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Video Games General

Piemanlives said:
It's one of the reasons why CA abandoning the game stings so much. Because frankly? Three Kingdoms is a good game.

Not without its flaws sure but it's just a solid game overall.
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I think that is why. I mean the DLC was really bad no? I bet some boss said that to spend more money after that wolud be a waste.
 
giodan said:
I think that is why. I mean the DLC was really bad no? I bet some boss said that to spend more money after that wolud be a waste.
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Eight Princes is apparently considered by many players to be a waste of money, since it adds nothing, and is, as far as I understood it from a cursory reading on things at least, Chinese history isn't my strongsuit, pretty much about the death of a short-lived Dynasty, and the beginning of what is essentially a dark age (in the sense of "things are bad" not "we don't have records") for Imperial China, rather than the decline of one Imperial Dynasty and the rise of a new one in the base game, on top of adding nothing new in terms of units, as they still use the same roster as the base game, while being about a bunch of new characters nobody really cares about.

Unlike, say, Caesar In Gaul and Empire Divided for Rome 2, where the former, even though it doesn't add any new units, or at least none that aren't just a color swap and added to other factions like the Roman Auxiliaries, it offers a unique experience with new mechanics centered around, well, Caesar's campaign in Gaul and his rivalry with Vercingetorix, being situated entirely within Gaul, while the latter shows Rome right at the beginning of its decline in the Crisis of the Third Century, with all new unit rosters and unique factions, several of which being basically factions from Attila in their earlier incarnation, such as the Sassanids, Saxons, and Goths (which haven't yet split into the Ostrogoths and Visigoths yet).

Or, for a better comparison, Age of Charlemagne for Attila. The Roman Empire is gone (at least in the Westt. There is the Theme of Sicily, a province of the Byzantine Empire, that exists as an unplayable faction and has so. many. mods. to make it playable), and the DLC's narrative is about the rise and consolidation of what would later be the kingdoms of Medieval (Western) Europe, such as Saxon England, Muslim Spain, and, of course, the Carolingian Empire.

Even Mandate of Heaven, whose period is the Yellow Turban Rebellion, which only has a few remnants in the main campaign and doesn't add any new units either, iirc, has that setup appeal, as this is where all the notables of the era, such as the tyrant Dong Zhuo, get their start, and the ball for the decline of the Han Dynasty and the later conflict gets rolling. Think of it as having an A Song of Ice and Fire game, taking place at the time of the books, and making a campaign about Robert's Rebellion campaign, and you get the idea, to do the cringy thing and compare history to a Fantasy IP.
 
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Even Mandate of Heaven, whose period is the Yellow Turban Rebellion, which only has a few remnants in the main campaign and doesn't add any new units either, iirc,
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Mandate of Heaven added the entire Imperial Army line of units, something you don't get access to unless you:

1.) Play as Liu Hong in the Mandate of Heaven start date.
2.) Get access to them by holding one of the Emperor Seats (IIRC).

The 2nd in particular takes a while before they become available/relevant given you actually have to reach the point where the Three Kingdoms kicks off. And even then you have other options available at that point so you might not end up using them at all.

Beyond that any character added by the DLC (ignoring Liu Hong) would've had their own personal units like Liu Chong's crossbow cavalry/infantry included as well. The 182 CE Yellow Turban armies also had some new units to differentiate them from the 190 CE Yellow Turbans but I forget what exactly they did with that roster.
 
So what I'm hearing is that the largest chunk of Total War: Three Kingdoms is awesome and a must buy with the current discount.
 
Velk said:
So what I'm hearing is that the largest chunk of Total War: Three Kingdoms is awesome and a must buy with the current discount.
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Oh, I can only recommend it, and I say that as someone that is only faintly aware of the Romance of The Three Kingdoms novel. I treat it mostly as an exotic setting, as my lack of knowledge means I am literally unable to nitpick anything about it, beyond giving the weird, jar-shaped shields of some of my infantry odd looks (seriously though, why are they that shape?).

