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When you think about it the Rule breaker thing is mostly about a mechanic wich while out of pocket isn't without merits, I mean when Rin made a contract with Saber she had all the Command seals that were lost from what I remember, could be wrong was some time since read the VN or watched the anime.

The problem with Shirou being related to Ritsuka is that there is no basis aside from her hair color, the dates not match, this one was from a singularity and even the way Chaldea makes their travel to those singularities goes against this, if it was a situation like Redline I would understand but Chaldea's systems are made to avoid those situations

Wasn't Rin's case just it being a regular summoning after Caster died?

I'm probably just sipping silly juice with the Grandpa thing and rolling with it.
 
When you think about it the Rule breaker thing is mostly about a mechanic wich while out of pocket isn't without merits, I mean when Rin made a contract with Saber she had all the Command seals that were lost from what I remember, could be wrong was some time since read the VN or watched the anime.

The problem with Shirou being related to Ritsuka is that there is no basis aside from her hair color, the dates not match, this one was from a singularity and even the way Chaldea makes their travel to those singularities goes against this, if it was a situation like Redline I would understand but Chaldea's systems are made to avoid those situations
She did not saber volunteered to stay around if she did get more she would need to forcefully take or be given command seals from the remaining living master or there corpses, or the grail itself replenish them when she made a contract with saber. The fate sites are giving me 2 different answers and I don't feel like replaying the VN. As for castor getting saber with rule breaker what actually happen was she severed the contract with shirou and then kidnapped saber put her in a dress and then preceded to tortured her to agree in forming a contract with her. Rule breaker only severed the master servant bond it does not make a new one the servant has to agree to the contract for it to form which the grail (I'm going with the grail gives new command seals) will grant seals for the new contract.
 
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Considering kazuma was putting nails in his own coffin consistently turn about is only fair. I want to know if eris going to get punished by the other gods for breaking so many rules for kazuma Considering it was both said and shown by aqua that she wasn't that high on the deity food chain.
Honestly it how things are the blame will be on alaya. Her need for revenge cause the doom of all.
 
Wasn't Rin's case just it being a regular summoning after Caster died?

I'm probably just sipping silly juice with the Grandpa thing and rolling with it.
More like they made a new contracted after Caster died Wich is why she got the Command seals

She did not saber volunteered to stay around if she did get more she would need to forcefully take or be given command seals from the remaining living master or there corpses, or the grail itself replenish them when she made a contract with saber. The fate sites are giving me 2 different answers and I don't feel like replaying the VN. As for castor getting saber with rule breaker what actually happen was she severed the contract with shirou and then kidnapped saber put her in a dress and then preceded to tortured her to agree in forming a contract with her. Rule breaker only severed the master servant bond it does not make a new one the servant has to agree to the contract for it to form which the grail (I'm going with the grail gives new command seals) will grant seals for the new contract.
She also used a Command seal to make Saber attack Shirou and Rin with Excalibur so she got the Command seals when using Rule Breaker
 
More like they made a new contracted after Caster died Wich is why she got the Command seals


She also used a Command seal to make Saber attack Shirou and Rin with Excalibur so she got the Command seals when using Rule Breaker
Wasn't there also the thing with Archer's 'betrayal' and him being stabbed by Medea?
 
I am actually finding this funny more because kazuma can't get revenge for his really deserve headshot he got. He was going to get killed eventually not a question of when but whom was going to do it
I mean was it deserved when this mess is happening because Alaya is apparently Aqua levels of incompetent?

Also since that Shirou was using a gun was he really the FGO Shirou and not the Kazuma Singularity Shirou?

Wait that also asks the question of "who did that Shirou get with" because it isnt Rin (if its Singularity Shirou)

Also also! Killing people in Singularities doesnt matter i think? The counterforce just corrects the timeline after the fact, maybe
 
I mean was it deserved when this mess is happening because Alaya is apparently Aqua levels of incompetent?

Also since that Shirou was using a gun was he really the FGO Shirou and not the Kazuma Singularity Shirou?

