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I look forward to it! Also, I'd like to thank you for the hard work you put into crafting this tale - it has been gripping, funny, and so very worth reading.
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I look forward to it! Also, I'd like to thank you for the hard work you put into crafting this tale - it has been gripping, funny, and so very worth reading.
I'm really liking your epilogue. Just wish we'd seen a bit of Molly.
Thank you for an excellent and entertaining side story.
Will Dresden's visit - and sorcerer guy's death at the hands of the murderbots - be considered canon for The Return?
I like how you have tied this up - I can't wait for their further adventures. Thanks be to you and your friends for crafting this.
Nice! That's a great feeling to have when the story's over.It's certainly been a ride and left me wanting for more, but in the looking for the next story way rather than the feeling that it wasn't complete.
No worries; I dare say you may be making up for it now ^^;;Ugh, I've been so busy and it's been forever since I left a comment here.
I will say that part of the rewrite is putting in more hints to Cecilia and her girls earlier on.And when she appears having her show up a bit more. But don't want to have her be /too/ blatant.The parts with Cecilia were well done. Up until this point she has just been there. Lurking in the background as part of the supporting cast. Contributing to character bloat. What does she even do? It felt like she just showed up one day to highlight the consequences of Alexia's bad choices with her sob story but didn't actually contribute much until later when she worked with Eve t try to get Ranma to unwind with the date. Initially, it felt like she was just running around in the background being 'devious and unassuming' here as well. Then the mental manipulation thing came out and everything she had done up to then was put in a different light. There was more character development - or reveal, I suppose - in that conversation with Harry than it felt like Ranma had in an arc. I am now on board with the idea that Cecilia is a good addition to the cast, and I'm going to pay attention to what she does in the future. I'm trying to remember if Cecilia has a psychiatric degree or not because that could be an interesting way to help her family cope and deal with their myriad issues.
Harry's interactions with Nodoka was enjoyable. The transition from trying to think of her as 'not mom' to Mother and the events surrounding them was a pleasure.
I had a debate on having him show up, but I felt that having two gonzo wizards would have things get.... too explody.I had been expecting Murdoch to make an appearance, but I suppose he's learned his lesson and ran far away from Canada after his chat with the Company.
Excellent. Eve has been a great character given the... balance she gives to Ranma. As you point out they can hand off which one is the "mature one". It's been very interesting to reread (and edit) the early chapters. Both to see how they interacted before Eve changed, and how Eve was as a young succubus, and a new mother.Eve continues to be my favorite character of the bunch with her daughters being high on the list, though. I think it's the combination of practicality, maturity that came with their human age and work professionalism, and the internal conflict that stems from Eve's human family history and the change in her daughters' lives. Though I also enjoy the dynamic between Eve ad Ranma as well - how they sort of shift back and forth between which one acts as the older sister depending on the situation they find themselves in to support each other. The talk to Harry about how she had no new nieces via the D Program was a good look into her character and reinforced that she's my favorite cast member.
Hehehe. Oh there's been some hints given about Galina and the lamented de Veste. Galina does have some fun points of contrast with Ranma. What's interesting is those two haven't really met much, so it was nice to have them interact where there is the tension of violence, but those two (at least) don't come to blows. And yah, the other Numbers wouldn't want to abandon their leader and familyThe most surprising thing that happened in the story for me was when Galina killed her contracted wizard, but after her reasonable explanation on why she did it, her actions made sense. Her offering herself up to Ranma in a one on one fight to protect her siblings both was and was not surprising. It's in her character to be self sacrificing, but I hadn't expected she would think she would need to be given the confidence she and the others have in their skills, but I suppose this contract has caused them to at the very least respect Ranma's brood and the Company. However, I get the feeling Galina's sisters aren't going to willingly leave her behind to save themselves.
Ah Old Man Harry and Maggie. Glad those two came off well. They were also fun for the contrast and the Easter eggs that were hinted at with both. There's also the fun of grizzled old assassin Harry meeting succubus HarryThe alternate versions of Harry and Maggie was a surprise, but it's a great big multi-verse and there's a threat to reality so additional heavy hitters from elsewhere aren't too big of a deal. Uriel explicitly stating Pluto is The Gate and Key was a nice confirmation to what I've been able to puzzle out, but it didn't jump out as much as Usagi's apparent lack of a soul to soulgaze. That has all sorts of interesting Implications for The Return. Mab's decision to make out with Harry as soon as she showed up was also something I wasn't expecting, but with the exception of Harry's transformation into being a succubus - which was an "I should have seen this coming" moment - there weren't any big plot twists or turns. It was just a well executed setup and follow-through that was enjoyable.
Excellent! That is exactly what I wanted the epilogue to do, and why I fretted over how to get it across without becoming a book in and of itself.Then there's the epilogue. It nicely and neatly answered all the major and immediate questions that revolved around Harry's return home. Now there's just the long term questions like 'will Harry get additional daughters and sisters?' or 'what will happen when BlackSky inevitably visits her newest grandaughter?'
Oooooh. You did cover a lot of the character points already.Is there any particular piece or facet of the story you would like additional comments or thoughts on, Sunshine Temple?
Wait. Really? Huh, okay. But yes, it is rather obvious in hindsight and your pre-reader's assessment was accurate.
That's another thing I like about her that I hadn't managed to put into words.Eve is fun given how she can so well play the role of "straight man", amongst her sisters.
