Grimmouse197
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You know I'm thinking at this point having the gamer part included at the start was a mistake.
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Oh, if I could go back in time and restart things, I'd either pair it all the way back, ala what I've done with Game of Kingdoms, or remove it completely.You know I'm thinking at this point having the gamer part included at the start was a mistake.
Because he doesn't trust his force prowess and is still undecided on his full path; he is not fully centered in the force and wants to do his saber correctly this time where last time he merely based it off Dooku and wrote off his saber as a toolI'm a bit confused at this point on why he is still waiting to re-build his lightsaber? I know he says he is still getting comfortable with the new changes.... but isn't part of getting used to his new normal doing tasks he'd have done before....... like sparring with a lightsaber, to understand what combat will be like with his new raw exposure to the Force? At this point he's had several months of downtime, multiple different times. Not having built something by now, even something temporary for training/protection, seems very foolish to me. Also seems to be actively holding back his improvement at this point, which is a bit annoying, given he's already taken such a huge step back in the recent chapters with the whole Natural Selection thing.
I'm glad he's back with Dooku for a bit.... frankly him blindly following Adas path seemed naive and foolhardy to me. Glad he can brainstorm with a Master like Dooku and hopefully find his own way of blending everything together, rather than just apeing Ancient Sith's techniques.
Anyways, thanks for the chapter as always!
Right, but isn't fighting with a lightsaber part of his relationship with the Force? Especially given his combat focus? If so, he literally cannot fully centre himself until he's gotten used to fighting with his new connection... so he'll never build one, if thats the case. I get that once he's fully in control and moving forward he wants to build a saber that's unique to him and his connection with the Force, using the rare materials he has, but to not build something quickly in the meantime, for training and to tide himself over seems pretty stupid. All Jedi learn and train on "training sabers" for years before building their own, no? So its not like using a temporary generic saber would be unforgivable. Plus he's actively reducing his combat abilities for no other reason than he wants to eventually feel good and build something perfect.Because he doesn't trust his force prowess and is still undecided on his full path; he is not fully centered in the force and wants to do his saber correctly this time where last time he merely based it off Dooku and wrote off his saber as a tool
He's certainly not blending; but you'll see
Um what; Cam has generic sabers and training sabers; he's certainly not slacking on his or Anakin's saber training; he's just got an ego and so doesn't want to use a generic sabers in true combatRight, but isn't fighting with a lightsaber part of his relationship with the Force? Especially given his combat focus? If so, he literally cannot fully centre himself until he's gotten used to fighting with his new connection... so he'll never build one, if thats the case. I get that once he's fully in control and moving forward he wants to build a saber that's unique to him and his connection with the Force, using the rare materials he has, but to not build something quickly in the meantime, for training and to tide himself over seems pretty stupid. All Jedi learn and train on "training sabers" for years before building their own, no? So its not like using a temporary generic saber would be unforgivable. Plus he's actively reducing his combat abilities for no other reason than he wants to eventually feel good and build something perfect.
This is setting aside the fact that Cam literally in this chapter, is freaking out about the limited time he has to train himself and his Padawan..... but he's fine having now wasted over a year, with absolutely zero focus on lightsaber training, again, just so he can feel good when he finally builds his perfect lightsaber..... that makes no sense to me.
He should be training up his skills, while getting used to this new force connection, slowly honing in on his own personal combat style that fits his new relationship with the Force..... then his real true lightsaber should be the final piece of the puzzle that connects him to his final and complete combat style. Knowing the piece that is missing would help him design and shape the lightsaber. The idea that he starts with his new saber, then designs and builds his new combat skills with the new connection makes little sense to me logic wise, let alone story wise.
Well thats good.... felt like we haven't gotten any indication he's been training up his lightsaber skills at all, if I missed that, I apologize.... though if he has been training and has a training saber, why can't he spar with Dooku? Either way, that solves most of the issue I had..... except his whole ego thing, which is beyond dumb, and you'd think after he lost Anakin he'd have been focused on being as combat prepared as possible, but he's not immune to stupidity and arrogance I suppose.Um what; Cam has generic sabers and training sabers; he's certainly not slacking on his or Anakin's saber training; he's just got an ego and so doesn't want to use a generic sabers in true combat
Because he hasn't regained enough of his stride to be comfortable doing so
No one is
Why are you assuming you missed something, Cam has suddenly gained a real connection to the force instead of a gamer filtered one, he is feeling all of the intensity all of its influence over his emotions, and thinks that he can learn from one of the greatest Sith Lords in galactic history, and not be led down the path the sith Lord wants him to, why do you assume he's right?I'm confused. Isn't "building a crystal from nothing more than his desires" exactly what Adas wanted him to do? This "I didn't fail, I learnt so I could succeed later in doing it my way anyway" sounds like drowning in copium. Didn't he fail exactly like Adas said, and isn't what he intends to do now exactly what Adas wanted him to do? What am I missing here?
No, I'm assuming I'm missing something because Cam literally described to himself exactly what he understands is Adas' intended method. What you're describing makes sense before he attempted to reforge this crystal like this, but the inner monologue he has afterward isn't that. It's literally "Adas told me this would fail and to do X, but it didn't fail, it taught me to do something else, Y, which is exactly like X". Do you see what I mean about drowning in copium? It's not even arrogance or hubris, which is what you're describing as far thinking he can learn from Adas only to the degree he wants to. It's just outright lying to himself so transparently it's like "1+1=3, yeah that makes sense".Why are you assuming you missed something, Cam has suddenly gained a real connection to the force instead of a gamer filtered one, he is feeling all of the intensity all of its influence over his emotions, and thinks that he can learn from one of the greatest Sith Lords in galactic history, and not be led down the path the sith Lord wants him to, why do you assume he's right?
