The Little Uchiha - A Naruto Quest

[Silver719]

I'll roll it.

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"You either do or do not, boy. There is no try."

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I'm only now realizing how scary Fugaku might be, if he's as intentionally unassuming as Yoda.

Edit: Awww yeeeee, Sharingan Bestigan.

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Edit: NOW WITH PLANZ

[x] Use your knowledge of Leaf Sticking to attempt climbing up

Because we have this chakra control for a reason.

[x] Plan: Shoring up Weaknesses
-[x] Taijutsu x1
-[x] Running x2
-[x] Chakra Control
-[x] ninjutsu x5
-[x] Genjutsu x6
-[x] Kunai throwing

We haven't done Kunai Throwing in a while. Taijutsu's pretty darn close to hitting novice already. Running gets just the two, because we'll have the chance to shore it up later. Chakra control needs a regular dose, though this time it's a bit on the modest side. Genjutsu and Ninjutsu are our two weakest points, so they get the lion's share between them to catch up.

 

[Epsilon]

I'll roll it.

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I'm only now realizing how scary Fugaku might be, if he's as intentionally unassuming as Yoda.

Edit: Awww yeeeee, Sharingan Bestigan.

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I've wanted to use that Yoda quote for a while. Hehe...

Nice roll. +14 to Taijutsu, bringing it up to Worthless (28/50)

 

[Pipeman]

[X] Use your knowledge of Leaf Sticking to attempt climbing up

Might as well try our hand at gaining this one early, though I'm not entirely convinced it'd have an easier DC than the yolo jump.
Then again, Control is a lot higher than running (and presumably jumping)

[X] Plan Be A Proper Cat
-[X] Taijutsu x5
-[X] Running x7
-[X] Chakra Control x4
-[X] Ninjutsu x2
-[X] Kunai throwing x2

So, basically, I feel like it's the wrong time to be "shoring up weaknesses" by spreading ourselves thin.
We need all of these out of Worthless territory sooner or later, but right now our major concern should be developing talents for the stuff we want to focus on, not giving our teachers things to criticize and getting at least some applicable skills for whatever shenanigans we get up to.

Another moderate boost to Chakra control is essential because finalizing that trait is kind of a milestone we want to aim at, so that's almost obligatory, the focus on Taijutsu is because it's both something I want to do and gains there (and a presumed boost to general fitness) are something we can immediately apply and Running not only has similar benefits, but being quick on our feet is, as far as I see it, also kind of a core feature and requirement for really going down the cat route.
The fact that those two probably work well together is just the icing on the cake.

In contrast Gen and Ninjutsu only really start offering benefits once you can actually use techniques and will probably be explicitly easier to figure out with even higher chakra control, so they can probably wait until we've nothing else urgently going on and in large enough jumps that we can immediately get to the techniques.
Outside of that I care for neither of them much and don't see them as nearly as high a priority for sending us down the cat route quickly, so that helps me with the decision.

There are still two EXP in Ninjutsu because Ninjutsu are both an important status symbol for Uchiha and we're only 4 points away from a rank-up, so investing a bit will likely pay social benefits (and at the very least avoid social drawbacks for neglect).
Genjutsu isn't something we're expected to bother with already, so that doesn't apply there.
Kunai throwing isn't something I care much about either, but it's par of what we're known for, so we can't entirely neglect it.

 

[Silver719]

[X] Use your knowledge of Leaf Sticking to attempt climbing up

Might as well try our hand at gaining this one early, though I'm not entirely convinced it'd have an easier DC than the yolo jump.
Then again, Control is a lot higher than running (and presumably jumping)

[X] Plan Be A Proper Cat
-[X] Taijutsu x5
-[X] Running x7
-[X] Chakra Control x4
-[X] Ninjutsu x2
-[X] Kunai throwing x2

In contrast Gen and Ninjutsu only really start offering benefits once you can actually use techniques and will probably be explicitly easier to figure out with even higher chakra control, so they can probably wait until we've nothing else urgently going on and in large enough jumps that we can immediately get to the techniques.
Outside of that I care for neither of them much and don't see them as nearly as high a priority for sending us down the cat route quickly, so that helps me with the decision.