I wonder if BlackSky will name Harry as her diplomat - or their collective diplomat to her - just for laughs and to secure Harry against potential harm. It's the sort of thing I could see an ancient, family minded busybody like BlackSky doing.(Which puts up the question of... diplomacy given Harry is still in the Council and, of course, is Mab's)
I'm going to have to put the caveat that I haven't gotten to them yet in my reading of the actual Dresden Files. I'm at the part in the first book where Harry has just figured out the practitioner/s who murdered Marcone's man (and inadvertently framed Dresden) did so because there's a drug/gang war with magical drugs.What about Tessa's plan (and how she was played) and Nicodemus (though he had just one scene)? I tried to have the villains fit in with both the Return and the Dresden files.
You are welcome. I wish I had the time earlier to comment when the chapters were fresh.
Wait. Really? Huh, okay. But yes, it is rather obvious in hindsight and your pre-reader's assessment was accurate.
That's another thing I like about her that I hadn't managed to put into words.
I wonder if BlackSky will name Harry as her diplomat - or their collective diplomat to her - just for laughs and to secure Harry against potential harm. It's the sort of thing I could see an ancient, family minded busybody like BlackSky doing.
I'm going to have to put the caveat that I haven't gotten to them yet in my reading of the actual Dresden Files. I'm at the part in the first book where Harry has just figured out the practitioner/s who murdered Marcone's man (and inadvertently framed Dresden) did so because there's a drug/gang war with magical drugs.
I've been trying to read the stupid thing for over a year and things keep coming up.
However, in an attempt to know who's who here, in Todeswind's stories over on SB, and a few over places, I have trawled through the wiki, TV Tropes page, and Jumpchain (it's sort of a points-buy self insert thing).
So, as an outsider without real knowledge of how Butcher portrays Tessa and Nicky coming at this cold, it makes sense and you did well handling it. You gave the right amount of information to frame, set up, and mostly explain Tessa's motive, desires, and plan while giving yourself enough wiggle room to modify things and give it some sense of 'we can't really know what the madwoman is thinking.' Tessa was probably one of the better choices of villains for this particular outing. There are exceptionally few beings who have the knowledge and capability to go to another world and are willing to work with Outsiders. The only other two options I can think off the top of my head who would fit would be the Red Court - but Ranma has already killed vamps left, right, and center - and Maeve - which would have put a whole host of limits on what Harry could do.
While the audience knows Tessa was played via the incomplete book and a number of other points, I don't recall seeing her reaction to any of it. That might just be because my memory isn't as good as I'd like, though. Still, it feels like a lot of the playing and betrayal is left open to interpretation, and I'm sure Tessa was playing them as much as she was being played in a mutual using each other sort of way. Intellectually, I knew there was a lot going on behind the scenes, but I didn't feel it. It didn't seem like their paths had reached the point where their goals diverged by the end battle. It's sort of like if after Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia conquered Poland,Dresden and a small armyScandinavia invadedto stop their Outsider summoningand kicked them out before Hitler could invade Russia and Stalin could lament that he didn't have the resources to invade Germany first. It was there, it was a thing, but it didn't resonate much with me and I was far more interested in the story of Dresden: the newborn succubus. It didn't feel like it was there just to be there for the sake of showing how treacherous all the villains were, but when I look back and try to remember it, it did feel more stock than other parts of the story.
Mostly, Tessa comes across as being in the 'anger and bargaining' portion of the stages of grief and wanting to absolutely destroy Nicodemus. There was a certain air of desperation to her actions, and she was brutal, but she was also cunning enough to do a lot of work behind the scenes and achieve her mission priorities while the Company and associates were either trying to catch up with her or distracted by something else she did as well as canny enough to know when to cut her losses up to her endgame. That all makes sense - you don't get to be a multi-millennia old monster without knowing when you need to cut and run to survive. You did a good job on that. It also added to the sense of just how dangerous she was. World ending plots are a dime a dozen - Dr. Evil had one, but he's not someone who I can take seriously as a threat. Tessa felt like an extremely credible threat - and this is part of why I feel the playing on the sides of evil was more academic than anything to actually consider. Between the threat Tessa presented and the 'letter of the deal' Nicodemus had when he talked to Dresden, I was fairly certain whatever the werewolves tried would eventually end in their painful deaths when Tessa got around to her sudden and inevitable betrayal of them.
The part with Nicodemus was rather concerning with regards to Tessa.
This might be a 'know enough information to be dangerous but not enough to be right' scenarios on my part, though. I've seen a couple different portrayals of the Denarians, and they range from 'for the evulz' to the extreme of 'cruel to be kind.' And most of the time I've seen them, they don't deal with Outsiders. Usually, they've got fallen angels over their shoulders - things that are pillars of creation, play by the exact letters of the rule, and generally dislike Outsiders since they want to end/eat/accidentally creation while the fallen would rather it stay around. It's usually only the evulz Denarians who play with Outsiders. I had assumed Tessa was either evulz or had gone so far over the despair event horizon that she felt entirely fine being the guy from Dr. Strangelove who rode a nuke to Russia while waving his cowboy hat.
But Nicky's part made me question that. Nicky hinted at Tessa being corrupted by Nemesis the same way that a number of other characters in The Dresden Files were. Characters who had a sudden departure from their standard modus operandi and instead opted to throw in with Outsiders. Tessa, unlike all the others, had a fallen angel riding shotgun throughout her entire escapade, and said fallen had enough sway to convince Tessa to choose death instead of giving up the coin. This leads to two potentially horrific points when looking back at the story - 1). Tessa's fallen might have been corrupted by Outsiders, or 2). Tessa's fallen was aware of Tessa's corruption and saved Dresden from having an Outsider infected daughter.
