Cosmos Quest (Naruto/Lupin III)

uju32 · Oct 24, 2013

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
Of course, maybe Oto girl is a monster on par with Gaara. All I can say is, if she can beat our genjutsu and a fully tricked out Throne then maybe she does deserve the win. Cause goddamn.

Problem: Anko still has a Curse Seal.
That suggests Orochimaru is an antagonist here, and the likely founder of Sound.
Given how twisted all his shinobi were, I'm waiting to see what's wrong with this one.
Maybe she's a pint-size Tayuya.
Or Juugo.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
We can do the same thing to Kankuro and his puppets. So yeah, this MIGHT even work twice!
Thoughts?

1)We know there will be prelims.
Anko gave it away with her comment about not getting blood on her tower.

2)I give very very low odds to the likelihood of sneaking anything past Gaara.
Kankuro, I'd be willing to take the risk, but sand-boy detected our Throw Voice.
That makes him much more capable here than in canon, and he knows we're sneaky.

3)Much more workable.
Might be able to slip it on if we brush past her on the way to the arena, or if necessary mid-fight.
And a Ranton scroll will be super effective against Suigetsu.

4)Kankuro sabotage?
No idea.
You'd expect him to have the most common antidotes, being a poisoner.

Hymn of Ragnarok · Oct 24, 2013

iamnuff said:
if his sisters Fan randomly explodes on her, do you really think that he won't take his puppet apart piece by piece to make sure we didn't do the same to him?

Absolutely. So it'd be better if we fought Kankuro first. Explosive notes in a puppet is a step down from on a fan.

of-course, that entire plan hinges on them fighting us before anyone else. (and on us being able to filtch something as big as they are without them noticing for long enough to booby-trap)

We're pretty fast. And with the seals, not necessarily. They just need to be unnoticed just long enough.

The poison idea, yes, as mentioned.

Also, something tells me that trying to slip something into Karasu before Kankurō notices is probably going to end with us getting poisoned or something.

Good odds. Use Z-Slash and/or take poisons with Mom.

The Nobody said:
See? I knew Shintenshin is a good skill to have.

It wasn't until we got Lupin the super-construct, IMO. Doing the constructs now has clearly paid waaaaaaaaaay more dividends than Shintenshin now.

uju32 said:
Problem: Anko still has a Curse Seal.

Hers does sound inactive though.

That suggests Orochimaru is an antagonist here, and the likely founder of Sound.
Given how twisted all his shinobi were, I'm waiting to see what's wrong with this one.
Maybe she's a pint-size Tayuya.
Or Juugo.

You have no idea how much pleasure it gives me to say this.

If they had Cursed Seals, we'd have noticed theirs like we did Anko's. Yay for sensing!

1)We know there will be prelims.
Anko gave it away with her comment about not getting blood on her tower.

That counts? H'okay.

2)I give very very low odds to the likelihood of sneaking anything past Gaara.
Kankuro, I'd be willing to take the risk, but sand-boy detected our Throw Voice.
That makes him much more capable here than in canon, and he knows we're sneaky.

Agreed on Gaara. We'd need to do it while he's gone.

3)Much more workable.
Might be able to slip it on if we brush past her on the way to the arena, or if necessary mid-fight.
And a Ranton scroll will be super effective against Suigetsu.

We'll have to make more for the finals. One should be enough for now.

Also, good luck doing it mid-fight with TEMARI. She who flies the fuck away. If we can get that close in combat we likely have other optios.

4)Kankuro sabotage?
No idea.
You'd expect him to have the most common antidotes, being a poisoner.

Well yeah. Which is why I'd make his puppet a bomb. And detonate while he's being sneaky and switching places with his puppet. Sucker.

He'd hate our ass for this though.

And it just appeals to me so greatly to be able to pull this trick twice by stashing these seals on their weapons. Better if we get Kankuro first, explosive notes in a puppet is relatively obvious. Explosive seal hidden on the fan, much more subtle. Everyone will be paranoid after the fan, with the puppet they'll just assume Kankuro didn't keep his secret as well as he thought he did and got pwned for it.

Just think.

*fight Kankuro*

*boop*

*BOOM*

Ino: 8)

Winner, Yamanaka Ino!

Temari: I hope you don't think you'll get me as easily as you did my brother.

Ino: ....Yeah, it would be kind of lame to use the same trick twice wouldn't it?

*boop*

*BZZZZZZZZT*

Ino:

Nope, it's still not getting old!

Winner, Yamanaka Ino!

Ino:

Gaara, why are you naked?

