Cosmos Quest (Naruto/Lupin III)

[FurikoMaru]

Damnation. False Surroundings is juuuuuuust out of our reach.

Supposing he DID learn....if we set up a False Surroundings genjutsu, then could we pass the reins to Lupin and while we do other stuff Lupin adjusts the genjutsu on the fly for us as opposed to relying on pre-set triggers?

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That would take lots of training, but yes, you could do it, eventually.

Although Muin's description still has her being the Fire Lady's pet.

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If you can think of a simpler way to keep up with news from the Capital, I'd like to hear it. 8)

 

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

That would take lots of training, but yes, you could do it, eventually.

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That kind of on the fly deception, if it weren't easily noticed, may be worth the training. Waaaaaaay in the future.

If you can think of a simpler way to keep up with news from the Capital, I'd like to hear it. 8)

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Point taken, I just meant to point out that I'm not sure if it counts as breaking the cycle if Muin is still the Fire Lady's pet.

 

[FurikoMaru]

Point taken, I just meant to point out that I'm not sure if it counts as breaking the cycle if Muin is still the Fire Lady's pet.

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The waiting game! Miun has a potentially infinite lifespan and Kashima-sama doesn't.

 

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

The waiting game! Miun has a potentially infinite lifespan and Kashima-sama doesn't.

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That had occurred to me! Of course, with our lifestyle it's a legitimate question as to whether Lupino will outlive the Fire Lady.

Barring author fiat.

 

[Guile]

And your talk of old ideas reminds me - hey, Guile:

Remember this? :3

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Miun-chan~

Speaking of,
[X] The Shika-chan
That's the one that lets us unleash the Ranton, while the Miun-chan is Suddenly Cats, right? I don't really see us summoning up our buddies for fighting; they're tough little kitties, but they just got wrecked by the fortress-born.

[X] We just used her lipstick to write all over our face. There is no good way to spin that, so it's time to throw Kiba to the wolves. "I think Kiba said he was going to try it out! I told him pink wasn't his color but he wouldn't listen! You should probably go talk to him, give him an unbiased opinion!"
... So we're a little off our game, sue us.

 

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

Uh, Guile? We don't HAVE any Ranton right now, so it's kind of a moot point. Summoning Cats is the only thing we'll be using it for in the immediate future.

Also, I take it you're voting to spin the story as opposed to just Henging our way out of this for a reason? I dunno, I mean, it's one of our stand-bys. We're apparently now named for it.

Just sayin'.

 

[Guile]

Uh, Guile? We don't HAVE any Ranton right now, so it's kind of a moot point. Summoning Cats is the only thing we'll be using it for in the immediate future.

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Well, or whatever. The Miun-chan scroll is only good for mass kitty battle summonings, and I envision us as more of a Kakashi-type summoner. The Shika-chan can do other stuff too. Like mass genjutsu or whatever.

Also, I take it you're voting to spin the story as opposed to just Henging our way out of this for a reason? I dunno, I mean, it's one of our stand-bys. We're apparently now named for it.

Just sayin'.

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Brilliant! So we can come up with the cockamamie story, and then henge into Kiba! With pink horns!

... I suspect I may have lost the point of actually escaping the prank.

 

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

Well, or whatever. The Miun-chan scroll is only good for mass kitty battle summonings, and I envision us as more of a Kakashi-type summoner. The Shika-chan can do other stuff too. Like mass genjutsu or whatever.

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Right now all the chakra comes out in one burst. So it's either a bomb that Ino notes can be used against us, or we use it to summon cats, as described in the post. Genjutsu is too much finesse, I guarantee it. Not that we needed help casting genjutsu as it is, least of all mass genjutsu in the one on one prelims.

Main appeal of Shika option seems to be time saver to me.

EDIT: Huh, maybe I'm wrong. Furiko said if we did Fuinjutsu from the start we wouldn't work out how to do better than just release all the chakra at once. Maybe she just meant we wouldn't figure out how to recharge on our reserves? Well, if we can use them for jutsu, great, but it's not like we have any ninjutsu to fuel and our genjutsu is very efficient.

Brilliant! So we can come up with the cockamamie story, and then henge into Kiba! With pink horns!

... I suspect I may have lost the point of actually escaping the prank.

