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I'm highly amused at the idea of an Inuzuka family such that the majority of its members go on random diatribes about the minutiae of dog-breeding and/or people-breeding within 5 minutes of meeting someone for the first time.Mio: "Fool. Our blood is somewhat distant, but you and I are both full blooded Uchiha. As such, it's best for us to breed with literally anyone else. This greatly expands the pool of half-Uchiha children that can then be used to develop a program to rejuvenate the bloodline while avoiding the potential detrimental effects of inbreeding."
Sasuke: "..."
Mio: "HAVE YOU NEVER READ A SINGLE TREATISE ON BREEDING SHOW-PONIES? OR SPOKEN WITH AN INUZUKA FOR SO MUCH AS FIVE MINUTES?"
Sasuke: "... On the plus side, you have convinced me that I don't really want to marry you."
Can we actually do that, though?5. confuse the nose and brains of the dogs and human:
5.1: switch the olfactory receptors of your 3 scents to some kind of bird feather, so birds smell like you, and you smell like birds (i'm assuming a switch is easier than disguising your real smell like something else completely different)
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8. When a dog or human comes near take advantage of the henge to change your real smell on their nose receptors from 'smells like feathers' to 'smells like a tree' so there is not a awkward contradiction. Their memories will still be telling they're searching for (real) feathers (i'm assuming this is harder because you're going to have to confuse their brain so they become equivalent, not a switch).
SCO, looks like you're trying to use techniques Mio does not have... so I'd advise you to make a more functional plan.Ah, they're not listed because I don't seem to have updated that in ages.
You've got those four jutsu from the library, the henge transformation jutsu that changes how you look, and the advantages that come with an active sharingan. Though you haven't worked out how to use eye-based hypnosis genjutsu or anything.
Because they're henge.Why is everyone thinking that visual illusions are any easier than olfactory ones? And besides, trying to fool a dog and a dog-hybrid without using smell is fated to failure, might as well run backwards blocking kunais and kicking puppies with the cheatangan while one of your minions keeps telling you 'one step to the right' 'jump over the log' and such, then body flicker the last stretch.
...Uh, yes you can?
If that's how you feel about the bullshit ninja do (including but not limited to: improbably ground-eating leaps, dashes, suspiciously conveniently placed shrubbery that seems to shift where it is on a per-scene basis to justify close quarters surprises, general bullshit speed and more) then I suggest you make an actually viable plan, vote for it, and see if you can get any other voters to agree with you.It at most gives you a second, good luck moving more than 10 meters a second from a standing start without being Gai.
If you're doing that, you might as well try to punch her on the head and hope she faints, it'd probably work better.
...Uh, yes you can?
Yes you absolutely can.
It's even a legitimate military tactic from that place we all live in, the real world; force an affected retreat and then hit the pursuers while they're moreso in 'pursue' mode than 'engage' mode. Been used since times antiquity in battles all over the world, even. Classic tactic, and all. It's viable for group stuff involving peeps that move way slower than ninja, so, y'know... it'd stand to reason it'd apply here, since speed is key in the implementation of such things.
...They're ninja dogs. Or, in other words, intelligent. Do you think a human would try and punch the flying shirt, or would they just get out of the way?Aha, then if you want a no nonsense jutsu 'approach' then:
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1. Tell your minions: 'DO WHAT I DO, NOW'
2. Remove shirt (cue double takes)
3. Throw shirt at one of the dogs, minions throw theirs at the other ones
4. cast extra-chakra Knot-tying Jutstus on shirts
5. (puppies are stupid are are probably trying to bite/smell the fabric, so they get a nice tourniquet around the neck/mouth)
6. Genin panics, you all engage her to prevent her helping the dogs.
7. You magnanimously offer to spare the dogs lives if the genin surrenders because she can't defeat us all before one dies since they can't attack and some are probably suffocating.
8. Keep your word, go secure her (drop it, on the floor, hands behind back, etc) with the sharingan and any wire she has (she should have ninja wire to 'capture') and let your blade specialist and the other one free the dogs, priority any with trouble breathing.
9. make her send the dogs ahead, but not too ahead, and keep guard with the sharingan and stroll to the checkpoint chin high like a boss.
She's going to hate you, but it might work.
Not my henge thing. Haven't seen anything I want to vote for.Eh, instincts, Dogs are preconditioned to bite. And they're not summons (aka, the nin-dogs), just very intelligent young puppies. I like this plan better. And hey, if it doesn't work you can do your henge thing (imo, i don't recommend it).
Firstly, how do you reason that knife/gun thing? We didn't get any indicator that Hana knows stuff besides Inuzuka tech (which explicitly require one's dog to be with them to do, and the entire plan is based around exploiting a moment where the dogs are away from her immediate side doing the chasing thing) and healing, neither of which would seem to classify as a gun to our ninjutsu knife.See, the problem is that you're attempting to sucker punch someone with a knife when they're holding a gun, not to mention they're already looking at you and ready to shoot.
