Gundam Seed Celestial Forge

[a guy1013]

I don't think you can really judge considering how bad your Red Frame SI is.
Sai is nothing like Kira he doesn't crap his pants or act sanctimonious enough to be like Kira. He also hasn't get his upgrades from his girlfriend. Sai hasn't cucked Kira or any of his other friends either.
Also the main character's name is Sai not MC insert that's your SI's name.

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Maybe, but the oc feels too much of a si base on the way he describes UC tech and ce tech , like saying mobile suit tech is soo old , when in ce it's new , since the oc wasn't simply drop here , he would have gone to school learn history and know that zaft made the first ms instead the forge stuff going on , if the MC was more like being wowed by his tech than seeing ce tech being lack luster when being compared then it will feel like the oc is just an oc instead of oc that should been a si instead of being an oc and you read my fic

 

[Limedalek]

Maybe, but the oc feels too much of a si base on the way he describes UC tech and ce tech , like saying mobile suit tech is soo old , when in ce it's new , since the oc wasn't simply drop here , he would have gone to school learn history and know that zaft made the first ms instead the forge stuff going on , if the MC was more like being wowed by his tech than seeing ce tech being lack luster when being compared then it will feel like the oc is just an oc instead of oc that should been a si instead of being an oc and you read my fic

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The main character isn't an OC an OC is an Original Character. The main protagonist is a Canon Character from the Gundam SEED anime that was given the celestial forge power. https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/Sai_Argyle

The reason why he sees mobile suits as old is because Anaheim Degree the first perk/power he got from the celestial forge gave him memories of studying for a degree in the UC Gundam timeline and learning about 80 years of mobile suit tech development. He thinks because of the new memories he gained in chapter 1 that mobile suits are an 80 plus year old technology.

Also what did you mean here I actually don't know what you meant in this part below could you please phase it a bit differently?
when being compared then it will feel like the oc is just an oc instead of oc that should been a si

 

[Z3r0Sama]

This is like going on OOC levels compared to his canon personality.

Hey, is he going to show off more of his "newtype" powers to people?



I hope he get someone better.

Anyone who knows SEED already knows that their relationship will be going nowhere.

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1.Build Superweapon
2.Exterminate ZAFT
3.???????
4.Easy pussy

 

[a guy1013]

The main character isn't an OC an OC is an Original Character. The main protagonist is a Canon Character from the Gundam SEED anime that was given the celestial forge power. https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/Sai_Argyle

The reason why he sees mobile suits as old is because Anaheim Degree the first perk/power he got from the celestial forge gave him memories of studying for a degree in the UC Gundam timeline and learning about 80 years of mobile suit tech development. He thinks because of the new memories he gained in chapter 1 that mobile suits are an 80 plus year old technology.

Also what did you mean here I actually don't know what you meant in this part below could you please phase it a bit differently?
when being compared then it will feel like the oc is just an oc instead of oc that should been a si

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Oh forgot the character existed I assume the new op power set went to an oc

But still how the MC reacts still doesn't make sense since he most likely have history classes and other things to prevent saying something is old tech , since suddenly getting new memories all at once won't suddenly change your understanding of tech or reaction,unless sai lived that 80 years


Now I reread you comment it says he got memories for years so I now will change my expectations from si like to isekai like ,since it will be similar to a UC oc being inserted to a CE person

 

[Darkchespin]

Oh forgot the character existed I assume the new op power set went to an oc

But still how the MC reacts still doesn't make sense since he most likely have history classes and other things to prevent saying something is old tech , since suddenly getting new memories all at once won't suddenly change your understanding of tech or reaction,unless sai lived that 80 years


Now I reread you comment it says he got memories for years so I now will change my expectations from si like to isekai like ,since it will be similar to a UC oc being inserted to a CE person

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as the author, that is the best way to read it. The way i view it while writing, I have the UC memories sort of overpower his memories of living in the seed timeline because UC made sense unlike Seed

 

[James Wilt]

as the author, that is the best way to read it. The way i view it while writing, I have the UC memories sort of overpower his memories of living in the seed timeline because UC made sense unlike Seed

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Yeah, that's the danger of Perks that come with memories, they could easily overpower the MC, and completely change them. It's why I stopped reading The Wonderous Weaving of Wizardry, the SI basically became an amoral asshole and had no qualms about killing innocents after getting memories of training as a Magus.

That's why I like BCF, because despite all the perks that overloaded him with different memories and mindsets, Joe never let himself be consumed by it.

Perhaps Sai will finally realize somethings not right, though right now he's like an idiot savant, confusing everyone with his random statements and wowing them with his innovations...

 

[Darkchespin]

---A/N This one is called Phase 0 because the gundam seed episode titles were Phase#. The battle you are all waiting for is in a couple chapters, so expect me to post it here sometime after I post the next chapter on A03
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There aren't many people on the ground near the machine. There are however two people still there on the ground in the area I want to start moving around in. Good news is the machine can pick up its own torso under its own power, so that is something at least.

"Could you please move? We are doing important tests, and you haven't gotten out of the way."Shows you, finally moving after the giant robot tells you to. No dignity.

"I'm clear for basic joint and movement tests, right? Don't want to step on anyone's toes right now. OR a person for that matter. Being crushed by a mobile suit isn't a way you want to die."

It's painful. Like how an ancient execution method was being stepped on by an elephant but imagine the elephant's foot can instantly control how much force is put on the person being crushed and can also rocket jump. That's the situation that occurs when you crush people to death via mobile suits.

Morbid thought.

"You're cleared."

"Test one: Arm movement."

The controls are functional. The arms are moving. It isn't lagging or anything either, so this isn't going horribly wrong. It's responding about as effectively as any RGM series unit's arms so it can't be horrible. These people described the situation as far more dire than Early type GM mistakes.

"How's the reaction time looking? Is it to your standards?"

It better be. This is above what I consider to be the baseline for combat applicable machinery.

I could try for better, but this machine isn't worth it. The astray is not that great. Above average for a society which has no reactors and just realized what a mobile suit is, but I have standards. The astray is what you expect from one of the really terrible ghetto colonies that's literally falling apart, notapart not one of the largest neutral nations in the earth sphere. We have a war satellite for god's sake! How can we not have already invented fusion yet?! Or just bought it!?

I haven't even explained fusion, have I? oh god. That's going to mindfuck these people isn't it?