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Eh, if that's how you wanna roll.

 

[uju32]

Nope. >
"Damn, we're in a tight spot. Your friend got any ideas, sweetheart?"
"He wants me to see if I can cop a feel off of the chick with blue hair."
"Ask him if remembers what it was like in the Box and if he wants to go back in."
"He says he'll be good."

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And now Ino has a convenient scapegoat for shenanigans >
Not gonna work on Moms though; momkra sees through all that ish.

:notfunny:
Ino... thinks a lot of her brains.*snip*

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So, theoretically possible, but not without years or possibly decades of hard work.
Good.
Because if she showed anything vaguely like this during the Chuunin Exams, I'd expect three things
1) The Hokage to yell bullshit
2) Danzo to personally bury her in a lab so deep and dark she'll be pallid by the time she gets out.
3) Not to be let out of the village till she makes S-class and could basically threaten to go nukenin.

As is, talking with Sakura might give her some idea exactly how difficult bioseals would be.


VOTES
[X] Her mind is made of keys....
It's a tossup between spending time on drilling others, or on improving our skills; both would bring us attention from the higher ups,
but more time would allow us work on our other skills and/or build our contacts/relationships with other genin.
I'm only going for this option because the presence of Lupin suggests there may be benefits to doing this ourself, else I would blackmail Shikamaru.
We are sharing intel anyway, right?


Lupin
[X]What happened?
Ino is a people person after all, and the Yamanaka are very much into the "Know Yourself" thing.
Both curiosity and pragmatism would dictate learning as much as possible about your new guy.
And what happened to the crew.

Ami
[X]"I got in an argument with my imaginary friend and he painted my face. Pass me the remover, will you?"


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I will point out though, that while we don't have time to currently try to learn taijutsu from Lupin, it's entirely possible during this exam to hand over direct control to him in a taijutsu fight.
His skill may only be chuunin level, but it's better than ours.
And if we are casting genjutsu instead....

 

[FurikoMaru]

EDIT: Huh, maybe I'm wrong. Furiko said if we did Fuinjutsu from the start we wouldn't work out how to do better than just release all the chakra at once. Maybe she just meant we wouldn't figure out how to recharge on our reserves? Well, if we can use them for jutsu, great, but it's not like we have any ninjutsu to fuel and our genjutsu is very efficient.

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If you make the seals yourself and fill them with kitty chakra, you can only use them for summoning.

If you have Shikamaru make you one or two good seals, you can use up the contents incrementally, but you won't be able to carry as much.

If you make a seal based off your personal design, you'll have the same problem as if you had Shika make them (though you'll still be able to do the incremental-release thing), but you'll have something unique. Aside from Hinata and Sasuke, you're the only person who knows how to do the Chakra Conduit Technique, and they only know the theory; they doesn't yet have the control necessary to actually practise it.

As such, when people see you making a hand-motion they've never seen before to activate a seal they've never seen before to do something they've never seen done with the indeterminate contents of the seal, they'll be less likely to copy your idea or try to.

EDIT: I forgot! Jiraiya also knows how because he saw you do it.

 

[Unclouded]

[X] Her mind is made out of keys...
Unique and secure for your use is better than the other options in my opinion. Cat summons aren't a priority right now as you need to give them time to adapt to being summons and recover from their attack. As tempting as Shika blackmailing is we need in his good graces and working on something unknown like this adds to your mystique.

Lupin
[X]Swap stories.
->Make sure he's up to speed and knows all about what's happened to you, see if he has any idea about what Itachi might have done; then ask him what he did in his previous life.

Ami
[X]"I got in an argument with my imaginary friend and he painted my face. Pass me the remover, will you?"

 

[FurikoMaru]

What's the tally on helping out your friends and teammates?

 

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

Whatever it is, I suspect it's over-ambitious if we're going to make our own personal scroll. Which I think is worthwhile, we can't just bum off of other people and Ino and Lupin might learn something, but people aimed to help more than 2 people I think. A lot more than two people if you count entire teams.

 

[katreus]

Having a mutual info-sharing session is an easy and efficient way to help more than 2 people. I think it was help all Konoha teams. In the case of Team Gai, I presume that's more invite Lee and see if Tenten and Neiji tag along.

 

[uju32]

What's the tally on helping out your friends and teammates?