Sure, you might get the surprise factor and all that, but they're going to kill YOU for doing that.
And you, I feel, are mistakenly treating ranks as being indicative of specific skills.You're basically under-estimating the gap between pre-genin and late-genin/early-chuunin.
At least in terms of what canon shows us, that's not remotely guaranteed true.If we take pre-genin as the the strongest child in the world, then what Hana is at would be the strongest adult with military training compared to us.
How do you know what Guy's looking for, from us?In THEORY, if we can get both of our lackeys to work with us, we can sacrifice one or both and still get out to the 'safe' area. But since we did not have any time to plan, we'd have to sacrifice with ourselves with you "sucker punch" ploy - which is counter-productive since Gai's not going to be looking for that kind of play.
You know it'd really behoove you to structure something intended as a vote... as a vote.Aha, then if you want a no nonsense jutsu 'approach' then:
edit:
1. Tell your minions: 'DO WHAT I DO, NOW'
2. Remove shirt with panache (cue double takes)
3. Throw shirt at one of the dogs, minions throw theirs at the other ones
4. cast extra-chakra Knot-tying Jutstus on shirts
5. (puppies are stupid are are probably trying to bite/smell the fabric, so they get a nice tourniquet around the neck/mouth)
6. Genin panics, you all engage her to prevent her helping the dogs.
7. You magnanimously offer to spare the dogs lives if the genin surrenders because she can't defeat us all before one dies since they can't attack and some are probably suffocating.
8. Keep your word, go secure her (drop it, on the floor, hands behind back, etc) with the sharingan and any wire she has (she should have ninja wire to 'capture') and let your blade specialist and the other one free the dogs, priority any with trouble breathing.
9. make her send the dogs ahead, but not too ahead, and keep guard with the sharingan and stroll to the checkpoint chin high like a boss.
She's going to hate you, but it might work.
That's a nice thought, but I don't think you thought it through - to wit, there is, I'd hope you agree, a considerable range from 'civilian' to 'pre-genin' in terms of possible physical performance.You're never going to convince me that near civilian levels of fighting prowess
Again - nice thought, but I question the logic.
How politely phrased and logical. Sarcasm aside, not only have I not come close to saying what you used as an example here, this is in fact the opposite of my point - my point being, recall:Your attempt is as self-defeating as trying to convince me that an average jonin is as strong as one of the Sannin.
The whole point of this comment was that rank isn't indicative of ability in the way you were insinuating, and that point is, in fact, perfectly alligned with 'it's laughable to think a generic jonin is the same as one of the jonin labelled the Sannin'.Or to rephrase; remember how absurdly much variance canon showed us in terms of what ninja of the same rank are capable of?
What little data we have on Hana does not really paint her as the threat you seem to make her out to be - she may be such, but in-character all we know is that she's a clan heir with three dogs and a penchent for healing and animal care.
Right, sure - but again; why would failure in an introductory training prompt matter?What's making me hesitate on voting is that, while voting for a plan that puts effort in doing something is great, a bad plan that attempts the impossible is not going to do anything other than fail.
You did a fair job of identifying potential things that'd prevent us from netting a win, but again; why does that matter in a nonlethal, training-oriented context under the watchful eyes of the guy least likely to care about success and the most likely to care about putting in effort?That's why I haven't voted for anything else. Not quite sure what we can do...
That's a nice thought, but I don't think you thought it through - to wit, there is, I'd hope you agree, a considerable range from 'civilian' to 'pre-genin' in terms of possible physical performance.
Again - nice thought, but I question the logic.
To wit; on what basis do you assume Hana's martial ability is in fact near the upper end of things for her rank and experience?
"The only Jounin who's really helpful just has to be..." the genin sighs to herself, then waves. "Yo. I'm Inuzuka Hana, and these are the Haimaru brothers. I'm a genin, and I'm training to pass the Chuunin examinations and open up a veterinary clinic."
No - her 'training to pass the chunin exam' is in the update, as you so helpfully underlined.
No - her 'training to pass the chunin exam' is in the update, as you so helpfully underlined.
That's not what you were previously claiming, or I was refuting.
That does not mean the same thing as 'could be expected to have the same combat skills/ninjutsu repertoire/leadership skill as the chuunin average', or anything like that.
Would you say all the people who went to the canon chuunin exams were equivalent - or even remotely comparable - in terms of any given attribute?
Sakura as good of a fighter as Sasuke or Neji, Naruto or Choji as good at chakra control as Hinata or Sakura, or any of that?
...I get the feeling you are reaaaaally not trying to read and interpret what I'm saying, rather than just trying to use it to prove a point.