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Your Everything Disgusts Me (DC/SI)

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Guile said:
I don't think the protagonist here has the right mindset for that. Remember his contempt for himself was strong enough to remake himself from the ground up.

Your idea would work better for a Gilgamesh type character. One with overwhelming pride in himself.
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Yeah. While he has Contempt for mortality as a concept he can't change how he feels about personal pain or death. In that case, the primary emotion is definitely Fear.
 
Felius said:
Maybe contempt for the lack of protection? You hate that you lack force fields, because not having force fields is stupid and just overall unacceptable. Might give at least a weaker shield maybe?
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Thing is, Contempt isn't hate. Hate is generally more irrational, whereas Contempt is a bit more rational of an emotion. Contempt is the feeling that something is without value or worth. Beneath you. Certainly, being unprotected is beneath me but there's already the environment shield. I might have to drop that to get a better defence against actual attacks; which is, frankly, foolish.
 
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So, given the colors of the "spectrum" that Puce comes from, might we see recreations of the other Power Ring types from that continuity? Because they all seem to be various mixtures of the main DC Colors in some way, so someone could, theoretically, synthesize those connections between colors to recreate the alternate Spectrum.

Like, my idea here is that, for whatever reason, the core Emotional Spectrum was not used by the universe Puce comes from, and instead was used to synthesize the Lantern Power Cores, suppressing the influence of the "pure" spectrum. Or, perhaps, the emotional spectrum is the same colors in the universe Puce comes from, but the transition made "best fit" colors from the local Emotional Spectrum.

My biggest question is this: are Black and White still Death and Life, or is Black attuned to Apathy while White is attuned to something like Enlightenment? Because if the spectrum is overhauled, then what happens to the absence and full synchronization of it?
 
Morphile said:
So, given the colors of the "spectrum" that Puce comes from, might we see recreations of the other Power Ring types from that continuity? Because they all seem to be various mixtures of the main DC Colors in some way, so someone could, theoretically, synthesize those connections between colors to recreate the alternate Spectrum.
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The relation between the original colours has no bearing on the nature of their existing ones; even if it might seem to be coincidentally related in some cases. Synthesising an artificial addition to the local spectrum would be a monumental task; there's just no room. Puce Lantern's CPB is the only source of Puce Light in this reality, and there's no source for the others; hence why the ring isn't picking up on them.
Morphile said:
Like, my idea here is that, for whatever reason, the core Emotional Spectrum was not used by the universe Puce comes from, and instead was used to synthesize the Lantern Power Cores, suppressing the influence of the "pure" spectrum. Or, perhaps, the emotional spectrum is the same colors in the universe Puce comes from, but the transition made "best fit" colors from the local Emotional Spectrum.
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It's just an entirely different spectrum. But the creators theorised alternative potential options in other realities, so the ring's software is able to identify the new ones it finds itself in contact with.
Morphile said:
My biggest question is this: are Black and White still Death and Life, or is Black attuned to Apathy while White is attuned to something like Enlightenment? Because if the spectrum is overhauled, then what happens to the absence and full synchronization of it?
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Black and White remain unchanged in the local reality. They are more or less absolutes.
 
TotalAbsolutism said:
Black and White remain unchanged in the local reality. They are more or less absolutes.
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I meant in the reality Puce is from. It seems like an opportunity for some odd alternates that fit similar roles. I mean, Black in DC seems to be active negation of the Spectrum, but what about being a simple absence of it? Absorbing or reflecting the normal Spectrum? Apathy seems like a more logical Black to me, and having a more abstract Spectrum makes it seem like Life and Death fit less as White and Black as a result. Like, all the canon DC Emotional Spectrum powers are keyed to more or less concrete mental states, while the one Puce is from seems to be about concepts rather than states. You respect things, you have mercy on people, but you feel greed, you feel hope.

And Black is actually largely unrelated to the Emotional Spectrum. It's a side thing keyed to Nekron in particular that happens to be largely antithetical to the Emotional Spectrum, rather than an actual part of it. So in a topsy-turvy universe with a different Spectrum, it's counterpart of Nekron could be apart from the Spectrum in a less conflicting way. Or a differently-conflicting way, like the Black Light of Apathy being an eldritch thing that screws with how reality works quite severely by being an utter absence of the Emotional Spectrum. Nekron is what the Darkness Before the Universe saw as Life's interpretation of Death. What kind of being would be made from that force's view of Enlightenment's interpretation of Apathy?

Really, Nekron from Darkest Night is actually the result of a pre-universe force making something out of it's interpretation of Life's view of Death. Said force could have gone after a different concept, instead. Nekron is far from the only embodiment of Death in DC, after all. Hell, there's three different versions of the bugger.
 