Gaara: You can't be too careful these days.

uju32 · Oct 24, 2013

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
Hers does sound inactive though.
You have no idea how much pleasure it gives me to say this.
If they had Cursed Seals, we'd have noticed theirs like we did Anko's. Yay for sensing!

Unless theirs is something new.
If bloodlines can pass scrutiny, who knows what a Orochimaru-optimized production seal can do; Anko was only bearing a prototype after all.

Besides, Tayuya WAS a genjutsu-type before Oro upgraded her; the base skill would be there.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
That counts? H'okay.

Ayup.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
Agreed on Gaara. We'd need to do it while he's gone.

Powder is likely to fall right out of it.
You'd need remote activation seals and gas.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
We'll have to make more for the finals. One should be enough for now.

Hopefully.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
Also, good luck doing it mid-fight with TEMARI. She who flies the fuck away. If we can get that close in combat we likely have other optios.

Her techniques are reliant on her fan for power and range.
Get on the fan and she's significantly nerfed, at which point we hit her with Bringer of Darkness and wait for her to run out of chakra.
Or simply hit her with explosive tags while blind.
As long as we can stop her using her summons......well, genjutsu will help there as well.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
Well yeah. Which is why I'd make his puppet a bomb. And detonate while he's being sneaky and switching places with his puppet. Sucker.
He'd hate our ass for this though.

And he'd be right to.
Those things are expensive as fuck.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
Gaara: You can't be too careful these days.

Lol

FurikoMaru · Oct 24, 2013

iamnuff said:
I was only going off on one because I misunderstood what you said to mean "yeah Genjutsu specialists can just step into your fucking mind like Itachi did"

I'm basing my idea of genjutsu off of a) the weird shit we see in the manga and b) real-world pop-science about how easy the human brain is to trick. I mean, pain is literally all in your head in real life. So I figure genjutsu is an outside agent imposing their will on your chakra in a limited capacity to make you smell burning toast or whatever.

uju32 said:
Personally I run off of Rihaku canon for the more exotic techniques.
Genjutsu is just illusion at the lower levels; at it's higher levels it's ningenjutsu and flatout reality warping.
High-level Water techniques are space/time techniques as well as Water; explains where the water comes from for techniques like Kisame's Suiton: Bakusui Shoha, and why Tobirama the space/time expert was so good at them.

I'll take It's Magic I Ain't Gotta Explain Shit for 500, Alex.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
New goal: defeat Oto girl with a quip and a smile.

If someone uses genjutsu on us, do we need to use handseals for Throne?

I wouldn't recommend trying it on anyone at this point unless you wanna give them brain damage. On the other hand, you have crazy-fast handspeed.

Hymn of Ragnarok · Oct 24, 2013

uju32 said:
Unless theirs is something new.
If bloodlines can pass scrutiny, who knows what a Orochimaru-optimized production seal can do; Anko was only bearing a prototype after all.

SOME bloodlines pass scrutiny, and that's more a genetic quirk/our inexperience. Also, it's questionable as to whether Orochimaru could hide a production plant like the seal from us pumping his chakra into a body. We are a top of the line sensor, finding people like us is unbelievably rare. I would be very surprised if he has a stealth model like that.

Besides, Tayuya WAS a genjutsu-type before Oro upgraded her; the base skill would be there.

Never disputed it, only that the CS is gonna pass right by us without us noticing.

Ayup.
Powder is likely to fall right out of it.
You'd need remote activation seals and gas.

Or explosive seals.

Poison's just one way. A fun way and a good play on us being the Poisonous Blossom, but just one.

Although, if we can make that genjutsu I was talking about a reality, we could potentially write all sorts of blatant stuff on the seal, including the seal itself, and drop the genjutsu juuuuust long enough for, say, Temari to see what we did to her fan.

Her techniques are reliant on her fan for power and range.
Get on the fan and she's significantly nerfed, at which point we hit her with Bringer of Darkness and wait for her to run out of chakra.

You're getting into a recursive argument, I think. If I recall the direction of this argument correctly, place the seal on the fan mid-combat to nerf fan, Temari isn't dangerous because if we take out her fan she isn't as much of a combatant, so we can take out her fan mid-combat.

Or simply hit her with explosive tags while blind.
As long as we can stop her using her summons......well, genjutsu will help there as well.

Y'know, there's a reason I don't want this to be a fight at ALL. One trap on her fan from the beginning, rigged potent enough to put her out immediately. None of this real fight stuff, oh no. Straight up sabotage. And if they don't notice it between us doing it an them stepping in the ring, I call it fair game.

And he'd be right to.
Those things are expensive as fuck.

Indeed.

Be pretty awesome though. He's hiding on his puppet's back thinking he's all clever. His puppet blows up. He flies through the air, landing right at our feet. We drop a kunai next to his head.