And Nicky's terrified.
As for Nicodemus, he came across as the standard Nicodemus I've been exposed to. Affably evil who will invite you to tea with a promise of truce during it but not mention he's hired The Numbers to assassinate you as soon as you leave his immediate presence. Is annoyingly persistent in a way not unlike a glacier carving out hunks of land - he has time, and he's seen enough to feel confident in the inevitability of his victory. He also knows when to admit defeat and fold his cards. He probably didn't fight Harry because it would have been a waste of time in addition to it damaging whatever he did to Harry's office and floor. He gave Harry enough information to get Harry thinking but not enough for him to draw a conclusion beyond the obvious Harry already knew without having to think which either indicates he knows Harry well if that's what he wanted or not well enough if he wanted Harry to pick up the potential Outsider connection - both of which are possible since he gave Harry Lasciel's coin but Lash failed to ensnare Dresden.
Yes, a fairly well done if standard Nicodemus if the other things I've read are anywhere near accurate when it comes to his character. I was a little surprised he didn't comment on Tessa's motives, but it could have easily been that he didn't want to think about how he killed his daughter.
You are welcome. I wish I had the time earlier to comment when the chapters were fresh.
It's more that things keep coming up in the rest of my life and interrupt my attempts to read the book. I'm enjoying it, but I prioritized reading Blood Debts over the actual source material.Honestly, if you're having issues with book 1, skip it. Skip book 2 while your'e at it. Read Grave Peril onward, and then go back and read the first two books.
Thank you. Parts of it are also paranoid, but given how things tend to turn out in the fanon things I've read, being paranoid just means you acknowledge they're out to get you. Hopefully I'll be able to plug the holes with what Butcher actually wrote.That's a creative... and absurdly well thought-out observation set. For someone who has only really gotten wiki-walk info and some fanon... there's a few things you're missing, but not as much as you might think.
I'm glad you did as well.
Wait. Really? Huh, okay. But yes, it is rather obvious in hindsight and your pre-reader's assessment was accurate.
Eve is the one that thinks long term and how to make sure things keep working.That's another thing I like about her that I hadn't managed to put into words.
BlackSky does want to make sure Harry is doing well. And by doing well "how is your plan to infiltrate and take over the world? Your sisters are doing very nicely"I wonder if BlackSky will name Harry as her diplomat - or their collective diplomat to her - just for laughs and to secure Harry against potential harm. It's the sort of thing I could see an ancient, family minded busybody like BlackSky doing.
I will have to second Ellf. Skip the first couple books. You won't miss anything, and the quality goes up quite a bit.I'm going to have to put the caveat that I haven't gotten to them yet in my reading of the actual Dresden Files. I'm at the part in the first book where Harry has just figured out the practitioner/s who murdered Marcone's man (and inadvertently framed Dresden) did so because there's a drug/gang war with magical drugs.
I've been trying to read the stupid thing for over a year and things keep coming up.
Ooooh. Do tell.However, in an attempt to know who's who here, in Todeswind's stories over on SB, and a few over places, I have trawled through the wiki, TV Tropes page, and Jumpchain (it's sort of a points-buy self insert thing).
So, as an outsider without real knowledge of how Butcher portrays Tessa and Nicky coming at this cold, it makes sense and you did well handling it. You gave the right amount of information to frame, set up, and mostly explain Tessa's motive, desires, and plan while giving yourself enough wiggle room to modify things and give it some sense of 'we can't really know what the madwoman is thinking.' Tessa was probably one of the better choices of villains for this particular outing. There are exceptionally few beings who have the knowledge and capability to go to another world and are willing to work with Outsiders. The only other two options I can think off the top of my head who would fit would be the Red Court - but Ranma has already killed vamps left, right, and center - and Maeve - which would have put a whole host of limits on what Harry could do.
You're correct.While the audience knows Tessa was played via the incomplete book and a number of other points, I don't recall seeing her reaction to any of it. That might just be because my memory isn't as good as I'd like, though. Still, it feels like a lot of the playing and betrayal is left open to interpretation, and I'm sure Tessa was playing them as much as she was being played in a mutual using each other sort of way. Intellectually, I knew there was a lot going on behind the scenes, but I didn't feel it. It didn't seem like their paths had reached the point where their goals diverged by the end battle. It's sort of like if after Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia conquered Poland,Dresden and a small armyScandinavia invadedto stop their Outsider summoningand kicked them out before Hitler could invade Russia and Stalin could lament that he didn't have the resources to invade Germany first. It was there, it was a thing, but it didn't resonate much with me and I was far more interested in the story of Dresden: the newborn succubus. It didn't feel like it was there just to be there for the sake of showing how treacherous all the villains were, but when I look back and try to remember it, it did feel more stock than other parts of the story.
Heh, my refrain for Tessa was "she's a cockroach", tenacious and hard to kill. And yeah, Old Nicklehead is somone she hates with a passion, and /him/ killing /her/ daughter?Mostly, Tessa comes across as being in the 'anger and bargaining' portion of the stages of grief and wanting to absolutely destroy Nicodemus. There was a certain air of desperation to her actions, and she was brutal, but she was also cunning enough to do a lot of work behind the scenes and achieve her mission priorities while the Company and associates were either trying to catch up with her or distracted by something else she did as well as canny enough to know when to cut her losses up to her endgame. That all makes sense - you don't get to be a multi-millennia old monster without knowing when you need to cut and run to survive. You did a good job on that. It also added to the sense of just how dangerous she was. World ending plots are a dime a dozen - Dr. Evil had one, but he's not someone who I can take seriously as a threat. Tessa felt like an extremely credible threat - and this is part of why I feel the playing on the sides of evil was more academic than anything to actually consider. Between the threat Tessa presented and the 'letter of the deal' Nicodemus had when he talked to Dresden, I was fairly certain whatever the werewolves tried would eventually end in their painful deaths when Tessa got around to her sudden and inevitable betrayal of them.
