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Youjo Senki Discussion and Criticism

OverReactionGuy said:
Cursed being X. Toying with humans like we're just mere puppets to dance to his strings!

Go Tanya!

Fight the being X!

Go Tanya!

Don't let him win!

Go Tanya!

Earn your peaceful ending!

Go Tanya!

You crazy bitch!
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She has every right to curse the bastard and yet people call her a Fedora.

She is basically kinda like Job just with her not being a worshipper.

Tanya has never truly won anything. yeah, she won battles but so what? Have they made a real difference and improved her situation? No.

Guardian Box said:
All Tanya ever wanted was to live a Quiet Life.
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She indeed does want it but Being X would never allow it.
 
I honestly can't understand why some people think Being X is a good guy or make excuses for him. He is doing what he is doing to teach Tanya empathy? Are you guys serious? Being X has been bitching about people and faith. Lol, IIRC, in the LN, Angels engineer a situation for a war to erupt between the Empire and NotRussia cause godless communism.
 
The ending of Youjo Senki... ahhhhh... it was sad. So very sad. To see her opinions to Elric, and then the messenger. Also... I think we just saw Loliya in a cut away scene.

And... Mary "Sue" Sioux has acquired the origin she needed; country fallen, beloved father dead, the rise of an enemy loli who has more levels on her, the weapon she gave to her father wielded by the enemy loli, GOD has touched her and blessed her... and she just joined the US mage corps.

Also, I was totally going "oh shit, is this for real" at the speech that Tanya gave in the desert, especially the starting part. She seemed so broken down and sad. But soon, Tanya the Red Baron you shall meet the Desert Fox.
 
Biigoh said:
I think we just saw Loliya in a cut away scene.
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Awwwww fuck. I had successfully managed to scrub that disgusting bastards existence from my mind, so I had forgotten that the sick fuck is going to be very important soon.:mad:

He's the number 2 man in the Union, who after spoting her from a distance falls in love with her and vows to do everything in his power to capture her, break her, and ravish her!

Also the sick fuck begs Uncle Joe (the guy in charge of the Union) for Tanya to be his prize once the Empire is defeated!

under his suggestions the Union sends idealistic communists to woe their allies and make it seem like the Union higher ups are not bad people. Only problem is that they fucking are, before the empire attacked them, they were purging competent people from their military, running gulags and after they go to war with the Empire they mostly conscript nationalists on his suggestions so that they (The nationalists) don't taint their communist utopia.

When he hears that Tanya destroys an important supply ship, he's not angered but rather filled with joy. He is elated that Tanya is still alive, so he redoubles his efforts to help the Union military capture her, so that he break and ravish her.


In fact here a link to a picture of him so you can have idea what he's like

I needed that
 
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Biigoh said:
Also, I was totally going "oh shit, is this for real" at the speech that Tanya gave in the desert, especially the starting part. She seemed so broken down and sad. But soon, Tanya the Red Baron you shall meet the Desert Fox.
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Personally, I'm just wondering what her soldiers are thinking of that.

Like;

"So, that was a speech."

"Yeah.....but, isn't the Major really religious?"

"What makes you say that?"

"Well, she always prayers right before a big fight, so I kinda just figured."

"Maybe she's ironically religious?"
 
So... Nordon 2 in LN got translated...

But I'm not sure if Sky the Wood is going to do anything more as it looks like YenPress just licensed both the LN and Manga of Youjo Senki. @_@

This along with Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken and Kumo Desu ga, Nani ga?
 
Biigoh said:
So... Nordon 2 in LN got translated...

But I'm not sure if Sky the Wood is going to do anything more as it looks like YenPress just licensed both the LN and Manga of Youjo Senki. @_@

This along with Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken and Kumo Desu ga, Nani ga?
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I have noticed a trend where LN aren't licensed until at least good chunk of it has been translated by the fan community. Is that just me?

I mean. It would be easy to plagiarise from someone that did the work for free but technically illegally. The only thing you would need to do was to change the text a bit and claim that the similarities were purely coincidental... On top of parts of LN often being censored (which has happened quite often I have heard -_-)

It is not like Sky could complain about such actions officially now could they?
 
Elmithian said:
I have noticed a trend where LN aren't licensed until at least good chunk of it has been translated by the fan community. Is that just me?