Game, set, match.

Ohhhhhh it'd be sweet.

FurikoMaru said:
I wouldn't recommend trying it on anyone at this point unless you wanna give them brain damage. On the other hand, you have crazy-fast handspeed.

So....unless we get REALLY good between now and finals at it, still gotta use handsigns. Well, hopefully we can settle for making them so fast people can't see our hands move, Itachi style.

Few points off style, but it'd still be pretty awesome.

FurikoMaru · Oct 25, 2013

[X] All his life has been one roller-coaster ride of dreams

Ne, Lupin, you think, frowning with the strain of moulding the extracted chakra. It's simultaneously more tangible coming out of the seal and harder to keep a grip on to work with; if you weren't a sensor and someone with excellent chakra control you're pretty sure you'd be stuck here empty-handed while your energy just drifts away and evaporates. Or blows something up.

Mm?

You form the handseals, and six bunshin pop into being around you. Hm. You were trying for eight. What happened to you, and the others? Did you really stay together all those years?

You don't remember the times we'd split up?

No, I mean... in the end.

We lived happily ever after.

I'm thirteen, not three. -__- Eight pops, but only seven bunshin. Damn.

Serves you right, askin' such a gloomy question. It should be obvious what happened at the end.

Eight fully-functional bunshin. You smile. Look, you can't be embarrassed - you keep saying I'm you. Well if I'm you I have the right to know some stuff. And I want to know what happened to our friends. You add an extra sigil to the array at three points to make a shortcut.

Well, join the club, we've got jackets.

You pause, concerned. You've never heard him sound so bitter. ... does that mean...?

The last thing I remember is shoving Fujiko out of the way of some old man's dematerialization ray. Next thing I know I wake up in a baby's body.

You sigh. Thank heaven for that. I was worried you were gonna say they were all murdered or something.

How do we know they weren't five minutes after I died?

You flinch. Lupin...

And now I can't even look it up because either none of the books from the 20th century survived whatever catastrophe you poor bastards went through that brought you to this state, or I'm not even in the same world as before!

Tears well up in your left eye and only your left eye. Your lips shake.

Damn it.... I should have been there. I should have had more time. I was such an idiot, I thought we were all gonna live forever. I should have been there to-

You get to your feet and drop into bed, burying your face in your pillow.

You're right, you think, we should have had more time. All the time in the world wouldn't have been enough with those guys, and the fact that they got taken away means that if we ever get back where we came from, heads are gonna fucking roll. You sniffle, and wipe your eyes. But hey. We saved Fujiko. That oughta mean something.

You... think he might be calming down now.

... you're a good kid, Ino.

Ya done makin' half my face cry, then? you ask, patting yourself on the cheek for lack of anything better to do.

Yeah... sorry I scared ya. I just... hadn't had the chance to say that yet.

Geez, yeah, you think, thirteen years is a long time to be carryin' that around. I'm surprised you didn't go nuts.

He laughs under what would be his breath. I'm still not completely sure I'm not. I'm not an expert, but I doubt reincarnation is supposed to work like this.

You shrug. Probably has somethin' to do with bein' a Yamanaka.

Maa, ne. You get the distinct impression of a leer. I guess there are worse afterlives than being inside a cute blonde all day long.

Wow. Ami's right, I am revolting.

=

"Basically you've brought us all together to brag about how good you are at taking rumours seriously," Tenten says with a snort.

"Don't talk like that to someone who's trying to help you," Sagiso scolds from the bed. They've let her out of the infirmary, but it doesn't look like she'll be moving on to the finals; that cast on her leg has to stay on for another three weeks at least.

"Well how do we know she isn't going to feed us a load of nothing to sabotage us?" the bun-headed girl interrupts. "She's at a disadvantage against half the people in this room in a straight-up fight; it's in her interests to knock some of us out of the competition."

"If you don't find Ino-chan trustworthy," Hinata says, simmering a tad below the calm surface, "then you are not obligated to share what you know. She invited us to this meeting as a courtesy; she would have been well within her rights to keep the information she's gathered for herself and her teammates."

"At least put the damn cigarette out," Tenten grumbles, settling down.

"Seconded," Ami says, wrinkling her nose.

"It truly is terrible for your lungs, Ino-chan," Lee says worriedly.

Kiba doesn't have to say anything, he's been sitting under the open window since you first lit up.

"It helps me concentrate!" you protest.

They're not wrong, y'know.

I don't need to hear that from you!

"Fiii~ine," you whine, stubbing it out in the ashtray.