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I voted for sharing Intel with the Konoha teams(Team Shika, Team Lee and Team Nurse), brainstorming with Shika, passing Kiba to practice with Hinata/Choji, Ami + Menka sword practice (+/- summoning Tsumumikaze for lessons), and genjutsu suppression with the Office Ladies.

 

[FurikoMaru]

Having done a full count myself, it seems like people favour helping out Chouji and Hinata, letting Menka and Ami practise against one another, and gathering everyone for an intel session. Some people also want to do something to help out Sakura's team, but they aren't sure what. Is that right?

In any case, are you guys all that fussed about the Ask Lupin option, or can I skip over having it as a full snip and just blend the information you asked for into later updates?

Incidentally, poor Kiba.

 

[uju32]

Having done a full count myself, it seems like people favour helping out Chouji and Hinata, letting Menka and Ami practise against one another, and gathering everyone for an intel session. Some people also want to do something to help out Sakura's team, but they aren't sure what. Is that right?

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More or less.
I'm not sure HOW we're supposed to help the nintaijutsu guys; I was voting for including Kiba there and having them mix it up.

In any case, are you guys all that fussed about the Ask Lupin option, or can I skip over having it as a full snip and just blend the information you asked for into later updates?

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Skip if you think it works better.

Incidentally, poor Kiba.

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Why?
I was for including him with Hinata/Choji, the taijutsu bunch, seeing as Inuzuka are very heavily nintaijutsu.
Are we neglecting him?

EDIT Come to think of it, we really should make sure our team is squared away before looking straining away at others.

 

[Vindictus]

Incidentally, poor Kiba.

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Let's tie up loose ends. Kiba gets to help Team Medic.
Give that boy a Harem. Boys love Harems.

 

[iamnuff]

First of all, why do you think it's a good idea to argue with the GM? You're already in an AU, after all.

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Hence the "Is Genjutsu something completely different in this quest?" line in my question.

Second of all, genjutsu works by reaching out to the mind of the person you're casting on and playing tricks on it; sending false signals through the brain via their chakra pathways. While that means that genjutsu takes less of the caster's chakra to function than ninjutsu, you still have to put in some in order to make the mechanism work.

And you just set up an investigator construct specifically to look for those traces of chakra and bring them to your attention. Once brought to your attention, you can either expel them, or, if you like your chances, you can pull them into the dream complex between your palaces.
Because it is.

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So they can't enter your mind by themselves, but if they try using genjutsu, we can grab their chakra and "pull" them in?

well, there is Evidence for chakra containing (or working as a link for) a person's mind/soul (Minato did it with the seal)

It doesn't quite seem fit with how Genjutsu was explained to work in the manga, but then neither half the Genjutsu in the fucking manga.

Nobody ever seems to use bog-standard illusions any more, its all "this illusion can really kill you" or I just used genjutsu to enter your soul" "I used genjutsu to implant mind-control" "I used Genjutsu to stuff a fucking bird into your eyeball" or "I just used genjutsu to Turn time backwards"

Oh how I long for the days when Ninjutsu was ninja-tricks and fireballs, and Genjutsu was illusion magic.

Anyway, yeah, just ignore me complaining at Naruto for being internally inconsistent, Using someone's Genjutsu to get a "grip" on their chakra to pull them into your mindscape makes about as much sense as anything else we do.

I was only going off on one because I misunderstood what you said to mean "yeah Genjutsu specialists can just step into your fucking mind like Itachi did"

 

[uju32]

Hence the "Is Genjutsu something completely different in this quest?" line in my question.
*snip*
I was only going off on one because I misunderstood what you said to mean "yeah Genjutsu specialists can just step into your fucking mind like Itachi did"

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Personally I run off of Rihaku canon for the more exotic techniques.
Genjutsu is just illusion at the lower levels; at it's higher levels it's ningenjutsu and flatout reality warping.
High-level Water techniques are space/time techniques as well as Water; explains where the water comes from for techniques like Kisame's Suiton: Bakusui Shoha, and why Tobirama the space/time expert was so good at them.
So on.

Let's tie up loose ends. Kiba gets to help Team Medic.
Give that boy a Harem. Boys love Harems.

