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The Once and Future Champion (Baldur's Gate 3/Dragon Age)

How the heck Hawke even goes Templar in DA2 is a thing they don't even bother to go with,
I've always worked on the assumption that The Chantry is lying about how important Lyrium is for Templars, because they can use the addiction to control them.
When Hawke finds out what the Sharran cultists did to Shadowheart he is gonna lose his shit.
Yeah, yeah he is. And it is not going to end well for those cultists.
 
I've always worked on the assumption that The Chantry is lying about how important Lyrium is for Templars, because they can use the addiction to control them.
I generally go with 'you need to take lyrium while learning it, and regular lyrium use helps boost the power, but once you've learned it well enough you can make it work without it'.

In this fic's particular case I'm going with 'since Templar is basically a specialized magic prestige class, and Hawke is currently standing in Faerun with access to the Weave, he don't need any lyrium at all'. I mention this OOC because be damned if I can figure out how we'd work it in IC right now.
 
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Considering he just deliberately used some of it on Shadowheart's hand, he can hardly be surprised that it works. :p
He stopped an old ache from some old spell injury due to what is probably magic contamination, a minor working that could be explained away by some residual lyrium in his system. Outright no selling a full power spell in the middle of combat is another thing entirely
 
"Then I hope you find someone you can be very happy with." I tried to let her down as apologetically as possible. "No offense, just... to be honest? I've never dated anyone taller than me."
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Its too late for Hawke, he is too lost on the Pointy Eared propaganda sauce and the want for elfussy. Sad state of affairs it is.

Betcha Hawke is a fan of the Baalbuddy Elf Alignment Chart
 
And so you finally find out Hawke's specialization - Templar. Which was hinted at earlier at a couple of points, if very subtly. How the heck Hawke even goes Templar in DA2 is a thing they don't even bother to go with, so I went with 'it's possible to get smuggled lyrium and Hawke certainly knows the right people' and 'Hawke and Cullen become each other's contacts as far back as Act One, and Cullen starts doing his own rogue templar investigations in Act Two, so he actually has a reason to teach Hawke. Plus, neither other specialization remotely fit my Hawke's personality - he's certainly no berserker, and no reaver either.
And Hawke just became the one the enemies need to watch out for the most in the group. Spirit damage and the ability to silence and cleanse magic is something that makes most fantasy enemies with any kind of reliance on magic panic. Hawke gunning straight for your mage and other squishies is going to be very difficult to prevent.

Templars have bonus damage against spells casters and Fade entities. Two things Hawke really hasn't had to fight yet so that hasn't become apparent. It has mostly been either mortal people or low level monsters from the mortal plane.

I wonder if the bonus damage is specifically against things from the Fade, or just any creature not from a "Mortal Plane"? Like if the party starts fighting Devils or Fae, will Smite just start wreak not-holy havoc on their ranks even harder.
 
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And Hawke just became the one the enemies need to watch out for the most in the group. Spirit damage and the ability to silence and cleanse magic is something that makes most fantasy enemies with any kind of reliance on magic panic. Hawke gunning straight for your mage and other squishies is going to be very difficult to prevent.

Templars have bonus damage against spells casters and Fade entities. Two things Hawke really hasn't had to fight yet so that hasn't become apparent. It has mostly been either mortal people or low level monsters from the mortal plane.

I wonder if the bonus damage is specifically against things from the Fade, or just any creature not from a "Mortal Plane"? Like if the party starts fighting Devils or Fae, will Smite just start wreak not-holy havoc on their ranks even harder.
Smiting while in The House of Hope, and Autochthon shows up.

The Taint is Robocancer.
 
I generally go with 'you need to take lyrium while learning it, and regular lyrium use helps boost the power, but once you've learned it well enough you can make it work without it'.