Recall one of Mab's warnings in when Harry summoned her.The part with Nicodemus was rather concerning with regards to Tessa.
This might be a 'know enough information to be dangerous but not enough to be right' scenarios on my part, though. I've seen a couple different portrayals of the Denarians, and they range from 'for the evulz' to the extreme of 'cruel to be kind.' And most of the time I've seen them, they don't deal with Outsiders. Usually, they've got fallen angels over their shoulders - things that are pillars of creation, play by the exact letters of the rule, and generally dislike Outsiders since they want to end/eat/accidentally creation while the fallen would rather it stay around. It's usually only the evulz Denarians who play with Outsiders. I had assumed Tessa was either evulz or had gone so far over the despair event horizon that she felt entirely fine being the guy from Dr. Strangelove who rode a nuke to Russia while waving his cowboy hat.
But Nicky's part made me question that. Nicky hinted at Tessa being corrupted by Nemesis the same way that a number of other characters in The Dresden Files were. Characters who had a sudden departure from their standard modus operandi and instead opted to throw in with Outsiders. Tessa, unlike all the others, had a fallen angel riding shotgun throughout her entire escapade, and said fallen had enough sway to convince Tessa to choose death instead of giving up the coin. This leads to two potentially horrific points when looking back at the story - 1). Tessa's fallen might have been corrupted by Outsiders, or 2). Tessa's fallen was aware of Tessa's corruption and saved Dresden from having an Outsider infected daughter.
And Nicky's terrified.
But that's probably something for a sequel.
Quite so.As for Nicodemus, he came across as the standard Nicodemus I've been exposed to. Affably evil who will invite you to tea with a promise of truce during it but not mention he's hired The Numbers to assassinate you as soon as you leave his immediate presence. Is annoyingly persistent in a way not unlike a glacier carving out hunks of land - he has time, and he's seen enough to feel confident in the inevitability of his victory. He also knows when to admit defeat and fold his cards. He probably didn't fight Harry because it would have been a waste of time in addition to it damaging whatever he did to Harry's office and floor. He gave Harry enough information to get Harry thinking but not enough for him to draw a conclusion beyond the obvious Harry already knew without having to think which either indicates he knows Harry well if that's what he wanted or not well enough if he wanted Harry to pick up the potential Outsider connection - both of which are possible since he gave Harry Lasciel's coin but Lash failed to ensnare Dresden.
Yes, a fairly well done if standard Nicodemus if the other things I've read are anywhere near accurate when it comes to his character. I was a little surprised he didn't comment on Tessa's motives, but it could have easily been that he didn't want to think about how he killed his daughter.
No worries, your comments now more than make up for it.You are welcome. I wish I had the time earlier to comment when the chapters were fresh.
Speaking as said prereader, I'm happy that it turned out as well as it did.
What I love is that, given her background, her job, and what she is, she is /totally/ a refuge in audacity character.
*coughs* That is in the plan. As always it's a matter of time.Now, wouldn't that be something? Of course, we'd need new Return chapters first. *Pointedly looks at Sunshine Temple*
That is good advice.Honestly, if you're having issues with book 1, skip it. Skip book 2 while your'e at it. Read Grave Peril onward, and then go back and read the first two books.
Yah that was scary good.That's a creative... and absurdly well thought-out observation set. For someone who has only really gotten wiki-walk info and some fanon... there's a few things you're missing, but not as much as you might think. Alas, that is something for a—
Yeah, that.
Heh, yes Ellf does take a lot of blame for this ;p
Oh.... well ain't that something. ^^;;It's more that things keep coming up in the rest of my life and interrupt my attempts to read the book. I'm enjoying it, but I prioritized reading Blood Debts over the actual source material.
Seems pretty legit to me. I won't claim the best knowledge of the DF canon. But I did troll it pretty deep to get things to connect up to help with Blood DebtsThank you. Parts of it are also paranoid, but given how things tend to turn out in the fanon things I've read, being paranoid just means you acknowledge they're out to get you. Hopefully I'll be able to plug the holes with what Butcher actually wrote.
Yah, and the knock down effects should be quite nice.
Aww thanks!Also, since I forgot to say this earlier - Sunshine Temple, I enjoyed reading Blood Debts and look forward to the next thing you write.
Yes, yes it does.In fairness Blood Debts does have better succubae than the novels.
That's getting added to my reading list.Now if you're interested in more Dresden fics, I know a certain writer here, who also posts here, that you may be interested in.
Red court is extinct, Black court is basically Bram Stoker vamps which she's murdered in droves (though that first one would give her issues), and White court are emotivores. I'm thinking there's a branch of the White court that feeds on confidence or the Raiths will somehow unlock her lust and she won't know how to deal with that since she's repressed her sexuality so hard. Cecilia will have to rescue her poor sister.She will find out that there are some Dresden Verse vamps that she'd have... trouble with.
Ranma did kick their sister out of a perfectly good helicopter and plane for flight lessons. I'm pretty sure he's already decided she is insane without directly interacting with her.