There are still two EXP in Ninjutsu because Ninjutsu are both an important status symbol for Uchiha and we're only 4 points away from a rank-up, so investing a bit will likely pay social benefits (and at the very least avoid social drawbacks for neglect).
Genjutsu isn't something we're expected to bother with already, so that doesn't apply there.
Kunai throwing isn't something I care much about either, but it's par of what we're known for, so we can't entirely neglect it.

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How about this, then.

What sort of talents and skills do you think we'll have access to if we have amazing Chakra Control and above-average ninjutsu and genjutsu while we're still this young. Additionally, Genjutsu skill is likely to be very important in resisting genjutsu, and the risk of being kidnapped at such a young age *cough*Danzo*cough* isn't exactly small when we're showing this level of talent.

We also recently devoted most of last round of XP to training physical stats, so I'm more or less done with that. Besides it's six skills. I doubt we'd be stretching ourselves thin by any means. It'll be more of an issue when we actually have jutsu to learn.

 

[SoothingCoffee]

Additionally, Genjutsu skill is likely to be very important in resisting genjutsu, and the risk of being kidnapped at such a young age *cough*Danzo*cough* isn't exactly small when we're showing this level of talent.

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I don't think Danzo would risk kidnapping us. Perhaps if we didn't tell nee-chan or Fugaku about our eyes, but even then it still carries a rather large risk—because we're still a part of one of the prominent clans in the Village, and when an Uchiha child like us is suddenly missing, or found dead within the village, it would cause a gigantic uproar.

[X] Use your knowledge of Leaf Sticking to attempt climbing up

[X] Plan Be A Proper Cat
-[X] Taijutsu x5
-[X] Running x7
-[X] Chakra Control x4
-[X] Ninjutsu x2
-[X] Kunai throwing x2

 

[SoothingCoffee]

Pipeman, perhaps change the Running into x5, and place one each in either Kunai Throwing, Chakra, or Ninjutsu?

 

[Pipeman]

How about this, then.

What sort of talents and skills do you think we'll have access to if we have amazing Chakra Control and above-average ninjutsu and genjutsu while we're still this young. Additionally, Genjutsu skill is likely to be very important in resisting genjutsu, and the risk of being kidnapped at such a young age *cough*Danzo*cough* isn't exactly small when we're showing this level of talent.

We also recently devoted most of last round of XP to training physical stats, so I'm more or less done with that. Besides it's six skills. I doubt we'd be stretching ourselves thin by any means. It'll be more of an issue when we actually have jutsu to learn.

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For one, if we're going to be kidnapped anytime soon and people start using the sort of Genjutsu the Sharingan doesn't auto-defeat on us, we're kind of fucked no matter what.

Outside of that, I've been pretty explicit about the fact that I just don't care much about Ninjutsu or Genjutsu so the prospect of developing talents there doesn't intrigue me at all.
Now, this is obviously a matter of personal taste, what is not however is that there is no inherent value to "Shoring up Weaknesses", which means the advantages of your plan are in developing talents in Nin- and Genjutsu and therefor just as much a matter of spending a lot of resources where your interests lie.

 

[Silver719]

Outside of that, I've been pretty explicit about the fact that I just don't care much about Ninjutsu or Genjutsu so the prospect of developing talents there doesn't intrigue me at all.

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That's just, like, your opinion. Man.

what is not however is that there is no inherent value to "Shoring up Weaknesses"

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There are probably XP gain related talents to having a good grasp of everything early on.

 

[SoothingCoffee]

There are probably XP gain related talents to having a good grasp of theoretical knowledge early on.

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Do remember that we're still four .

 

[Nix's Warden]

[X] Use your knowledge of Leaf Sticking to attempt climbing up

Moar Chakra Control!

[x] Plan: Shoring up Weaknesses
-[x] Taijutsu x1
-[x] Running x2
-[x] Chakra Control
-[x] ninjutsu x5
-[x] Genjutsu x6
-[x] Kunai throwing

So glad we avoided that Shisui trouble. I also find it hilarious that we are choosing all these actions at random and we still somehow wind up with the best result possible. The Uchiha Genius is STRONK.

 

[dasstan]

[X] Use your knowledge of Leaf Sticking to attempt climbing up

Let's make that chakra control work for us! Independently develop the tree walking exercise!