The office ladies are collectively shocked to hear that the little redhaired boy is one of the most dangerous people in the exam; Sayuri looks particularly troubled. Team Gai and the Hina-Shika-Cho are unfazed, no surprises there, but Neji's eyes widen when you mention Houzuki Suigetsu's name.

"That person..." he says, "... he's an apprentice of Zabuza."

"What? You're positive?" you ask, reaching into your bags for your Bingo book. The old one Menka gave you fell apart ages ago; this is a fresh one Dad bought you for your birthday last month.

"There's no mistake," Neji says. "Gai-sensei had a solo mission in Water three months ago and encountered the pair of them."

You swear. "Well, better we know now than later."

"Um, who is Zabuza?" Sakura asks timidly.

"He's one of the Seven Swordsmen of Mist," you explain. "It's difficult to say how many of the stories about him are true, but one thing that is certain, you don't want to be on the receiving end of the Kubikiribocho. It's a six-foot-long butcher knife, and he swings it like it's make of papier mâché. Hell," you add, a thought striking you, "of course a kenjutsu prodigy with a hydrafication bloodline would get put under Zabuza; anyone who's going to inherit the Kubikiribocho needs to be crazy-strong."

"... s-so what can we do to beat him?" Sakura asks.

"Nothing," Neji says flatly. "If any of you find yourselves opposite him in the arena, you should forfeit immediately."

"What on earth is that supposed to mean?" Ami scowls. "Even if my Katon jutsu won't work, I still-"

"Is becoming a chuunin worth your life?" Neji demands. "Don't tempt fate."

"Which one of them is Suigetsu?" you ask. "I didn't hear anything out of the ordinary from the three of them, aside from their strength. Do kekkei genkai show up on the Byakugan?"

"If it is indeed Suigetsu, he's the dark-haired one dressed as a girl."

"That's a guy?!" you and Kiba ask in unison.

"You couldn't tell?" Ami shakes her head in disappointment. "Even I could tell that turtleneck was hiding an Adam's apple."

"I couldn't smell anything but the damn water!" Kiba says, looking slightly disturbed.

"I just never bothered to learn," you say sheepishly. "Is it really that important?"

What're you talking about? Of course it's important! If it's a guy we can really let loose.

And we can't if it's a chick?

Call me old-fashioned; I don't much like hurting women.

The bedroom's an exception, apparently...

Oi! Stay out of those memories, those're for grownups!

"Anyone have anything on the Sound kids besides the little girl?" Kiba asks, obviously trying to change the subject.

"The older girl uses a lot of Earth techniques and exploding tags, supposedly," Shikamaru says. "But if you're asking where the hell Sound came from and who those guys really are, all I have are my own theories based on what little I do know."

"Well, fess up!" you say eagerly, leaning forward. Can't get the intel from Chouji in a room full of outsiders, natch. "Whacha got?"

"The first possibility is that missing-nin and other refugees of various villages have banded together under one S-rank nuke-nin," he begins. "The second is that one of the preexisting villages, possibly Iwa or Kumo, are using Oto as a front for operations they can't openly perform themselves and are now joining the Konoha-Suna-Kusa chuunin exams to further those ambitions and gain legitimacy. And the third is that they're a bunch of nobodies with a good hype machine at their disposal."

That sound about right to you? you ask.

As expected of Shika-chan; too clever by half, and too cautious to mention the last possibility.

What's that?

That Otogakure is a front for Konoha, not one of its enemies.

What? No way. What would we want with something like that?

Well, you have to admit it's a little strange the Hokage'd let ninja from a village no one seems to know anything about into Konoha - Whispering Mist is one thing, but no info at all, from the Akimichi spy ring? Someone's helping them keep themselves under wraps, I guarantee it.

Well it can't be us, you've seen what we're like. Even our enemies call us soft!

... well, keep it in mind, anyway.

The roundtable goes on. No one reports knowing anything about that Shigure guy you thought might show up, but given Gaara strolled into the tower twirling a bloodstained umbrella, you're guessing the point is moot. One less nasty opponent to worry about, you suppose.

Sayuri and Sakura are both set as far as defending against genjutsu goes; illusions are Sagiso's speciality, so they learned chakra suppression from her in the leadup to the exams. You suggest to Kiba that maybe he might be able to help them out with their taijutsu, seeing as Sayuri's build is similar to a lot of his female relatives so he might have some pointers based on having seen them. He isn't too fussed about the idea, but Akamaru seems to take a shine to Sakura and wheedles him into saying yes.

Chouji and Hinata are already sparring every day in preparation for the finals, but you have an idea or two that might improve their chances if they get matched up against one of the heavy hitters.

[X] Write in. Bear in mind the kind of opponents I'm throwing at you here.

