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Kill Six Billion Demons

aabbcc said:
And David is just as trapped by his sin as the others we've gotten a good glimpse of.
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Which is weird to me, because David seems like the most well-adjusted of the lot, and that's counting the heroes & Zoss. Being unwilling to be a serial rapist, for example, is not being trapped by morality.

Like, "The Strongest Rule" is a thing where the rest of the sentence goes ", because everyone else is gonna get mowed down by a single disgruntled person with superpowers.".

Zoss can talk all the smack he wants, but he literally handed out seven hundred seventy seven thousand seven hundred seventy seven bargain-bin exaltations & then did absolutely nothing to stop the multiversal slaughter that came afterwards.
 
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2 Hot Crown Subdues the Sinful said:
Which is weird to me, because David seems like the most well-adjusted of the lot, and that's coubting the heroes & Zoss. Being unwilling to be a serial rapist, for example, is not being trapped by morality.
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It's not morality that's chaining him.

Look at his, well, everything. Every little thing in that tournament, every little thing in his world, in his government? It's designed to feed his pride.

It's not enough to win a match, he has to be presented with a dozen resplendent attendants making sure his embroidered robes and jewelry fit perfectly while his muscles are on display, the fires of his will dance across his skin, and the sun shines behind him (which he controls it's placing). Meanwhile, White Chain is brought in with a couple poorly-dressed attendants still bandaging her wounds while wearing not her own clothes or the robes of her order, but ill-fitting, simple clothes.

There is little doubt he has treated previous contest (going back for a very, very long time) with any less petty obsessiveness to detail. What we've seen of his world says the same, ditto with how he interacts with the other Demiurges.

He built himself a prison of pride, where every little detail surrounding him has to be about exalting him and making him look better. Yet, like Mottom, he is trapped, his heart is unfulfilled and he wants to drop everything on a 'worthy' heir (capable of wounding him, but not actually beating him) so he can go on a martial arts road trip and claim an even bigger position in the cosmos, as if that would turn out any different once he finishes changing every little detail so it feeds his ego.
 
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Well put. Aside from the fact that White Chain isn't a 'he'.

I'll also add that he basically made it impossible to actually find an heir by virtue of a) being so fucking op that nobody could ever challange him, and b) requiring that his successor arrives more or less fully formed instead of teaching a student to follow in his footsteps.

Not to mention that he basically makes up the rules as he goes along, saying the he is his own justification, that he is the law. The hallmark of a tyrant without equal. There is pride in being the sole provider of this empire he built, and I'm not sure he could handle not being needed any more. So he makes sure he cannot ever be replaced, and twists law and right to fit his whim as he believes is his due.

Judging by the fact that there was a person at the ring of strength that wanted to avenge a massacre, there are likely those that reject his enlightened and benevolent rule, and that he does not tolerate anybody to question him.

If he would take those that rise through the circle of strength to challenge him directly as his students/emmisaries instead of obliterating and then casting them aside, then by now he might actually have an heir he deems worthy of his empire.
If he would allow his citizens a say in the creation of actual laws that he himself would also be bound to instead of basically keeping them like pets, then letting go might not be so hard.
But, that would require taking a step back and letting those students and citizens make mistakes, grow, and eventually replace him, which is something his pride probably can't bear.
 
Gaemnomut said:
Well put. Aside from the fact that White Chain isn't a 'he'.
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Zoss.
aabbcc said:
It's not morality that's chaining him.

Look at his, well, everything. Every little thing in that tournament, every little thing in his world, in his government? It's designed to feed his pride.

It's not enough to win a match, he has to be presented with a dozen resplendent attendants making sure his embroidered robes and jewelry fit perfectly while his muscles are on display, the fires of his will dance across his skin, and the sun shines behind him (which he controls it's placing). Meanwhile, White Chain is brought in with a couple poorly-dressed attendants still bandaging her wounds while wearing not her own clothes or the robes of her order, but ill-fitting, simple clothes.

There is little doubt he has treated previous contest (going back for a very, very long time) with any less petty obsessiveness to detail. What we've seen of his world says the same, ditto with how he interacts with the other Demiurges.

He built himself a prison of pride, where every little detail surrounding him has to be about exalting him and making him look better. Yet, like Mottom, he is trapped, his heart is unfulfilled and he wants to drop everything on a 'worthy' heir (capable of wounding him, but not actually beating him) so he can go on a martial arts road trip and claim an even bigger position in the cosmos, as if that would turn out any different once he finishes changing every little detail so it feeds his ego.
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Which is still miles better than what anyone else has done on-screen.
 