Sure, the battle AI shits itself on occasion (My guy, you are holding a village with lots of chokepoints I have to break through and towers in support, are you really going to rush into range of my archers, rather than let my heavy infantry drag their asses to you?), but it's Total War, so that's to be expected. The campaign map AI is pretty great, and the diplomacy is actually somewhat coherent. They still do weird shit at times, but as of now only factions have asked me for military access when we actually share a large border, and I am on good terms with them, rather than doing that when I'm on the other side of the map, or when they bordered an enemy of mine, probably because the AI figures I might trespass otherwise.

The Dueling mechanic is especially neat, as, even if you disregard the practical use of locking down an enemy commander and potentially breaking the morale of a good chunk of the enemy army, you get to know what it looks like when you have two heroes in a fantasy movie face off in a climactic showdown, surrounded by hordes of fighting men, except that this time you are the general in the back, watching your champion cave some bamboo-wearing savage's skull in (My Ulcer is still bleeding, thank you very much!), directing the rest of the army around that fight, potentially even doing the dishonorable thing and send your guy some help if he gets his ass kicked. Well, or send your heroes right into the enemy, especially Vanguards, and see how one of them single-handedly stops that cavalry unit in its tracks that was about to flank your archers.

Having played a bit of Troy, which also has a Dueling mechanic, Three Kingdoms does it a bit better due to the retinues, as you have multiple commanders, meaning that, even if your champion dies or flees, and about a third of your army takes a morale hit, you still have two other dudes that can try and save the situation, or even avenge your fallen commander in another duel against a now-weakened enemy, rather than have your entire army rout because their one and only general just died. Plus, there are certain units that plain just don't care if their leader died, and just keep fighting.
 
Update on the Three Kingdoms front:

Kingdom of Wu was eaten (read: confederated) by the Kingdom of Wei, meaning I am fighting Cao Cao, as he doesn't like me. And While Gongsun Zan is now dead, and I now own the northern edge of the map, I now have an even bigger problem in the east, as now I have a way longer hostile border.

The Bleeding Ulcer remains, the Nanman are a pain to fight with all the ambushes and terrain debuffs down in the south for Han armies, but now Meng Huo is finally gone, while Lady Zhurong's territory is in the process of falling too, as, of all people, Dong Min, Dong Zhuo's brother, not only has been the star of my southern campaign, but is also currently besieging Zhurong's last city.

In other words, the fat, ugly bastard is gonna dominate the fiery jungle woman. Have fun with that mental image.

Of the Nanman, only Mulu and the generic Nanman Rebels faction remain now, which is still going to be a difficult fight, given how much of a pain in the ass the previous parts had been, but once these are dead, I can send all my southern armies, which are now chock-full of veteran units, finally east and fight Cao Cao, where they are desperately needed.

Zheng Jiang was still chilling in the mountains for a long time, relations with her have been consistently good, weirdly enough, but I realized I didn't declare an Empire War, only called my vassals to arm, which somehow didn't include her since she is part of my Empire, not a vassal, so I did that, and now a ton of bandit armies, that have likely been building up over the last several dozen or so turns while she was twiddling her thumbs and sending shitty poetry to the Imperial Court or whatever, are streaming from her territory in the north to fight in Emperor Liu Xie's name, and towards the east, which will be a huge relief, since they will at the very least deplete his troops until the rest of my armies can arrive, or keep Cao Cao's vassals busy.

I can only imagine the Bandit Queen smirking to herself as the young Emperor somehow never sent her the proper request, and, to take a piss out of the Han Empire's bureaucracy, she never answered them because technically they didn't apply to her, only to jump on the call the moment he actually did it right. I know I'd do that.
 
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Velk said:
So, looking over what I already bought previously, I do have the Eight Princes dlc. How bad is it?
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Its not bad, its just lacking.

The only unique characters are the 8 princes and like maybe three others. Everyone else across all of china is a generic officer. The 8 princes' unique units and faction resources are all reskins of people from the base game. The units are exactly the same, despite taking place almost 100 years after the three kingdoms period. The tech tree is identical. The base game has variations on playstyle enough to maintain interest in multiple campaigns in a start date, you can play as a Bandit, a Nanman, a Yellow Turban. All of that isn't present. Its just a more boring campaign, with less interesting characters.
 
