A Phantom In Brockton Bay (Worm/Danny Phantom)

Imo I think Danny would do pretty well since in Worm there’s no anti-ghost tech to harm or slow him down so that means he doesn’t have worry about any weakness or those countering him when he goes intangible, you know it would be funny if Danny just go intangible and just grabs a Endbringer core and fling it into outer space or better yet since Endbringer lack will compare to human since their more or less machines Danny can
just posses one with a bit of struggle. i suggest read up on Danny feats like the time he lifted a whole bus full of people easily among the few maybe check the wiki or other sites. There still capes that would exceed Danny in strength, speed, durability, blasting power etc but Danny versatility still would give him a edge on a lot of things well that and he usage of intangibility, possession, etc in which characters will have an extremely difficult time countering if at all

 

I never really thought of danny overshadowing a endbringer, but honestly it would probably be easy for him to do so. He was capable of overshadowing his own father who was known to have a strong will power and his father even was resistant to Vlad overshadowing him to for a moment. Danny also overshadowed a Vlad duplicate too and vlad definitely is up there in will power and also being a powerful ghost. So that is one way of taking down an endbringer.

The other way is a ghostly wail, which is honestly one of Danny's most overpowered abilities. We only see it used against ghost and buildings in detail. But I feel if it was used on humans then those people will be leaking out their brains through their ears. Since it counts as a vibrational attack on not only the physical level, but the spiritual level too. Scary stuff for a cartoon character than never really gets to use it. These are just two ways danny can take one down, which is a lot more than most people in worm can even do.

Funny how cartoon characters can be so broken when taken out of their own worlds. Imagine what Timmy Turner can do.

 

or imagine Ben 10 with all his aliens, Generator Rex may not be exactly that strong compare to others but his nano machines are still decent heck Rex is just as likely to hack an Endbringer give the opportunity to study and figure how they work, Bill Cipher(from Gravity falls) is basically over kill since there no method to kill him except by using the one from canon even then dump him in worm, Zion and the Endbringer will have no method to deal with him, Bill has the potential to kill either if give the opportunity. The power puff girls have variety of powers and are also ridiculous strong like Alexandria level and as fast as Legend since they can move fast enough to time travel tho they do suffer from inconsistency in power levels in which it will be up to fic author how they handle it but at their strongest interpretation those 3 girls can kill Endbringers, there’s also the my little pony top tiers or gods. Sorry for the long response anyway yeah if a few cartoons like Danny phantom, Ben 10 etc were taken seriously outside their worlds they would be op

 

I can def see Uber and Leet kicking his ass when they do a ghost buster stream, it could also be Luigi's Mansion stream

 

Ok, had to delete some stuff from the prologue. Just the Dani bit was deleted because I forgot she doesn’t even exist yet. Had to go and look at the episode order again of Danny phantom to really look at the timeline. My bad.

 

I'm not sure if he'll be as OP as some replies seem to think, because it feels like some multidimensional effects might have a good chance of working on him, seeing as there IS a whole Ghost-Zone dimension. Not even taking into account how some temporal locks or pocket dimensions would interfere with his phasing or overshadowing. And it probably won't be hard for a lot of tinkers to get a scan and space-whale at ectoplasm with their power/passenger/shard. Just feels like it could get weird fast after powers themselves are exposed to him.

Also, Master/Stranger is something they already deal with in Worm.

 

How would they know that? Or where they will pull that from just from sample? Thats stretching it too much just to make sure Danny gets counter for no reason other because people assume tinker can do that, Also why would multi dimensionsal stuff work on a literal ghost phasing ability, plus you said the ghost zone which doesn’t make sense Danny could still phase through stuff in the ghost Zone and also if your human your basically a ghost. Temporal or dimensional lock wouldn’t work or interfere either because his body became literally intangible and cant be affected by such powers if they try to hit him with, where are you pulling that from?