This random child woke up and just told them, "Hey, so umm, you guys are grossly incompetent at your jobs and are also garbage scientists. I can write multiple dissertations on why you're bad that don't know anything about physics. I also have at least 50 mass production designs that completely outclass your greatest achievement in every way and I'm not trying."

I must have actually destroyed everyone's psyches at this point. I should probably be gentler whenever they ask about the things that are going on in my brain. I never even got around to the mobile trace system, or the flash system or anything like that.

I really am a weird guy.

"I just zoned out. Is this working to a fair battle standard?"

"YES!! I told you like four times. This is incredibly far beyond expectation!"

"Great. I don't see anyone on the floor. Basic walking test is a go."

The real issue plaguing giant robots is the machine's stability. The square cube law suggests that this should not be okay. However, whoever invented that concept never met the legend known as Dr. Minovsky. The particle he discovered is so utterly bullshit that you can get away with basically whatever you want using them. Truly he was a genius beyond compare. The point being that the first time you make one, legs are your big enemy. It's why tanks are more common early into warfare. Treads are simple and do the job decently. Then you get like spider tanks, but it eventually settles onto bipedal machines. Human form is what we know, and it simplifies a lot of tactics. You can use infantry tactics again with bipedal robots. Sure, cover is harder to find, but at the same time the basics of trench warfare and whatnot can be recreated via mobile suit sized shovels or something. I don't know, I'm not a tactical genius. The point is that there are clear benefits to the bipedal robot design.

I keep over contemplating random thoughts while testing walking. The fact I haven't noticed balance issues yet indicates I have succeeded so that's nice. Orb has issues doing things that are mind numbingly simple for some reason. I would want to test the thruster output, but I am not in a position to test them or anything. We can schedule that for later, I guess. Same with a weapons test. Beam weapons are not ever supposed to be used in a colony if you aren't trying to kill everyone. This is why the shot lancer was invented and why the Jegan had grenades, so you could defeat enemies in a colony without killing a ton of people, or causing oxygen deprivation syndrome in a truly enormous population.

We can stop testing now that I think about it. There isn't anywhere to test the Vulcans on this bad boy in any useful manner, so I have basically nothing left to do.

"So clearly this works. I'm going to end it. I think someone else can make the rest of the testing happen. I am tired. I have been up for like 7 hours straight and used 100% of my brainpower. I really need to sleep."
"You have only been here for like 4 hours. That's barely any time where you were doing things with us, but the machine is far beyond what we originally expected."

"Cool. I'm going home."

"What? It's like 4 pm standard earth time."

"Why is this day so long? I feel like it's been eighty-seven years. I know why my parents only work once every week. Engineering is taxing."

"You mean hard right?"

"I said what I said."

I need to double check what got left out on the OS. It'll help for the eventual lecture in mobile suit engineering. I need to know where they failed so I can target the lecture toward the deficiencies of my Coworkers? Am I their coworker? I just showed up today.

"Wait, how do you want me to store this machine? DO you want me to lay it down again, or is standing fine?"

"Lay it on the table again. We need to do diagnostics on the machine now that the testing is done."

"Ok."

This is a bit harder given how cluttered the cockpit is, but its not going to be painful, I think. Just need to make it sit down first, and then have the arms push back on the ground enough to move properly or make this thing crab walk. Nah, just use the basic sit-down method. I don't need to show off right now. I have to take extra care seeing as I don't want to damage one of our only prototypes.

And there. The machine is now safely stored.

"I'm checking the old OS to figure out what went wrong.

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HOLD ON, how in the god damn fuck did you forget AMBAC?!?!?!? That is beyond ridiculous, this is a level of stupid so gosh darn high I can't even explain it properly!

WHY ON EARTH DID YOU MAKE A MOBILE SUIT THEN!! This is the foundation for why you make mobile suits and not like space fighters. Holy shit, I didn't think you people could fuck up this bad. LIKE FOR FUCK's SAKE, Mobile pods have this technology. MOBILE PODS. Those are stopgaps for people who aren't using mobile suits yet. I will not be sleeping until I give a full lecture on what you are supposed to do."

Calm down. When has being angry ever actually solved anything?

"Sorry for the outburst. It's just so fucking simple to make AMBAC. Like I installed it via software, and that's weird. I need to redesign some joints for better AMBAC, but for the most part the joints and thruster placement would allow for good AMBAC. I don't even understand how that's possible given there was no actual attempt at it. AMBAC is like the most basic tech possible. Momentum conservation is like the most logistical reorientation system."
"What is AMBAC exactly?"

"AMBAC means Active Mass Balance Auto-Control. The AMBAC system coordinates movements and micro-movements precisely, allowing a continuous balance and stability without expending reaction mass. This is one of the reasons that you make a machine with limbs instead of just a big blob of stuff like the mobius. This is why the ball has those arms, to conserve fuel. More limbs allows for better turning, so you could say add some wing binders or a stabilizer tail to add to maneuverability. That however adds mass which means you need better or more thrusters.

How do you not understand AMBAC, but understand Anti-beam coating? I swear you people developed technology backwards."

"What even is anti-beam coating?"

"It's the gold stuff on this machine, or do you not know what that is?"

"No."

"Well then why is this thing gold then? That seems a bit silly."

"Because that's the national color."

"Well, before you ask, Anti-beam coating was originally tested on the Hyaku Shiki. It's basically ablative armor which provides protection against beam weapons. It wasn't the greatest protection against beam attacks, but it was pretty good. Beam shields are way better though."

"I'm almost too afraid to ask if there are any other coatings."

"Well, there is anti-laser coating, anti-beam coating as I mentioned previously, magnetic coating, the weaker cheaper non golden anti-beam coating, sealant for aquatic mobile suits, dust sealant for desert environments, and then miscellaneous other coatings I can't remember off the top of my head."

"Wait a second, you mentioned beam shields. Those aren't properly sized for mobile suits. The biggest usage is the Artemis base, and those are larger than the GINN."

"Yes, they are. It's been standard since like 30 years ago. I have been designing a stopgap machine based on the machine which standardized beam shield technology back in the day. There was a problem with including the shield as standard with our current resources which we didn't have the Helium-3 to fuel it. At least I thought that, but then I realized that I could just use a different reactor type to power the beam shield and the mounted beam spray gun."