Morphile said:
I meant in the reality Puce is from. It seems like an opportunity for some odd alternates that fit similar roles. I mean, Black in DC seems to be active negation of the Spectrum, but what about being a simple absence of it? Absorbing or reflecting the normal Spectrum? Apathy seems like a more logical Black to me, and having a more abstract Spectrum makes it seem like Life and Death fit less as White and Black as a result. Like, all the canon DC Emotional Spectrum powers are keyed to more or less concrete mental states, while the one Puce is from seems to be about concepts rather than states. You respect things, you have mercy on people, but you feel greed, you feel hope.

And Black is actually largely unrelated to the Emotional Spectrum. It's a side thing keyed to Nekron in particular that happens to be largely antithetical to the Emotional Spectrum, rather than an actual part of it. So in a topsy-turvy universe with a different Spectrum, it's counterpart of Nekron could be apart from the Spectrum in a less conflicting way. Or a differently-conflicting way, like the Black Light of Apathy being an eldritch thing that screws with how reality works quite severely by being an utter absence of the Emotional Spectrum. Nekron is what the Darkness Before the Universe saw as Life's interpretation of Death. What kind of being would be made from that force's view of Enlightenment's interpretation of Apathy?

Really, Nekron from Darkest Night is actually the result of a pre-universe force making something out of it's interpretation of Life's view of Death. Said force could have gone after a different concept, instead. Nekron is far from the only embodiment of Death in DC, after all. Hell, there's three different versions of the bugger.
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Black and White remain Life and Death; but their origin and relationship with each other and the spectrum is not nearly the same.

Respect and Mercy are no less emotions than Will, to my mind. Really, they ought to refer to Green as Resolve instead.
 
The Froggy Ninja said:
What kind of mental contamination would Respect even give?
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Very little, but it's not a good ring for someone not firm in themselves. You need to have self-respect to protect yourself, respect for your enemies to hurt them and respect for a course of action to do it at all. It's hard to help weak or pathetic people because as much as you may sympathise with their situation... You don't really respect them.
 
TotalAbsolutism said:
Very little, but it's not a good ring for someone not firm in themselves. You need to have self-respect to protect yourself, respect for your enemies to hurt them and respect for a course of action to do it at all. It's hard to help weak or pathetic people because as much as you may sympathise with their situation... You don't really respect them.
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How open is that last issue to reinterpretation? Like, you could not respect the person you're healing but respect the action of healing them. Or would that not work?
 
The Pity ring, OTOH, would likely be quite good for helping the hopeless (the more pathetic they are, the more you can help), but unless you have a great deal of self-pity, might not be so good for protecting yourself.
 
Prince Charon said:
The Pity ring, OTOH, would likely be quite good for helping the hopeless (the more pathetic they are, the more you can help), but unless you have a great deal of self-pity, might not be so good for protecting yourself.
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Now I'm debating with myself if writing such a thing would be a good idea, because I'm fairly certain I'd be able to use such a ring if it were real. :eek:
 
rooster said:
Now I'm debating with myself if writing such a thing would be a good idea, because I'm fairly certain I'd be able to use such a ring if it were real. :eek:
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The thing to remember for that Ring, almost like a mantra, would be "You should be better then me". It would actually be somewhat interesting.
KinKrow said:
Ahhh, "I can't respect myself if I don't heal them," or, "I respect my healing capabilities."
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This actually reminds me of how INTJs were called a "Cause with a rebel.". "This is my cause; This is my fight[...]" indeed.
 
TotalAbsolutism said:
Very little, but it's not a good ring for someone not firm in themselves. You need to have self-respect to protect yourself, respect for your enemies to hurt them and respect for a course of action to do it at all. It's hard to help weak or pathetic people because as much as you may sympathise with their situation... You don't really respect them.
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TotalAbsolutism said:
For your entertainment, the rest of the spectrum from the Puce ring's home.

Puce - Contempt
Gold - Glory
Grey - Despair
Green - Discontent
Blue - Happiness
Khaki - Mercy
Purple - Respect
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TotalAbsolutism said:
That's never really going to not be an issue. It's worth noting that in its home dimension the Puce ring operates one of the furthest slots from middle; which are generally the ones with strongest mental contamination. Specifically it's the equivalent of the colour that normally makes its users go literally insane with endl
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so in the original universe that the Puce ring comes from How much mental contamination comes from the gold/glory ring? also who is usually chosen by those rings? Are they just narcissistic jackasses or are they people who do actually Glorious actions like running into a burning building to save someone/Fighting against injustice and oppression?
 