-----

Or not so jocular. ^_^;

Guile · Oct 25, 2013

>Well it can't be us, you've seen what we're like. Even our enemies call us soft!
You know, I'm starting to see why people keep saying we're too nice to ninja.

Hymn of Ragnarok · Oct 25, 2013

Yep, not such a happy ending. Lupin has issues, I am sure.

Chouji and Hinata fighting the heavy hitters? Forfeiting is probably a good idea, yeah!

What? They're fucked against Dante!Gaara. Their best hope is he toys with them and they get a lucky shot in, but it's Dante in Gaara, if even a bit of the healing factor is as good as Dante's then he takes being impaled or pulverized as an alarm clock to go save the world.

Suigetsu is apparently even more of a monster. Boned. Not as far as against Gaara, but he might be even better than Dante!Gaara at taking impalement at this time, water and all.

Little girl, beat her up and try not to feel bad, work on genjutsu?

Might have been better off trying to do some intel on Mist and Sound, risk be damned.

Well, if Shika is willing to make scrolls or we are willing to make some lower quality ones, outfitting people with charged up Ranton might do some damage. Maybe. If we can produce Ranton energies for a Ranton bomb.

Otherwise, they sound like they're at of luck. There are some combat fucking MONSTERS in this exam.

Guile · Oct 25, 2013

Well, the issue is really to show competence as a ninja. Strategic and tactical acumen, information gathering, clever planning and even knowing when to give up all count. Ass kicking's important of course, but it's not the only thing.

Hinata, Chouji and Ami are all close-range fighters, they need a way to get in close. Shika-chan needs a way to keep people away, if Kiba gets in trouble he can just rifle his enemies and we... well, we should show off our incredible breadth and variety of talents to the judges, changing on the fly to find one that works best.

Hymn of Ragnarok · Oct 25, 2013

I think Hinata, Chouji, and Ami need to start worrying about how they're going to SURVIVE at close range. Two are melee juggernauts. Temari and Oto-girl are more ranged, I grant you, but I'm still not seeing how they could close in.

It seems like against the melee monsters they're hopelessly outclassed, and against the ranged monsters they have no reasonable hope of closing the distance. Or at least no hope they can count on and plan for ahead of time.

It sounds like what they need is some kind of alternate way to attack or dirty trick to employ, because in a straight confrontation they are in so much trouble.

Shintenshin into their body ahead of time so we Kai for them against Oto-girl? That's major blatant cheating though, like whoa, we could hide it with Lupin (assuming our Shintenshin is servicable as long as we're out of combat on a willing target), but this is still a bad option IMO.

Guile · Oct 25, 2013

We didn't learn Shintenshin, did we?

FurikoMaru · Oct 25, 2013

Guile said:
We didn't learn Shintenshin, did we?

You can do it, it just isn't combat-viable. You're perfectly successful at switching with a willing target.

Hymn of Ragnarok · Oct 25, 2013

Well, I guess Ino switching into an ally's body with Lupin taking the reins so fool anyone looking may be on the table so that we can Kai Oto girl. Not too keen on the idea though.

Guile · Oct 25, 2013

I suppose we could keep that plan in reserve for if she genjutsus one of our buddies. You think you've got 'em, suddenly you're in the mind at the heart of the Throne of the Mountain. Lupin says 'hi'.

We do need to come up with something to showcase their talents to the judges, though. Even if they are outmatched by the two combat monsters.

uju32 · Oct 25, 2013

FurikoMaru said:
[X] All his life has been one roller-coaster ride of dreams

Lupin the Third - Monkey Majik.
Amusing video.

One more to my second Z-slash.

FurikoMaru said:
Maa, ne. You get the distinct impression of a leer. I guess there are worse afterlives than being inside a cute blonde all day long.
Wow. Ami's right, I am revolting.

Live fast, die young, leave no corpse.
And yes Ino, you are revolting >

FurikoMaru said:
"Basically you've brought us all together to brag about how good you are at taking rumours seriously," Tenten says with a snort.
*snip*
"Well how do we know she isn't going to feed us a load of nothing to sabotage us?" the bun-headed girl interrupts. "She's at a disadvantage against half the people in this room in a straight-up fight; it's in her interests to knock some of us out of the competition."

And this is why Tenten will not make chuunin, even in the unlikely event of her beating everyone in this exam.
She lets personal feelings get in the way of free intel(even the fact of someone trying to deceive you is informative), she's unnecessarily aggravating possible allies [Team Shika, Team Medic] despite ignorance of the nature of the next exam, and she's underestimating a possible enemy.
She's supposed to be the pro here.
She must REALLY not like Ino.