 

Ok, I'll admit that I didn't explain very clearly, it won't be an instant “Direct countermeasures for HIM specifically” type of situation, but the Fenton's (regular, if smart, humans) were able to design and build “Ecto-Tech” as a college experiment, are you telling me that no powers anywhere on Earth-Bet will be able to compare? Thinkers, Tinkers? Really smart scientists, DRAGON/AI Over Lady?

PRT already has M/S checks (including checking with thermal/pressure/other for invisible or shape-shifter Strangers, and passwords/behavior models for Masters) just as a matter of policy/protocol, even just thermal imaging should be able to spot him.

As for the Ghost-Zone thing, it is literally a different dimension, the MATTER in that dimension is made of ectoplasm and behaves as a ghost would (phasing through “normal” matter), him phasing through those were just him reverting to baseline human, but multiple powers “could” (theoretically) have effect (Labyrinth, Doormaker, Scrub, Lilly/Fléchette/Foil, Myrdin… all confirmed multidimensional effects), what with the way he can't phase through portals themselves (i.e., being pulled through one already in this story, instances from the show of him getting lost in Time/Space after portal/rift/Infini-Map mishaps)

But consider this, the Manton Effect, you know, that thing that says whether a power will or won't work on “LIVING” things? Wonder how Danny would react to Vista getting “spooked” and suddenly having his torso stretched a quarter mile long!


Also, I may be wrong here, but I thought all Earth-Bet powers were networked or something… And mostly multidimensional in nature anyway (Shards reaching across dimensions to generate/cause powers in the first place).
All it would take is for the first sample of Ectoplasm/Ecto-Energy to be seriously studied for most of his OP to deflate to more reasonable levels.

I'm not saying Danny will get bull rushed by everyone in the setting, I'm just saying it won't be a complete curb stomp in the other direction either.

(sorry for word vomit, not used to/good at translating thoughts to words)

Edit: These hurdles won't help anybody whose power is at least a little dependent on real/unaltered physics (early Skitter, Bitch/Hellhound/Rachel, Assault, Battery, Miss Militia, Aegis, Weld, ALL OF NEW WAVE, Skidmark, Mush, Kaiser, Lung, literally any Tinker before studying/learning of Ectoplasm)

Edit 2 “Redundant Bugaloo”: Don't know how Bakuda will pan out though… Can Danny phase through a BLACK-HOLE?! TIME-STOP BUBBLE?! (Clockwork exists… could affect Danny… TIME = VALID ISSUE!)

 

dude one Said humans are from a different world that isn’t exactly reality worm supposed base on our world and Danny phantom own isn’t just to make that clear dont use the argument of “regular smart humans” to support this I’ve seen many Vs thread that shut this down. Just because thinker or tinker figure out what he is they wont be able to counter Danny because its literally not in their specialization or knowledge of such technology your basically make up bs reason for why tinkers able to create ghost tech which the logic of it falls apart, your not the first to say “but tinkers can do this and that” when said tinkers couldn’t figure out a way to kill Endbringers despite literally getting chunks of them in fights. Also thermal vision method only works so far before Danny just phases through the floor and pops up again

now your just making stuff up and saying one compares to the other when it doesn’t you have literally zero proof or evidence of this, said portal he got pull to is literally ectoplasm ones which arent comparable and he wasnt even intangible when it happen, see this is the type of stuff saying all of sudden one power affect the other when Danny literally goes intangible he’s not launching his body into another dimensional to even be affect by sting more likely it will just pass through him multidimensional shit would do less then nothing to Danny once he goes intangible

…Danny is still a living thing Vista power would do nothing to him or he can just go intangible like usual, seriously where are you getting this from?