Wait that also asks the question of "who did that Shirou get with" because it isnt Rin (if its Singularity Shirou)

Also also! Killing people in Singularities doesnt matter i think? The counterforce just corrects the timeline after the fact, maybe
That's part of the reasons for why I found that weird, alongside other things I mentioned
 
Cu-nosuba Chapter 35a27: A Harsh Descent Begins. New
"Send me back." Achilles says to Goredolf as medical staff tends to Jack, Amakusa, and Darnic.

"W-why do you want to go back?" Goredolf asks, shaky from Achilles' glare.

"I need to kill a red head…slowly if possible."

"A-absolutely not! They are a master and-" Goredolf stammers when a hand grips his neck, limiting the air he can breath.

"I'm not asking!" He says as Chiron grips his shoulder.

"Calm yourself Achilles; I don't believe this man has anything to do with that. We should try and gather some info first."

"You're just saying that because no one here wants to fuck us!"

"Didn't think Heroic spirits would have low self esteem." A medical staff says off hand while tending to Amakusa, making Achilles tighten his grip on Goredolf a moment.

"Language…" Jack says from the floor.

"…I thought you were unconscious…" Achilles says, now dropping Goredolf.

"We're getting there…Can we go back and kill the red haired guy too?" Jack asks with vacant eyes.

"No…they are still- wait…guy?" Goredolf asks, now confusing the Servants as a beeping is heard.

"We lost him!"



===

"How the Hell are you two related?!" Kazuma asks.

"I just told you. Grandpa."

"You know what I mean! Who the Hell did he even get with?! The only women I saw in Fuyuki are dead, dead and hate him, or moved to another world!"

"I'm not telling you my family tree! You stripped me in public, photographed it, and nearly killed me at least 3 times in less then twenty minutes now…and even if you didn't this is not the time for such a talk!" Ritsuka says as Gilgamesh laughs once more, launching a dozen weapons their way.

"Then why didn't you use that special ticket to get him out of here?!"

"I was going too, but after seeing all the Servants that want him dead, one of whom is not usually known for holding a grudge, I fear he may have enemies in Chaldea, and not just the ones I put there, also wanting to kill him now! And I doubt a beyond furious Lancelot would do well in Chaldea!"

"Why not?!"

"There are many versions of Artoria there, and he will probably wreck the place trying to kill them!" Ritsuka says, and Kazuma remains quiet after a halfhearted moment of trying to yell at her.



===



Gilgamesh pulls the knives out of Shirou's shoulders and gives him a healing tonic while firing more weapons at approaching Servants with one hand. A moment later Shirou is better.

"Thanks Gilga- Ack…" Shirou starts coughing more and more. Gilgamesh looks and sees Semiramis unleashing poison in the room.

"Don't worry. It's a quick death~." Semiramis says with a smile, prompting a dozen spears her way. Each one deflected with a shield or hastily summoned beast.

Ritsuka raises a hand and hits Shirou with a healing code.

"I shall remember this mongrel, and be kinder in your training!" Gilgamesh says, and Ritsuka nearly chokes.

===



MHX nearly cleaves Artoria with her landing cut before quickly kicking Artoria in her unarmored stomach. As she readies her shotgun to blow the Saber's head off, Mordred appears and hits the shotgun, denting the barrel and changing the trajectory of the shot to harmlessly hit a wall. MHX tries to bring it back with the recoil to Mordred's head only to find the edge of a shield coming her way. They all jump back, and now look at Mash.

"What are you doing here?!" All three ask.

"You killed father!" Mash says pointing to MHX.

"Then you can help us overc-"

"You probably troubled him." Mash says now pointing to Artoria.

"I did n- Well…Would you believe me if I said he wanted that?"

"I will not believe such a blatant lie!"

"She's not lying!" Karna yells from the other room.

"…My truthfulness settled, what are you planning?" Artoria asks.

"To kill you."

"Shouldn't you be defending your master?" Mordred asks.

"She said it was alright for me to pursue this for my personal reasons on top of you being a threat. She also has Scathach to protect her."

"Then we have a common objective!" MHX says with a smile.

"I'm killing you first!" Mash says.