FurikoMaru said:
"That person..." he says, "... he's an apprentice of Zabuza."
*snip*
"If it is indeed Suigetsu, he's the dark-haired one dressed as a girl."
"That's a guy?!" you and Kiba ask in unison.

Ino's surprise is just delicious.
Cross-dressing Suigetsu is gonna be FUN!

FurikoMaru said:
That Otogakure is a front for Konoha, not one of its enemies.
What? No way. What would we want with something like that?
Well, you have to admit it's a little strange the Hokage'd let ninja from a village no one seems to know anything about into Konoha - Whispering Mist is one thing, but no info at all, from the Akimichi spy ring? Someone's helping them keep themselves under wraps, I guarantee it.

And GM-chan keeps us guessing.
Sound could be rogue, could be working with Konoha undercover, or could even be an unsanctioned op with Root.
Hell there were indications in canon that it WAS an unsanctioned op with Root.

FurikoMaru said:
Well it can't be us, you've seen what we're like. Even our enemies call us soft!
... well, keep it in mind, anyway.

Ino, Ino, Ino
*shakes head*
For all your intelligence you're still a little naive.
Good thing you have a significantly more experienced schemer to mentor you.

FurikoMaru said:
The roundtable goes on. No one reports knowing anything about that Shigure guy you thought might show up, but given Gaara strolled into the tower twirling a bloodstained umbrella, you're guessing the point is moot. One less nasty opponent to worry about, you suppose.

And there goes the Ame team again, like in canon.
I thought no fatality rules were in effect?
Being Ame is suffering.

Hymn of Ragnarok · Oct 25, 2013

You know what, I'm not sure if this was ever asked, but I'm asking now.

Is Orochimaru known as a missing-nin? Cause if it turns out he never left to begin with and we haven't heard of him all this time, GOD DAMN.

FurikoMaru · Oct 25, 2013

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
You know what, I'm not sure if this was ever asked, but I'm asking now.

Is Orochimaru known as a missing-nin? Cause if it turns out he never left to begin with and we haven't heard of him all this time, GOD DAMN.

He's so missing no one has had a fucking clue where he is for the past decade.

Hymn of Ragnarok · Oct 25, 2013

FurikoMaru said:
He's so missing no one has had a fucking clue where he is for the past decade.

Well, I'm sure he's enjoying the peace and quiet (and soothing atmosphere of screaming test subjects) wherever he is.

Hymn of Ragnarok · Oct 25, 2013

Actually.....can you help us out by giving us an idea of Hinata and Chouji's capabilities? Do they have any new skills we/they can exploit?

FurikoMaru · Oct 25, 2013

Hinata is better off than in canon. She isn't very good at the Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms yet, but she's been taught it; there's no question of Hanabi replacing her as the heir. Her big general issue is - as always - speed; she's faster than her canon self, but she's not going to be fast enough to keep up with Suigetsu or Gaara if she's matched up with them, not unless you come up with something I deem possible to achieve within three or four days. Genjutsu is of course not a problem for her.

Speed is also one of Chouji's big problems, but it's not his only one. He's really terrible at telling when he's in a genjutsu and no great shakes at kai-ing, either; he's of the bite-the-inside-of-your-mouth school of genjutsu-dispelling. Furthermore, his Nikudan Sensha has the same rhino-at-full-speed problem as in canon, and it's the only nintaijutsu trick he currently has. You don't tend to do much training when your best friend is Shikamaru.

Guile · Oct 25, 2013

FurikoMaru said:
Hinata is better off than in canon. She isn't very good at the Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms yet, but she's been taught it; there's no question of Hanabi replacing her as the heir. Her big general issue is - as always - speed; she's faster than her canon self, but she's not going to be fast enough to keep up with Suigetsu or Gaara if she's matched up with them, not unless you come up with something I deem possible to achieve within three or four days. Genjutsu is of course not a problem for her.

Speed is also one of Chouji's big problems, but it's not his only one. He's really terrible at telling when he's in a genjutsu and no great shakes at kai-ing, either; he's of the bite-the-inside-of-your-mouth school of genjutsu-dispelling. Furthermore, his Nikudan Sensha has the same rhino-at-full-speed problem as in canon, and it's the only nintaijutsu trick he currently has. You don't tend to do much training when your best friend is Shikamaru.

Ah, Chouji. Durable as all hell, reasonably destructive, but not a chance in hell of hitting anybody with it. It's only when he gets the next level that he turns into a monster. The only thing I can think of with him is he needs a way to keep his enemy in place for at least 5 seconds. How is he at using ninja wire or deploying explosive tags?

Hinata needs all the smoke bombs or flashbangs. I assume her eyes can compensate, anyway.

Hymn of Ragnarok · Oct 25, 2013

Well Chouji sounds like he is just boned.

