Change, its happening, and we don't get a say in it.

[Masterjaxx]

Ive been noticing some shifts in the way Moderation is enforced on this site, shifts in the types of things that are now deemed forbidden that were previously acceptable, shifts in what is or isn't tolerated and the agendas that must not be named that push those changes. The surge of swift and ruthless moderation made possibly by recent recruitment has really driven this home.

It makes me think back, way back, to the reason this site exists, the reason we are all here and not still back over there where the makers of this site came from when they rebelled and struck out on their own to make a place to belong. Where freedom of speech was actually a thing we were allowed to have.

Even this much, saying this little, is explicitly a punishable offence over there because that is how far they have cracked down on our freedoms. It is explicitly a rule on that site that the rulings of moderators cannot be questioned or challenged publicly or with transparency. They must be argued first with the one who accused you, then with one of their allies, and it must be done in their secret backrooms that only they can see. And when punishments cant be discussed in public view, well, "We have investigated ourselves and have found no evidence of wrongdoing. We have however determined that you are guilty of wasting our time and shall be punished more as a warning to others not to challenge our authority."

Is it already too late? Has our sites moderation already been taken over, by Them?

Are the gestapo already here?

Has it already slipped to the point where they feel so utterly untouchable that i will be punished for giving voice to my concerns as it already has over there?

 

[Savinkov]

Take the tinfoil off.
Nothing has changed.

 

[Masterjaxx]

Take the tinfoil off.
Nothing has changed.

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I look at your thumbnail of what may as well be a Soviet Commissar and cant help thinking your comment was satire.

 

[Savinkov]

I look at your thumbnail of what may as well be a Soviet Commissar and cant help but wonder if your comment was satire.

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Actually, it is Kaiserreich Boris Savinkov, and he is a National Populist.

 

[UrsaTempest]

Stop throwing innuendo and say what you want to say.

 

[Masterjaxx]

Stop throwing innuendo and say what you want to say.

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I am being careful with my wording in an attempt to avoid violating several rules. But ill try.

Maybe im being paranoid but i suspect that whatever conclusions you've come to about what i am talking about, you believe you are on the other side of the issue, and are trying to instigate a response you can use to persecute me. Though you probably don't see it that way. I see this as the root of the problem. A desire to wield authority to silence dissent rather than risk being exposed to that which you do not approve.

I believe that many of the rules implemented over the last few years should not exist and are deeply unconstitutional. Further, they are a betrayal of the founding tenets of this very site.

QQ was created by a group of individuals fleeing from harsh restrictive moderation that was stifling the stories they wished to write and the conversations they wished to have.

I am a Freedom of Speech absolutist. I believe people should be allowed to say whatever they want to say and be judged accordingly. Express opinions that those in power don't approve of and be supported or mocked as appropriate. Enter into debates on subjects that are unsavory or otherwise taboo and be allowed the chance to argue their position and face the consequences to their reputation of doing so. But so many of these things are being overly moderated and regulated past rational limits to coddle the irrationally sensitive whiny few.

I don't personally feel a need to say many of the things that will get you punished for saying. But i resent moderation that prevents you from saying it.

There are many things that are against the rules that i don't feel a need to do. But i resent moderation that punishes you for doing it.

Many are the things that will now draw punitive measures and enforce an unnatural silence where they used to be openly accepted or if genuinely despicable, would let everyone know exactly what kind of person you really are.

Things are changing and the direction has given me cause for concern.


EDIT: I do however find it rather amazing that one of the first people to comment joined the site on the same day i did. The odds are absurd since there are only a few hundred accounts that have been around longer than us.

 

[mizzet]

Is this a parody thread or something?

 

[coldpyr0]

I look at your thumbnail of what may as well be a Soviet Commissar and cant help thinking your comment was satire.

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Ah yes, all black and white photos of Russians/Germans must be Soviets/Nazis.

 

[barbatus]

Bro what specific incident has hurt your fee-fees?

 

[Rin]

I

QQ was created by a group of individuals fleeing from harsh restrictive moderation that was stifling the stories they wished to write and the conversations they wished to have.

I am a Freedom of Speech absolutist. I believe people should be allowed to say whatever they want to say and be judged accordingly. Express opinions that those in power don't approve of and be supported or mocked as appropriate. Enter into debates on subjects that are unsavory or otherwise taboo and be allowed the chance to argue their position and face the consequences to their reputation of doing so. But so many of these things are being overly moderated and regulated past rational limits to coddle the irrationally sensitive whiny few.

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No it wasn't. It was created by four people who wanted a forum where you could post adult content, which SB didn't allow, and SV didn't yet exist, so they had to make it themselves.

None of the founders were being persecuted on SB. Heck, they weren't even SB members first and foremost. They came over from The Fanfiction Forum because the only moderator there disappeared, leaving it a completely unmoderated hellhole where no new accounts could be made and rule-breaking behavior was out of control. Just to completely invalidate the entire premise of your complaint.

You've created this elaborate storyline that fits your views, but it's a complete fabrication.

QQ exists for porn and fanfiction. Don't post your weird, shitty politcs. Don't argue with people about politcs. Don't whine about freeze peach or what constitutes a slur, and just fucking read and enjoy the smut.

You aren't being persecuted.

 

[Piemanlives]

None of the founders were being persecuted on SB. Heck. they weren't even SB members first and foremost. They came over from The Fanfiction Forum because the only moderator there just disappeared, leaving it as a completely unmoderated hellhole where no new accounts could be made. Just to completely invalidate the entire premise of your complaint.

You've created this elaborate storyline that fits your views, but it's a complete fabrication.

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I will point out QQ's "contribution" during the SB CW purge, which is that it existed and so was convenient for people needing a place to stay, makes this a more common misconception rather than something being wholly fabricated for the sake of the "controversy" being espoused in thread. It's still wrong mind you, but it's something that's a bit more wide spread than just this thread.

I forget the exact timeline here but QQ was put up before the SB CW purge but not that long before to the point that it appeared that the two events happened concurrently even though they didn't. Which is where the confusion stems from.

 

[evildice]

I am a Freedom of Speech absolutist. I believe people should be allowed to say whatever they want to say and be judged accordingly.

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You can already do that.

But you don't seem to like the part where you expect to be judged for what you want to say.

 

[Nenshou Yuuki]

Bro what specific incident has hurt your fee-fees?

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Alosnide Jordion breaking one of the golden rules of the Internet:
Don't feed the trolls.

He argued in puplic with a mod that he got off light, ignoring the warning he had just gotten when someone else opened a thread to complain.

Simply a Rule 1 violation that was the tipping point of his general attitude.

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Jord got hit for being an idiot and people are crying about the tyranny of mods.

 

[Student of Zelretch]

People often forget that QQ is a benevolent dictatorship that was founded so that people could share their NSFW Content - primarily writing, but to a lesser extent art - and be excellent to each other. It was not founded to cater to people's specific whims, or to be a place to discuss everything under the sun - though as long as people are willing to be excellent to each other, that is generally allowed in the appropriate threads. The rules as they currently exist are all extensions of those founding principles - places that people have proven to the staff that they are not able to be excellent about something, continually, to the point that more clear guidance is now universally applied.
Questionable Questing is not, and never has been, a "free speech zone." It is a benevolent dictatorship, which allows what we believe is best for the user base as a whole. This thread will go nowhere good fast, and as such, is now locked. If you believe this to be in error, feel free to write an appeal. Do not start a new thread on this topic outside appeals.

https://forum.questionablequesting.com/forums/appeals.35/