Yes; the greatest gift of the darkside is the ability to decide even yourself is something I've heard beforeNo, I'm assuming I'm missing something because Cam literally described to himself exactly what he understands is Adas' intended method. What you're describing makes sense before he attempted to reforge this crystal like this, but the inner monologue he has afterward isn't that. It's literally "Adas told me this would fail and to do X, but it didn't fail, it taught me to do something else, Y, which is exactly like X". Do you see what I mean about drowning in copium? It's not even arrogance or hubris, which is what you're describing as far thinking he can learn from Adas only to the degree he wants to. It's just outright lying to himself so transparently it's like "1+1=3, yeah that makes sense".
... Are you being deliberately obtuse? (This is not an insult, to be clear)Yes; the greatest gift of the darkside is the ability to decide even yourself is something I've heard before
The fact he tried to do it another way instead of fully just doing what Adas wanted from the start is enough for him to decide himself into thinking he is not following the path Adas wants
No? This is a deliberate self deception where Cam is willfully blinding and refusing to see what's happening; helped/hindered by the dark side to do so... Are you being deliberately obtuse? (This is not an insult, to be clear)
My complaint is that this self-deception, if I'm not missing anything, is so simplistic that the only explanation for it is that Cam has the self-awareness and logical prowess of a third-grader.
And apparently the Dark Side is so powerful in its control of his mind it can make him phrase things TO HIMSELF in a way that is, quite literally, equivalent in logical value to 1+1=3? Again, the problem is that if this is the intent, it's portraying Cameron in this moment as being deceived DUE TO displaying the self awareness and logical prowess of a third grader.No? This is a deliberate self deception where Cam is willfully blinding and refusing to see what's happening; helped/hindered by the dark side to do so
No? Cam just sees the fact that he attempted another path as proof enough that he is not following Adas blindly and can now do what was suggested with no reservationsAnd apparently the Dark Side is so powerful in its control of his mind it can make him phrase things TO HIMSELF in a way that is, quite literally, equivalent in logical value to 1+1=3? Again, the problem is that if this is the intent, it's portraying Cameron in this moment as being deceived DUE TO displaying the self awareness and logical prowess of a third grader.
To simplify, by your thesis, the Dark Side isn't misleading him, it's literally reducing his cognitive abilities to a juvenile level. That's just dumb, to me at least.
Or, maybe I'm missing something and Cam intends to do something different from what Adas suggested. Hence the question.
That's... Not at all what he thought to himself. To him, he corrected the mistake, which wasn't doing this but poor construction of the furnace. That's why it's so weird. His thought process seems to be "Adas thought the process would fail, but he was wrong, the process succeeded but a different factor failed; now I can correct that and do... What Adas wanted me to do". Do you see how this is weird? He seems to think he still isn't doing what Adas to do, but something that just happens to be the exact same thing. 1+1=3.No? Cam just sees the fact that he attempted another path as proof enough that he is not following Adas blindly and can now do what was suggested with no reservations
Hmmm; may have written it wrongThat's... Not at all what he thought to himself. To him, he corrected the mistake, which wasn't doing this but poor construction of the furnace. That's why it's so weird. His thought process seems to be "Adas thought the process would fail, but he was wrong, the process succeeded but a different factor failed; now I can correct that and do... What Adas wanted me to do". Do you see how this is weird? He seems to think he still isn't doing what Adas to do, but something that just happens to be the exact same thing. 1+1=3.
Read this last 2 paragraphs again; we reworded itThat's... Not at all what he thought to himself. To him, he corrected the mistake, which wasn't doing this but poor construction of the furnace. That's why it's so weird. His thought process seems to be "Adas thought the process would fail, but he was wrong, the process succeeded but a different factor failed; now I can correct that and do... What Adas wanted me to do". Do you see how this is weird? He seems to think he still isn't doing what Adas to do, but something that just happens to be the exact same thing. 1+1=3.
It's much more coherent now, yeah. Big up to you and the OP.
Like he for sure used reverse psychology to convince Cam to think it was fine to go through with using a dangerous process to recreate his crystal when he's never done it before. It was pure hubris on Cam's part because there was definitely a part of him that wanted to succeed on the first try just to prove Adas wrong. Now that he failed he ultimately has to exactly what Adas wanted, yeah no, bro you got played. Also yeah the Force obviously wants you to do this as not only do you have no other choice besides finding another one, you're basically it's favorite person besides Anakin and this could very well be the dark side influencing you but you have convinced yourself that it's simply destiny or fate that's leading the way towards the path you seek.A small growl of annoyance slipped from me as I understood that, because of the failure of the furnace, the chance to reforge my old crystal was gone. Now I would be forced to do as Adas had suggested; to create a focusing crystal purely from my control and domination over the Force. It angered me to have failed, to have lost a small connection to my past, but the notion that I now had to follow Adas' instructions - to accept that his way was the only way - infuriated me to my very core.
I shifted around, wanting to stand for the first time in Force-knew how long. The muscles in my legs protested, straining against what felt like days of inactivity, yet within a short while I was standing. Carefully turning and stretching – I might not experience cramps as most sentients did, but I could feel pain in my body from being stationary for so long – I worked out any potential kinks in my muscles and sinews. Once I was recovered, I would begin anew. I needed a new crystal and knew this was the time for me to forge one, and thus, while I raged at Adas being right, at my failure, I would push forward. Not because Adas said this was the path to take, but because as the Force swirled around me, I knew this was what I had to do.