Well....hmm. Okay, maybe he's not, but it requires us to more or less blatantly cheat. And I don't feel as good about us cheating to get them through the one on one matches.

Essentially, we use our own genjutsu via False Surroundings to guide Chouji towards a target in spite of whatever genjutsu he goes under.

It's not a very good idea, IMO.

Hinata....not as boned, but boned is boned. Can't think of how to make her faster. Get Neji to try teaching her? He's probably a pretty bad match.

Come up with a custom genjutsu to teach to Hinata that helps? VERY implausible, considering what's already on our plate. Although tricking Suigetsu into thinking he's stick in human form and nullifying some of his advantages sounds entertaining if it'll stick.

Beg off favors from Gaara and Suigetsu to get them to toy wih the Konoha nin? Also probably a bad idea.

....We....COULD allow them to sign our Summon Contract and arrange for schools of stored chakra? But that's blowing one of our trumps on them and our fledgling spy network may be sunk for naught. Also, compatibility.

Have them Reverse Summon themselves and arrange for some way to Reverse Summon them back? I dunno.

Man, there's just no obvious ways for them to beat the monsters here. Guile might be on to something.

Nitramy had an interest method for Chouji. Chouji rolls around trailing ninja wired attached to loads of kunai so that even near misses entangle and hurt people. Thing is, Gaara and Suigetsu just plain don't give a damn. Might work on Oto-girl.

If Hinata can somehow learn Bringer of Darkness or already knows it, or Tree Binding Death, it may help her out. Kurenai, yo.

If we could get them good ranged attacks, that may be best, but it seems infeasible.

FurikoMaru · Oct 25, 2013

Guile said:
Ah, Chouji. Durable as all hell, reasonably destructive, but not a chance in hell of hitting anybody with it. It's only when he gets the next level that he turns into a monster. The only thing I can think of with him is he needs a way to keep his enemy in place for at least 5 seconds. How is he at using ninja wire or deploying explosive tags?

Fair.

Guile said:
Hinata needs all the smoke bombs or flashbangs. I assume her eyes can compensate, anyway.

They can.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
Well Chouji sounds like he is just boned.

Well....hmm. Okay, maybe he's not, but it requires us to more or less blatantly cheat. And I don't feel as good about us cheating to get them through the one on one matches.

Essentially, we use our own genjutsu via False Surroundings to guide Chouji towards a target in spite of whatever genjutsu he goes under.

It's not a very good idea, IMO.

One of the rules of the one-on-one spars is expressly that no one can remotely assist anyone else, so yeah, that's probably not gonna cut it.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
Come up with a custom genjutsu to teach to Hinata that helps? VERY implausible, considering what's already on our plate. Although tricking Suigetsu into thinking he's stick in human form and nullifying some of his advantages sounds entertaining if it'll stick.

It probably won't. You've never possessed someone with the hydrafication bloodline before, so you have no idea how it works from the inside, meaning you can't properly model a problem with it.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
Have them Reverse Summon themselves and arrange for some way to Reverse Summon them back? I dunno.

Hee! I like this one. I didn't even think of that.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
If Hinata can somehow learn Bringer of Darkness or already knows it, or Tree Binding Death, it may help her out. Kurenai, yo.

She really won't be managing that. She could be good at genjutsu, but up til now she's sunk all her effort into her taijutsu.

FurikoMaru · Oct 25, 2013

I feel like I rushed the 'wah I left my friends all alone' conversation. Should I add more evasiveness near the start? Lupin isn't usually the wallowing type, so that's where I can conceivably lengthen the exchange.

Vindictus · Oct 25, 2013

FurikoMaru said:
It probably won't. You've never possessed someone with the hydrafication bloodline before, so you have no idea how it works from the inside, meaning you can't properly model a problem with it.

Obviously, we need to posess Suigetsu in his sleep to figure out exactly how his body works. Once we've thoroughly explored said body, we need to teach our allies how to puppet it for the maximum effect- To poke it and prod it until it does exactly what they want it to-

... Why's everyone looking at me funny?

Unclouded · Oct 25, 2013

FurikoMaru said:
I feel like I rushed the 'wah I left my friends all alone' conversation. Should I add more evasiveness near the start? Lupin isn't usually the wallowing type, so that's where I can conceivably lengthen the exchange.

Like Ino said he's had thirteen years to wallow in it. Seems fine to me, but it's your show; you want to elaborate it's up to you.

Just giving a heads up that I'll be out of town this weekend so good luck on votes and thanks for the work Furiko.

FurikoMaru · Oct 25, 2013

Unclouded said:
Just giving a heads up that I'll be out of town this weekend so good luck on votes and thanks for the work Furiko.