"Aquatic mobile suits are being worked on, right?"

"We wanted to make a basic design work first. We have some ideas as to what we want out of an aquatic mobile suit, but they were shelved when we realized we couldn't make a natural compatible mobile suit. We still have the data somewhere around here."

That's actually kinda reasonable. I didn't think that was possible given who I am working with.

"Fair enough, but we need to make one given the Astrays function now. Orb is an island nation, and there is no real reason to not work on one. ZAFT has one I think, I might be wrong on that, but they give off amphibious mobile suit developer vibes. Anyway, an amphibious mobile suit gives us a viable way to defend the fleet, and still have it be useful when defending the homeland on land."
"They do have a couple of those actually."

"Let me guess, it looks like an oval, has noodle arms, and has shoulders which jut out for a long time. Oh, and really thick armor to help it go deeper underwater. How close am I to what they have made?"

"That's actually really close to correct."

"It's the easiest way to make an amphibious machine.

"Why is ZAFT your first idea of an enemy?"
"Well, a few reasons that are just observations of trends. One, they are spacenoids fighting for independence using mono-eyed mobile suits. Groups of that nature generally commit a few atrocities like nuclear strikes or colony drops. Zeon did it, every Neo Zeon group tried something of that scale, and the Crossbone Vanguard tried to do stuff like that once as well, even if they were using non mono-eyed machines. Usually only one per war at most, but sometimes more happen. Two, they did that N jammer thing and that was nowhere near a reciprocal response to a nuking of a colony. I could understand doing it to the Atlantic Federation or something, but way more than three hundred thousand died to what they did. Heck, it's literally set up in a way that violates landmine rules in warfare under the old Geneva Conventions.

Sidenote: We need a new war rules treaty.

Anyway, number three, the only nation which is threatening is the PLANTS. They have mobile suits. They are complete and utter trash, but they are technically mobile suits. The Alliance is probably developing their own somewhere, but if we are failing this badly… their attempt is probably going way worse than ours."

"Why are you acting like the GINN is a terrible mobile suit?"

"It is terrible. The Ocher type uses GAS TURBINES according to my sources. GAS TURBINES! I can't adequately explain how terrible that is. It's impressive in a "wow. you made this in a ghetto out of burnt out cars and actual garbage?" sense, but the PLANTS aren't a ghetto. I cannot compliment it without wanting to puke. I at best can say they did good with battery tech."

"Is this the reactor stuff? Also, what is a colony drop?"

"It's as the name implies: a colony gets dropped onto earth's surface and causes massive amounts of death. It's a viable tactic for an O'Neil's type colony, but really, it's just advanced orbital bombardment. I think a plant colony would be a lot harder to do this with, but I can't be exactly sure. And yeah, reactors are easy to make. I can show you the designs for one right now actually. I'm basically done with the testing now. This thing can walk and kick without falling over and exploding for no reason. I can't test running in here that well, but I'll just assume it's not trash. Nothing in the operating system really needs tuning for higher performance, so I think we can wrap it up now."

"WHY WOULD ANYONE DROP A COLONY ON EARTH?!?"

"To force a surrender, insanity, to show one's ''might'', it's a horrifying tactic, so I felt I was required to mention it. I have designs to counter one of those, but they are genuinely horrifying on every level. I don't ever want to have to make them."

"Why?"

"I am not talking about it. The things I know could be considered future war crimes. I am not willing to tell people about them for fear of the feats of technology being replicated and being used to cause mass genocide. I'll email the plans for the next generation mass production model to you later. I can lecture at a later date. I need time to cool off from the exhausting slog that has been today."

"Do you even have our emails?"

"No, however I have a student email from the university, so you can just contact that. Put in the email that you requested the Den'an Zon designs or something. That phrase is so specific that no one would put that in my inbox besides you. See you later."

----Perks Obtained.
Time to cook 200
Wonderland's sense of time is kind of screwy, and it's perfectly reasonable for a chef to go out for a midnight quest to a mountain for an egg and get back before the pot boils over. This perk essentially slows down the progression of time from a narrative standpoint as long as you are focusing on making food that includes everything from acquiring ingredients to preparing the food to setting the table. This does not slow or freeze the movements of those around you, but it basically means that as long as you are focused on cooking, you'll finish everything on time and nothing will interrupt you. For instance, if you are cooking a special potion to boost your troops in time to stop an invasion, you'll get the potion ready on time even if the siege was just an hour away. When you stop doing food-related things, time returns to its normal pace; spell preparations technically count as cooking by Wonderland rules, though.

 

[Z3r0Sama]

I love this Sai, I mean yeah he's shitting on everyones' life work, but he can back it up.



ZAFT:"Get the (outdated trash)mobile suits!"


Feddies:"Get the fucking WMD designer!"

 

[a guy1013]

So now the question is will this be pro ea who literally nuke a farming colony or be a generic nearly/or thing where the MC does stuff for orb


I doubt I will get a pro zaft fic , since getting a pro- zeon fic is rare as well


But we know flare MC fiancé is willing to give the nsfw tango to anyone who can kill coordinators post her dad dying (this is canon we have multiple evidence this happen and sunrise the main guys who make gundam double-down on that)

 

[James Wilt]

So now the question is will this be pro ea who literally nuke a farming colony or be a generic nearly/or thing where the MC does stuff for orb


I doubt I will get a pro zaft fic , since getting a pro- zeon fic is rare as well

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That's because ZAFT and ZEON are genocidal idiots who think destroying the sole habitable planet in their home solar system is a good idea. If you want Pro-ZEON/ZAFT then you'll want a fic with a MC or SI who overthrows their leadership, and turn those factions into something worthwhile...

Though Sai's a citizen of Orb, so Orb's definitely becoming a Mega-Power...

Edit: Oops, didn't mean to post spoilers, so let's just ignore that shall we?

 

[a guy1013]

That's because ZAFT and ZEON are genocidal idiots who think destroying the sole habitable planet in their home solar system is a good idea. If you want Pro-ZEON/ZAFT then you'll want a fic with a MC or SI who overthrows their leadership, and turn those factions into something worthwhile...

Though Sai's a citizen of Orb, so Orb's definitely becoming a Mega-Power...


Considering that the ultimate big bad is already dead, and the Poor Archangel disabled, Flay's father probably won't die anytime soon now...