And to the surprise of absolutely no one, Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 got Game of the Year...and practically every other award too. Of the 11 categories it was nominated for (including GOTY) it won 9. Beat out by Battlefield in Audio Design and Wuthering Waves in Player's Voice. And for bonus points half the nominees for Best Performance are from Clair Obscur.
 
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And to the surprise of absolutely no one, Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 got Game of the Year...and practically every other award too. Of the 11 categories it was nominated for (including GOTY) it won 9. Beat out by Battlefield in Audio Design and Wuthering Waves in Player's Voice. And for bonus points half the nominees for Best Performance are from Clair Obscur.
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They came there to clown considering how dressed. Man I don't think DK Bananza is a bad game, its a solid 7 out of ten and if not system seller proper demostration Nintendo still got it and can have fun.

But it had NO business being GoTY

Nice CO:E33 left some wins for Arc Raiders and others.

I'm sorry but HOW the fuck long even with all the animated backgrounds and crisp sound does it take to program a fucking megaman game? 2027? Just how many drug fueled orgies are they wasting their budget on?

Resident Evil seems to be trying to find some juggling balance between b movie action and "horror games as tormentous experiences"

SF Movie is trying but I don't know maybe I'm just too cynical in my old age. I just feel a lack of ... something but at least it seems trying to just be fun and plenty of the casting and looks are on point. But let's face it there is no beating the Tuesday speech and any ANY attempt at drama or seriousness with SF brand is long dead

I still can't believe they want us to assume Ryu is like a regular guy. I mean aside from ONE animated tv series he's NEVER shown in a domesticated ordinary life. No family. No home. No job. No worldly aspirations but "journey to the next find to eternally train his fist" Ken, Guile, and many others have some hint of lives. Aside from the aforementioned SF V series I don't think we've seen Ryu with a job (lumberjack by the way)

Hmmm no big meme moments I noticed with the band (flute guy rip) but mostly on audio. Man did they intentionally leave Harbor hanging on the 40k announcement? Or has the reputation so preceded it showing televised enthusiasm would be a death sentence?

Nintendo have any big announcements or moments? The Miss Piggy and Rolf feels like it should have entertained me.. just.. something off.

Is it possible all the business forecasting has people unable to be shameless, even for a night?
 
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And to the surprise of absolutely no one, Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 got Game of the Year...and practically every other award too. Of the 11 categories it was nominated for (including GOTY) it won 9. Beat out by Battlefield in Audio Design and Wuthering Waves in Player's Voice. And for bonus points half the nominees for Best Performance are from Clair Obscur.
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Wuthering Waves winning an award while Genshin didn't win anything is particularly hilarious because I saw a tweet about a genshin stan creating 50 alt emails to try and rig the voting.

I can only imagine the crash out that must be happening on twitter right now.

On a more wholesome news, Ace Combat 8! The subreddit's hopium has paid off.
 
Melmar said:
Trailer for Larian's new Divinity game. It was promptly age restricted and actually for good reason for once so uh, don't watch it with people around.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oChJh43YbZw
I'm more repulsed by the man eating rather than the horror. :V

Also Total Warhammer 40k

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeCItSg-wmI

There's a teensy bit of pre alpha gameplay at the end of it though not enough to get a sense of what it's like, at least for me.
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Yeah surprised they included an orgy AND I think those people were rotting. But right now it seems all it has is a cinematic and pedigree. Which.. not bad but bit sad.

Okay Luigi's knee gag isn't totally forgotten in the movie but its clear they ARE letting him do more.
 
Melmar said:
There's a teensy bit of pre alpha gameplay at the end of it though not enough to get a sense of what it's like, at least for me.
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I'm glad if anything that Creative Assembly seems to have completely shaken off the Hyena slump they had fallen into. With This, Medieval 3, Lords of the End Times i'm excited.

I've seen people saying that It looks like its going to be more Empire at War than anything, but that pre alpha footage looks like a mobile game ad, so who the fuck knows.

What I'm mostly excited about is this little tidbit from the trailer and the steam page.