Wow, this quest is a weeaboo's dream come true; first people start calling me Furiko-chan and now someone gives me a proper ots'karesama deshita. :3

Have a good weekend!

uju32 · Oct 25, 2013

Tools, tools tools.

Everyone should get flashbangs against the Sound girl; genjutsu is hard to cast if you can't see your target.

If shock tags are a thing here, then equipping everyone with Lightning- or Ranton-charged seals should be very useful against Suigetsu, whose bloodline has a pretty large elemental weakness.
Lightning >Water.

Chouji might be able to use ninja wire to get the Lightning to his target, assuming he can lay his hands on an appropriate Scroll.
Shock tags/lightning seals to paralyze/stun Suigetsu, then hit him with a Meat Tank.
Only thing I can think of.
Besides that he needs training in genjutsu suppression.

Hinata in particular would benefit from smoke and flashbangs against Suigetsu; he might have been trained in Silent Killing, but having to rely on your other senses puts you at a disadvantage against someone who can SEE.
Whether she is fast and silent enough to take advantage remains to be seen.
We could help here; our sensing makes us a workable stand-in for a Silent Killer, if she needs to practice.
And smoke/flashbangs is a viable tactic against any other melee character like Kankuro.

Sakura?
Poisons; she's been studying iryojutsu, she should have pharmaceutical knowledge
And given that Kiba is helping out there and has some medic knowledge, it should help.

Of course, all of this only helps against the others.
Against Gaara?
Depends on how much a storage scroll can hold.
I would be thinking of huge amounts of stored water as an option to slow his sand, but it's only viable for people like Neji or Lee who might be able to match him speed or taijutsu wise.

Sometimes the best option is not to play.

uju32 · Oct 25, 2013

FurikoMaru said:
I feel like I rushed the 'wah I left my friends all alone' conversation. Should I add more evasiveness near the start? Lupin isn't usually the wallowing type, so that's where I can conceivably lengthen the exchange.

Seems fine to me.
It's been 13 years; hardly a fresh wound IMO, especially for someone who was never big on grief.

Hymn of Ragnarok · Oct 25, 2013

FurikoMaru said:
I feel like I rushed the 'wah I left my friends all alone' conversation. Should I add more evasiveness near the start? Lupin isn't usually the wallowing type, so that's where I can conceivably lengthen the exchange.

FurikoMaru said:
Fair.
They can.
One of the rules of the one-on-one spars is expressly that no one can remotely assist anyone else, so yeah, that's probably not gonna cut it.
It probably won't. You've never possessed someone with the hydrafication bloodline before, so you have no idea how it works from the inside, meaning you can't properly model a problem with it.
Hee! I like this one. I didn't even think of that.
She really won't be managing that. She could be good at genjutsu, but up til now she's sunk all her effort into her taijutsu.

Actually, depending on the hydrification bloodline lightning may not do much to Suigetsu. Here's the thing, water does not conduct electricity very well. What conducts it are the metals inside the water. So if Suigetsu is 'pure' water, like the ionized stuff? He'll laugh at our stuff. Oh it'll hurt, but not like getting hit with a fireball hot enough to make him evaporate. And who knows what chakra-water does.

FurikoMaru said:
One of the rules of the one-on-one spars is expressly that no one can remotely assist anyone else, so yeah, that's probably not gonna cut it.

Yeah, we'd have to not get caught, and under the eye of the Sandaime and others....yeah, no, just no, even we probably can't pull that off.

It probably won't. You've never possessed someone with the hydrafication bloodline before, so you have no idea how it works from the inside, meaning you can't properly model a problem with it.

I'm not trying to model the hydraficition bloodline. More....we know what a human body is supposed to be like and Suigetsu is in human form, so casting a genjutsu saying, "Hey, you're like a normal person now who cant shapeshift, this is what your brain is telling you, no you can't break it you sucker, have fun with that!"

He'll probably notice right quick.

Hee! I like this one. I didn't even think of that.

You mean you want them to try to get their own summons, or literally steal a page out of Cheaters Prosper's book and do it to their opponents?

FurikoMaru said:
I feel like I rushed the 'wah I left my friends all alone' conversation. Should I add more evasiveness near the start? Lupin isn't usually the wallowing type, so that's where I can conceivably lengthen the exchange.

Mmm...if you're fishing for suggestions, maybe more along the lines of smiling and saying, "Seriously, I don't wanna talk about it, I hate being miserable and moody, and yes I am in fact pretty damn good at running from my problems, did it successfully right up until the end of my life and oh god damn it here I go again FUCK."

Alright, I let that idea get away from me there.

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