In this fic's particular case I'm going with 'since Templar is basically a specialized magic prestige class, and Hawke is currently standing in Faerun with access to the Weave, he don't need any lyrium at all'. I mention this OOC because be damned if I can figure out how we'd work it in IC right now.
Neat, wonder if Gale could help figure things out? I don't know much about BG3, but he is a genius and ambitious wizard, right? Feels like I haven't read/seen much of him. I'm honestly surprised that Gale hasn't been asking questions about how and what various works of magic and magic items there are where Hawke is from.
 
Finally looked up Lady Shar. BG3 is just going to be full of "well then we'll just have to un-bad the guy", isn't it.
I mean Shar is straight up horrible. There is a reason her faith is banned in so many places honestly. And anyone who has any knowledge on Shar is going to be rather suspicious of Shadowheart's claims because frankly, Shar isn't like that. She's more like an abuser.
 
Finally looked up Lady Shar. BG3 is just going to be full of "well then we'll just have to un-bad the guy", isn't it.

I mean Shar is straight up horrible. There is a reason her faith is banned in so many places honestly. And anyone who has any knowledge on Shar is going to be rather suspicious of Shadowheart's claims because frankly, Shar isn't like that. She's more like an abuser.
In this case, Shadowheart is the Guy who "we" (the player in BG3, Hawke in this fic) have to un-Bad.
 
Shadowheart is a child who was raised in an evil cult, and indoctrinated with cult-style practices for her entire life... and, as previously mentioned, magically mindwiped in addition.

She's one of my most favorite characters in BG3 not just because she's cute and adorable and has a really sweet romance path if you do it right, but because she somehow manages to still remain largely a good person on the inside despite having had her brain ctrl-alt-deleted by some of the most evil mind-fuckers on Faerun, who had custody of her since she was a small child, and are priests of a religion where deliberately preying on the mental weakness of the congregation to turn them into tools of Shar is literally a goddamned sacrament and has been for millenia. There is literally no explanation short of a Selune-damned miracle for why Shadowheart actually still has empathy and impulses to be nice and all that, because people have been turned into fanatic monsters with FAR less indoctrination than she's gotten.

To paraphrase something I've said on earlier occasions, Shadowheart is what happens when you take a Disney Princess as a small child, wipe her memory, and then give her to Maleficient to raise for all her formative years. On the surface, the perfect heiress to darkness. Start actually touching her long-buried heart, and you get a marshmallow.

There's more reasons than just being the only conventionally(*) beautiful female in the party that Shadowheart's romance path has been completed at least once by at least 51% of all BG3 players, according to Larian's official tracking... and that's because Shadowheart is one of the few party members that has both a good and an evil development path, depending on how the PC does what. She starts the game torn between two worlds, even if she's conscious of only one of them. You can turn her into Shadowheart the White, or you can make her the Chosen of Shar, and I've seen both of them done in in playthroughs.

(*) Lae'zel and Karlach are many worthy things - conventional-looking is not one of them.
 
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Whoops, that was a plot hole. I forgot that Hawke can't negotiate a compromise with Lae'zel over handing over the artifact without telling Shadowheart about it first, or else he really IS dealing behind her back - the exact thing their whole moment was about not doing.

So, went back and rewrote both conversations slightly to patch that hole. Short version; Shadowheart is aware of the compromise he's suggesting, but he committed her to nothing except him, her, and Lae'zel talking it out tomorrow.

Hey, beats the actual in-game script where they're both almost assassinating each other over it until one diplomacy check convinces them not to. :p
 
"Because by the wording of the pledges, Zariel would only rightfully own the souls of those in Elturel who had pledged if the Companion shone down on the city for as long as they lived. Which was something that she'd intended to take care of soon enough, because the city had been deposited on the frontlines of the Blood War and we were rapidly hit from both sides, by devils and demons alike-" He shuddered. "And, of course, every living soul who fell during those days ended up enslaved for eternity, more fodder for Zariel's army." He looked up. "We wouldn't have lasted long at that rate - sometimes I still don't know we lived through it. It wasn't even the Hellriders that saved the city, but a visiting nobleman from Baldur's Gate who'd happened to be visiting when the crisis occurred. He rallied all the survivors, took command of the city once Kreeg and his cronies had been revealed as fiend-worshippers, led the defense of the High Hall... and raised and coordinated the heroes who led the mission to find and destroy the Companion, and by doing so free the city from the pact."
know how we