I mean. It would be easy to plagiarise from someone that did the work for free but technically illegally. The only thing you would need to do was to change the text a bit and claim that the similarities were purely coincidental... On top of parts of LN often being censored (which has happened quite often I have heard -_-)

It is not like Sky could complain about such actions officially now could they?
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Actually, I have compared the Overlord LN by YenPress and by SkytheWood... it's actually subtle, but it's a different translation.
 
Biigoh said:
Actually, I have compared the Overlord LN by YenPress and by SkytheWood... it's actually subtle, but it's a different translation.
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And changing the wording and sentences is 10 times easier than translating the nuances of another language from the ground up. I have done such stuff myself. It ain't that hard to use other people words as a base, change the wording and not lose the original meaning... if you know what you are doing.

Additionally, I am not saying that *all* official studios do this. Merely that I suspect some of it. There also the censoring issues wherein these studios remove or change context to be less "troublematic" in regards to Western audience.

I honestly worry that some of the stuff in Youjo Senki (even if there is no sexual stuff) will be censored in the official Ln translation release. Seeing how ridiculously (selective) PC our world has become of late. : /
 
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http://bato.to/reader#b6ba90601a7bd06a

Tanya Manga Updated and she's as adorable as ever!

Tanya_Doge.jpg
 
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Finally got around to watching this (and blasting through what of the manga is commonly available on web readers). Thoughts in no particular order:
  • No publishing company or gatekeeper in the standard publishing industry in any Western country would have touched something like this from a Western author.
  • The concept is amazing and amusing.
  • Tanya a cute.
  • It is one of the most sympathetic presentations of rationalist pragmatism I've seen.
  • Those consistent miscommunications tho. Hilarious, and a very subtle undermining of Tanya's character and philosophy.
  • Wow, the author must have done a fair amount of research to get all those details. (Nothing particularly surprising, Germany's grand strategy has been relatively common knowledge for a century now.)
  • The reversal of war roles as presented was also interesting, with a not-Swedish invasion kicking things off.
I need to get a hold of the LNs, preferably in Japanese epub format, which is a pain nowadays.
 
Biigoh said:
It's coming out in November, Yen Press strikes again... :3
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Nah. I spent some time in college learning Japanese, and I prefer reading in Japanese when I can. Unfortunately, Amazon will not sell Japanese Kindle books in the US, nor even most print books or manga anymore (due to law changes in Japan). Neither will Apple, DMM, Kinokuniya, etc..

You have to jump through a lot of hoops to pay for it. Piracy would probably be easier.

You can buy print books at US Kinokuniya's but I've cut back on buying physical books now that I've run out of wall space for shelves.
 
wasprider said:
Nah. I spent some time in college learning Japanese, and I prefer reading in Japanese when I can. Unfortunately, Amazon will not sell Japanese Kindle books in the US, nor even most print books or manga anymore (due to law changes in Japan). Neither will Apple, DMM, Kinokuniya, etc..

You have to jump through a lot of hoops to pay for it. Piracy would probably be easier.

You can buy print books at US Kinokuniya's but I've cut back on buying physical books now that I've run out of wall space for shelves.
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Yeah... this is honestly the part where I wish online globalization was happening rather than corporate arses effectively closing off virtual, non-existing borders just so they can regulate the cost in a tiny bit more in their favour. : /
 
Space Penguin said:
https://forums.spacebattles.com/thr...-saga-of-tanya-the-evil-dresden-files.504364/

You guys may find this possibly interesting.

Youjo Senki protag being forced into various verses so as to get into trouble as punishment by Being X
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Perhaps... but I would actually love a role reversal where Being X is pushed off his pedestal (and the rest of being X underlings sent to a black hole or something) and sent down into various universes and has to experience similar stuff to what Tanya did.

Just imagine a proper God complex person reborn, lacking 95% of their powers, knowing that that above the very being he had done the same to would be watching. >:D

It would be more interesting in my opinion and would allow for the exploration and potentially evolution of his character. Perhaps, since he doesn't seem to be really a sociopath (being x that is) he will begin to see how his own actions has torn apart so many worlds? Or maybe he will become a spiteful blood knight that will be no better than he was before.

Now, that is what I would love to see. :D
 
Elmithian said:
Perhaps... but I would actually love a role reversal where Being X is pushed off his pedestal (and the rest of being X underlings sent to a black hole or something) and sent down into various universes and has to experience similar stuff to what Tanya did.