This sounds like a lead in to a Hellsing Abridged/The Return crossover. WIC gets hired after the Valentine Brothers' assault on Hellsing, they muscle out the Wild Geese due to the WICs competence and familiarity of the supernatural, Alucard makes a crack about Morgan's anti-material rifle and how bitches love cannons before proudly declaring the Police Girl's is larger in a way that could insinuate he's talking about her rifle or tits, Ranma ponders the recurring theme of meeting Vatican members in museums, and then they're on a plane to Brazil to eat the police and confirm that it's the Nazis behind it all. Meanwhile, Eve is doing sneaky spy stuff and basically causes Millennium's invasion to be stillborn.Annnd, there is another Vampire, from allies across the pond, that she would... have trouble in a fight against, but could make a fair drinkin' buddy.
Right, I forgot that part. That adds to the whole being played aspect, and the part with her adviser keeps things high on the paranoia scale. It also makes it more plausible that there's a coup in the works that Nicodemus might fall victim to rather than just Outsiders mucking about.Bascially Tessa didn't know it was an Outsider, outsider she was sumoning. She thought it was some nasty old god.
Sure, I've got a couple.Now, do you have any questions about Blood Debts of the future stuff?
Though the White Court aren't really demons.... or they're more possessed by a demonic entity.
Cool! I think you'll like it.
Red court is extinct, Black court is basically Bram Stoker vamps which she's murdered in droves (though that first one would give her issues), and White court are emotivores. I'm thinking there's a branch of the White court that feeds on confidence or the Raiths will somehow unlock her lust and she won't know how to deal with that since she's repressed her sexuality so hard. Cecilia will have to rescue her poor sister.
Sure, though Thomas is assuming some of it is exaggerated.Ranma did kick their sister out of a perfectly good helicopter and plane for flight lessons. I'm pretty sure he's already decided she is insane without directly interacting with her.
*whistles*This sounds like a lead in to a Hellsing Abridged/The Return crossover. WIC gets hired after the Valentine Brothers' assault on Hellsing, they muscle out the Wild Geese due to the WICs competence and familiarity of the supernatural, Alucard makes a crack about Morgan's anti-material rifle and how bitches love cannons before proudly declaring the Police Girl's is larger in a way that could insinuate he's talking about her rifle or tits, Ranma ponders the recurring theme of meeting Vatican members in museums, and then they're on a plane to Brazil to eat the police and confirm that it's the Nazis behind it all. Meanwhile, Eve is doing sneaky spy stuff and basically causes Millennium's invasion to be stillborn.
They also convince the British to use a submarine to sink the aircraft carrier with a torpedo instead of crashing a SR-71 into it - much to Alucard's disappointment.
Alternatively, it's the standard, more serious Hellsing, and the absurdity of sappy, cuddly, demons slowly mellows Alucard out and he becomes a good drinking buddy by the end of the story. Or maybe they'd somehow acquire Seras if they arrived early enough. There's plenty of ways this could go.
I'd read it either way.
HeheheeRight, I forgot that part. That adds to the whole being played aspect, and the part with her adviser keeps things high on the paranoia scale. It also makes it more plausible that there's a coup in the works that Nicodemus might fall victim to rather than just Outsiders mucking about.
Oh well, that's a mess for another story.
The original plan was that Harry wouldn't have been wounded nearly as bad. Butters wouldn't have shown up. And the ending chapters would have more of Harry dealing with Return villians and stuff, instead of the "baby succubus" things.Sure, I've got a couple.
First, how did you initially see Blood Debts going? I mean, initially having Dresden not become a succubus would have changed a good chunk of Harry's development, Harry's interaction with Lea, Ranma, butters, and so on, and a number of plot points. What was the first plan that you changed when you had it pointed out that Harry becoming a succubus was the way to go?
Hmm... dang. In the re-write I was trying to have Pluto start off as more alien and trying to be more human to the Senshi, but still being a bit off.Second, I'm interested in Pluto. Not so much the what she is since you've given out hints about that but the why and when you decided to go that way. I've started re-reading the stuff you reworked, and Pluto starts out fairly normal. She comes across as human with human emotions, failings, feelings on those failings and so on, but there's a point where that stops - and it's much more noticeable here in Blood Debts with the lack of soulgaze, the eldritch horror with wizard sight, having Uriel call her the Gate and Key and so on. So why did you go from regular Pluto to Yog-Sothoth, and at what point did you did you make that decision.
Third, what are your long term plans for the rest of the sailor suited warriors of love and justice? At the moment they feel about as necessary to the plot as a freestanding wall does to a rooms existence. it helps shape things and we'd notice if it wasn't there, but the room would still be a room and for the most part the plot would still be the plot if they had stayed in Japan and weren't being targeted by a shady conspiracy. Yes, they're mostly essential for the Ranma in a fuku thing, Ami has been a recurring antagonist, and the Numbers have been brought in recently because of them and that has driven Usagi and friends into Ranma's open arms more or less, but they feel like they're just there for the most part or a plot pinata. They're there to get hit. We left them and the whole Number plot line hanging, but the girls were doing training so it's possible they might become useful in a fight and take some initiative to progress their own side plots.
Sooner than you may think.Fourth, how long do you think you'll last before you bring Blackstone back for at least a little while?
Fifth, what other sort of opponents are you considering throwing at Ranma and the Company?
Yes, BlackSky was sounding that out. Ranma will meet her, but BlackSky wasn't pushy about it.And probably finally - I seem to recall BlackSky trying to play match maker for DarkStar/Ranma. Is anything going to come of that, and what sort of reactions can we expect from the cast? I'm sort of enjoying the single mother aspect and more interested in Ranma's relationship with Eve than a random succubus I haven't gotten invested in.
