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Enter the Dragon (Harry Potter/Shadowrun)

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Cutesquid said:
Perhaps the Wizarding World is more respectful of the discoverer of aluminum than the UK. I mean it's not impossible.
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What? Respect a muggle? When he grew up speaking british?

For reals though, Sir Humphrey originally called it Alumium, and later called it Aluminum. It finally settled on Aluminium.
 
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RichardWhereat said:
For reals though, Sir Humphrey originally called it Alumium, and later called it Aluminum. It finally settled on Aluminium.
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I can find a source that Thomas Young reviewed Davy's book and proposed calling it aluminium. I can't find a source that Davy agreed. Can you? By source I mean a paper or book where Davy could be quoted as saying such. He didn't say that in his 1812 book.
 
Probably, if I cared enough to put the effort in. You can imagine though that I don't care enough.

Of course, if you think you win by default, well, go ahead and pat yourself on the back for making assumptions.
 
RichardWhereat said:
Probably, if I cared enough to put the effort in. You can imagine though that I don't care enough.

Of course, if you think you win by default, well, go ahead and pat yourself on the back for making assumptions.
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I was actually just asking a question. A confirmation would be a nice result, as it settles things and the mere lack of finding something does not.

There's no need to take it negatively.
 
No, you were not just, "asking a question." Also, you're well aware of that, and being passive agressive about it.
 
RichardWhereat said:
No, you were not just, "asking a question." Also, you're well aware of that, and being passive agressive about it.
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I was genuinely expecting you to come up with something that proves you right. That's why I asked, interest. That you don't believe me is fine. I'd ask you not to impute motives to me, however.

Don't just assume I'm lying. When I say I am telling the truth, I am telling the truth. I am telling the truth about this. Do you think I care enough about what some metal is called to lie?
 
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I noticed that in the HP movies, the directors were not particularly strict about portraying the characters in "uniform". Harry and his crew seemed to
show up in pretty much anything they felt like wearing. I can't tell, after re-reading parts of each book, whether that seemed in keeping with
what JKR wrote or not.

Anyone have any thoughts about this? The reason that I ask is that there were several threaded conversations in pages past (here) about
skirt-length, etc. Does anyone think that there's a definitive consensus about the Hogwarts uniforms?
 
Eh, the 'feeling what the actors want to wear' thing didn't really happen until somewhere around the fifth movie... but I'm relying on pure memory right now...
 
Edmond G. Bertrand said:
I noticed that in the HP movies, the directors were not particularly strict about portraying the characters in "uniform". Harry and his crew seemed to
show up in pretty much anything they felt like wearing. I can't tell, after re-reading parts of each book, whether that seemed in keeping with
what JKR wrote or not.

Anyone have any thoughts about this? The reason that I ask is that there were several threaded conversations in pages past (here) about
skirt-length, etc. Does anyone think that there's a definitive consensus about the Hogwarts uniforms?
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The films are not in keeping with what JKR wrote, save for the first few. As soon as Harry and company start turning up at the school wearing street clothes, there's where it diverges from the books on that front.

As usual JKRs descriptions aren't very tight, and most of what we know from canon is that there is a uniform - loosely described as resembling a 1950s English school uniform with a black bathrobe over the top but the descriptions are as sparse as JKR's norm - and it can be intimated that most/all students wear the things, though that's never actually written down in black and white. There's no direct mention of any student running around in non-uniform clothes, but there's also no mention of any student ever getting in trouble for being out of uniform and the only real description is what was on Harry's acceptance letter.

The nearest thing there is to a consensus is what was shown in the early films - but there's all the room in the world for a writer to do whatever they feel like as JKR didn't clearly define whether the uniform rules were actually enforced, or for that matter the exact design of the uniforms.
 
Edmond G. Bertrand said:
I noticed that in the HP movies, the directors were not particularly strict about portraying the characters in "uniform". Harry and his crew seemed to
show up in pretty much anything they felt like wearing. I can't tell, after re-reading parts of each book, whether that seemed in keeping with
what JKR wrote or not.