"No, I am!" Mordred says, slashing at Mash. MHX goes straight for Artoria, prompting the other two to attack MHX, who alternates and juggles her two swords and shotgun while fighting all three knights, pushing back with blade and bullet, before narrowly forcing them all back.

"We all want her dead…Stop preventing me!" MHX says.

"Never!" Mordred shouts as Artoria takes a breath.

"…It is obvious which one of us is strongest. That is why I suggest we three work together to kill her and end her madness." Artoria says.

"Why do you think I would help you?" Mash asks.

"…One for all and all for one." Artoria says, drawing odd looks from the other three.

"What is that line supposed to mean here? Or are you fond of Dumas and Shakespeare?" Mash asks with a squinted eye.

"It was the words your father said to try and smooth out a situation some time ago. I believe a temporary truce to deal with this enraged Saber-" Artoria says, making MHX vibrate with a fury that can threaten the cosmos as she continues.

"Is the best course of action before deciding who can try to get my head."

"That sounds like a lie!"

"It isn't!" Karna shouts, deflating Mash for a moment.

"My…relationship with Lancelot was an odd one the last few days. But to see him stabbed in the back, especially when he regained his sanity, is cause enough for me to kill her, and then we can settle the matter regarding myself… Or do you need that prone lie detector to ascertain my words again? Or do you genuinely believe out of the three Sabers here she can be reasoned with?" Artoria asks, causing foam to form in the corner of MHX's mouth, and after a long moment, Mash and Mordred turn to MHX.

"Unbelievable…what madness is this, a Saber using a shield?! Are they infecting the other classes?!"

===



Gilgamesh would have used the chains and killed Semiramis within a second were it not for the oddest sight stunning both him and Shirou now.

"Cure Poison…Cure Poison…Cure Poison…!" Both Kazuma and Servant Kazuma say, hitting both his own side, as well as Gilgamesh and Shirou. After the third time they realize it is not accidental.

'This is even more bizarre than the prior fight back at the castle…' Gilgamesh thinks as Shirou looks on stunned.

Semiramis summons more beasts and sends them after Kazuma, preparing a mana beam as the others are distracted with the beasts.

Gilgamesh takes out some popcorn and hands Shirou a bag.

"…Seriously?"

"Are you not curious why they are expending an effort to save us? Besides, do you not find it amusing how they struggle while we do nothing at all?"

"…It is rather curious since I shot him in the head as soon as I arrived." Shirou says before taking the popcorn and watching.

"This is why you're the best human in this day and age." Gilgamesh says.

"Why…are you….protecting him!?" Semiramis shouts, knuckles going white from her grip on the railing.

"You think I want to?!" Servant Kazuma shouts back.

"I can use the summon again and-"

"Don't, you'll probably summon Servants on our side again." Rin says, cutting off Ritsuka.

"That has never happened before! It's random, so I doubt it'll happen again!"

"Deja vu…" Megumin says before gasping as the roof is torn off, a giant winged beast under Semiramis' command appears.

"That is so cool! I must blow it up!" Megumin says with glowing red eyes, making Kazuma, Emiya, and Rin pale as she begins the chant, sigils appearing.

"That looks like a potent spell…" Gilgamesh says while looking up.

"That could be interesting to use. Would you mind giving a demonstration so I can learn this spell?" Scathach asks.

"Of course!"

"No!" Kazuma and Rin shout.

"But I could be a dragon slayer of both worlds! A-and I am not really good at stopping when I get to this point…" Megumin whines as Ritsuka takes Megumin's hat. Scathach meanwhile aims her spear at the dragon, the now glowing spear aimed at the beast's heart.

"Gae-"

"Hey, give that-"

Megumin vanishes, turning into gold, her sigil fading.

Scathach also vanishes, as does Emiya.

Ritsuka looks at her phone in abject shock.

Avicebron glares at Ritsuka.

"…Random huh?" Kazuma asks.

"I took Megumin's hat to act as a catalyst for summoning her to save us from a fiery death…I did not expect to get teacher and Emiya again…" Ritsuka says.

"Fair enough…" Kazuma says.