Alright, that got a laugh. Those two do wind each other up. It's either going to end with the two of them in bed together or on other sides of the planet eating ice cream by the tub full lamenting how poorly things went.Ranma being sexually repressed could be a valid way... depending on where her relationship with Usagi is when she goes to visit ;p
"And that fire wasn't my fault this time!"
Getting the training contract would probably... yes. In the manga, Integra has to rely on the Wild Geese because the military manpower drawdown to replace all the personnel lost in the Valentine Brothers' attack would be too noticeable. They also weren't planning on relying on the Wild Geese forever, so it would make sense there'd be a slow, prolonged rate of recruitment and training in small batches.The timeline of events is... close. Though the Company doesn't get the manpower contract, but they still have training help.
And a few other things are different. But good guesses.
It's not... full on Gonzo Abridged, as that tone would be a bit jarring to the Return, but....
Most likely, yes. I'm glad ellf convinced you to go this way with it instead.And that would have been... okay. But it made the crossover more of a "guest star walk on". There would not have been a consequence or advancement of the overall story arc
That might be more apparent in re-written chapters after 01 since that's about as far as I've gotten. She has a range of very human emotions. She shows fear, nervousness, unease, distress, and anger. She had forgotten how how DarkStar acted, and she was extremely upset with Murdock. She went so far as to use foul language when speaking with him. Not only was she exceptionally displeased with how Murdock outmaneuvered her so completely, but she hated him for being more level headed, cryptic, and in control than she ever was as well as hating herself for being so petty and how that meant Murdock was in control of that situation as well.Hmm... dang. In the re-write I was trying to have Pluto start off as more alien and trying to be more human to the Senshi, but still being a bit off.
And here I thought you'd be able to get through at least the Numbers' arc...
Ah, so Mom goes on a trip to talk to her newest daughter about something. I look forward to Dresden showing of her children to their new grandmother.As there are decisions Nodoka will be making, that BlackStone will be a part of.
You mean the Nazi super science program with the - I want to say - zombie soldiers and helicopter backpacks? I sort of figured they weren't as dead as people thought.That said there were... changes with how a certain program worked. A program that Eve has mentioned a few times.
*snarky answer about her being the main character of half the crossover*
I'm thinking one of DarkStar's aunts or BlackSky's daughters who is an ancestor of DarkStar offers to make Nodoka her sister so Nodoka can mother Ranma, Eve, Cecilia, and Dresden.
Alright, that got a laugh. Those two do wind each other up. It's either going to end with the two of them in bed together or on other sides of the planet eating ice cream by the tub full lamenting how poorly things went.
"And that fire wasn't my fault this time!"
"Pull the other one, Dresden, it's got bells."
Getting the training contract would probably... yes. In the manga, Integra has to rely on the Wild Geese because the military manpower drawdown to replace all the personnel lost in the Valentine Brothers' attack would be too noticeable. They also weren't planning on relying on the Wild Geese forever, so it would make sense there'd be a slow, prolonged rate of recruitment and training in small batches.
I could see a group like WIC getting involved with that process, and I could also see a recommendation from a Hellsing equivalent agency to a commonwealth nation like Canada carrying some weight when it came to figuring out who to hire to get the homegrown Canadian counter-spooky response force.
Yah, the exact year of events is a bit of a snarlAssuming - if there is a Hellsing analogue - the Hellsing stuff happened as per canon in the end of 1999 and The Return started around 2002 - but Ranma sort of happens in the late 80s, and Sailor Moon occurs in the mid 90s...
There's wiggle room, so it's either on the verge of happening or it did happen just a few years ago and is very fresh in the Hellsing analogue's mind.
And yes, the full on gonzo would be very jarring when it comes to how serious The Return is, but it'd be amusing and standard Hellsing would slot in fairly well - with the exception of London burning down in a bloody orgy of destruction given that the masquerade hasn't been completely blown.
Me too. This way it actually has the crossover mean something.Most likely, yes. I'm glad ellf convinced you to go this way with it instead.
That might be more apparent in re-written chapters after 01 since that's about as far as I've gotten. She has a range of very human emotions. She shows fear, nervousness, unease, distress, and anger. She had forgotten how how DarkStar acted, and she was extremely upset with Murdock. She went so far as to use foul language when speaking with him. Not only was she exceptionally displeased with how Murdock outmaneuvered her so completely, but she hated him for being more level headed, cryptic, and in control than she ever was as well as hating herself for being so petty and how that meant Murdock was in control of that situation as well.
The re-written chapter 01 is very similar to the original as far as Pluto's part is concerned, and at that point of the story, Pluto seems fairly bog standard if a little bit nerfed while Murdock is an absolutely terrifying manipulator rather than it being a human using a couple of tricks to pull one over on an eldritch abomination who is too dependent on the same limited bag of tricks she's been using for a few thousand years. I mean, it's more complicated than that and Murdock is both more and less terrifying than he's presented, but in that initial chapter Pluto comes across as human. That might change in later chapters and I'll keep an eye out for it.
And here I thought you'd be able to get through at least the Numbers' arc...
Ah, so Mom goes on a trip to talk to her newest daughter about something. I look forward to Dresden showing of her children to their new grandmother.
You mean the Nazi super science program with the - I want to say - zombie soldiers and helicopter backpacks? I sort of figured they weren't as dead as people thought.