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The earth alliance still exist and they are the actual genocide maniac ,since they are the ones who shot first by destroying Julius 7 a basic farming colony so that the plants will never become independent, and then only then did Zaft become genocidal maniacs because when your wife dies from getting nuke you would want those who did it to pay


And plus Orb still exist and we know that Ea is willing to do more atrocities compared to zaft

 

[Z3r0Sama]

The earth alliance still exist and they are the actual genocide maniac ,since they are the ones who shot first by destroying Julius 7 a basic farming colony so that the plants will never become independent, and then only then did Zaft become genocidal maniacs because when your wife dies from getting nuke you would want those who did it to pay


And plus Orb still exist and we know that Ea is willing to do more atrocities compared to zaft

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Doesn't matter. The optics/consequences of using nukes on your own soil is vastly different than doing it in space and I mean, even if the EA has numbers, it doesn't really matter if MC starts shitting out space and time raping Unicorns.

 

[a guy1013]

Doesn't matter. The optics/consequences of using nukes on your own soil is vastly different than doing it in space and I mean, even if the EA has numbers, it doesn't really matter if MC starts shitting out space and time raping Unicorns.

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To the plants earth was no longer their home world, the only reason they needed earth is so they can get enough materials to gain to become truly independent which Ea ruin by nuking a colony , the plants were like you can have earth leave us be in space ,but the ea got salty and sent nukes out

And Zaft wasn't the only one who nuked the earth the ea also did the same thing but unlike zaft who only did it to their enemies they did it to their men as well

EA is worst at least compared to Zaft , sure zaft has a death Lazer thing , but at least Zaft didnt fire the first shot

 

[Limedalek]

I feel I should point out the Earth Alliance isn't a single country. The Earth Alliance is in fact an alliance of four independent nations the Atlantic Federation, the Eurasian Federation, the Republic of East Asia and the South African Union.

Secondly the Nation which is under significant Blue Cosmos influence is the Atlantic Federation the other nations don't want to genocide the PLANTs. The Atlantic Federation and specifically a single Admiral who was taking orders from Muruta Azrael was responible for Nuking the PLANT colony Junius Seven.

And finally in canon ZAFT barely attacked the Atlantic Federation and instead spent most of the war invading the Earth Alliance members that didn't want to genocide coordinators and violating the territorial waters of the Equatorial Union.
Right now Zaft forces are invading two places Taiwan apart of the Republic of East Asia and parts of South Africa, in the latter case Zaft are actively gunning down anyone who tries to surrender to them.

 

[SotF]

I feel I should point out the Earth Alliance isn't a single country. The Earth Alliance is in fact an alliance of four independent nations the Atlantic Federation, the Eurasian Federation, the Republic of East Asia and the South African Union.

Secondly the Nation which is under significant Blue Cosmos influence is the Atlantic Federation the other nations don't want to genocide the PLANTs. The Atlantic Federation and specifically a single Admiral who was taking orders from Muruta Azrael was responible for Nuking the PLANT colony Junius Seven.

And finally in canon ZAFT barely attacked the Atlantic Federation and instead spent most of the war invading the Earth Alliance members that didn't want to genocide coordinators and violating the territorial waters of the Equatorial Union.
Right now Zaft forces are invading two places Taiwan apart of the Republic of East Asia and parts of South Africa, in the latter case Zaft are actively gunning down anyone who tries to surrender to them.

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Yep, and despite Destiny's stupidity, the concept that both sides have someone aiming for an apocalypse in the end kind of makes sense there with some group trying to have their own "Pure World" that's not what most of the underlings think it is

 

[Darkchespin]

So, I'm gonna cut to the chase.
Almost Everyone in the Cosmic Era is kinda stupid beyond the people who show up in Astray. This fic won't really be bashing per say, every side has a few competent people, but there are absolute idiots on both sides. And also like 3 secret societies that have genocide as an aim. Now, you could spend multiple years analyzing why that is the case, why it feels like Orb is the mary sue of the SEED universe in canon for no reason (trust me, I have an almost suitable explanation for it in this fic, and its not just Sai), but that's not really the right place. People have done that analysis before.

What I can say is that it's going to be very nuanced if i write this properly, and don't mess it up. ZAFT was right to make moves away from an oppressive society against there existence, but then jumped in zealotry to causing numerous deaths through the N Jammers and other civilian colonies besides just Heliopolis being destroyed as shown in Astray. the Alliance meanwhile has never up to this point, as in right before the battle of Heliopolis, shown or mounted a major threat to the PLANTS following the N Jammers. If you look at the battles, all of them are ZAFT being aggressive for somewhat justified reasons.

War is complicated, and I hope that will be shown when we move away from all the genocidal people.

 

[Zerak]

Yo, just saw this story and I wanted to ask what the CP accusation rules are?

 

[Darkchespin]

---A/N This one is called Phase 0.5 because this is a weird half chapter meant to show what is happening with everyone else in the universe and the effects of Sai's incredible technology. This chapter was split into two chapters on A03, and it still will be here.
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Introduction: Rondo Gina Sahaku
"Sir, Why did you let the child in on state secrets? You aren't this open with people usually."

"It's an Argyle. They have a history of upending everything whenever they decide to actually do something instead of just going under the radar."

"Like what? I checked and they are nobility, but I can't figure out what they actually do. It's mostly just stories and civilian products like those HARO things."

"There is a reason that ORB was, and still is, independent from every major nation on the planet beyond just our massive military. The Argyles just know things and act accordingly. Whenever someone planned to take over our nation, the Argyle family would "convince" them that it was a bad idea. No one knows how they do it, but the common assumption is blackmail.
The only reason they are not considered a great house is by their own choice. They could be here, but they don't see the point of doing that. They have the resources, but they never use them until some random thing happens. It's infuriating to deal with them as they come off so genuine, but they have to have plans within plans to do what we know they are capable of. It's literally impossible to figure out their endgame until they let you in on it."

"That sounds personal."

"Our Father told me about it back in the day. I'm just repeating the story exactly as he said it."

"The child is only what,16? I don't think he has a greater agenda."

