General World of Darkness Discussion Thread QQ Edition

Skitzyfrenic · 2025-10-28T12:55:26+0000

shadowdice said:
Caine: I miss Jabal *will not talk about Abel in front of others*

TBF, he probably does miss Jabal, who... is in a hole in the ground protecting a fuckload of Caine blood I think? Probably some timey wimey fuckery going on.

But also truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue.

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Right so what we need is an Uma Revenant quest here on QQ.

Some DA Tzim and ... well Salubri Warrior are the knightiest imo, but Ventrue or Lasombra would also fit. Actually a really artistic Toreador knight could be fun.

One to breed, one to be the face. And more investment. Then they can sell stock to the various Vampiric knight orders throughout the dark ages. And buy since iirc in the v20 DA books it mentions that 'oopsie revenant horse' lines happen quite a bit in the Dark Ages.

They get together and are like 'Revenant horses!' and over time that becomes 'Revenant horse girls!'

So the quest would start in like... Before the War of Princes? So the ranch would have to survive all the way to modern nights. Probably something like 5 year turns? Maybe ten?

Ragura · 2025-10-28T14:56:31+0000

Skitzyfrenic said:
iirc in the v20 DA books it mentions that 'oopsie revenant horse' lines happen quite a bit in the Dark Ages

The Mares of Diomedes would work really well as a revenant horse bloodline

shadowdice · 2025-10-28T15:08:01+0000

Skitzyfrenic said:
TBF, he probably does miss Jabal, who... is in a hole in the ground protecting a fuckload of Caine blood I think? Probably some timey wimey fuckery going on.

But also truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue.

I always interpreted Jabal being the favorite ghoul respected more than many Antes being due to the fact that bible Jabal was the animal breeding descendant of Caine and thus the one who reminded him of his brother

SGB · 2025-10-28T15:50:30+0000

Ok. New to this thread, but I have a question for yall

Do y'all like the VTM clans or the VTR clans better? The Apocalypse or Forsaken Tribes?

I think everyone agreed the Lost was better than the Dreaming when it came to changelings

Skitzyfrenic · 2025-10-28T16:03:21+0000

SGB said:
Ok. New to this thread, but I have a question for yall

Do y'all like the VTM clans or the VTR clans better? The Apocalypse or Forsaken Tribes?

I think everyone agreed the Lost was better than the Dreaming when it came to changelings

Overwhelmingly, but not entirely, the oWoD lore is better. I can confirm this from a personal position.

I cannot confirm, but have heard that the reverse is true about rules and mechanics. nWoD typically has superior mechanics.

And then there's 5th and '5th' editions. Which routinely pisses on oWoD lore but includes stripped down nWoD mechanics so it's... a thing, yeah.

shadowdice · 2025-10-28T16:06:48+0000

For VTR clans I like the way Requiem did the Nosferatu bane and I liked the Mekhet but overall prefer VTM clans and lore

There are times where I look at mechanics and are a bit confused like Praenastia

SGB · 2025-10-28T16:16:29+0000

Skitzyfrenic said:
Overwhelmingly, but not entirely, the oWoD lore is better. I can confirm this from a personal position.

shadowdice said:
For VTR clans I like the way Requiem did the Nosferatu bane and I liked the Mekhet but overall prefer VTM clans and lore

Id say the vtm clans have far more charm. A few of the updates were ok departing from previous stereotype stuff. I like the Hecata as a concept rather than just "the Necromancers are all Italian guys" and the new Ravnos weakness. The discipline merging (looking at you Oblivion) was pure bleh and the only one I liked was Serpentis getting folded into other stuff. I liked the VTR nossie weakness better too as well. Less same-y than just "you look fugly."

I think my only issue with the werewolf tribes on owod was that they were just…..so specific. "What if these werewolves were all irish?", "what if they were all Eastern Europeans", "what if they were just native Americans?"

Owod in general just has more personality (still think dreaming was dumb though lol)

shadowdice · 2025-10-28T17:10:54+0000

As a just lore nerd thing, you can track kindred migration more or less from day one with the exception of South/Latin America because we don't really get much on the Drowned Legacies.

Presumably Kindred Civilization started in the Middle East. Tzimisce is the only one who is weird in that he might not have come from there depending on if you interpret his ties to Eastern Europe as not being adopted/magical. Canonwise, most of the early migration seems to have been north and to the east with people moving over into the Indus Valley. Likely due to Saulot having gone there and come back with stories about Golconda, possibly his third eye if he didn't get it from Malkav.