Just imagine a proper God complex person reborn, lacking 95% of their powers, knowing that that above the very being he had done the same to would be watching. >:D

It would be more interesting in my opinion and would allow for the exploration and potentially evolution of his character. Perhaps, since he doesn't seem to be really a sociopath (being x that is) he will begin to see how his own actions has torn apart so many worlds? Or maybe he will become a spiteful blood knight that will be no better than he was before.

Now, that is what I would love to see. :D
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That would actually be similar to sending an SI or similar to other universes due to the lack of character of Being X. From what I read of the novels and some in the manga, he serves as some sort of ROB analogue that pushes the circumstances so that Tanya does what she does.
 
mizerie said:
That would actually be similar to sending an SI or similar to other universes due to the lack of character of Being X. From what I read of the novels and some in the manga, he serves as some sort of ROB analogue that pushes the circumstances so that Tanya does what she does.
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Well, I always enjoy delving into the less explored part of fictional universes/characters so this is just my personal taste/habit kicking in. Plus, Being X had plenty of character hints throughout the story. He does actually appear to have a similar approach as Tanya, but does not seem to be a true sociopath. He is frustrated over humankind and their actions. But he is also a hypocrite that appears to push the story in the world Tanya ended up in a way that escalates the war, kind of ruining his own point.

I think those kind of characters are extremely interesting to explore, both story wise and psychologically, which is why I would love to see him on the ground among mortal (maybe even reborn like Tanya was). I enjoy developing and watching characters grow from the budding they start as. That is also the reason why I do not create quests where the MC/Protagonist is very well(/fully) established or a MC in their original story. It is more fun to approach the setting from new/different angles.

I have no issues with fully fleshed out NPCs though. They are plenty fine and in fact quite vital to establish the setting. Nevertheless, I think the experience for the readers seeing a character change and (sometimes) grow makes for much more appealing experience when the story is of the interactive nature like Quests are, rather than using already fully established characters. This way, the readers/players can act out in accordance to their own views and ideas and will rarely, if ever, encounter unnatural character/personality breaks.

I am not saying that Quest MC shouldn't have strong or interesting personalities, or lack a will on their own, but I do feel that having more wriggle room to solidify the MC personality traits and such as the story goes is much more satisfying for both the viewers/readers and the creator than using already very well established character that will no doubt lead to a decision that breaks their supposed personality.

This is also part of the reason why there are so many stories out there where already established MCs experience partially or full memory loss, their mind is affected by something, their mind corrupted or purified and so on. It is a tactic for writers to explain/excuse any potential personality inconsistency. I am not saying that those are the sole reasons, but it is often a part of it, be it conscious action by the writer or no.

Btw, what do you mean by SI? There are so many abbreviations that use SI that it is kind of hard to pinpoint what you were referring to. >_<
 
wasprider said:
No publishing company or gatekeeper in the standard publishing industry in any Western country would have touched something like this from a Western author.
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Nolrai2 said:
For which reason?
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Because Tanya is known as a loli Nazi. (She's not, and given the treaty of Versailles, there's a good case to be made that Germany was ultimately the victim of WW1 and the geopolitical situation.) A positive portrayal of someone known as a Nazi would not fly. I can't think of many positive portrayals of Nazis in recent popular Western media at all, and given that it's been over 70 years, that's pretty amazing. Mugabe, Mao and Stalin have better PR.

Similarly with her justifications of "atrocities", which seem to be at the outer edge of what is considered acceptable in current warfare for Western nations, but not actually over the line. Even most military fiction would shy away from depicting those decisions, except as being made by a bad guy. Made by a protagonist? Someone being called a Nazi? Probably dropped in the manuscript stages.
 
wasprider said:
Because Tanya is known as a loli Nazi. (She's not, and given the treaty of Versailles, there's a good case to be made that Germany was ultimately the victim of WW1 and the geopolitical situation.) A positive portrayal of someone known as a Nazi would not fly. I can't think of many positive portrayals of Nazis in recent popular Western media at all, and given that it's been over 70 years, that's pretty amazing. Mugabe, Mao and Stalin have better PR.

Similarly with her justifications of "atrocities", which seem to be at the outer edge of what is considered acceptable in current warfare for Western nations, but not actually over the line. Even most military fiction would shy away from depicting those decisions, except as being made by a bad guy. Made by a protagonist? Someone being called a Nazi? Probably dropped in the manuscript stages.
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Which is all bullshit.

America drops bombs that kills hundreds of people or massacres weddings. Its all accounted as either collateral damage or they were terrorists.

Also, Tanya and the Empire ain't nazi's. The war has to do with land and power dynamics.
 
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