Something annoying came up in a story and ima just be honest I need to vent.

[Mythantor]

According to the rules it is okay for a story to promote anything they want such as Neo Nazism and Racism as long as they threadmark it. But complaining about it in the comments is not?

Yeh I know I'm being unfair/stifling creativity whatever. But getting a warning for calling out racism pissed me off.

 

[coldpyr0]

According to the rules it is okay for a story to promote anything they want such as Neo Nazism and Racism as long as they threadmark it. But complaining about it in the comments is not?

Yeh I know I'm being unfair/stifling creativity whatever. But getting a warning for calling out racism pissed me off.

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I have to be honest here. Your problem was that you failed to separate the art from the artist. Are you also going to claim that every author who's written a rape scene is a rapist?

Just because it is in the story does not mean the author endorses it or actually thinks that way, so you ran a foul of the rules because you called the author racist because they accurately depicted racism...

 

[Mythantor]

I have to be honest here. Your problem was that you failed to separate the art from the artist. Are you also going to claim that every author who's written a rape scene is a rapist?

Just because it is in the story does not mean the author endorses it or actually thinks that way, so you ran a foul of the rules because you called the author racist because they accurately depicted racism...

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That's not equivalent to what I was talking about.

For your example no I would not say that just because an author wrote a rape scene an author was a rapist. However if an author wrote that all Africans are rapists I would be calling rascism.

When an author depicts a real life ethnic group in a story, in this case African refugees, and states that if they are accepted into a country they will inevitably cause the country to fall into anarchy because they cannot be trusted and that the only solution was to have them shot on sight.
Yes I would call it racist
If this was presented as the views of characters within the story, that's just characterisation and not a problem. But presenting it as objective fact.

 

[coldpyr0]

That's not equivalent to what I was talking about.

For your example no I would not say that just because an author wrote a rape scene an author was a rapist. However if an author wrote that all Africans are rapists I would be calling rascism.

When an author depicts a real life ethnic group in a story, in this case African refugees, and states that if they are accepted into a country they will inevitably cause the country to fall into anarchy because they cannot be trusted and that the only solution was to have them shot on sight.
Yes I would call it racist
If this was presented as the views of characters within the story, that's just characterisation and not a problem. But presenting it as objective fact.

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Again, fiction is not fact. If it is written in the story it is part of the story and does not automatically equal that the author believes what they have written. Racism is a fact of life that literally every culture and country deals with, whether they want to admit it or not, so writing racism into the story is an easy way for many authors to make it feel real. The fact that you fail to provide receipts makes people think you are blowing smoke about how this was phrased in the story, because from where I am standing I only see that you're calling the author racist because his main character said or thought something racist which is not how writing works. Again, with a different example, if the MC is white that doesn't mean the author is automatically white, you are making assumptions about the author based on a fictional story.

 

[Mythantor]

Again, fiction is not fact. If it is written in the story it is part of the story and does not automatically equal that the author believes what they have written. Racism is a fact of life that literally every culture and country deals with, whether they want to admit it or not, so writing racism into the story is an easy way for many authors to make it feel real. The fact that you fail to provide receipts makes people think you are blowing smoke about how this was phrased in the story, because from where I am standing I only see that you're calling the author racist because his main character said or thought something racist which is not how writing works. Again, with a different example, if the MC is white that doesn't mean the author is automatically white, you are making assumptions about the author based on a fictional story.

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The story is "Hogwarts Calling"
And the events I was referring to were not the main characters thoughts or feelings, but actual events in the context of the story in so far as it is written.
A primary premise of the story is that an event in Africa caused a mass exodus of refugees. Those countries that accepted the refugees were overthrown as their own populace turned on them due to crimes of the refugees. Only those countries that adopted a "shot on sight" order against the refugees remained stable. Implying it was not just a few "bad eggs" but the simple nature of the African refugees.
It is repeatedly stated that the refugees were violent and criminal committing many offences such as rape, setting themselves up as petty warlords. In numbers enough to collapse the entirety of Europe.
The underlying theme of this primary plotline of the story is that African refugees are violent criminals, and if allowed in will attempt to take control of your country. This line of thinking mirrors that of Alt Right and other racist groups present in many countries.