I have to laugh at the obsessive need to glorify every little thing that comes out of White Chain's mouth. How else is this supposed to work? Solomon David training a student in a Sith system? That's gonna lead to a Sidious style takeover where the new ruler actually isn't powerful enough to protect Rayuba, and some jackass comes rolling in and extinguishes the sun again.

Seriously, equating showing off with literally drinking the blood of innocents is kinda silly.

Honestly, I want Solomon to laugh in her face. This can't be the first time a loser whined at him once he was done stomping them and their delusions into the ground.
 
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Seriously, equating showing off with literally drinking the blood of innocents is kinda silly.
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He has his people build a new Coliseum every time he holds one of these tournaments. Or at least repairs. We see the people building it bloody and working so hard for something he casually does, as doing it regularlt is "beneath him".

He knows no ones gonna beat him. These tournaments are literally pointless. He does it to feed his own ego about how powerful he is, same with putting two suns in the place of his extinguished one.

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How else is this supposed to work? Solomon David training a student in a Sith system? That's gonna lead to a Sidious style takeover where the new ruler actually isn't powerful enough to protect Rayuba, and some jackass comes rolling in and extinguishes the sun again.
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... So could this system? It's honestly more likely with the tournament than doing it like he is.
 
AcridComet said:
He has his people build a new Coliseum every time he holds one of these tournaments. Or at least repairs. We see the people building it bloody and working so hard for something he casually does, as doing it regularlt is "beneath him".

He knows no ones gonna beat him. These tournaments are literally pointless. He does it to feed his own ego about how powerful he is, same with putting two suns in the place of his extinguished one.
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Mottom literally fed virgins to her ex-husband's corpse. David keeps employment numbers up by finding work for unskilled labor.

White Chain is a beat cop.

Delicious was amazing.

Juggs was fabulous before who knows how many eternities of torture.
 
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I have to laugh at the obsessive need to glorify every little thing that comes out of White Chain's mouth. How else is this supposed to work? Solomon David training a student in a Sith system? That's gonna lead to a Sidious style takeover where the new ruler actually isn't powerful enough to protect Rayuba, and some jackass comes rolling in and extinguishes the sun again.
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Err, look at the chapters so far in Rayuba, the alt texts, and the chapter description texts.

Like, seriously, you have, going back only a few pages:
"Solomon is typically suspiciously slightly better dressed than his opponents during these matches"

"Chief among the concerns of any code of punishment is that it is important for the executed to have dignity. A man's death must be treated with reverence and not treated at some soiled thing. It therefore transforms from a wrongdoing into a spectacle."

"Enyis reached the city of Golden Flowing Water, which was at the time the most brutal domain in the world. For spitting in public there, one could lose a finger. It was a thirsty, conquering city that took many slaves, enjoyed the whip, and worshiped the sword.
Enyis was surprised to find the streets sparkling clean and orderly. The buildings were well constructed, airy, and it was scattered with well tended gardens redolent with many colorful flowers.
'They must enrapture you with splendor,' said the Boar King, who had noticed Enyis' confusion. 'Otherwise, you might look down and notice the blood-matted beast who shoulders this city, and your mind will fill with unpleasant truths.'"

"Every single warrior that comes to that gods-cursed ring thinks they have a chance at their drop of blood. The great tragedy is their inability to perceive that the long line of contenders has stretched not only over months, or years, but over many times the natural lifespans of wiser and saner men who have died old in their beds. What the Emperor wants to see in them, I don't dare to know. He will drink oceans of blood before he does."




EVERYTHING is pointing out to a superficially beautiful utopia that underneath is an oppressive, bloody dictatorship, all built to feed his ego. Coupled with his stated desire to leave it to a heir and then go on a road trip, and White Chain's words are merely another grain on the mountain of blatant foreshadowing.

As for how it's supposed to work, did you read the posts you're answering to? How about just picking someone promising and training them for both the strength to stand up against outside threats and for rulership? He's had a long, looong time to find someone.
Instead, he set up a pointless tournament he repeats regularly where hundreds are slaughtered, where he says he expects someone to just show up with the ability to wound him, despite this failing to happen every single time.
 
I wonder how long it will take for Gog Agog to make a move. She did position herself perfectly to be right there the moment Dave would likely be the most vulnerable. I wouldn't be surprised if there were quite a few of her among the audience.
 
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I wonder how long it will take for Gog Agog to make a move. She did position herself perfectly to be right there the moment Dave would likely be the most vulnerable. I wouldn't be surprised if there were quite a few of her among the audience.
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She is the commentator, and the other commentator, and part of the audience, and the protest group against the tournament, and the police force beating the protesters.
 
That is an amazing RAEP FACE.

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