"His parents might. Whatever this is might have more layers than we think, but it's possible they are acting purely in orbs best interest. That's normally their primary goal.
But at the same time this isn't their usual modus operandi. It's usually this subtle word play and weird actions that don't seem out of place until later. their normal style is usually giving cryptic advice about the mistakes of the past. This event was blatant. This was a single child calling out our entire engineering staff as not qualified for their positions. And he was right. Every part of his designs are revolutionary. Mobile suit grade beam shields, advanced materials science, Multiple FUSION REACTORS! This puts orb so far ahead of the curve it's insane. We are going to be the top nation in the (solar system?) with this technology."
"He is insane. He assumed we had already developed most of this technology like it was common. He went out of his way to call the Izumo class as clearly carriers meant for mobile suits when the izumo predates their invention by years."

"Do you know who designed the izumo?"

"No, why would I know that exactly?"

"It was the Argyles. They had significant design input for the warship's deck layout and they left in a massive hanger that the rest of the team questioned, but they never explained what it was for. Our father was in charge of Morgenrote at the time, so he let it through. He told me this wisdom when he gave me the company: 'You don't go against what the Argyle family has to say. It's almost always correct. It's like that old adage about the flaga and the stock market. Don't bet against the Flaga.' At least that is how our father described it. "

"You're implying they knew mobile suits would be developed years in advance and hadn't made their own yet. That doesn't add up."

"They probably have, but haven't found the need to use them. Orb hasn't actually been in a conflict requiring their usage in almost a century. And they are presumably a recent idea around the invention of the izumo. They weren't needed yet, so we didn't know about them. They at least knew the concept was coming, or were planning some new mobile armor variant.
The child made both, so I can't tell what the original plan was. I want to assume the ball was the first plan, but he kept calling it a stopgap measure, acting as though it wasn't an effective weapon compared to the "other" designs."

"So do we have any indication of what they are?"

"He mentioned something called a Den'an Zon or something, and I can only guess it has beam shields. Beyond that we have no idea what it could be capable of. He mentioned other designs he was unwilling to create, but we have no idea what they are beyond being effectively war crimes. There was a sense of urgency in his tone when mentioning them. That scares me."

"Why?"

"Because they never show fear like that. It's always either calm or anger. Not fear. We shouldn't push on it for now. He knows more than we do about those designs."

"That doesn't discount insanity. He got lucky on the OS refinement and also had a design from his parents as a stopgap. Nothing proves he is the source of the technology. It doesn't explain how surprised he was at our lack of fusion and esoteric theories."

"It doesn't, but the Argyles have never been wrong before. They have to know something we don't, and that's why they just unveiled new weapons for us."

"But why now? We aren't at war, and they did nothing to help with the mobile suit development we were working on."

"It's only a matter of time until we go to war. We are making weapons for the alliance, that is more than enough to void our neutrality in the eyes of the PLANTS. As for why they never helped us, I never asked for their advice. It took the child inventing a new mobile armor for me to ask them about mobile suits."

"Didn't you tell me he called it a mobile pod?"

"Yes, he did. I don't know why, as it is clearly a mobile armor. It's nothing like that Worker Pod the Plants are using. That thing is a mistral with extra arms on it, and an inability to properly mount weapons. The ball is clearly a combat vehicle. It eliminates the tray for worker operations entirely, and keeps everything directly focused on combat. There are no similarities that aren't superficial between the two, but that's beside the point. I didn't go to the Argyles for the Astray series, and we kept everything in house. They probably knew about the project, but didn't care enough to intervene."
"So what are we going to do now?"

"I'm calling his parents."



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January 13th CE 71
"Welcome to the mobile suit engineering seminar." Said their lecturer, a kid. Someone who they only found out knew anything about their field two days ago. He clearly did know what he was talking about. The new viability of the Astrays saw to that. It proved he knew what was up, the Den'an which was the new model he designed was so far ahead of everything we knew that it was insane.

This lecture took a day to plan out. Apparently he needed time to figure out what was required for this lecture.

"We will be going over the basics first. You only have half of them, so this is required.

We'll start with Active Mass Balance Auto Control. This is the thing that was missing from your Operating system. What AMBAC does is automatically balance the mobile suit via conserving momentum. It is an effective method of minor maneuvering in space when used with thrusters. The problems you had with your mobility are due to the machine not adequately automating movement on both the ground and in space. This philosophy or reorientation without thruster usage is why you have limbs on these machines at all.

This is the main fundamental part of mobile suits you were missing when originally designing the Astray gundams."

The child was special, he made the mistakes an entire department had been making for nearly a year seem like such an obvious thing. The coding team knew the issue was in the mobility, but they never found what the issue was exactly.

"This is naturally one of the hardest parts of the mobile suit, so its not as though your struggle was caused by an idiotic mistake. The issue was one of the main limiting factors of early ground ms, they were clunky and slow due to an excess of data on space maneuvering, but limited ground mobility knowledge. I luckily have that knowledge, so this will no longer be an issue for us, but enough about the Astray. Let's look to the future."
Everything about him screamed that he was dumbing things down for us, that he knew so much more than he was letting on. From the midlife crisis flame jacket that made him seem older than he was, to the calm candor of his speech, and even just the way he presented himself, it all spoke to someone who knew what they were doing.

"The Astray has a few issues that are somewhat problematic, but not impossible to refit out like its cockpit. The cockpit is overcomplicated and would make learning the machine infinitely harder for pilots. All it needs is a fold out touchscreen and Hud on the monitor. There is no point to this big ass console of 88 buttons. Simplicity is beauty in its own right. The monitor layout also needs an overhaul. It's not a panoramic monitor which isn't great, but it also could better handle G forces in a linear seat set up. These refits have been done before when old RGM-79's were converted to the RGM-79R specifications which included cockpit swap outs on occasion. We can make them better."

He spoke of machines that we had never heard of. What was an RGM-79 and why was it upgraded? We didn't know, but it was a mere illustration of his talent for mobile suit development. He made so many designs that he made them outdated before even proposing them.

"The second main thing our next machine will need is a better armor material than Foam metal. Foam metal is not bad by any means, but it's not enough. Our machines still take damage from 76mm rifles. This is pathetic by my standards. Gundarium alloys are better defense wise and would result in a decrease in mass per cubic meter of armor. It's a flat improvement to what we are doing right now. It is also somewhat hard for us to mass produce, though we don't really have a large military anyway. We can spare the expense for increased pilot survivability. It's far harder to replace a trained pilot than a machine."