===

"Nothing will stop me from-"

"Bolg!" Scathach says, blinking as her Noble Phantasm shoots out, hitting Achilles in the chest, sending him through multiple walls.

"What in the world…?" Megumin asks while looking around.

"Stay away from me you sex obsessed Irish per-wait…I'm not in that room?" Atalanta asks out loud, appearing next to them.

Scathach sighs.

"That young Master really does have some odd luck…" Emiya says.



===

Artoria, Mordred, and Mash fight against MHX, finding little success. Despite her new class, it seems she has become more sensible, focusing more on carnage based results than posing and making dramatic claims, on top of Avalon rendering whatever damage they manage to inflict, moot. The three stagger back, winded a moment.

"Let me kill this foul Saber, and I'll grant you two quicker deaths." MHX offers.

"What kind of man do you think I am?! I would rather die than be killed by you, imposter father!" Mordred shouts before attacking MHX.

Mash takes a moment to register what Mordred says and Artoria raises a hand while grimacing.

'It may be critical…but I still hate this…' Artoria thinks before steeling herself as Mordred is knocked back, Artoria's hand now glowing.

"Steal!" She shouts, as a flash of light fills the room. When it fades, she is holding her sheathe again.

"What the-?!"

"Where did you learn that?!"

"An innocent prodigy taught me how to use it during one rainy night over muffins after we were both victims of that miscreant…I hate having to use it, but now that I have Avalon again, prepare to die you fake Saber!"

'We may actually have a chance now…Without that sheathe, we can now wound MHX!' Mash thinks with a smile before realizing something.

'But now I can't kill Artoria!' She thinks before seeing Artoria grin at her.

"I only said you can try to get my head. Not that you could." Artoria says, making Mash scowl.





===



Medea hands Servant Kazuma Rule Breaker and he stabs Karna, getting a monotone 'ow' before giving Karna water. A moment later he stands back up and looks at the dragon, Gilgamesh, and Semiramis.

"Which one shall I kill first?" Karna asks, getting a chuckle from Gilgamesh.

"I suggest the dragon. I have to teach this little fake Assassin a lesson, and you have no means of killing me." Gilgamesh says, making Karna raise an eyebrow.

Shakespeare places a hand on Karna's shoulder.

"Do not fret…I may not be fearsome in battle, or possess any skills relating to combat, but I do have instinct. Not the instinct of a warrior, but of a writer, and I know, on some unexplainable way, how to kill this….mongrel~ -" Shakespeare says, making Gilgamesh frown.

"- in one dramatic penultimate movement!"

"…I'll have to be sure to kill this dragon quickly before the final curtain call." Karna says with a grin before jumping forward, tackling the dragon into open air for an aerial battle.

Shakespeare raises a hand towards Gilgamesh's direction but stops.

"…If we meet again, hand me this…and do not read it, it is unpolished." He says, handing his notes to Kazuma.

"Why don't you want me to read-"

"The last time someone saw my notes I was voted out and punched out of a church. Also, the last few pages will be a fine taunt for a certain blonde lady." Shakespeare says with a wink before speaking.

"First Folio!"

The next moment Shirou is crying out in abject fear while backing into a wall.

"Not the snakes…Not the snakes!" Shirou shouts, making Ritsuka glare at Shakespeare raising her hand only to be picked up by the scruff of her neck and lifted slightly into the air by Servant Kazuma.

"Hey what are you-" Ritsuka says while trying to shake out of the grip.

"Wait…this panic…that impossible flood earlier in the air…that was you?!" Gilgamesh grits his teeth while looking fully at the bard.

"Indeed! I can call upon the horrors of any being, and turn them into a whimpering child…though I suppose thou is already a child!" Shakespeare says with a showman rising of his hands.

Gilgamesh hurls a dozen spears at the bard.

They miss.

Not because the Bard was fast enough, but because the floor moved him out of the wave, turning the ground under Shakespeare into a mobile disc, further distracting Gilgamesh.

Avicebron stands with fists on his hips, delighted at annoying a foe and saving an odd ally. Gilgamesh grabs the horrified Shirou and jumps up to the floor near Semiramis for a better angle. Before Semiramis can react, she is tied up in chain around a pillar.