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You do have a point here.
I mean, the other ladies may be unavailable, but Sakura as far as I can tell, is both available and Uchiha-crush free.
A smart, self-directed lady, who is strong in a quieter way than the two women on his squad?
Especially if she makes chuunin in her very first try, and he doesn't.

And I can see really hilarious scenes of him trying to practice his game on the ladies of Team Medic and getting shutdown.
Or worse, treated with amusement.
God I'm cruel


Then again, might be a railroad.
Let's see what the GM comes up with.

 

[iamnuff]

Personally I run off of Rihaku canon for the more exotic techniques.
Genjutsu is just illusion at the lower levels; at it's higher levels it's ningenjutsu and flatout reality warping.
High-level Water techniques are space/time techniques as well as Water; explains where the water comes from for techniques like Kisame's Suiton: Bakusui Shoha, and why Tobirama the space/time expert was so good at them.

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ok what.

the former i can understand, but water = reality warping?

Bakusui Shoha is the one where he spews out an entire ocean, right?

theres also jutsu that involve spewing out entire mudslides. its probably safer to just pretend they involve sealing a ton of water/mud/ect into a scroll, then using that as part of the attack.

unless spontaneous matter creation is a standard part of ninjutsu now.

 

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

New goal: defeat Oto girl with a quip and a smile.

If someone uses genjutsu on us, do we need to use handseals for Throne?

If not, then we let Oto girl uses genjutsu on us, bring her inside, and exhaust here Yin chakra. Let her back out in no business to use genjutsu, quip, smile, win, taunt Anko.

Course, we'd better have the Throne as powerful as can be. I dunno how good this girl is, but bringing her into our head and subjecting her to our mental static, the Fab Four, Zenigata, and an army of Sasuke will proooooooobably do the trick.

And it's just so damn stylish.

Depending on how Shintenshin works, maybe we can use Throne do draw Oto girl in, hop Ino or Lupin in her body, have her forfeit, and then put her back in. It's totally a cheat, but it'd be a damn effective one if it can be managed. It's like the ultimate answer to genjutsu users. Use it on us, and we'll suck you into our head, replace you with a copy of us, and then....well. Fun times!

For us.

I mean really, if Throne and Shintenshin can synergize with Ino/Lupin being able to control two bodies, that is ace. It's pretty much a THKO here, and in an arena we can have the person forfeit of put a kunai to their own throat. V for Victory!

 

[uju32]

ok what.
the former i can understand, but water = reality warping?

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Ningenjutsu eg Tsukiyomi, Izanami, Izanagi = Reality warping.

High level Water techniques eg Bakusui Shoha = Space/Time, because they're literally summoning the water from somewhere else.

Bakusui Shoha is the one where he spews out an entire ocean, right?

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Yes

theres also jutsu that involve spewing out entire mudslides. its probably safer to just pretend they involve sealing a ton of water/mud/ect into a scroll, then using that as part of the attack.

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My head canon is that all of those involve summoning the material from somewhere.
Certainly more canon compliant, because I have seen no storage scroll, or body seal marking on the people who use high level Water techniques.

unless spontaneous matter creation is a standard part of ninjutsu now.

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I would not be surprised;Rinnegan does it in massive quantities.
I'd rather go with the space/time explanation.

 

[uju32]

New goal: defeat Oto girl with a quip and a smile.

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This.
Feels a little mean on an eight year old, but if using Throne allows us to avoid touching her, that would be great.
And the coolness factor about smirking at Anko afterwards would be over 9000.

 

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

This.
Feels a little mean on an eight year old, but if using Throne allows us to avoid touching her, that would be great.
And the coolness factor about smirking at Anko afterwards would be over 9000.

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To be fair, prodigy eight year old. She may well deliberately play up the cuteness. Yeah, beating the crap out of an eight year old feels low, I agree. I just point that out as a sign that it's working.

But mostly I wanna do this because STYLE. And making Anko eat her words. It'd be sooooooo sweet.

 

[uju32]

To be fair, prodigy eight year old. She may well deliberately play up the cuteness. Yeah, beating the crap out of an eight year old feels low, I agree. I just point that out as a sign that it's working.
But mostly I wanna do this because STYLE. And making Anko eat her words. It'd be sooooooo sweet.