Yeah like I said wouldn’t work since tinkers having sample of Endbringer did nothing to kill them your just pulling a straw to avoid Danny from having an a power that cant be counter

at this point your really pulling at straws by using clockwork a literal ghost with time power and compare to worm own time powers by the way nice job ignoring the fact Danny didnt go intangible once in that fight against clockwork that whole fight and ignoring the fact Clockwork can counter not through his time powers but because he’s also a ghost and also what would a black hole do to someone that literally isn’t there and is no different then trying to harm a hologram
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What? No it wasnt human in there were ghost, basically the reverse he wasnt turn back into base and again Danny can still pass through stuff in the ghost zone once he go intangible episodes later

 

Let me answer some of these for the story.

When Danny goes into an intangible state he transitions into a non matter form. So unless your a ghost the chances of affecting him in that state are slim to none.

the vista thing where she can stretch him may work, but at the same time it wouldn’t kill Danny. His body has been shown to go through moments of complete shifting in the show. He was literally turned into puddle like state at one point but just reformed his body. So stretching is non-fatal.

The black whole theory wouldn’t work because ghost aren’t affected by laws of gravity. Danny can be in perfect equilibrium no matter how he stands or goes. Also becoming intangible once again negates the effects of gravity. The only time he gets sucked into stuff during the show is either by a ghost with abilities to pull things or a thermos specially designed for ghost

as for the tinkers and thinkers theory. I honestly don’t think they would be able to figure it out. My reasoning for this is because thinkers and tinkers need some for a basis to work on or a specialty that can’t be changed too much. If they do get some ectoplasm, it would just be like a new form of energy. Doesn’t mean they will have the answers to make portals to the ghost zone on first look. There’s no fact to state it even comes from some other dimension (at least from what they know). It will be more like a mystery goo/liquid to them.

 

Edit: NINJA'D BY AUTHOR-SAMA!
I will abide Author-Sama's word, but will leave up my post as it took a while to type up for me, and some points not directly veto'd by Author-Sama may still be valid.

Shards, you know? Source of powers? Things that LITERALLY MADE ENDBRINGERS?! They were LIMITED SPECIFICALLY to prevent them from working against Endbringers and ENTITIES when they arrived.
Not ghosts… why wouldn't they, when NOT FORBIDDEN, be able to use the GIANT, CONTINENT SIZED SUPERCOMPUTERS THEY ARE to crack Ectoplasm?

Edit5 "The Wut-ening": Looking over this again, it came out WAY more insulting than I thought it did, I was more asking if you could point me at any sources that could prove OR disprove my theory… I honestly don't know why it came out this way, but people IRL have mistaken me speaking what I thought was normally as me being upset or angry, I may need to work on this.

Do you have proof that he doesn't? Has his phasing ever been explained? Could he not maybe be moving some of himself into the Ghost-Zone to bypass the Human Realm?
Ectoplasm portal? So he could have avoided it by turning human?
Then I guess he could have just phased through the INTERDIMENSIONAL PORTAL THAT BROUGHT HIM HERE… Oh, wait, no he couldn't.

Your argument for him being as OP as you say is that “he is ghost, he can phase through, ghost phase different from shard phase” GHOST = DEAD, DEAD = NOT LIVING, NOT LIVING = INVERTED MANTON EFFECT = Faultline could cut, Crusader projections can't touch, and VISTA CAN STRETCH! It might just be inverted when he is ghost form or not, I don't know, author fiat and all that.
And Vista doesn't stretch “Things In Space”, She stretches SPACE ITSELF in her area of influence, artificially limited to areas with non-living things by her shard.

Edit2 “The Re-Doing”: As Author-Sama has said these might be true, although the damage caused may be so miniscule as to be ignored outright.

See Above About Powers Being SPECIFICALLY LIMITED AGAINST ENDBRINGERS/ENTITIES! And even then later chapters have it being discovered that they are “Impossibly dense” and “Fractal Crystalline Structure” by powers that were LIMITED AGAINST THEM.

Oh yes, the ghost whose power is TIME, being a ghost doesn't change the fact that TIME is what he influences that then influences Danny, it's the TIME part not the GHOST part that makes him so powerful, or are you saying that the Box Ghost or the Ectopus could destroy Earth-Bet?