"Do you really think two Casters being in another's workshop has any chance to do anything but annoy me?"

"Is that fear I hear~?" Shakespeare says, before becoming enveloped in chains.

'…I really hope my writer instincts are right…'

"By my Cwomannd Sweal, use your Noble Phantasm!"

"By this hand, wrongs shall once more be made right…Transpose!" Servant Kazuma says.



===



Artoria chuckles as she approaches MHX, who is now bloodied and breathing heavily after a swift round of fighting. Artoria nearly laughs uproariously but restrains herself.

'I can laugh after a few more deaths~.' Artoria thinks as MHX wobbles from a dozen cuts, Mordred breathing heavily nearby, and Mash glaring at her.

"You truly are a failure as a savior…But an adequate Saber~." Artoria says, momentarily surprised when MHX straightens up despite her exhaustion. Artoria raises her blade and brings it down as a white light envelopes her.

'Is this some ability from space?!' Artoria thinks before following through on her strike and only hitting air as she is blinded. When she can see again, she is hanging from her neck in the air, a different sight in front of her now.

Shakespeare tangled up in chains, Gilgamesh posed to kill him, Rin, Cu, and Jeanne nearby…with open mouths.

Artoria looks down and sees she is wearing a trench coat, and feels an odd material on her under said trench coat.

"What…in the…?"

Before she can react, another hand grips part of the trench coat, and only through means of odd magic rips it off of her, showing Artoria off in a mix of strings and furry pads.

Gilgamesh freezes and looks at her with all the focus he can muster, making the chains around Shakespeare grow lax.

The Bard also cranes his neck while in a pile of chains to engrave every detail into his mind for his work.

Artoria squeaks and covers herself as best she can before turning to see the latest target of her fury.

It is not a new target.

Kazuma grins as Medea smiles like a fool, camera in hand.

Robin Mordred struts atop Servant Kazuma's head, proud of this petty victory.

Even Jeanne grins.

'So that's why she has phobia of dresses…' Semiramis thinks.

"How the Hell did you do this?! And why am I in such…such…!"

Artoria's wrists are grabbed by chains and hoisted upward, showing her off to everyone present.

"My, what a sight." Gilgamesh says, making one Artoria's eyes turn yellow.

"The snakes!" Shirou shouts helplessly behind him.

"To answer your earlier question, its one of my Noble Phantasms Elizabeth." Kazuma says.

"There's nothing noble about this!" Artoria says as Kazuma makes her swing slightly like a lurid ornament.

"…I hate that I still agree with her…" Rin says.

"I don't. Got anything more embarrassing for her to wear?" Jeanne asks, making Medea smile even more.

'You have a real grudge problem if you're ok with this…' Leticia thinks at Jeanne.

'Huh, Was wondering when you would speak up again. You've been quiet.'

'What can I say in this situation?'
Leticia thinks back before Jeanne hears chewing sounds.

'Is…Is that popcorn?'

'No, pickle chips.'


The chains around Artoria, Shakespeare, and Semiramis grow lax, allowing all three to escape, look on in shock, or kick Kazuma into letting them go.

Artoria materializes her dress, bits of fur still visible on her neck as she looks up with a gasp at the purple armored man wrestling with Gilgamesh, swinging him around with both arms looped around him.

"Lancelot?! You're alive?!" She shouts.

"Yes my King…Though my 'Battle Continuation' will not hold for much longer…You know what must be done!" Lancelot manages to say before grabbing Semiramis with one hand.

"Let me go!"

"Never!"

"Mad dog, I will-" Gilgamesh fires a spear, but Lancelot dodges, the weapon taking one of Semiramis' arms.

"GAH! Not again!"

Artoria raises her sword.

"Thank you Lancelot…Your death will not be in vain. I may almost forgive you with this act!"

"My King!" Lancelot says with a tear down his cheek as Mordred enters the room, and sees Artoria raising her blade. Mordred stands nearby and raises her sword, before Gilgamesh launches two spears.