[X] Plan Eyes of Mesmerism
-[X] Genjutsu - 6
-[X] Chakra Control - 5
-[X] Ninjutsu - 5
-[X] Running - 3
-[X] Kunai Throwing - 1

I'm intentionally excluding Taijustu from this since we can learn a new style by watching someone, so I figure that focusing on the physical conditioning aspect of running will help alleviate the problem of not having the necessary physical stats for when we do copy some bitching face punch-fu. Genjutsu gets the biggest commitment because genjutsu synergizes with the sharingan to a stupidly good degree.

 

[Pipeman]

Pipeman, perhaps change the Running into x5, and place one each in either Kunai Throwing, Chakra, or Ninjutsu?

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Unsure about taking two out of it.
The choice of allocating a larger number was pretty deliberate, because as I figure, mobility is a big part of the cat skillset and pretty low right now (6/50).

Moving more into Ninjutsu also seems a bit unnecesary, because two points in that gives us pretty good odds of hitting the next milestone and I kind of doubt going a bit above that has significant benefits.
Chakra has similar issues, largely because I figure that with four in it, we have a pretty good chance of being well within reach of aiming at the next milestone in the vote after this one.

Might consider moving one into Kunai though.

That's just, like, your opinion. Man.

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Well, yeah. It's my opinion.

There are probably XP gain related talents to having a good grasp of everything early on.

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Eh, maybe, but even if there are, which is far from guaranteed, I don't see much value in pursuing such a trait.
Unless the hypothetical trait is deliberately balanced in such a way as to greatly outvalue more specific talent traits (which is a bit much of an assumption), all it means is that you spend resources getting a trait that has a good chunk of its benefits tied up in boosting areas you don't care for.
Which is pretty inefficient when you actually know what you want and it's not the jack of all trades approach.

 

[Silver719]

Eh, maybe, but even if there are, which is far from guaranteed, I don't see much value in pursuing such a trait.

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The munchkin is weak with this one.

Also, why wouldn't the traits be balanced?

 

[Plotvitalnpc]

[] Use your knowledge of Leaf Sticking to attempt climbing up

[] Plan KFC Double Down
-[] Taijutsu x4
-[] Running x7
-[] Chakra Control x5
-[] Ninjutsu x2
-[] Kunai throwing x2

 

[Nix's Warden]

Uchiha Prodigy - Your growth as a ninja is terrifying. As a talented child of a clan of powerful ninja, you are expected to do great things. People, both good and bad, have their eye on you. +15 to any skill check; increased infamy, negative bonus to making friends your age.

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●Chakra Reserves - Small. You are a child, and your chakra reserves reflect that. Still, it will only grow with time and effort; neither of which you particularly lack.

Spoiler: Hierchy

Miniscule
Small
Noticeable
Medium
Noteworthy
Large
Exceptional
Massive
Monstrous
Tailless Tailed Beast

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So yeah The Uchiha Prodigy is REAL. Hopefully Adorable will balance that out abit, but I can't really regret it because that +15 is insane!

Also, considering how young we are, and by extension how flexible our Chakra Network is right now, we might want to focus on that. While we are a child it will be easier to workout our Chakra Network then it is when we are older and I want to ensure we don't wind up like Itachi and get stuck with a small chakra reserve.

Well small for our skill level I mean.

 

[dasstan]

Also, considering how young we are, and by extension how flexible our Chakra Network is right now, we might want to focus on that. While we are a child it will be easier to workout our Chakra Network then it is when we are older and I want to ensure we don't wind up like Itachi and get stuck with a small chakra reserve.

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He probably artificially expanded his reserves with all that single minded Grand Fireball practice.

Epsilon, does repeated chakra drain result in faster growth?

 

[Silver719]

So yeah The Uchiha Prodigy is REAL. Hopefully Adorable will balance that out abit, but I can't really regret it because that +15 is insane!

Also, considering how young we are, and by extension how flexible our Chakra Network is right now, we might want to focus on that. While we are a child it will be easier to workout our Chakra Network then it is when we are older and I want to ensure we don't wind up like Itachi and get stuck with a small chakra reserve.

Well small for our skill level I mean.

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YES! I knew there was a point to training chakra abilities I was forgetting.