Heh, yeah she is the other half of the story. Course that means that her importance would reflect that.*snarky answer about her being the main character of half the crossover*
She is absurdly powerful with that moonrock of hers, but she seems to be powered by her internal flawed idealism. While the Exiles and Purification of the world's population in the Crystal Tokyo timeline don't seem to be explored too much outside the 'magical girls of love and justice are good,' there has been plenty of fan speculation, and most of it comes down to what she does as being Not Good. Specifically, it's of the flavor that Uriel would disapprove of and might even be able to do something about. You seem to be stripping her of this though and rebuilding her over time, though, so I think she'll avoid that pothole.
The order aspect would be handy if say... the barriers of reality started to wear out....Still, even with her issues, she did manage to drive off Pharaoh90 and keep the population of Earth safe with Hotaru's help, and given setting translations, that thing might qualify as a powerful Outsider. Usagi also puts the hurt on the embodiment of Chaos' power as well as the physical embodiment of Order while showing enough intelligence to avoid the mental portion of Order's manipulation and attempt to turn reality into a physics simulator that will eventually die due to entropy.
If there's a great, big, scary, Elder Thing Outsider about to Return, she's probably Earth's best hope.
Unless BlackSky decides to save everyone. I for one would welcome our new MILF succubus overlord.
Unfortunately she isn't really interested in Earth since it isn't a choice piece of real estate. It doesn't have the sentimental value of home, all these vermin Outsiders are trying to get into the basement, and the exterminators have no idea how they keep getting in.
HehehI'm thinking one of DarkStar's aunts or BlackSky's daughters who is an ancestor of DarkStar offers to make Nodoka her sister so Nodoka can mother Ranma, Eve, Cecilia, and Dresden.
Or there's some sort of artifact that can do it. Man, if that's the case, Genma is really being left out in the cold on this - though he sort of deserves it.
Yeah, but with the way you write, if they spurn each other, there will be at least two fights rather than just one. They'd be eating ice cream and bemoaning their poor choices of romantic partner between the fights. Search your feeling, you know it to be true.Well... that's the less /dark/ version of what happens if they end up spurning each other.
I would hope not given how they've been up until now and their different outlooks on life. If they do get together, I'll look forward to Usagi having to explain to Ranma that she needs to get pregnant with a dead man's frozen sperm because time travel nonsense.Course... who's to say that a relationship between those two would be all sugar an spice...
I can see it.Poor, poor Thomas.
Basically Ranma drafts Thomas into being her local guide and driver when they go looking for Dresden.
"What do I need to bribe you with to make sure you behave?" Thomas asked as he felt his wallet cry in pain.
I forgot to add the word started at the end. This is what I was refering to - the long term portion of WIC's current job.WIC is training that JTF2 group of the Canadian military to serve in that role.
You managed to keep tech terms fairly generic. WIC is a cutting edge group, so it allows a bit more suspension of disbelief when it comes to agents having access to higher tech things before they're widely available. I think the only dated technology immediately visible in chapter 1 is the palmtop. Technically speaking, the generic term would be a handheld computer since Palmtops, PalmPilots, Palm (PDAs), and so on are devices produced by Palm Inc that run on the Palm OS. They have also been mostly replaced with smartphones - but given how cagey the Company is with security and the potential breach certain cell phone manufacturers represent, it is believable that agents would be issued flip phones. Flip phones also tend to be built more durably than smart phones, so that's could be another reason for using a throwback and separating the tech. Alternatively, since Kasumi's palmtop is a pattern detector as well, it could be that there are hardware requirements that keep the Company from consolidating the tech they issue agents.Shockingly, I haven't had as much to "fix" in terms of tech in the re-write.
It is, but that isn't London's fault, and given how you've introduced Dresden Files elements, it could begin to be patched in a 'humans willfully try to explain it away with how they know the world works' sort of way. Alternatively, it could start being the end of times. You'll just have to write and post it at some point.True, though with the battle of Ottawa it's pretty dang frayed.
I guess I'll just have to wait and see if you do that. (You should do that)That said, Abridged-Alucard (or maybe a lite version of him) does have real possibilities.
Yes. Between Serenity teaming up with BlackSky's house and convincing Yog-Setsuna to work for her, Beryl and Metalia have become exceptionally horrifying, and I'm not sure how Usagi won.Something to consider is what Serenity would have had to have done to /get/ a being outside of time to even interact with causality. And then be willing to serve Serenity.
Hence Uriel's comments.
It might be her too deep in the mask so to speak since that's what Usagi expected and wanted, but now that everything is on the line and Usagi is less idealistic, certain restrictions are less binding on her.Hmm, though it sounds like I may have had her, for lack of a better word, "too human" in chapter 1.
Worry about Harry or worry about his daughters? Or all of them?
And given the plundering of Nazi tech and rivalry with the Soviets, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a US Army zombie cyborg team created - or at the very least looked into - just to counter the Numbers. I mean, it took the Soviets getting into space first to actually spur the US to go there. The oneupsmanship and arms race between the USA and USSR was a very real thing.That was part of it. The other part is the "tech" that was later used to make the Numbers.
Millennium is sort of a single shot guided weapon in Hellsing, though. Call of C'thulhu's Karotechia from the d20's Delta Green supplement would be more malleable to your needs, and a more empowered Thule Society like the one from Hellboy would have a grander scale than just 'screw England.'
Yeah, it just feels like it's been taking so long. I mean, it took less than 200k words to get Ranma to become a full time demon mommy.Good, yeah the Deconstruction/Reconstruction of Sailor Moon is another part of the story.
Just not too much of it. Like I said, physics simulation seemed to be the end goal.The order aspect would be handy if say... the barriers of reality started to wear out....