One makes Artoria leap to the side, and the other hits Mordred's blade, sending it flying to Artoria. She catches it with one hand and pauses a moment before tossing Excalibur to Mordred. Mordred caches it and her jaw drops.

"Do not misunderstand. I am not giving it to you, but you should know what you will be wielding if you should succeed in your wish. Besides, it has been awhile since Clarent has been in your care and wanted to see how badly you mistreated her." Artoria says. Mordred smiles and raises the sword in tandem with Artoria.

"EX-" Mordred starts to say.

"Clarent-" Artoria starts to say.



===

Alaya gasps, a very deep seated dread instantly bringing her out of a blissful, subservient high.

"Something terrible is happening!"

"Are you finally going to help us?!" Aqua shouts while standing on shaky legs on top of an unsteady stone pillar, A Fergus on each side trying to topple it.

"Not you, you deserve this. I'm talking about humanity!"

"How can you say that?! This is why you're the least favorite entity in the Heavens you spoiled bra-" Aqua's yelling stops when the pillar cracks, leading to her falling to the circling Fergusi.

The door protecting Eris and the angels finally breaks.

"Lurk!" Eris says, and she becomes invisible along with the angels.

"That won't work…I can still smell you~." Fergus says as another two versions of himself appears, making one angel clasp Eris mouth shut to muffle the warble of despair, and the other throw a perfume bottle on the floor as Aqua's cries soon start hitting a different note.



===

Karna appears behind Gilgamesh, Semiramis, and Lancelot.

'I knew he would make a good ally…' Karna thinks before going to grab the vacant eyed and twitching Shirou, but a spear appears and stabs through Shirou's shirt, sending him flying to the next room.

Karna is stunned a moment before following the spear.

'…It feels like he's done that before.' Karna thinks.

"-CALIBUR!"

"-BLOOD ARTHUR!"

The beams go fourth and hit all three Servants, erasing them in a glorious light of yellow and red.

The dust settles and both Sabers trade blades.

The Gardens make a groaning sound as whatever kept it afloat is gone, now making it descend.

Artoria turns back to face the others, raising her blade after a flourish.

"Are you seriously going to pick a fight with us after all that and now of all times?!" Cu asks.

"Why wouldn't I? Even if I do not kill him, making him stay long enough here for the Gardens to crash and kill him is victory enough!" Artoria says, prompting Shakespeare to raise a hand. Mordred pales and glares at the bard.

"Don't you care about getting the Grail?" Rin asks, trying to distract Saber and not grin at seeing her panic.

"I doubt any Grail in this lawless war can grant my wish…it really needed a proper to keep things from spiraling out of control." Artoria says, making Jeanne's twitch and turn gold. Shakespeare hand starts to glow as pages begin to rise.

"Fourth time is bound to be the charm, and a ruined castle should make for a fine setting for your grave." Artoria says, making the Bard pause and lower his hand.

"…Shakespeare." Kazuma says.

"Just think! A castle falling from the Heavens, acting as a countdown for the final fight between two heroes is a promising climax!." Shakespeare says.

"Shakespeare you bastard!"

"I refuse to acknowledge him as a hero." Artoria says.

"It's not his fault she makes a good point." Avicebron says.

"He!" Mordred says, before a rip appears, and Alaya pulls Mordred through.

"Mordred?!" Artoria shouts.

"Mon Dieu, ce sont tous des idiots…" Jeanne says with a hand at her head as the Gardens starts picking up speed.

"…Can't you just stab her again and make her not be a threat?"

"Sorry…was still day dreaming about that last outfit." Medea says, readying Rule Breaker.

She vanishes, turning into Golden sparkles, along with Avicebron and Cu Chulainn.

"…God damn red heads…" Kazuma mutters as Artoria approaches with a smile, Shakespeare making his notes return to him as he begins chronicling this final showdown.
 
Looks like its heading to the final event. Poor Aqua, yeah I can see Alaya going to get the blame in the end. Will have to wonder if Aqua is to latch onto kazuma even more after everything as kazuma would realize what happened to her is what almost happened to him with thw female orcs.
 

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