From here we get more or less definitive evidence that Ravnos and Ennoia went to the east and seemingly fought the Kuei-Jin before they had a falling out and most of Ennoia's get went south to Africa or north to Scandinavia. The existence of the Anda however points to her having gone further east at some point. Similarly, even if Tzimisce didn't do it personally, one of his earliest Childer went to India and made numerous fledgelings. The Ventrue arrived early enough to deeply insert themselves into the Brahmin caste with the possibility that they might be the oldest lineage of ventrue. Which has interresting implications as they have Blood Magic as an in clan discipline instead of Presence. That they claim to be the guardians of Veddhartha and Mithras's lore identifies such a person as his sire would imply that either they are correct and that is the Ventrue Ante or that Mithras is a diablerist who ate a 4th gen, but that would still put there being an even older Ventrue with an Indian sounding name as one of the Antediluvian's first childer. What is a bit weird here is that the Setites have the Daitya bloodline who have the same version of blood magic as the Ventrue Danava as a clan discipline instead of Serpentis. This is likely intended to be due to them slowly dropping Set from their practices.

Interesting, the Daitya bloodline had a further breakage from a sect that became buddhist. We do not get much on these guys, but it would be on point for them to have moved along to other parts of Asia following Buddhist prosyletism and their conflict with the Daitya. Similarly, the Anda Gangrel were tied to the mongols who did make it all the way to the Korean Peninsula and tried to invade Japan a few times.

Additionally, Lasombra pirates could have moved through the seas or abyss out east and embrace Wokou pirates. Gangrel have their whole Mariner faction as well which would allow them to spread basically anywhere.

More definitively we know that both Lasombra and Tzimisce went down south to the other parts of Africa with Lasombra interacting with the Maasai in Kenya and Tzimisce turning a dude inside out. We know a lot of this happened in about 8000bc which would be well before the hot dry phase with made the Sahara into what we think of it now, so there would have been less of a geographic problem for Antediluvians to have gone down there. If anything, the desertification would have been what separated vampire communities (need for herds to travel out there unless you have like elder celerity).

So, if you don't use Kuei-Jin in lore you'd expect a lot of Ravnos, Gangrel, Setites, Ventrue, Lasombra, and Tzimisce over in the east if using just the lore from previous editions. With a lot of blood sorcery used by a bunch of them. Possibly Cappadocian or other necromancers as they could go to the underworld and pop back up over there.

edit

also another point of me screaming at the screen when it comes to the Chinese Room vampire game.

They made it so your main way of unlocking vampire powers which it implies you had before is by drinking the blood of other vampires in a potion. Multiple times. As in you should be partially blood bonded to over half a dozen vampires by the time you complete the game.

heralding_bubble · 2025-10-28T19:13:49+0000

Burgerkrieg played a bit of Bloodlines 2, haven't watched it myself yet.

edit: NeverKnowsBest also did some, first part

SGB · 2025-10-28T19:48:45+0000

……is it true one of the Bloodlines 2 romances is an actual mega old granny?

shadowdice · 2025-10-28T20:08:02+0000

SGB said:
……is it true one of the Bloodlines 2 romances is an actual mega old granny?

You can flirt with people but I haven't seen it actually do shit with the story

There is a granny Tremere so actual hag but younger than you

Gereh · 2025-10-28T22:46:19+0000

SGB said:
Do y'all like the VTM clans or the VTR clans better? The Apocalypse or Forsaken Tribes?

This is kinda unfair since despite those being the similar games this doesn't really translate one-to-one. VTM clans have a lot more personality, like if you here someone is a Ventrue or Tremere you already kinda know what they are like, while the VTR clans are a lot more vague. So most people will like VTM clans more, since when you through them you go like "Oh I instantly got an idea for a char" or "Oh man I really a Ventrue", meanwhile nobody goes "I'm such a Mekhet" (still I would recommend anyone if you have chance to play VTR, to at least once pick a Mekhet and you favourite covenent, I promise you, you will have fun with it).

Besides that I think that the Lore and Metaplot in VTM is way more interesting than in VTR. I understand that they didn't want Caine in VTR because it kinda directly implies "Judaism/Christianity/Islam is right" and they generally moved away from Christianity motives in all editions, but to me personally makes it less fun. So while (IMO) VTR is a better game, it's less interesting to talk about stuff outside of the actual games. (Also less people play so getting a group together is a pain)

Since I'm a known Werewolf The Apocalypse hater, the Forsaken Tribes win by default.