Training ninjutsu and genjutsu gives us the opportunity to increase our chakra reserves, which is something that won't be available once we're older.

 

[Pipeman]

The munchkin is weak with this one.

Also, why wouldn't the traits be balanced?

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No, I'm saying the trait would have to be overpowered to be worth pursuing at all.

Assuming, hypothetically, there are four traits, all more or less equally hard to acquire:

Trait 1: Boost "The thing you want to do most" by 30%
Trait 2: Boost "The thing you want to do a bit" by 30%
Trait 3: Boost "The thing you don't want to do at all" by 30%
Trait 4: Boost "The thing you want to do most" by 10%, Boost "The thing you want to do a bit" by 10%, Boost "The thing you don't want to do at all" by 10%

You don't want Trait 4, because about a third of that trait is kind of pointless for what you want to do.
Arguably, you might even prefer Trait 2 over Trait 4.
And even if you already had Trait 1, odds are you'd be more happy finding the upgraded version of Trait 1 than trying to get Trait 4 for its 10% boost.

Hence why a Trait 4 actually worth considering needs to do things like giving more than the others in total.
And, when, like for me in this case, you don't really care about three of six fields of study, a jack of all trades trait would need to be obscenely overpowered to make up for wasting half of its effects on things I don't really want.

YES! I knew there was a point to training chakra abilities I was forgetting.

Training ninjutsu and genjutsu gives us the opportunity to increase our chakra reserves, which is something that won't be available once we're older.

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Emptying our reserves is what does that and neither does Genjutsu do anything for that, nor is Ninjutsu the only way to do that (especially not at our age where trying to tree walk probably does the trick), nor is an oversiszed chakra pool nearly as important if you don't intend to focus on Ninjutsu anyways.

 

[Nix's Warden]

You know I have to wonder what Obito will think about our massive skill level jump, assuming Minato doesn't find him/kill him/Talk-No-Jutsu him? I have no idea how he thought about us personally, but we held him as a role model and a older brother, so I assume he atleast someone shares the later sentiment. It would be interesting to see his thoughts about us getting training from Fugaku, being Itachi's future right-hand, awakening our eyes the earliest we've canonily seen and from his death no less, and just becoming this allround future badass after only a few months of training.

Would he be proud of us? Jealous? Shocked? I have no idea, but it would be one hell of a interlude if we could find out.

 

[Pipeman]

You know I have to wonder what Obito will think about our massive skill level jump, assuming Minato doesn't find him/kill him/Talk-No-Jutsu him? I have no idea how he thought about us personally, but we held him as a role model and a older brother, so I assume he atleast someone shares the later sentiment. It would be interesting to see his thoughts about us getting training from Fugaku, being Itachi's future right-hand, awakening our eyes the earliest we've canonily seen and from his death no less, and just becoming this allround future badass after only a few months of training.

Would he be proud of us? Jealous? Shocked? I have no idea, but it would be one hell of a interlude if we could find out.

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Post Mangekyo Obito is pretty deep into his nihilistic spiral and buys more or less entirely into Madara's party line.
We may be somewhat unique for him in that we're a positive relationship of his that didn't massively fail him or die at some point, but if the Rin events go as in canon (or even just similar to it) and we're not immediately there to drag him out of it, by the time we meet him he'll be firmly convinced that this world is fundamentally flawed, impossible to salvage and for the good of everyone needs to be replaced with a dream world.
By then he'll probably be cynical and detached enough that he'll just see the innocent little kid that turned into a pro-Uchiha child-soldier due to losing his cousin to the war and how that justifies his nihilistic worldview.

Basically, odds are he'll just refuse to engage with us as "Obito", because "Obito is dead".

 

[Epsilon]

He probably artificially expanded his reserves with all that single minded Grand Fireball practice.

Epsilon, does repeated chakra drain result in faster growth?

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Well yeah. The more you focus on ninjutsu/chakra usage the more you drain and tax on your reserves. That forces the growth. Ninjutsu specialists typically have large reserves due to this reason.

Genjutsu has its own perks. Stealth bonus stuff, hypnosis, etc etc creepy things lies on the genjutsu road. It also furthers Control somewhat, as genjutsu depends on that a bit.