Oh, he has - if I'm remembering things correctly. It's just all his dreams and aspirations for the future have been shattered. And I'm trying to remember if Nodoka divorced him in this fic - but even if she hasn't, it looks like she might be leaving him behind in other ways to be more with Ranma.I dunno about Genma, he's been mending his ways pretty well in the story. (Or at least I'd tried to convey it...)
Yeah, but with the way you write, if they spurn each other, there will be at least two fights rather than just one. They'd be eating ice cream and bemoaning their poor choices of romantic partner between the fights. Search your feeling, you know it to be true.
Hah!I would hope not given how they've been up until now and their different outlooks on life. If they do get together, I'll look forward to Usagi having to explain to Ranma that she needs to get pregnant with a dead man's frozen sperm because time travel nonsense.
Ranma is used to having local support. Vehicles and cleanup and backup.
"What do I need to bribe you with to make sure you behave?" Thomas asked as he felt his wallet cry in pain.
"I want a new gun," Ranma said as s he idly looked over the remains of handgun. Mother was going to need to tweak the barrels the Company issued if fire enchanted ammunition was going to be deployed on any scale other than one and done.
"Okay, I can do that," Thomas said as he began to think of the stores that sold firearms in Chicago.
"And one for the police girl," Ranma said as she waved at Murphy.
"But I already have one," the blonde ex-cop said with a frown.
"Get that bitch a cannon," Ranma said with a thumbs up. "Bitches love cannons."
"What - no! I do not need or want a cannon," Murphy said crossly as she glared at the succubus. "And I'm not opening myself up to any compensating for my height jokes from Dresden!"
Ranma's gaze went blank before a devious smile blossomed on her face and she said, "Hey Thomas? Get Dresden a cannon."
I forgot to add the word started at the end. This is what I was refering to - the long term portion of WIC's current job.
Yeah, the Palmtops and flip phones were some of the things that I tried to edit out in the revisions of Return.You managed to keep tech terms fairly generic. WIC is a cutting edge group, so it allows a bit more suspension of disbelief when it comes to agents having access to higher tech things before they're widely available. I think the only dated technology immediately visible in chapter 1 is the palmtop. Technically speaking, the generic term would be a handheld computer since Palmtops, PalmPilots, Palm (PDAs), and so on are devices produced by Palm Inc that run on the Palm OS. They have also been mostly replaced with smartphones - but given how cagey the Company is with security and the potential breach certain cell phone manufacturers represent, it is believable that agents would be issued flip phones. Flip phones also tend to be built more durably than smart phones, so that's could be another reason for using a throwback and separating the tech. Alternatively, since Kasumi's palmtop is a pattern detector as well, it could be that there are hardware requirements that keep the Company from consolidating the tech they issue agents.
It is, but that isn't London's fault, and given how you've introduced Dresden Files elements, it could begin to be patched in a 'humans willfully try to explain it away with how they know the world works' sort of way. Alternatively, it could start being the end of times. You'll just have to write and post it at some point.
I guess I'll just have to wait and see if you do that. (You should do that)
Metalia is rather eldritch herself. As you pointed so was Pharaoh 90.Yes. Between Serenity teaming up with BlackSky's house and convincing Yog-Setsuna to work for her, Beryl and Metalia have become exceptionally horrifying, and I'm not sure how Usagi won.
Quite so. Yog Sothoth didn't comprehend time, let alone other people, let alone companionship. But Serenity... "fixed" that, and then "fixed" Setsuna.It might be her too deep in the mask so to speak since that's what Usagi expected and wanted, but now that everything is on the line and Usagi is less idealistic, certain restrictions are less binding on her.
Worry about Harry or worry about his daughters? Or all of them?
I can see it now, Nodoka worrying about Harry and how she is unable to connect with her non-succubi daughters, the girls and their complete acceptance of their dad's new form along with how that sort of thing could affect them psychologically - not to mention the sort of lives they led to get them to just accept their father now being a succubus.
Oh, and that's before she learns who their mothers were.
*whistles*And given the plundering of Nazi tech and rivalry with the Soviets, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a US Army zombie cyborg team created - or at the very least looked into - just to counter the Numbers. I mean, it took the Soviets getting into space first to actually spur the US to go there. The oneupsmanship and arms race between the USA and USSR was a very real thing.
Millennium is sort of a single shot guided weapon in Hellsing, though. Call of C'thulhu's Karotechia from the d20's Delta Green supplement would be more malleable to your needs, and a more empowered Thule Society like the one from Hellboy would have a grander scale than just 'screw England.'
Though I have seen Millennium go beyond being singly focused on England in certain fan works. And Shine Heaven Now comes to mind. Millennium had agents infiltrate just about everywhere and pulled a decapitation on most major nations while releasing 'free agent' vampires like the Valentine Brothers in most major cities just so people wouldn't be able to come to England's aid. Granted, with the WIC around and their pattern detectors, something like that becomes much more difficult.
Yeah, it just feels like it's been taking so long. I mean, it took less than 200k words to get Ranma to become a full time demon mommy.
Just not too much of it. Like I said, physics simulation seemed to be the end goal.
Indeed, she's been setting up to divorce him. I should probably have her get it over with in the re-write after Girl Talk in all honesty.Oh, he has - if I'm remembering things correctly. It's just all his dreams and aspirations for the future have been shattered. And I'm trying to remember if Nodoka divorced him in this fic - but even if she hasn't, it looks like she might be leaving him behind in other ways to be more with Ranma.