"The third major upgrade is replacing the battery with a reactor. I don't think it's required for me to explain why this is an upgrade we need. Massive improvement to operational time, more power for beam weapons, you can power a town if you feel like it by plugging the power grid into your suit. Just way more useful than anything else. Don't worry if you are in one. The thing won't blow up."

His knowledge was spread out among so many topics, from materials science to construction to the economics of these machines. He saw the totality of what was being made, and not just the small pieces that each person worked on themselves. The minor notes he made over the past few days were earth shattering in their implications, and he didn't notice at all. Like it was something small.

"We have to keep ourselves neutral, and we can't do that without a strong military. We live in a new era, one of mobile suits and beam weapons. One of fantastical power right before your fingertips just barely escaping you. People will feel it soon, I guarantee it. But thats beside the point. We may be ahead of everyone at this second, but we must go even further."

He spoke of reinventing the world. The very nature of warfare had begun to change, yet he wanted to change it again.

This is why we have introduced the orb rearmament plan. We need new machines to keep our current military powerful enough to protect ourselves. The first stage of this has been completed. The Ball is a support unit not meant for mainline combat. It currently is our mainline unit because we just got the kinks out of our first mobile suit. We need to reinvent our entire military for this new era of warfare. Look at ZAFT. They have multiple radical ideas like the BuCUE, a quadrupedal mobile suit, or the ZuOOT, a "transforming" tank mobile suit hybrid. That idea has been done better, but it shows how they innovate off the basic mobile suit concepts. They aren't going to stay like the GINN for long. They are already testing beam weapons. Sure they are unwieldy to the point of only being usable on stationary targets and ships, but it will get refined sooner rather than later.
We have to keep up with their development of machines. Which is where the second stage units come into play. The new refined Den'an Zon is the flagship of this series, but we are reinventing every part of our military including the astrays. We can improve on them. The hardpoints make this viable. We are planning amphibious units, aerial machines, artillery support. Everything we have will be either refitted or entirely replaced. We have a terrible military right now beyond the izumo, and the izumo is only usable in space. It can't fly in orbit. A travesty that is."

To call this new direction the child was proposing anything other than revolutionary is a falsehood.

"Beam shielding. It's in my mind something we can easily standardize. It was done on the original Den'an Zon and we are making a far better version of it. Let's see just how far we can take the concept. Current models leave the emitter exposed, so that will have to be corrected. I am unsure how to do that, but I'm 90% sure that is a feasible objective. Improvement in the defense of our machines and pilots is vital. Not getting hit is the best defense, but that doesn't mean you can't have a defense. Everything else is still being thought up, so I have no specifics to give yet, so start designing. Go insane, the only limit is whatever you want. Want to make a big ring for land transport? Go ahead, we need ideas right now. Fresh ideas, and not just remixes of old ones.

There is some other stuff we need to look into, but we need those of us with some very specific traits for this to work. I know of ways to test for it, so it can be added to like physicals and stuff. Its not as important as general refits and whatnot. We need time for that, but we can start on the rest now."
----Perks Obtained.
Aerospace Engineering Makes Things Go Fast (-100)(Free for Engineer) You have an intuitive grasp on the mechanics of wind-flow, material sciences, atmospheric drag, tensile strengths, rocketry, so on and so forth, and how it applies to the art of designing vehicles that traverse the sky and space.
A/n: that third POV was just a random morgenrote employee. Not a canon character. I did this because the reality of life is that nameless people matter, so I might as well show them.

 

[Darkchespin]

Yo, just saw this story and I wanted to ask what the CP accusation rules are?

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100cp per 1000 words, only counted if time has passed. Phase 0.5 has rolls due to time actually passing in an effective time skip. Note this story uses a modified CFv3 that includes an extra category labeled GUNDAM which includes any perk from a gundam jump. Yes, even build fighters. Sai could literally obtain an encyclopedic memory of Gundam canon for like 100 cp. It's probably not gonna ever roll, but it might.

 

[davelll]

oh lord give it 200 years there will be statures and a cult like mentality if not an actual cult with some ridiculous name when referring to Sai

 

[HellTeddy]

oh lord give it 200 years there will be statures and a cult like mentality if not an actual cult with some ridiculous name when referring to Sai

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All hail Sai, patron saint & Holy Pope of Battlemechs Mobile suits!

 

[Zerak]

100cp per 1000 words, only counted if time has passed. Phase 0.5 has rolls due to time actually passing in an effective time skip. Note this story uses a modified CFv3 that includes an extra category labeled GUNDAM which includes any perk from a gundam jump. Yes, even build fighters. Sai could literally obtain an encyclopedic memory of Gundam canon for like 100 cp. It's probably not gonna ever roll, but it might.

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Thanks for the info. Though if you don't mind me recommending something, I would recommend as the MC starts gaining more perks to dial it back a bit to make sure that the MC doesn't start to gain perks faster than they are able to use them so they fall to the wayside. Up to you though.

Another recommendation is don't use the resource perks that give you info structure that integrates itself into the world. That just makes things easier for the MC in a way that just solves his problems instead of giving him the tools to do so. So instead of working to secure a supply chain it just magically comes to be.

The same could be said about the companion perks, instead of seeking out people to become allies with they are just handed over thus removing the need to really secure a power base.

With resource and allies the MC just needs to attack people (might not even need to build shit himself. Anyway those are the things I have seen in other CF fic that ruin them. That and the Author using perks from worlds they aren't familiar with.

 

[a guy1013]

ok, just found the ao3 version, now i can see why this thread is a bit of ghost town, since the mc made orb like the strongest side if he can get his designs back home, but the problem is that both Zaft and EA are crazy, but mostly EA, since Zaft only has like one crazy guy, while EA has multiple leaders who are crazy, since they did blew up their own base with their soldiers inside still, but we have the crazy clone guy, who became traitor and gave important tech to the EA, i want to see the reaction of SAi to the mobius zero thing, and compare it to funnels(got the uc term right?)

 

[Darkchespin]

ok, just found the ao3 version, now i can see why this thread is a bit of ghost town, since the mc made orb like the strongest side if he can get his designs back home, but the problem is that both Zaft and EA are crazy, but mostly EA, since Zaft only has like one crazy guy, while EA has multiple leaders who are crazy, since they did blew up their own base with their soldiers inside still, but we have the crazy clone guy, who became traitor and gave important tech to the EA, i want to see the reaction of SAi to the mobius zero thing, and compare it to funnels(got the uc term right?)