Vague Wanderer · 2025-10-29T01:54:54+0000

While I'm probably not really qualified enough to comment on Vampire stuff, having read M20, and having read Awakening 2e, it's not even close. Awakening is considerably easier to understand. The Seers might not be as zany as the Technocracy, but there's still plenty of room for weird shit, especially as CoD makes crossovers pretty easy to set up.

Also, the lack of an iminent apocalyse is kind of useful in that it lets you do whatever without having to worry about the super-vampires waking up and eating everyone. That's useful if you want to tell local stories without invoking The Fate of The World(TM). And if I wanted to do something weird like a Battletech/Vampire crossover, I'd absolutely use VTR for that, so as to not have to worry about Gehenna and everything else.

shadowdice · 2025-10-29T02:27:21+0000

Gereh said:
This is kinda unfair since despite those being the similar games this doesn't really translate one-to-one. VTM clans have a lot more personality, like if you here someone is a Ventrue or Tremere you already kinda know what they are like, while the VTR clans are a lot more vague. So most people will like VTM clans more, since when you through them you go like "Oh I instantly got an idea for a char" or "Oh man I really a Ventrue", meanwhile nobody goes "I'm such a Mekhet" (still I would recommend anyone if you have chance to play VTR, to at least once pick a Mekhet and you favourite covenent, I promise you, you will have fun with it).

Besides that I think that the Lore and Metaplot in VTM is way more interesting than in VTR. I understand that they didn't want Caine in VTR because it kinda directly implies "Judaism/Christianity/Islam is right" and they generally moved away from Christianity motives in all editions, but to me personally makes it less fun. So while (IMO) VTR is a better game, it's less interesting to talk about stuff outside of the actual games. (Also less people play so getting a group together is a pain)

Since I'm a known Werewolf The Apocalypse hater, the Forsaken Tribes win by default.

I like the mekhet enough that I used them as part of the basis for the Mekhet antediluvian in my Gehenna chronicle

I am thinking about there being a coterie of vampires in my version of LA that just interview elders to make historical documentaries and "fantasy" movies

LeftWaiting · 2025-10-29T04:10:59+0000

Vague Wanderer said:
While I'm probably not really qualified enough to comment on Vampire stuff, having read M20, and having read Awakening 2e, it's not even close.

Uh huh.
Now how about not cherry-picking that paid-by-the-word garbage?
Read Awakening1E and Ascension Revised, then come back and try to see if you can say that again with a straight face.
edit:
Hell, skim them even.

Wwind · 2025-10-29T06:22:48+0000

interesting turns this is taking!

SGB said:
I think everyone agreed the Lost was better than the Dreaming when it came to changelings

Lost does indeed seem better. Dreaming is somehow too... incoherent? Too much and not well organized. The chimerical/wyrd power divide are also putting a damper on use of cantrips. Not to mention the whole Realms mechanic.

I actually liked Dark Ages Fae better. Most of it is much more streamlined. you get 3 types of fae, 5 groups to belong to. 4 list of cantrips. Done. The only issue is there being so few Dark Ages Fae books XD

I also think Dark Ages Fae is also better for crossovers within WoD or outside it. In-WoD mostly because you can skedadle out of trouble easily enough. Probably most mobile splat. Even werewolves are mostly limited by their 4 legs or fixed Moon Bridges. A fae can open space-compressing enchanted road at any Dominion 2 to anywhere they have ever been.
For out-of-universe crossovers... they are just fun, being so different from current/modern standard.

BTW, is there a separate WoD crossovers thread?

Skitzyfrenic said:
And then there's 5th and '5th' editions. Which routinely pisses on oWoD lore but includes stripped down nWoD mechanics so it's... a thing, yeah.

they are an abomination and should not be brought up in a polite company XD

SGB said:
The Apocalypse or Forsaken Tribes?

The Pure XD

SGB said:
I think my only issue with the werewolf tribes on owod was that they were just…..so specific. "What if these werewolves were all irish?", "what if they were all Eastern Europeans", "what if they were just native Americans?"

Well... I don't see an issue with that, as they would have been geographically constrained and taking on culture of local humans. Add to that the general insular conservativeness of werewolves and you get Tribes.