Anyone have any thoughts about this? The reason that I ask is that there were several threaded conversations in pages past (here) about
skirt-length, etc. Does anyone think that there's a definitive consensus about the Hogwarts uniforms?
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The movie robes, and uniforms have no relation to the ones in the books.
In the books Wizards and Witches wear full robes instead of modern trousers, and shirts, or skirts i.e they provide full coverage and you wouldn't know what (if anything) they're wearing underneath one. In book one the students are "changing into" their Hogwarts robes, not putting them on over other clothes, and there is even a line in IIRC the fourth book during the world tournament that suggests many wizards and witches don't wear anything under those robes.

Given that you are already ignoring that just pick what length you feel works for the story, and ignore anyone who complains about it not fitting canon.

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loosely described as resembling a 1950s English school uniform with a black bathrobe over the top
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That sounds like a Retcon as it doesn't match what few descriptions we have in the early books. Where is that from?
 
The Unicorn said:
That sounds like a Retcon as it doesn't match what few descriptions we have in the early books. Where is that from?
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Am I misremembering what was on the list in Harry's acceptance letter? IIRC that letter was the nearest thing we have to an actual description.
 
Doghead13 said:
Am I misremembering what was on the list in Harry's acceptance letter? IIRC that letter was the nearest thing we have to an actual description.
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HOGWARTS SCHOOL of WITCHCRAFT and WIZARDRY

UNIFORM
First-year students will require:
1. Three sets of plain work robes (black)
2. One plain pointed hat (black) for day wear
3. One pair of protective gloves (dragon hide or similar)
4. One winter cloak (black, with silver fastenings)
Please note that all pupil's clothes should carry name tags.
COURSE BOOKS
All students should have a copy of each of the following:
The Standard Book of Spells (Grade 1)
by Miranda Goshawk
A History of Magic
by Bathilda Bagshot
Magical Theory
by Adalbert Waffling
A Beginner's Guide to Transfiguration
by Emeric Switch
One Thousand Magical Herbs and Fungi
by Phyllida Spore
Magical Drafts and Potions
by Arsenius Jigger
Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them
by Newt Scamander
The Dark Forces: A Guide to Self-Protection
by Quentin Trimble
OTHER EQUIPMENT
1 wand
1 cauldron (pewter, standard size 2)
1 set glass or crystal phials
1 telescope
1 set brass scales
Students may also bring, if they desire, an owl OR a cat OR a toad.
PARENTS ARE REMINDED THAT FIRST YEARS
ARE NOT ALLOWED THEIR OWN BROOMSTICK
 
Doghead13 said:
Am I misremembering what was on the list in Harry's acceptance letter? IIRC that letter was the nearest thing we have to an actual description.
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I don't recall Harry's acceptance letter having any description of the robes beyond "three sets of plain work robes (black)".
From the Madam Malkin scene we know the robes are put on by "pulling them over [your] head" so not the sort of open robes we see in the movies and that they're "long",
When Harry and Ron change into robes on the train Harry notes that Ron's robes were "a bit short for him, you could see his sneakers underneath them" which suggests floor length robes that cover them completely (reinforcing the description as "work robes").
 
If you're looking at being canon compliant at all, which this story would have to have a complete rewrite for, then you're best ignoring the movies entirely.

But since you're not going canon compliant, don't even bother about it, just write what you like.
 
TenMoreMiles said:
Please tell me the third cross isn't Naruto
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If it turns out to be Naruto it better be unapologetically wacky like SpoonandJohn's "Itachi, Is That A Baby?" fic.

Edmond G. Bertrand said:
Does anyone else read Minerva as a "Rev. Mother Superior" kind of character?
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Well, she sure is strict as one at least. Really, there's not much we can say about Minerva McG because she's only ever portrayed as one of the incompetent adults in canon with the "Keep your head down" and "I don't know what you're talking about" and all. About her only moment of real personality was when she was dissing Umbridge.
 
