmother whore queen like Lilith, mother of her siblings. The Sins.
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
Lucifer is trying to seduce Charlie to join him
Andy333
Andy333
Purely for power or because he genuinely loves her? Or both? lol.
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
It's Lucifer. Hazbin making him not pure evil is interesting. Sympathetic and complex is great, but rid of the sad sack shit
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
The Fall over not just free will but vice as a gift to mankind to enhance their lives was a messy disastrous affair and having been stuck in Hell for eternity his vision of events is distorted
Andy333
Andy333
I always liked the tropre where Angels where all one big family and even after the fall, they still love and care about each other which makes how long and messy this war has dragged on even more heartbreaking and painful for everyone involved.
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
Charlie's caught between heaven who instead of Adam make it Able out for blood against heaven for drama with her half brother though she don't know it yet, and Lucifer. Lucifer who wants to have her birth more arch demons line the Sins and join her power to his and Lilith's in a inverted Trinity.
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
The question to ask is what is the nature of the Fall and is God a actual character with personality and flaws. I favor the latter
Andy333
Andy333
Writing God is a real pain in the ass though. It's the same issue with writing any kind of omniscient figure, combined with the controversy of using a religious figure. I mean I'll help you, but it's one of those things where if you don't do it right it'll sink the whole story.
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
This is just fun talk and controversial idea. Do not make God omniscient
Andy333
Andy333
I mean you can. But that just neatly leads into the big dilemma of free will. Why did you create me if you knew I would commit evil? Because regardless of how I feel about your actions, you deserve the ability to choose. Why did you give us the option at all, if it is evil? Can't have good without overcoming evil and vice versa. They are two sides and humanity should be given the choice of which one they want.
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
Did Lucifer want evil thou? I think not
Andy333
Andy333
Talk more soon, I'm getting ice cream. And I already know you're going to tease me about it. lol
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