If you focus on taijutsu and physical aspects, there won't be that chakra growth you get from ninjutsu. Rather, you'll get a passive skill or a trait that for example increases taijutsu damage directly, decreases physical damage, combat bonus etc etc

Whichever way you go there are measures to balance things out.

On other concerns, Sharingan nosells ordinary genjutsu. Someone can still catch you in one however if your eyes are turned off- you can break free if you turn on your eyes.

So yeah The Uchiha Prodigy is REAL. Hopefully Adorable will balance that out abit, but I can't really regret it because that +15 is insane!

Also, considering how young we are, and by extension how flexible our Chakra Network is right now, we might want to focus on that. While we are a child it will be easier to workout our Chakra Network then it is when we are older and I want to ensure we don't wind up like Itachi and get stuck with a small chakra reserve.

Well small for our skill level I mean.

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I'll hold Itachi here as a predominantly genjutsu build. His reserves weren't small per se- just not suited to throw around heavyweight stuff like Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi and Susanoo. Itachi had a deathwish I think; he clearly didn't care about dying via exhaustion.

On the Obito point, he'll go like "wtf wut happened when I waz gone??"

Hibiki was just a cute little kid when he left. A rather lazy one too.

Now he's a pint sized pro-Uchiha child-soldier.

Obito has no idea that he inspired you. He'll be curious if you two meet.

 

[Epsilon]

Post Mangekyo Obito is pretty deep into his nihilistic spiral and buys more or less entirely into Madara's party line.
We may be somewhat unique for him in that we're a positive relationship of his that didn't massively fail him or die at some point, but if the Rin events go as in canon (or even just similar to it) and we're not immediately there to drag him out of it, by the time we meet him he'll be firmly convinced that this world is fundamentally flawed, impossible to salvage and for the good of everyone needs to be replaced with a dream world.
By then he'll probably be cynical and detached enough that he'll just see the innocent little kid that turned into a pro-Uchiha child-soldier due to losing his cousin to the war and how that justifies his nihilistic worldview.

Basically, odds are he'll just refuse to engage with us as "Obito", because "Obito is dead".

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Pretty much this. You summed it up nicely.

On another note, the next update might be delayed a bit- I've got a trip to go on.

 

[Nix's Warden]

With that being said I really want to train our Ninjutsu up. Having large chakra reserves is a must if we are going to be part of the S Rank League. The only Kage+ Level fighter that doesn't have crazy chakra reserves I know of is Itachi and Minato, and both have bullshit Genjutsu or Space/Time Shenanigans to make up for it. So yeah. I really want to try and train that Genjutsu up. It might even help us further develop our eyes.

 

[Silver719]

So, Epsilon, what woulda happened if we'd chosen both Shisui and Fugaku?

 

[Pipeman]

With that being said I really want to train our Ninjutsu up. Having large chakra reserves is a must if we are going to be part of the S Rank League. The only Kage+ Level fighter that doesn't have crazy chakra reserves I know of is Itachi and Minato, and both have bullshit Genjutsu or Space/Time Shenanigans to make up for it. So yeah. I really want to try and train that Genjutsu up. It might even help us further develop our eyes.

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That's an incredibly strange way to say "The only Kage+ Level fighters that don't have crazy chakra reserves are literally all of them that don't focus on Ninjutsu" and pretty much ignores that noone ever bothered to make note of how much reserves 90% of the Kage+ Level fighters actually have, which means that, while they probably have more than most non-Kage level combatants on virtue of having more of literally everything than most non-Kage level fighters, there is no data supporting the assumption that all of them are chakra monsters that had to train their reserves almost exclusively from very young age.

Basically, you worry way, way too much about this.
We don't need obscene reserves to be a super powerful ninja. We need to become a super powerful ninja without dying in a ditch somewhere along the line.
And we also don't need to throw a whole chunk of our training into Ninjutsu right this very second or eternally suffer from underdeveloped chakra resreves. Not only are we only deciding the aloocation of a month or so during our fourth year of life, but the simple fact of the matter is also that, if you train Ninjutsu, your reserves are going to grow, and, if you don't train Ninjutsu, you don't really need larger reserves that urgently.
Things will balance themselves out, stop with the fear mongering.