Edit3 “Edit HARDER”: Author-Sama has stated phasing includes limited immunity to all laws of physics (limited so only ghosts or Ecto-tech can affect), making gravity irrelevant.

“what would a black hole do to someone that literally isn’t there and is no different then trying to harm a hologram”… Did you just ask how a thing that can trap and absorb everything up to and including LIGHT could possibly damage a thing MADE OF LIGHT? Nevermind the fact that Danny doesn't go flying off into space every time he phases, so gravity must still affect him even phased (flight lets him fight gravity, not ignore it). I doubt he has ever flown fast enough to keep pace with the planet if his phasing worked against gravity.
Hologram=Light, Light=Affected by time and GRAVITY(dangerous part of interacting with black hole)… Time also would affect ghosts, maybe not as much as humans, but Danny is half human, or are you saying that he doesn't experience time like normal? Does he not age? Could he phase through TIME ITSELF?! Even if he could phase out, if he was frozen in time (less than 0.000000001 seconds pass for him, 10,000 years for area outside time stop) how could he even know he needs to phase, or can he sense the passage of time beyond his own senses? And react FASTER THAN THOUGHT?! OR LIGHT?!
I don't think facts matter to you anymore, you just don't like someone disagreeing with a power-wank you enjoy… (not going to lie I DO like the story so far too, so not mad about this)

I don't think we will agree on this, I can see some of where you're coming from on this, I also feel that my points have a decent grounding in what is known from both settings (Danny Phantom is one of my favorite cartoons, Worm is one of my favorite web novels), and I thought my points did a good job of trying to point out interactions between two different (FICTIONAL) sets of laws of physics, what with Ghosts/Ectoplasm being completely absent from Worm and Giant, Multidimensional Space-Whales being completely absent from Danny Phantom.

I think I'm done being accused of not knowing the source material when the other side is inferring as much if not more about the mechanics involved.
Goodbye.

Edit4 “The Retconning”: While applying other edits, noticed unintentional attitude in post… Am sorry, no insult intended, am bad at “people”.

 

Yeah no, that only works on thinkers or specifically precogs in which their power doesn’t work or blaster powers that arent hax not on tinkers, where are you getting this from? Tinkers dont get block at all, Their isn’t anything forbidding tinkers from it hell they can even clone Endbringer willing to give someone may be able to clone Danny and that its. Also nice argument using continent size super computer can just crack ectoplasm which would do nothing, as the author already answe it for me.

…so basically you provided zero proof and try to reverse this on me, also the author already explains how intangibility but you Just making shit up on when it literally isn’t how you portrayed because your basing it on worm powers and not on the cartoon. Also it was a ectoplasm portal nice way to ignore that tiny fact but I guess maybe it you trying to downplay Ghost and wank worm, oh wait said portal are the ghost zone I guess that still doesn’t mean anything.

seriously? Faultline would do nothing same with Crusader and others and here you throwing inverted Manton affect like it means anything.
Edit: the author already answer this but my point still stands it wouldnt have too much affect

Yes powers limited against them for example because a Endbringer warping space affect it counter Chevalier own power base on it but tinkers arent like that since they lack the knowledge to figure out how kill one(well except using hax) despite getting the material for it and dont know what to with it, same would happen with ectoplasm your ignoring that fact and are assume the can pull that knowledge out of nowhere without supporting anything about it, stick to facts not fiction or headcanon

here we go again, are you ignoring the fact the only method to affect a ghost is another ghost or ghost tech? Also I think your losing it where did pull the box ghost destroying earth bet from?