What actually gets to me more is the weird distribution. Like Irish or Scandinavian werewolves make their own tribe? And whole of Eastern Europeans or Native Americans also make 1 tribe? How would that even work? You are comparing a small country with a continent or culture.
Would have been better to keep it continental or cultural. Like North European, Roman/Mediterranean, East European, North American. Red Talons shouldn't be a thing at all, as wolves wouldn't organize like that.
Or maybe just keep werewolves only European? Fera should take the rest of locations. You do not need to shoehorn werewoves into Egypt and Subsaharan Africa.

shadowdice · 2025-10-29T06:30:27+0000

Wwind said:
What actually gets to me more is the weird distribution. Like Irish or Scandinavian werewolves make their own tribe? And whole of Eastern Europeans or Native Americans also make 1 tribe? How would that even work? You are comparing a small country with a continent or culture.
Would have been better to keep it continental or cultural. Like North European, Roman/Mediterranean, East European, North American. Red Talons shouldn't be a thing at all, as wolves wouldn't organize like that.
Or maybe just keep werewolves only European? Fera should take the rest of locations. You do not need to shoehorn werewoves into Egypt and Subsaharan Africa.

Well for the Americas it was Uktena, Wendigo, and Croatans but the Croatians got genocided.

Wwind · 2025-10-29T07:09:02+0000

shadowdice said:
Well for the Americas it was Uktena, Wendigo, and Croatans but the Croatians got genocided.

Yeap. You are correct. There are 2 playable native american tribes and one of them is all about worshiping a cannibal god. Nice job White Wolf XD

Though I guess it is within their standard MO. Like, if you read the surface it's the nasty BSDs that are man-eaters. However, Red Talons went to trouble of inventing rituals for eating humans without corruption, Wendigo... are a thing, and apparently quite a few camps in Bone Gnawers are also well known for enjoying long pork. Why make eating humans corruptive to start with? In Forsaken you pretty much have snack on long pork to keep stats balanced sometimes.

Nor should they. If white wolf bothered to properly reflect animal parts as much as human. For most fera there is an impression they didn't even bother to read up on animal in question. This bothers me more then Tribe divisions honestly. Would have made more sense with garou/fera wars too. Put in a bit of work and you can make Gurahl and Mokole threatening enough to make fighting them understandible. Saying nothing on Ajaba.

Imperator Sol · 2025-10-29T07:55:20+0000

Shout out to Flynn's story over on SB, Ocean City Nights.

I highly recommend this story, as it not only depicts the usual vampires but also all the other supernatural folks over in the World of Darkness. It's a light-hearted tale than the usual grim and gloom of the setting, but without sacrificing much of the darkness of the setting.

Wwind · 2025-10-29T08:48:43+0000

Imperator Sol said:
Shout out to Flynn's story over on SB, Ocean City Nights.

I highly recommend this story, as it not only depicts the usual vampires but also all the other supernatural folks over in the World of Darkness. It's a light-hearted tale than the usual grim and gloom of the setting, but without sacrificing much of the darkness of the setting.

Don't forget - Starring a Baali antitribu XD

Imperator Sol · 2025-10-29T09:05:51+0000

Wwind said:
Don't forget - Starring a Baali antitribu XD

Baali cinnamon roll, more like.

Wwind · 2025-10-29T09:12:11+0000

Imperator Sol said:
Baali cinnamon roll, more like.

yeah, she's a sweetheart. Amusingly enough, yeah - you can play Baali like that too. It's not till high levels of Daimonion when you get a direct Wi-Fi link in your head to the lords of the Pit.
Though I personally still prefer Setites. Even on low levels Serpentis is fun XD.

EDIT: one plot hole from the beginning of the fic. She explicitly mentions clan weakness works fully on her. Well, Set may be a dark god, but he is still a god and Setites are a very religious clan. She shouldn't really be prancing around like that.

SGB · 2025-10-29T11:35:46+0000

Imperator Sol said:
Shout out to Flynn's story over on SB, Ocean City Nights.

I highly recommend this story, as it not only depicts the usual vampires but also all the other supernatural folks over in the World of Darkness. It's a light-hearted tale than the usual grim and gloom of the setting, but without sacrificing much of the darkness of the setting.

Pure action/adventure or romance here too? Just curious

Skitzyfrenic · 2025-10-29T13:27:35+0000

Wwind said:
Don't forget - Starring a Baali antitribu XD

Imperator Sol said:
Baali cinnamon roll, more like.

The only good Baali is a dead Baali!

This is how they seduce you!

No pity, no remorse!

The Enemy Within the Clans!

REEEEEEEEEE!

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