Well, really enjoying this. Been a while since I last read Doghead13's original version, but it seems to me that Dunkelzahn has done a fantastic job of continuing it. Harry really needs to look into wards and ways of tracking his damsels though. Pretty sure Malfoy's employees haven't given up on taking Hermione after all, and I don't want anything like that happening to her.
 
The Unicorn said:
You do know that sort of post is generally considered rude, right?
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Who's trying to be rude? I posted it as a statement and nothing more. I love the story and I look forward to more. I didn't write anything that was demanding or crude or
otherwise nasty. Further, I didn't say that anyone has to *do* anything. I could be a coke-addict and say, "I need my fix" and it would amount to the same thing.
Now, why is it that you felt motivated to give me a hard time?


Edmond
 
Because what you did is called necroposting, reawakening an old thread that has lay dormant for more then two weeks or so, getting everyone's hopes up only for them to find that no, there is no update and there also is no interesting content. This often brings about a tide of complaints much more severe then the one you are currently feeling hurt by, and generally causes bad feelings all around. I forget offhand if QQ has any specific rules against it, but some forums do forbid necro-posting in the rules just to keep the internet backdraft down.
 
Happerry said:
Because what you did is called necroposting, reawakening an old thread that has lay dormant for more then two weeks or so, getting everyone's hopes up only for them to find that no, there is no update and there also is no interesting content. This often brings about a tide of complaints much more severe then the one you are currently feeling hurt by, and generally causes bad feelings all around. I forget offhand if QQ has any specific rules against it, but some forums do forbid necro-posting in the rules just to keep the internet backdraft down.
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I've never even heard of necro-posting, and frankly, unless you're the moderator, I really don't care about your opinion. You mean exactly nothing to me.
 
Edmond G. Bertrand said:
I've never even heard of necro-posting, and frankly, unless you're the moderator, I really don't care about your opinion. You mean exactly nothing to me.
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It's one month for necro posts on qq, rules wise you should be fine.

Rule 7: Thread Necromancy is (very) conditionally permitted.
  • Threads that have been dormant for 1 month are considered dead threads. IF you make a post to a dead thread, it must be a significant contribution; story update, new information on current events, new activity for games elsewhere, etc. Asking if a story or quest is dead or will be continued does not count as contributing.
 
Spartan3909 said:
It's one month for necro posts on qq, rules wise you should be fine.

Rule 7: Thread Necromancy is (very) conditionally permitted.
  • Threads that have been dormant for 1 month are considered dead threads. IF you make a post to a dead thread, it must be a significant contribution; story update, new information on current events, new activity for games elsewhere, etc. Asking if a story or quest is dead or will be continued does not count as contributing.
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Thank you.
 
Which one would you rather have:
A quickly churned out, unedited chapter that gives you characters that are flat and dull, terrible grammar and descriptions, and boring plotlines?
Or would you like to wait for a chapter about once every other month on average that gives you brilliant characters that feel like you could meet them in real life, descriptions of scenes that let you feel the wind in your hair and smell the surroundings, and plotlines that grip you and make you quiver in anticipation of the next metaphorical page?
Be patient.

Also, just because this is something that REALLY gets my goat:
Novels, in real life, take years to write, edit, and publish. And the people who do that often at least do it part time, and get paid for it. Dunkelzahn is making this wonderful piece of art on their own time and money, and probably have a full-time job to worry about too. They could be using their time more to their own benefit, but they choose to use it to write this instead. They don't owe anyone a 'fix' of their wonderful Fanfiction. Heck, they could drop off Questionable Questing entirely and there's not a damn thing we could (or SHOULD) do about it because that's THEIR CHOICE. It's their choice to write this fanfic, it's their choice to not write not write this fanfic. So, please, don't annoy them for another chapter.
 
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