The author already explain every time Danny goes intangible he ignores gravity and other stuff your whole black hole argument fall to pieces and isn’t even valid same for dimensional stuff, your just ignoring because you want to wank worm, you provide no supporting facts, made up some theories and honestly it is you that doesn’t care of facts when you making fictional ones out of your head, you just dont want Danny to have an advantage in worm because it would be unfair and think it will turn into stomp story that your so scare off it honestly sad, the author obviously will try to avoid it and still add tension, you said you arent mad but are trying provide some inane logic to Danny powers by using worm as basis that never works, while ignoring the fact there are still things that can threaten Danny since Danny cant always remain intangible.

yes we wont agree but you don’t understand where I coming from obviously enough I’ve read worm and WoG, your point arent grounding at all because your using worm as a basis which doesn’t again work out, you said Danny phantom is favorite show but you’ve proven nothing on the point your trying to make on both fictional story by trying to make an interaction over to sources power that wouldn’t make sense, I’ve seen crossover before that done similar and made it clear it separate and not the same. Dont try to bridge a gap that cant be close just because you think it works that way

“Inferring much if not more” that hypocrisy, also I found more fault with your logic more then anything else, by the way you seem to ignore the fact tinkers can’t Just pull of knowledge out of nowhere but the guess that isn’t anything knew after “continent size computer can figure anything out” seriously there’s issues with this.
anyway have good day too

 

I am a slow typer, and don't quite “get” people, but some of your responses feel insulting for no reason beyond it disagrees with your opinion.
(Edit2 “The My Bad-ening”: In response to a response, this response doesn't feel very responsible of me anymore… I dun goofed, sorry about that)

If you would re-check my earlier post you can see where I agreed with “Author-Sama” in edits so it didn't interrupt with multi-post clarifications of my points being re-hashed.

I think I just remembered why it took so long for me to post instead of just lurking here…

Edit “The Resolve-ening”: Looking back, I can see it now, sorry. As I said, “getting people” is hard for me. Putting this here so thread watchers don't get false-hope of an update.

Edit3 “The Re-Read-ening”: After having gone back and found some edits poking holes in my points I concede that I don't have as good a grasp of Danny Phantom as I thought I did, (fannon overwriting cannon in my headspace) also my point about shards “cracking” ectoplasm wasn't so much “They can do whatever they want with it” and was more “They know it exists and can study its effects on reality now”, I can see this leading to a new trigger having a shard dedicated to making Ectoplasm just as a “What if…”, especially since the shards are looking into energy, entropy and related fields.

Edit4 “The Running-Out-Of-Puns-ening”: Sorry, meant it more as “Nearby Shards budded after exposure and tried to use Ectoplasm in configuration somehow, even if just as energy source/goop to throw at enemies.”, not so much a shard dedicated to studying it.

 

It wasnt meant to, I try to remain mostly sarcastic or neutral but your own response wasnt exactly helping either when you trying state as fact somethings functioning or affecting them same when it isn’t. Its like saying someone like Hatchet face can shut down magic because his trump power shut off field. At least im
willing to say I’m sorry if I offended you and I should express myself more clearly by trying to explain it better.
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Not sure, you have to assume a lot plus with Eden dead it will make a far more difficult endeavor since she was the brain of the operations. A new shard that studies ectoplasm is stretching too far imo like the author said at most they’ll see it as interesting goop energy more or less

 

Not to mention that he can imitate the powers of other ghosts seen in the series such as blad and his duplication or the gostly wail of his mauve future version that clearly after agreeing with vlad's was different (although I think it is a copy of ember's powers)

 

or jimmy neutron or maybe both

 

God, it's been a long time since I read such a long discussion outside of a versus thread, I like to see that, now going to the subject of powers, I think it is necessary to say that Danny needed to recover his senses or it will happen to him like the clone of spiderman who created a new power due to stress, his ice powers could mutate and create fire powers or something I don't know, (if I realized how silly it sounds) well I just want to see a good fight where danny makes jokes and stuff .
Now to survive I speculate that he is going to rob the gangs.
since the boys in white could have left a bad impression on the government (someone look at the timeline and tell me if you already knew them) so asking the PRT for help is out of the question.