I may not be voting for much Ninjutsu or any Genjutsu right now, but it's hardly like we'll never touch on these things if a vote similar to mine wins, especially since noone is dropping chakra control, which essentially means we'll always have an easy time getting into either of those anyways.

 

[Silver719]

But we get taijutsu boosts just be watching people who are better at Taijutsu. It doesn't NEED the kind of focus you're putting on it.

Noone is saying 'Ignore the Chakra Control.' I WANT to get the trait associated with having Trainee control pre-academy. What I'm saying is that having a combination of both huge chakra reserves AND huge chakra control WITH a smart mind driving it is the absolute scariest thing to face for any ninja ever.

 

[Nix's Warden]

Plus something that must be considered is Sage Mode. If we want Cat Sage Mode, then we need really good chakra reserves for us to be able to learn it.

Also Pipeman. Fear Mongering. Really? The fuck did you get that? I stated my thoughts on why we should train Ninjutsu. I did not fucking Fear Monger. I did not pull BS reasons out of my ass or actually try and persuade people to vote for Ninjutsu by spouting said ass pull to anyone who might listen.

I did not say we were doomed to tiny reserves forever if we didn't train it now, or that we would be crippled in the future we didn't practice it, or any of that bullshit.

So watch who your calling a Fear Monger.

 

[Silver719]

Plus something that must be considered is Sage Mode. If we want Cat Sage Mode, then we need really good chakra reserves for us to be able to learn it.

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Hey, that's right. We can't be Schrodinger if we don't have huge reserves.

From the Sage Mode wiki: Users of Sage Mode must possess "extreme chakra levels" to invoke senjutsu.

 

[Nix's Warden]

Hey, that's right. We can't be Schrodinger if we don't have huge reserves.

From the Sage Mode wiki: Users of Sage Mode must possess "extreme chakra levels" to invoke senjutsu.

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Yep. From a rough eyeballing I assume we need Exceptional levels of chakra at a minimum. Though we should definitively be able to use it with Massive+.

 

[Pipeman]

But we get taijutsu boosts just be watching people who are better at Taijutsu. It doesn't NEED the kind of focus you're putting on it.

Noone is saying 'Ignore the Chakra Control.' I WANT to get the trait associated with having Trainee control pre-academy. What I'm saying is that having a combination of both huge chakra reserves AND huge chakra control WITH a smart mind driving it is the absolute scariest thing to face for any ninja ever.

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No it's not, it's one single path we can, but don't have to, take that is objectively probably not any more intimidating than any other competently put together build supported by the same resources.

And, no, we can't "get taijutsu boosts just by watching people" just like we can't just learn a couple ninjutsu by watching people and call it a day or just keep the sharingan on all the times and train our reserves that way.
That sort of attitude is either utterly misinformed or completely disingenuous.

Our decisions right now are determining the characters strengths and preferences. Getting more of one thing means getting less of another and no matter what we do there are opportunity costs attached.
None of these decisions really lock us out of anything, because we're still very young and have a lot of talent in general to throw around, but there are approximately equal losses attached to all the decisions available.

Plus something that must be considered is Sage Mode. If we want Cat Sage Mode, then we need really good chakra reserves for us to be able to learn it.

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It also requires "bodies be strong enough to support the increased power" whatever the hell exactly that is supposed to mean.
Besides, we're not looking at a "Have gigantic chakra reserves? Yes/No" vote here. We're looking at what we want to train for the next month in our four-year-old life.
Probably a bit early to be considering the minmaxing strategy for sage mode, because that is literally years away at best and, unless we go with an extreme genjutsu focus like Itachi or try our hand at being Gai, odds are we'll have more than inconsiderable amounts of chakra by then anyways.

Also Pipeman. Fear Mongering. Really? The fuck did you get that? I stated my thoughts on why we should train Ninjutsu. I did not fucking Fear Monger. I did not pull BS reasons out of my ass or actually try and persuade people to vote for Ninjutsu by spouting said ass pull to anyone who might listen.

I did not say we were doomed to tiny reserves forever if we didn't train it now, or that we would be crippled in the future we didn't practice it, or any of that bullshit.

So watch who your calling a Fear Monger.

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Fair enough, but this:

Having large chakra reserves is a must if we are going to be part of the S Rank League.

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Is an incredibly generalizing and quite frankly inaccurate statement to throw around.