"I know what that feels like." I commiserated with him. "I was the once the Champion of my home city, Kirkwall - so named because I'd saved it from a foreign invasion when our ruler had already fallen and our army already mostly defeated. And then barely a few years later I lost it all in a civil war started by the madness and treason of a man who'd been one of my best friends - someone who I'd repeatedly trusted with my life, and who I couldn't do a damn thing to stop in time-" I swallowed heavily. "My home city tore itself apart in madness, all rooted in ages-old hatreds and repressions I hadn't been able to even start to change for all my titles and ceremonies... and so I exiled myself after that." I sighed. "At the time I would have told you that I'd done it because I was leading any possible consequences of the war to come pursue me, and not take it out on innocent Kirkwallers. But right now I couldn't tell you if that was the truth... or if I was just running away." I looked soberly at Zevlor. "So take comfort in this much at least - at least you know that the people accusing you of having helped to doom your old home are lying. Because I don't know that, and I never will."
Delete this (redundant) word.
I think this would read more smoothly if either the had was replaced with was, or the later underlined segment was changed to army had already been mostly

"Wyll." I looked at him as if he were an idiot. "You looked a devil straight in the eye and dared her to take your immortal soul down to Hell on the spot for an eternity of torture rather than risk the slightest moral compromise. The moment you're so afraid of as the moment you almost fell? That's the very same moment that's make me apologize to you, for so badly misjudging you. You are a good man. Never doubt that."
that made (or potentially that's making)

"You too." I nodded at him, and moved on. I did the rounds of tiefling encampment and druid grove both, doing everything from accepting a grateful hug and a dance from Nettie to giving a very sanitized version of my origin story to Alfira the tiefling bard so she could start getting to work on writing 'a proper ballad for my heroics'. I couldn't pay a coin for a drink anywhere I meant, and I started heavily watering my wine just to stay sober.
went

"Yes, but not the way you're thinking." I admitted. "Her name was Merrill. She was a... hrm." I realized. "I was going to say 'elf', but in hindsight I'm wondering if all the elves I knew in Thedas were actually half-elves by Faerunian taxonomy. Because when a Thedan elf has a child with a human, the offspring is almost invariably human - they'd breed themselves out of existence in a few generations if they didn't make sure to conserve the blood by having children only with other elves. And yet what from Halsin said-"
from what

"In the interests of clear communication." I drew upon all my willpower and diplomatic to say evenly. "I am quite attracted to you, and="
and-"

I spoke to her about Merrill's brilliance - her selfless devotion to the welfare of the elves - her loneliness and isolation from those who feared her and didn't understand her, including accusations of blood magic - her suffering under the disappointment of mentor Keeper Marethari, leader of her clan - the poverty and squalor of the Kirkwall elven alienage she'd refused to let me lift her out of for so long...
of her mentor
 
I mean Shar is straight up horrible. There is a reason her faith is banned in so many places honestly. And anyone who has any knowledge on Shar is going to be rather suspicious of Shadowheart's claims because frankly, Shar isn't like that. She's more like an abuser.

Oh yeah, Shar is straight up insidious. There are evil powers that are civilized and whose worshipers are fairly chill (Myrkul was the standout here; his clerics legitimately did their jobs as caretakers of the dead and even Old Lord Skull himself was fairly laid-back for a malevolent deity), but Shar is both a genocidal monster and a petty bitch.

She's also very powerful, being Realmspace's elder power of evil. Unlike Selune, whose power waxed and waned (there was a substantial period where Selune served Sune), Shar's conserved her strength and has yet to fall from grace to any significant extent. I suppose it helps that one of her favorite avatars is a naked dancer.
 
