General World of Darkness Discussion Thread QQ Edition

[Imperator Sol]

The Fianna are white and haven't been removed, though?

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Yeah, they were fucked over too, to an extent.
They were reduced from a Tribe of drunk, party-loving Irish werewolves into... hospitality wolves? Or something like that.

 

[Notsae66]

The Fianna are white and haven't been removed, though?

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I should specify, it was major contriburing factor, but admittesly not the only one. People picture "Norse," they picture big blond vikings (ie, "aryans"). Some associate this with nazis (due to the nazis hijacking much of their symbols for themselves and idolizing that phenotype), and thus it's easier to just lump the whole clan into that racist depiction. The fianna are white, but they aren't so visibly associated with what some would call "the whitest cultures" that certain rascist groups idolized and despise, and aren't as "aryan." It isn't just the Get being white alone that got them nuked, but it is the factor that made them get completely fucked while more morally fucked up groups got a pass because the fucked up thing their associated with isn't loosely white supremacy. Other factions that are hardcore racists for different groups didn't get nuked from orbit, but the one clan that loosely aesthetically resemble but aren't actually a white supremacists group did. It's just honestly gross behavior from Paradox, deciding which flavour of genocidal intent is more acceptable based on such arbitrary nonsense.

Not to mention, the Fianna didn't exactly come out unscathed either. Many people don't consider the Irish white (they were considered historically the "negro of europe" by a disgustingly large portion of society not a hundred years ago). So to many, they aren't as white as the Get, yet their culture still got obliterated and their heritage destroyed. The norse are about as white as it gets, while some racists don't consider the Irish to be white at all.

 

[Repentant_Dragos]

Yeah, they were fucked over too, to an extent.
They were reduced from a Tribe of drunk, party-loving Irish werewolves into... hospitality wolves? Or something like that.

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I should specify, it was major contriburing factor, but admittesly not the only one. People picture "Norse," they picture big blond vikings (ie, "aryans"). Some associate this with nazis (due to the nazis hijacking much of their symbols for themselves and idolizing that phenotype), and thus it's easier to just lump the whole clan into that racist depiction. The fianna are white, but they aren't so visibly associated with what some would call "the whitest cultures" that certain rascist groups idolized and despise, and aren't as "aryan." It isn't just the Get being white alone that got them nuked, but it is the factor that made them get completely fucked while more morally fucked up groups got a pass because the fucked up thing their associated with isn't loosely white supremacy. Other factions that are hardcore racists for different groups didn't get nuked from orbit, but the one clan that loosely aesthetically resemble but aren't actually a white supremacists group did. It's just honestly gross behavior from Paradox, deciding which flavour of genocidal intent is more acceptable based on such arbitrary nonsense.

Not to mention, the Fianna didn't exactly come out unscathed either. Many people don't consider the Irish white (they were considered historically the "negro of europe" by a disgustingly large portion of society not a hundred years ago). So to many, they aren't as white as the Get, yet their culture still got obliterated and their heritage destroyed. The norse are about as white as it gets, while some racists don't consider the Irish to be white at all.

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Oh, oh my. I do not want to ask how the Fianna are ravaged now.

Maybe W6 will change things, just to save profits?

 

[Maragas]

Heh...I still remember the time when W5 was just getting ready to be released and they were trying to explain why they didn't change "Fianna", because apparently Fianna is just a word. And that's just among many shitty stuff Achilli talked about. That W5 Q/A was a great eye opener on how fucked W5 was.

Is there a reason the Fianna have the only non-English tribe name?
Fianna is just a word, and it stayed because it gives a sense that werewolf cultures have occurred all around the world and been named in local languages. Much like "Garou" is French-based and "Gaia" is Greek, or in Vampire "Toreador," "Camarilla," etc. are Spanish but the greater concepts don't have any association with them. (I also like that "Fianna" helps break up the rest of the tribe names, which are more overtly "thing-doer" in construction.)

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Why change others then? They they backpadelled, made them the Heart Wardens and apologized to Irish people they offended.

Link to the Q/A

 

[shadowdice]

Heh...I still remember the time when W5 was just getting ready to be released and they were trying to explain why they didn't change "Fianna", because apparently Fianna is just a word. And that's just among many shitty stuff Achilli talked about. That W5 Q/A was a great eye opener on how fucked W5 was.

Why change others then? They they backpadelled, made them the Heart Wardens and apologized to Irish people they offended.

Link to the Q/A

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…Irish people were offended by the tribe being named Fianna or offended by the stupid way the writer said the term for the Irish cultural equivalent of the Argonauts was just a word?

 

[Maragas]

…Irish people were offended by the tribe being named Fianna or offended by the stupid way the writer said the term for the Irish cultural equivalent of the Argonauts was just a word?

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The latter.
There are especially a few focal ones that basically demanded that if they are going out of their way to treat stuff like Uktena and Wendigo better, remove Metis etc., why the hell wouldn't they do the same for the Fianna?

 

[shadowdice]

The latter.
There are especially a few focal ones that basically demanded that if they are going out of their way to treat stuff like Uktena and Wendigo better, remove Metis etc., why the hell wouldn't they do the same for the Fianna?

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I am now thinking of Shadowrun and an elderly knights of the red branch operative secretly infecting elven nobles with HMHVV (the setting's eldritch origin vampire/zombie virus) as revenge for the elves taking over Ireland

 

[Commander72]

The latter.
There are especially a few focal ones that basically demanded that if they are going out of their way to treat stuff like Uktena and Wendigo better, remove Metis etc., why the hell wouldn't they do the same for the Fianna?

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Trying to please everyone, ended up pleasing no one.

 

[Skitzyfrenic]

Trying to please everyone, ended up pleasing no one.

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Something made for everyone is something made for no one.

 

[shadowdice]

Something weird i found which reminds me of how bad the Wiki can be is Sculpt the Perfect Servant, which is a Tremere ritual to make super babies.

The Wiki says the ritual requires ripping a baby in half above a pregnant woman. The citation for it in the book is Blood Magic, Secrets of Thaumaturgy page 97-98 and the actual text is "Rip a stillborn baby in half"

While still Horiffically messed up (especially with how a Tremere being a Tremere might get access to those) there is still a pretty massive difference between the two.

A Coterie breaks into a blood mage's house expecting untold horrors while the actual mage looks at them confused explaining that he doesn't curse the babies with deformities or any of the other stuff other tremere do.

The only require malus on the children made with the ritual is that their humanity is capped at 6 which is only 1 below "Normal" and higher than a lot of vampires.

The benefit meanwhile is 3 to 4 dots per attribute instead of a regular human's 2 and can live to 120 without vitae. This is explicitly for all attributes