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Pretty sure she DID weaponise her cuteness; Anko is not the sort of person to call attention to a particular candidate lightly.
And given her village of origin, it's entirely likely the chuunin on her team is there to protect other candidates from HER, rather than the other way around.
Still doesn't make it feel any less dirty.
Getting Anko to eat her words though would be ace

 

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Pretty sure she DID weaponise her cuteness; Anko is not the sort of person to call attention to a particular candidate lightly.
And given her village of origin, it's entirely likely the chuunin on her team is there to protect other candidates from HER, rather than the other way around.
Still doesn't make it feel any less dirty.
Getting Anko to eat her words though would be ace

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You may very well be right.

But who knows. Maybe once we get her in a fully tricked out Throne we can convince her she's done for, and instead of whaling on her spend hours playing games and having bonding time. Or sparring matches. Oto girl exhausts herself, but all much more good naturedly. And oh man, it would be such a mindfuck on everyone if Oto girl comes out of the Throne, forfeits, and suddenly Ino and Oto are chatting like best friends and scheduling when they can do this again.

I'd burn a Z-Slash to make it happen because goddamn it, style counts and this would be so totally worth it. Never mind us getting a friend and peer in genjutsu, that victory alone would be scrumptious.

Of course, maybe Oto girl is a monster on par with Gaara. All I can say is, if she can beat our genjutsu and a fully tricked out Throne then maybe she does deserve the win. Cause goddamn.

 

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

I also have an idea for putting down Temari in the first five seconds of the match, but it is somewhat dependent on luck and almost entirely dependent of us being her first opponent in the finals, unless we're carrying the required materials now or can filch them from Kankuro. And do this all under Gaara and Kankuro's noses. And we figure out there will be prelims.

My second plan may be a lot more reliable.

The first plan: Temari normally carries her tessen folded. While it's unfolded, or while we steal it momentarily, we filled crevices or a preprepared trap light enough that she won't notice. She opens up her fan and gives her a face full of poison, preferably some variety of knock-out gas. She goes down for the count, we are declared victor.

Alternatively, we steal her fan, inscribe a seal on one of the purple circles on the fan, cover it up (carefully so she doesn't notice the difference) and detonate at the start of the match. Hopefully the explosion doesn't ruin her fan. I dunno, maybe it can be Ranton so she gets a massive shock instead. I am assuming we can detonate it from afar like an exploding tag.

Either way, sabotage ahead of time for an almost instant victory against one of the top contenders. One requires us to be her first opponent, the other just requires some seal and paint work Temari doesn't notice on her weapon.

We can do the same thing to Kankuro and his puppets. So yeah, this MIGHT even work twice!

Thoughts?

 

[iamnuff]

if his sisters Fan randomly explodes on her, do you really think that he won't take his puppet apart piece by piece to make sure we didn't do the same to him?

heh, would be funny if he was fighting in the very next match though, so he KNEW it might have been fucked with, but didn't have time to check.


would he ditch the puppet and go to a backup, or would he risk it all?


of-course, that entire plan hinges on them fighting us before anyone else. (and on us being able to filtch something as big as they are without them noticing for long enough to booby-trap)

Also, something tells me that trying to slip something into Karasu before Kankurō notices is probably going to end with us getting poisoned or something.

 

[The Nobody]

And....holy crap, that idea about a Construct taking control of our body while we use Shitenshin?

That just became viable. We can put us or Lupin in someone, and going by that description of Throne Furiko wrote, only Lupin could move and control our body. Maybe a construct could control someone else, MAYBE, but Lupin's probably now gonna be the best.

That's actually pretty awesome.

Anyone else want to try cheating by Shintenshining a friend or someone otherwise way better than us, put Lupin in the pilot's seat of one of the bodies, and claim this is totally legit cause we're now controlling two bodies?

....Nah, this is actually an even better infiltration tool than the mask because our body is no longer the vulnerable point. This is seriously fucking awesome. I am very interested to see how high our rating in Throne is now. And I'm guessing our Unique Perspective is now maxed, because we have Lupin himself in here.

Man we shoulda done this sooner. So glad we put the time into Throne as it is. This is a massive payoff. Quite possibly the best thing we've gotten out of our training.

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See? I knew Shintenshin is a good skill to have.

Seals:
[x] Make Shika work.

Lupin:

... Actually, I'm good with any outcome.