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Total War: WARHAMMER 40,000 on Steam

Experience the brutal fusion of galactic strategy and grimdark warfare in Total War: WARHAMMER 40,000. Take command of iconic factions, customise your war machine, and engage in devastating battles as you carve a bloody warpath across the stars.
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● Personalise Your Army: Name your warband, choose its sacred colours, and emblazon its regiments with an array of iconography that strikes fear into the hearts of enemies.

● Modify Your Warriors: Tailor your faction's combat philosophy for both campaign and battle, arming them with your own unique fusion of devastating tactical abilities, signature traits, and arcane wargear.

The game ending up like an unholy fusion of DOW2's campaign, Total War, and that fan game Chapter Master would be sick.


Darmani said:
Yeah surprised they included an orgy AND I think those people were rotting.
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People responded, positively and negatively, to the ability to fuck a bear. The ratings board would have a fit and then die at an AO game in the modern era (on top of other rule 8 shit), but the market is there.
 
Darmani said:
Nintendo have any big announcements or moments?
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Nintendo hasn't done any real announcements via TGA in years... and even then, an announcement was more the exception than a rule.

Nintendo is more than willing to drop a major reveal video out of nowhere on their YouTube/Twitch channels, and that's assuming they don't put it in a Direct.
 
Bear_Mint said:
On a more wholesome news, Ace Combat 8! The subreddit's hopium has paid off.
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It's really great, leans more to AC5's first-person perspective as opposed to the last game.
Now if AC8 gives a cheesy line like "dance with the angels" it'll be pretty swell
 
Okay, translation of a German interview and/or overview about Total Warhammer 40K

Galaxy Map

  • The galaxy map functions as a hybrid between a campaign selection menu and meta-progression. You don't actually move armies or end turns here, instead you're given an overview of the galaxy at large and offered several campaigns to take part in.
  • Those campaigns are split into three types: Full campaigns, short campaigns, and singular decisive battles. Full campaigns will be closest to traditional Total War, set in a full star system meant to be longer and finished over multiple sessions. Short campaigns will feature only a few planets and be intended to be completed in a single evening. Singular battles are self explanatory. So it's a "choose your commitment" type system
  • Campaigns can either be generated, or narrative. So there will be campaigns set in handcrafted systems/locations from the lore, with narrative objectives and factions, and also campaigns that are more randomized
  • Completing campaigns carries over effects and changes to the galaxy layer and potentially future campaigns. The example they gave was helping the Imperial Guard in one campaign leads to allied Imperial Guard forces showing up to support you throughout battles in your next campaign
  • It's unclear how much management will be done at this layer, but the article does seem to hint that you'll manage the systems you've taken in campaigns

Campaign Layer

  • The campaign layer sounds like it will function like a traditional total war campaign. You have armies, fleets, resources, infrastructure to manage, and you move them around the map
  • Campaigns will feature multiple planets in single systems/sectors. Planets will be different biomes and states of war (some may have ongoing battles, be hive planets, etc)
  • Planets will be separated by space (seemingly connected by lanes, if the gameplay preview is anything to go by), which will be traversed by your fleets. Similar to the role the sea played in previous total war's
  • Upgrading fleets and fighting space battles was mentioned, but those details aren't being revealed yet

Planets

  • Each planet will function like a little mini total war campaign map.
  • Continents are stated to be about the size of provinces in current Total War. Armies move around here like a normal Total War map, where you move them around on a board essentially.
  • Instead of building cities you are mostly relegated to building outposts and bases. Cities will still play a part however, they will be more like independent entities that you occupy and then manage from there instead of building and upgrading yourself. Constructing buildings and recruiting units in them was mentioned, so it seems like it'll be a similar to current city management just more horizontal rather than vertical.
  • Your fleets can interact with planets by doing orbital bombardment, exterminatus, etc.
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I look forward to seeing if they can actually pull this off. :V

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original article: it's a fucking subscription site
 
Guardian Box said:
Original War, a game from 2001, just got an update.

It's been almost quarter of a century, and somehow the game is still getting official support.
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EverCrack 1 just released a new expansion on the 2nd. It's thirty second expansion, even. EverCrack 2 just released another expansion too but it's a bit younger :V

Guessing Original War isn't an MMO though.
 
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