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technically the Mobius Zero uses incoms. Funnels aren't connected to the machine directly. Incoms are connected by wires. The closest thing to funnels in CE is the dragoon system.

 

[a guy1013]

technically the Mobius Zero uses incoms. Funnels aren't connected to the machine directly. Incoms are connected by wires. The closest thing to funnels in CE is the dragoon system.

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Yes, I know that but the dragoons are not yet invented and the wires are there for recharging stuff and putting the pods back

 

[Limedalek]

Yes, I know that but the dragoons are not yet invented and the wires are there for recharging stuff and putting the pods back

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Sai would still compare them so Incom systems since that's the closest comparison to make. All funnel/Bit weapons in UC gundam are fully wireless and some even mount their own nuclear reactors so they can recharge without returning to the mobile suit or armor that deployed them.
One thing Sai might wonder is why the Gunbarrels the remote use weapons of the Zero ARE wire guided at all since as far as Sai can tell no one uses fusion reactors or a powerful ECM that could interfere with a conventional signal and the Gunbarrels only mount auto-cannons.

Edit-I checked the wiki the Gunbarrels are controlled AND powered via the wire just like an incom from UC

 

[Darkchespin]

A/N we return to Sai next chapter.
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January 25 CE 71
POV Murrue Ramius
Murrue had been having a rough week. The crew of the new ship, the Archangel, had finally been given orders. The top brass had decided the pilots of the G-Weapons would be assigned to the ship soonest, and they'd be here in less than a week. That had left the engineers scrambling to get the G-Weapons functional in the first place.

It wasn't going well.

For all the advancements made in manufacturing the machines, the operating system was actively crippling the chances the machines would ever see service. At least, it should have prevented the machines from being sent into combat, but the leadership hadn't cared about that problem. They never cared about the lives of the people fighting in the war. It was always about if it could take out the enemy.

Unfortunately, it wasn't her job to work on the OS, as she wasn't a software engineer. She was hardware, and the machine itself was capable of what Alliance Command wanted. She didn't have the skills to work on it if she tried, anyway.

Ever since the G Project had been started, the timetable for the pilots being brought to the Archangel had been repeatedly delayed as the G Weapons faced technical issue after technical issue. When her team was told they would be receiving help from Morgenrote, she thought all the issues would be solved. Morgenrote had some of the most advanced battery and computational technology in the known universe.

She had been right to some extent. They were a help, but even they had issues making a functional operating system for naturals. Progress had been made, but on the whole no solution was found. It had been like this for months.

Things had changed a few weeks ago when the Morgenrote workers just didn't show up for a couple days. They gave an excuse of routine job training when they returned, but something had changed with the staff. They were far more sure of this technology, and stopped being deferential to the Alliance scientists and engineers who had pioneered this technology.

This alone wouldn't have been that strange. There had been tension early in the joint project, but it had cooled as the teams had begun working together. The strange part was how almost everyone just stopped caring about what the Alliance group thought. There was this feeling that if the Morgenrote employees didn't play nice, Orb would suffer. Murrue hadn't tried to give this implication off when working together, but the Captain had more or less threatened the small nation if this project failed. Because of this miscommunication by her superior, they were less willing to speak out of turn, argue any point of contention, or sass her compatriots.

When the people assigned to her division returned, they relentlessly sassed her team. Before, the Morgenrote people were spending time learning how all their plans worked and saw her team as peers and teachers, but now it was like they were looking at pitiable children playing with sticks they thought were swords. This sudden change happened overnight. It had been a few weeks since then, and it still didn't make any sense to her.

That change alone wasn't that bad, but this was just the beginning of her problems. The following weeks hadn't gotten any better, as Morgenrote had been pulling back support from her team. It wasn't immediately noticeable, but the people they assigned were working on projects that weren't helping the operating system finally work. Instead, they kept testing things like the phase shift armor and mirage colloid systems and their controls instead of the glaring problem that kept the machines from being even remotely functional, citing pilot safety as the reasons they kept going over them.

"You're clearly never going to have mobility on these machines, so make them stealthy or tough. Sure, you lose what makes a mobile suit better than any other weapon, but it's at least a doable objective." they said.

"Yeah, these Gundams aren't even that good. We aren't going to see massive performance changes unless someone completely revises their cockpit layout. Seriously, they have a programing terminal inside the suit for some reason. Who even does that?"

What is a Gundam? She had heard the word thrown around a couple of times, and she wasn't sure what it meant. It may have been the acronym for the operating system the G weapons ran on, but she wasn't sure. The way these people talked about "Gundams" indicated there was something more to the word.

She didn't have an answer for the programming terminal though. There was no realistic situation where a natural pilot could reprogram the operating system during combat, and the pilots that had been chosen weren't coordinators. The Atlantic Federation didn't use coordinators.

"Beam weapons are the future of warfare, why do they even need this phase shift stuff anyway?"

Why did they think beams would proliferate so much? Did they not get that the G weapons would end the war before ZAFT had a chance to design a functional mobile suit sized beam weapon? And why were they just now complaining about the issues? They had just as many issues making things work as her people had.

"Batteries? So uncivilized."

Did these people live in their own world? The only way to power anything in this day and age was batteries. The N-Jammers had stopped any possibility that mobile suits could have reactors.

"Why are we even hosting these people anymore? It's a liability, and we have gained nothing from this partnership."

This conversation had never really come up before, but she knew that they had probably thought about it before. She understood the perspective of these people. They are part of a neutral nation, and as such shouldn't be involved in the war. However, She also understood that Orb was most likely taking the technology they worked on and making their own design. This was not part of the agreement on paper, but everyone understood that was what was happening. At least, that was the prevailing wisdom.

Had they independently developed a new mobile suit program? If so how did they fix all these issues in a couple days when her team had estimated it would take months to figure out all the kinks?

"They are supposed to be leaving soon anyway, no point in kicking them out now."

The leader of the Morgenrote employees finally spoke up.

"Guys, shut it. They're leaving after their pilots get here anyway. Stop insulting them until they leave here. It's not like we didn't make these mistakes when we were working on our own.
Just keep calm, and we never have to see these disgraces to the Gundam name again."

And why did they keep saying that the G weapons were a disgrace to the Gundam lineage?