 

Danny knew the guys in white already at this point. They were one of the ghost hunters after Danny when Vlad put up a bounty in season 1. Danny was able to imitate powers because he has a very small power absorption ability applied to his ghost shields. Was how he was able to have vortex's weather control abilities for a little bit. Though sometimes the abilities he gains from it are short lived, other times they are permanent.

Also, a little confused on the powers section of your comment. Maybe it was the way it was written, but I had a hard time understanding what was trying to be said.

 

Shit I forgot he had Dan with him! Also please let Tattletales shard not work on him or have it spazz out whenever she tries. Also let him have the credit for beating the hell outta Lung.

Also awesome update

 

totally agree, but he has an in his thermos that doesn't mean that by absorbing him (I mean danny absorbs the ghost dan) and he could gain a power increase, because we all know that the thermos won't last forever, it was a fact in the series that if the same continued, dan would escape

 

I hope Danny avoids the usual trope of worm when the undersiders gets involve and allows to just leave, their literal criminals the moment tattletale or any undersider decides to announce their villains I doubt Danny will just let them go no matter the reason they give and the undersiders have zero method to slow him down or even beat Danny in a fight. So im confuse why would tattletale allow the team to approach a genuinely heroic character that wouldn’t hesitate to arrest instead of just running away. Also please avoid the fanon thing with Armsmaster too, Taylor found him charismatic and social in their first encounter and his reason for taking credit was sensible since she was a cape that was alone with no backup that would have ended up dead if people knew of her involvement in the Lung take down. Also I doubt Danny cares much about reputation at this point.

 

Technically Dan shouldn't exist anymore unless sometime in the future Danny finds a way back home. Since if hes not in his home universe than the creation of Dan cant happen since he is a fusion of Danny and Plasmius.

Also trying to absorb Dan sounds like a ridiculously dumb idea.

 

I know but bha I leave it in the hands of the author that I like what he wrote so far.

 

There is a dany phantom vs American dragon death battle on YouTube.i am realy liking where this is going. I also recommend that you don't fall for the sleepery slop that is character bashing, nothing good can come from it

 

Okay, watched. But pleace, not too much angsty Danny.

Danny stealing the win probably will make Taylor less willing to, well, escalate. Because she doesn't remember winning over one of the stronges parahumans (and what this about him not being in the A list?) but being saved in desperate situation.

Danny being traumatized by Dan's destructive nature pretty recently gives no real chance for villians like Tattletale to seduce him to the life of crime.

Now, Dan is less of problem than he seems. He probably gonna try to pwn endbringers pretty fast, after some terapeutical self-beating, and eiher gonna be pwned himself or some of the Mechanisms of Destruction will be rekt. Because there just nothing of interest for him around.
I just hope it's not going to be another plot of "Dan destroying DF reputation and Danny forced to live throught consequences".

And power wise, Danny is pretty much Siberian Light but with more of actual skills and esotheric (haha) arsenal.
He also become stronger than Dan in canon pretty fast, so yeah. Not surprising considering that Dan is Danny with a habbit to follow easy road.

Wonder about quips. He isn't the mood for now, understandingly, but I want quips.

 

The A list bit was just a nod to the canon story because when Taylor researched different gangs and stuff inside Brockton Bay, Lung was not listed so high for some reason.

I’ll try not to make him too angsty because I myself am not a fan off too much too. But do expect him to have some real down moments. He is only 14 and everything he knows is basically gone at the moment. The only real thing that keeps him going is the thought of clockwork being able to fix this for him. So he really hasn’t let it all sink in at the moment due to pushing it off to focus on getting home.

Also what was the meaning of pwn?

 

PWNing somebody is having completely dominating victory over him.

And good job with staying away from all that competitive MMO.

 

Gaming term. The p and the o are right next to each other on the keyboard so sometimes p got typed instead of o. Particularly when someone was celebrating a victory and the winner was trying to say that the he owned the other guy. Look up Urban Dictionary. It's an online site that has alot if definitions for slang of all kinds.