Ah, a Templar and not Berserker. Didn't see it coming, but it makes sense. WoG by DA writers is that Templar talents require regular lyrium draughts and will eventually become inaccessible as you go into withdrawal. It's an acknowledged retcon that they did because they were just working things out in DAO and hadn't quite pinned down the rules yet. But since we're not on Thedas, I'm more than fine with the handwave because otherwise he'd have to make potions out of sussar blooms or something.
 
Honestly as someone who has trouble enjoying BG3 thanks to 5e mechanics(yes I'm one of those weirdos who can't stand 5e anymore even when fixed like BG3 genuinely does do) the last straw for me was when I learned Shadowheart and Karlach can't form a polycule with Tav... She's got two hands and you both are clearly into one another too! Please my useless lesbian mind can't decide!
 
Finally looked up Lady Shar. BG3 is just going to be full of "well then we'll just have to un-bad the guy", isn't it.
No, no it isn't.

Shart is a brainwashed cultist just like Las'zel.

Actually, Gale is like the one guy without an abusive guardian, if you count Mizora as Wyll's mommy.
 
Actually, Gale is like the one guy without an abusive guardian, if you count Mizora as Wyll's mommy.
When you consider Gale's age and relative lack of experience when Mystra sexed him up, you could make a good case that she was child grooming.

There isn't a single party member in BG3 who hasn't been in an abusive relationship of some type or another. Tav is running his own private Island of Misfit Toys.
 
Ah, a Templar and not Berserker. Didn't see it coming, but it makes sense. WoG by DA writers is that Templar talents require regular lyrium draughts and will eventually become inaccessible as you go into withdrawal. It's an acknowledged retcon that they did because they were just working things out in DAO and hadn't quite pinned down the rules yet. But since we're not on Thedas, I'm more than fine with the handwave because otherwise he'd have to make potions out of sussar blooms or something.
It's a retcon that makes the Orlesian Chantry less corrupt, so I disagree with it.

Fuck Orlais.
When you consider Gale's age and relative lack of experience when Mystra sexed him up, you could make a good case that she was child grooming.

There isn't a single party member in BG3 who hasn't been in an abusive relationship of some type or another. Tav is running his own private Island of Misfit Toys.
Tav is the normal one because he doesn't have a detailed background.
 
I did some research a while back for a reddit thread on the topic of Mystra and Gale:

BG3 takes place in the year 1492. Mystra died in 1385 and resurrected in 1479. This means that even if she met Gale almost immediately after and not after she'd regained her full divinity in 1487, then Gale can only have known her for a maximum of twelve years. He's 35, so he can't have been younger than 23 when they first met.

Mystra is actually not that much older than him, weirdly. See, we're on the third version of Mystra. The previous version was killed by Helm in 1358, and a mortal named Midnight was tapped to take her place as the new Mystra. She died barely thirty years into her godhood and spent a century dead/torpid before being resurrected. Given that she didn't actually regain her godhood until 1487, it's likely that Gale's association with her is only five years to present.
 
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I growled inwardly at this damned thing yet again and reached over and grasped her wounded hand in mine, and for the first time since I'd arrived on Faerun consciously channelled my internal energy in the ways that Knight-Captain Cullen had unofficially taught me back in Kirkwall. I wasn't even sure I could manage this anymore, given how long it had been since I'd had a dose of smuggled lyrium, but Shadowheart was in pain and I had to-
I just realized something after rereading this. Hawke doesn't need to wielding a weapon to use most, maybe any Templar techniques, does he? None of the techniques require him to be holding a weapon or shield.

He can use things like Righteous Strike barehanded can't he? Is Hawke able to punch a ghost? There are plenty of spirit enemies like Shades in Dragon Age so theoretically Hawke could have punched a ghost in the past.

Between the Templar techniques, spending time on the mean streets of Kirkwall, and his Warrior strength, Hawke might be the most dangerous fist fighter in the party. With Karlach being his only competition.
 
So it was merely a bad relationship, not that kind of bad relationship. Got it. TY for research.
Honestly, much as I love the man, way I see it, Gale and Mystra's relationship ending like it did is on him. Man was literally raw-dogging a goddess, and that wasn't enough for him.
 

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