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POV Rau Le Creusent

Rau was a man with goals. Terrible goals but they were goals.

He does, however, have to keep the war going. Without nukes, his plans for the destruction of the human race would take decades. Decades Rau did not have. He needed the war to escalate now .

His sources within the Atlantic Federation had found out the Alliance had started working on their own mobile suits. The revelation of these weapons would be the perfect impetus for ZAFT to push the offensive. The war had stalled due to the political machinations of Siegel Clyne. He wanted to wait out the Alliance by taking strategic points of trade to starve out the population. The fool thought that the Alliance would be forced to end this war. He thought starving those people was better than just killing them outright. Rau saw the chairman as a fool who was working against everything he had been working toward.

But that didn't matter now. The advancement of Alliance military equipment would move the PLANTS to the side of the War Hawks thus escalating the scale of the war. Especially if the rumors that they were carrying advanced offensive equipment were true. He only had confirmed from his source that they had an advanced power-based armor system, but he was certain they would be mounting stronger weapons than the GINN.

The Ginn isn't that great at doing big damage with its primary loadout, but if the G weapons prove to be dangerous enough, capturing or witnessing them in combat would break the deadlock in the council.

The G-Weapons being in Heliopolis posed no threat. Orb wasn't capable of a war right now. They had no mobile suits. They had no space superiority fighters. They didn't even have proper mobile armors. They had decent ships, but those ships are nowhere near Heliopolis. There was nothing the people of Heliopolis have which could possibly…

*Brrirring*

This feeling was like what Rau felt whenever he was near his fellow clones, or that pest Mu La Flaga, but stronger. Far stronger. It was like staring at the sun after only ever being near candles. "Was this another of the Flaga clones?" he wondered. "Could this be a group of us, or was this something new?" And if it was something new, was this some new weapon?

Rau knew there was something greater about himself. Something fundamentally different from the rest of mankind. Not even the Coordinators, the people touting themselves as the Master race, were as capable as he was. Rau was, contrary to popular belief, a Natural. He was a near perfect clone of a person who hated the coordinators, of course he wouldn't spring for coordinator changes if he hated them. His gene donor thought himself above the coordinators, and for all his faults, Rau agreed with him. Rau thought himself better in every conceivable way to the coordinators he commanded. He felt no difference between the Naturals he fought, and the Coordinators he served with.

He could feel people who were like him. It's how he found Rey Ze Burrel. The only non clone he had ever felt was Mu La Flaga and he felt distinctly different from the rest of the clones, but Rau had also never felt a group of his fellow clones either. Rau knew that Mu had a squad once which would suggest that whatever made them special was not just within the family, but he hadn't really felt anyone else during Endymion.

There was no telling what exactly was making him react this way, but he was sure of one thing.
Whatever was causing this feeling should either be obtained to help him destroy humanity, or it should be destroyed so it couldn't be used against him.
----Perks Obtained.
Everything (Elder Scrolls Online)
Before the development of the Arcane Enchanter in the 4th Era which streamlined enchanting to the point that any novice without even the barest hint of magicka could bind an enchantment, and even before the Guild-standardized enchanting techniques of the 3rd Era which drastically eased the process to a simple matter of shoving stored magicka into an item, the tool of choice for infusing an item with a magical effect was the humble Glyph. A Glyph is a combination of three runes, one inscribed with the potency which determines the base strength and whether it adds or removes, one with the desired attribute to effect such as health or a specific element , and a third designating its aspect, ranging from Common to Legendary. You know enough to be able to use and translate up to Rank Five runes(Pora, Denara, Hade and Idode) , with even more becoming available to you as you research and translate more.
Transmogrification (World of Warcraft)
Have a set of armor that you like? Yet you like another set of armor's stats? Well don't fret! Transmog machine is here! What is it? It looks like a giant washing machine, you can feed any two sets of armor(Head, Chest, Legs, Boots, & Gloves)and choose which one is spit out. The new armor will be the best of both worlds. It'll have the superior stats of the one item, and looks of the other. However the downside is that the other item is destroyed. However both items are in a database so you can always transmog the look. Don't bother taking it apart and trying to figure out how it works, because there's no answer. It just works.

 

[AverageMechaFan]

Nice to see this catching up to the ao3 thread.

 

[wahrifson]

Hooo i smell ORB will add Equatorial Alliance and create 3rd faction to ensure their neutrality

 

[Mitridates the Great]

I'm a bit surprised that the Morgenrotte team accepted Sai's ideas so quickly and, above all, that they are so inconspicuous.

I would have thought that if they are going to continue working with the Alliance again anyway (why would they?) they would at least be under strict orders NOT to reveal their new knowledge where no one in the Alliance can hear them and infer that they know something new.

Considering that the Earth Alliance is the Atlantic Federation, and the Atlantic Federation is Blue Cosmos for all practical purposes, it would be reasonable for Orb to be hesitant to put his new and improved knowledge in the hands of people who are screaming how much they want to kill all the Coordinators.

(It's not even necessary for the engineering team to particularly like Coordinators, just for them to think that there are Coordinators on Orb and therefore there is a risk that EA might decide to "cleanse the Earth of gene-spawn monsters" at any moment.)

EDIT: Expanding on the previous comment, I would say that the situation is framed as follows:

1) The Morgenrotte team has gained access to a new source of obviously superior designs and knowledge.

2) Not only that, but even though Sai explains himself in a terrible way, he has managed to convince them of the feasibility and superiority of these new designs.

but 3) Morgenrotte was also working with the Alliance on designing MS, which poses a double problem: keeping the Alliance team from finding out that Morgenrotte has access to superior designs, and at the same time not implying that somethinig weird is happening.

I assume the reason the Morgenrotte team returned to the joint facility with the EA team was because it was decided that their simply not returning would be highly suspicious. And it could lead EA to make a move to determine what exactly is going on. In this case, the normal thing to do would have been to get Morgenrotte's team together and stress to them the importance of keeping their mouths shut about their new knowledge.

But what we see here is that they can't keep their mouths shut and are constantly rubbing the Alliance team in the face "we know much more than you, your designs are rubbish next to what we can do".

Unless the author intends for the plot to follow this line of action and has EA's spy service intervene to investigate this, it seems like an extremely clumsy decision for what are supposed to be military engineers who should know the importance of not disclosing sensitive information.