 

[coldpyr0]

The story is "Hogwarts Calling"
And the events I was referring to were not the main characters thoughts or feelings, but actual events in the context of the story in so far as it is written.
A primary premise of the story is that an event in Africa caused a mass exodus of refugees. Those countries that accepted the refugees were overthrown as their own populace turned on them due to crimes of the refugees. Only those countries that adopted a "shot on sight" order against the refugees remained stable. Implying it was not just a few "bad eggs" but the simple nature of the African refugees.
It is repeatedly stated that the refugees were violent and criminal committing many offences such as rape, setting themselves up as petty warlords. In numbers enough to collapse the entirety of Europe.
The underlying theme of this primary plotline of the story is that African refugees are violent criminals, and if allowed in will attempt to take control of your country. This line of thinking mirrors that of Alt Right and other racist groups present in many countries.

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I'm going to disengage here because you are involving modern politics and making comparisons. But for reference, the UK isn't a majority 'alt right' and even moderate leftists are upset with the amount of immigration. I suggest you read history papers and cultural studies, not get your political views from Twitter or Twitch because reality is very often centered on most issues you assume are extremist.

 

[Mythantor]

I'm going to disengage here because you are involving modern politics and making comparisons. But for reference, the UK isn't a majority 'alt right' and even moderate leftists are upset with the amount of immigration. I suggest you read history papers and cultural studies, not get your political views from Twitter or Twitch because reality is very often centered on most issues you assume are extremist.

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Wtf? Where did that come from. My point was this story was presenting the idea it was better to shoot refugees rather than let them after a major crisis. That those refugees would inevitably be violent criminals.

I'm not sure how you got from that to UK politics and general immigration policy.

 

[Soupervan]

Reminds me of one of the most frustrating bits of reading Light Novels; seems like about 1 in 20 of the ones from Chinese authors are highly racist against either the Japanese, white people, blacks or all three. I suggest you do what I do when it gets to be too much, just pick another story to read and move on. They almost certainly aren't just going to stop just from a comment and making an argument about it while righteous in theory, online where you can't tell if those that refute you are genuinely racist, trolls, or just plain assholes is going to end up with you needlessly angry without much likelihood of reducing racism either in the story or people's hearts.

Besides, commenting, especially a forum where each comment bumps the post to the front is sorta counterproductive to getting rid of a story you don't want to see, if everyone ignored it because it was too racist the author probably wouldn't keep writing it.

 

[Rin]

According to the rules it is okay for a story to promote anything they want such as Neo Nazism and Racism as long as they threadmark it. But complaining about it in the comments is not?

Yeh I know I'm being unfair/stifling creativity whatever. But getting a warning for calling out racism pissed me off.

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Correct. You *can* however write a story yourself that benefits from the same protections. I do enjoy a good wormfic that gets into the nitty-gritty of why the E88 are a bunch of morons, for example.

Other than that, I'd note that if an author genuinely shares the beliefs of their characters, they'll usually slip up outside of a threadmarked post at *some* point and eat a ban. Recent examples include Jordino and King Goon, both of whom wrote stories containing bigoted characters, and then got themselves banned for espousing or endorsing similar views.

As it turns out, bigots aren't all that smart.

 

[Mythantor]

Wow I hadn't noticed Jordino picked up a ban, I mean it was going to happen eventually but still.

 

[alethiophile]

As noted, we allow essentially any legal content in stories on QQ. Racist, sadist, misogynist, unhealthy BDSM relationship, whatever. (If nothing else, in addition to being vices these are all also kinks that some people want to read porn about.)

Discussion of a given story is usually on topic in that story's thread. However, it's important to avoid getting into an argument about RL topics that a story evokes; and also, if your feedback is just "writing that into your story is bad, you shouldn't have done that", you are usually better served by just finding a different story to read. Trying to fight with an author over what kind of story he should be writing is rarely a productive use of time.

While nothing in this thread has been a rule violation, we've had two other threads complaining about our moderation policies in approximately the same key recently, and they both exploded into dumpster fires. Thus, to spare staff the headache, this thread will be preemptively locked.