The Froggy Ninja said:
How open is that last issue to reinterpretation? Like, you could not respect the person you're healing but respect the action of healing them. Or would that not work?
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Trying to make yourself think differently is a time-honoured tradition, yes. But that requires the basic value you're describing; that is to say, you need to find the act of healing to be inherently respectful. If you don't then it won't work.
KinKrow said:
Ahhh, "I can't respect myself if I don't heal them," or, "I respect my healing capabilities."
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The former would not work for a Respect ring user. The latter would.
Prince Charon said:
The Pity ring, OTOH, would likely be quite good for helping the hopeless (the more pathetic they are, the more you can help), but unless you have a great deal of self-pity, might not be so good for protecting yourself.
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Quite correct. You are only capable of using the ring on or for things you find pitiable or pathetic.
GiftofLove said:
It's pretty easy to find people drowning in self-pity.
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Keeping that attitude after getting a power ring is surprisingly hard.
Shinichi07 said:
so in the original universe that the Puce ring comes from How much mental contamination comes from the gold/glory ring? also who is usually chosen by those rings? Are they just narcissistic jackasses or are they people who do actually Glorious actions like running into a burning building to save someone/Fighting against injustice and oppression?
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Yes. You have to have a bit of both to use it well. You need to believe in your own Glory and worship it. Everything you do has to be Glorifying something. That doesn't need to be you, mind. It's possible to have a cause that you find Glorious and act in accordance with it.
 
Tsotate said:
Surely, anyone who ever has to interact with Wally becomes a source of Puce Light to rival the CPB.
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Wally is not entirely in the wrong. I don't believe that he is, and neither does PL. He has valid points that are couched in an asshole-ish tone because he, personally, feels like he has a beef with PL. There's a reason why Cyborg has said the both of them need to apologise.

... sorry for ruining the joke. :p
 
TotalAbsolutism said:
Wally is not entirely in the wrong. I don't believe that he is, and neither does PL. He has valid points that are couched in an asshole-ish tone because he, personally, feels like he has a beef with PL. There's a reason why Cyborg has said the both of them need to apologise.

... sorry for ruining the joke. :p
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I mean, Wally is not entirely wrong about this specific situation. I just meant that my general reaction to YJ Wally could power a Puce Ring quite handily. He's just utterly worthless.
 
Prince Charon said:
I wouldn't say 'worthless,' but he can certainly be very, very annoying.
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He's a waste of perfectly good air. He's immature, misogynistic, deeply in denial about the very obvious existence of magic in his world, constantly gets the team into trouble by being less competent than he thinks he is, and has never shown a single redeeming feature. If I had a Puce ring in real life, it would completely remove him from an otherwise excellent cartoon.
 
TotalAbsolutism said:
If I can write Guiche de Gramont as an engaging protagonist I can make Kid Flash not terrible. Give him a chance.
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That somewhat different. The former was someone who was such as bad human that being any worse would actually be a improvement, because he wouldn't be able to do anything; He is so bad that he can be utterly dismissed due to not having anything to work with, which is sort of like being angery at grass or drying paint due to it sort of just being there. The latter, on the other, hand thinks he should be doing something, but due to not thinking about what that thing is ends up doing a impression of a parody that doesn't know they are a parody; He should know better, and even if he was just mimicing what he is trying to without adding anything onto that he could still do that if he wasn't such a fuckup about it, which make it somewhat like getting angery at fungus due to them having a whole life cycle based on making things fall apart.
 
TotalAbsolutism said:
Trying to make yourself think differently is a time-honoured tradition, yes. But that requires the basic value you're describing; that is to say, you need to find the act of healing to be inherently respectful. If you don't then it won't work.

The former would not work for a Respect ring user. The latter would.

Quite correct. You are only capable of using the ring on or for things you find pitiable or pathetic.

Keeping that attitude after getting a power ring is surprisingly hard.

Yes. You have to have a bit of both to use it well. You need to believe in your own Glory and worship it. Everything you do has to be Glorifying something. That doesn't need to be you, mind. It's possible to have a cause that you find Glorious and act in accordance with it.
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So would you say purple/respect is the center of the Alternate spectrum like will/green is in the regular dc verse?

Also any idea on what the symbol for the respect ring would be? Cause I came up with one for glory/gold that's a triangle with the classic lantern circle/center at the tip then two prongs curving up from the circle to form "arms" kinda like a simplified trophy
 
Shinichi07 said:
So would you say purple/respect is the center of the Alternate spectrum like will/green is in the regular dc verse?

Also any idea on what the symbol for the respect ring would be? Cause I came up with one for glory/gold that's a triangle with the classic lantern circle/center at the tip then two prongs curving up from the circle to form "arms" kinda like a simplified trophy
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Respect was explicitly stated to be at the edge of the spectrum. Discontent is the middle.
 
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