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Censorship by Payment Processors

Hell's Razer said:
I believe the answer to this is "six of one, half a dozen of the other".
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Nah, the payment processors are just flat-out lying. Steam has been consistently opposed to censorship, as has Itch.io, and if the latter in particular actually wanted to restrict some NSFW content, it wouldn't have taken the drastic (and likely highly damaging to their brand) step of delisting all NSFW content.
 
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Hell's Razer said:
Oh you mean the thing they did? The one they sort of walked back on after a lot of noise was made? That thing?
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You think they've walked it back? That's cute. The extra terms of service submitting to the whims of Visa and Mastercard are still there. The assorted adult games banned for spurious reasons are still gone. Some tags are still mysteriously semi-hidden.

If Itch.io actually wanted to do any of this then they would not have burned a ton of goodwill by blindsiding people over it. They ain't getting that trust back.
 
seeing_octarine said:
You think they've walked it back? That's cute. The extra terms of service submitting to the whims of Visa and Mastercard are still there. The assorted adult games banned for spurious reasons are still gone. Some tags are still mysteriously semi-hidden.

If Itch.io actually wanted to do any of this then they would not have burned a ton of goodwill by blindsiding people over it. They ain't getting that trust back.
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Hence the "sort of".
 
Hell's Razer said:
Oh you mean the thing they did? The one they sort of walked back on after a lot of noise was made? That thing?
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They were pretty clear from the beginning that it was only ever meant to be a temporary thing. And if they didn't want to host NSFW content, they would have just not hosted it in the first place. The idea that all of these different sites simultaneously decided they wanted to ban NSFW content now after years of hosting it is pretty clearly ridiculous.

I won't say they're completely blameless, they could have fought back like GoG has rather than meekly submitting, but it's pretty clear they weren't the ones instigating it, and nor did they want to remove those games.
 
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Sol Mark-1 said:
There is rumor that says that Mastercard and Visa wants to ban Grand Theft Auto, and other violent games.
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They will make exceptions for triple A games because these studios have publishers with deep pockets and rabid lawyers.

Also, "The Gun is good, the Penis is evil."

Jesus, we are speeding towards a fucking c movie for reality, aren't we...?
 
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The law is a spiderweb: the little flies get caught, and the big hornets rip right through.

And if you're among the biggest hornets, you want those webs to be everywhere, just to slow down your competition.

It often looks like hypocrisy, but really it's just a continuation of business by other means.
 
searcher8 said:
It's also worth noting that he's not the only one. Japan IIRC has also started looking into legislation meant to curb payment processor's abilities to boycott private entities.
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It's to prevent PP from Fine or impose otherwise excessive fees onto their payment processor, IIRC for the actions of 3rd parties. .

CriticalFailure said:
What happened?

If you do not want to explain or this is from SB, you can just post a link to the page when there is discussion/explanation or something.
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Potus sign an EO to prevent debanking.

Strictly speaking it's more geared towards 1st party relationships and prevents debanking so if you're a convicted criminal with a history of lyign ot the banks to get prefered rates or to get loans at all the EO will help you tremendously. How it'll be enforced and what it defines as debanking remains in question. As far as game censorship is concern it's a big ??? since there are holes in the EO since technically Visa/MC are 3rd parties in most transactions.

It's also not neccasarily going to stop Visa because the EO as defined doesnt' strictly stop their shenanigans.
 
I type in uk just now and i got a tourism videos or videos from ten days ago
 
Sol Mark-1 said:
News.

Seems that Steam got debanked by Paypal, Visa, and Mastercard from big part of the world.
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A bit late to the party, but Valve has the resources and knowhow to create their own payment processor specifically tailored for the steam-platform. They're a billion dollar gig themselves; they don't need these assholes. Fucking with Gabe has never really worked in the past. It won't work for long here, either.
 
Goku_san said:
A bit late to the party, but Valve has the resources and knowhow to create their own payment processor specifically tailored for the steam-platform. They're a billion dollar gig themselves; they don't need these assholes. Fucking with Gabe has never really worked in the past. It won't work for long here, either.
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Imagine a world where you can not only play, but also pay through Steam. We live in a funny world...
 
Goku_san said:
We indeed do. Decentralised banking is the future, my friend. And I'd rather channel digital money through Steam than using these bastards.
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I like to point out that steam hates decentralized banking.Mostly because they say it's so fraught with scammers that they just don't want to bother.
 
Evillevi said:
I like to point out that steam hates decentralized banking.Mostly because they say it's so fraught with scammers that they just don't want to bother.
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They should reconsider their stance on that one. I mean, if the big payment processing oligopol decides to cut Valve off, what can they do about it, without any contigencies? Furthermore, if they're so concerned about scams, they should create their own system, including a bank. The biggest bullshit artists live in Wall Street, after all.
 
That's always the trouble, isn't it? Centralize too much, you get tyranny. Decentralize too much, you get chaos. Like the scene at the end of Demolition Man goes...

(To the gestapo bigwig): "You could get a little dirtier"
(To the sewer-dwelling rebel leader): "You, a lot cleaner"
"Somewhere in the middle... I don't know. You'll figure it out"
 
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