Will of The Force (Star Wars / Worm)

[jahaad peterson]

Will of the Force is just more satisfying than Supergirl

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I think it's speaks really well to your ability as a writer that you realize what makes will of the force more enjoyable than super girl. I mean, at the end of the day, there's nothing that we want more then to be entertained And there's nothing more entertaining than a satisfying bad ass moment. I mean, yes, interspaced with all the other stuff that makes it good story, but the real meat of it needs to be those satisfying moments

 

[Dariusz]

Since Vader was able to humble 2 whole gods in his prime I don't think he's going to loose to a entity

 

[TheGuy]

I REALLY like my supergirl thing

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I REALLY like your sueprgirl thing too TBH when it comes to supergirl she's a really powerful being but in a world of really powerful being so I don't get the un-satisfaction in regards to the action, who cares if you win against a street level dude as a kryptonian fighting higher level dudes is much more satisfying, and as much as I like the fights there my favorite parts in that fic is everything between the fights.

 

[Necrovore]

Eh, I am always one for proper categorization of things so would suggest leaving it in the SFW section. Fics moving to the NSFW section even with no NSFW content just for more views is what causes the SFW section to get less attention and just lets it steamroll.

As for the Supergirl story...haven't read it, I'll give it a look. But in general, there are readers that do not want a good story, they are simply looking for a fix for a curbstomp wank. They want a godmode Naruto, Harry Potter, or some other over powered character to run roughshod over the setting and face no real threats to get that feeling of being unstoppable as they live vicariously through the character. If you just want to have some random fun with your writing, go for it and enjoy the ride. But if you actually want to get better as an author and write a good story...learn how to recognize those readers and ignore them, they are not giving constructive criticism they just want that next fix.

 

[Akuma-Heika]

EDIT: hey, do you guys think I should move this to the NSFW section? I didn't want to put it there because I don't think Smut really fits this fic and the Gore isn't enough to earn a NSFW tag.

Still, the NSFW section is just so much bigger, do you guys think I should change it?

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Personally know, because then you will be part of the problem aka part of the reason the SFW section is not active. I think it was a year ago, that like 10-20 fics/quests were made in SFW section, but nearly all comments were about moving them to the NSFW section, with little comments about the works themselves. Threads were moved, and then generally died. So annoying

 

[Prince awsome]

Personally know, because then you will be part of the problem aka part of the reason the SFW section is not active. I think it was a year ago, that like 10-20 fics/quests were made in SFW section, but nearly all comments were about moving them to the NSFW section, with little comments about the works themselves. Threads were moved, and then generally died. So annoying

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So you want him to single handedly carry the sfw section out of obscurity?
at the detriment of himself

i'm not trying to insult you here, but it's easy to have the moral high ground when you have no skin in the game

 

[Necrovore]

So you want him to single handedly carry the sfw section out of obscurity?
at the detriment of himself

i'm not trying to insult you here, but it's easy to have the moral high ground when you have no skin in the game

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It is hardly single handedly. There are a number that keep their SFW stories in the SFW section, the point is to encourage that to continue.

 

[JohnSmithMIB]

I just guessed that Vader was going to MK Fatality some more folk or at some point NSFW content would make its way into the story. Updating the notice in the first post or adding a tag to indicate lewds won't be a common thing could help avoid confusion.

 

[NutakuFan]

So, this chapter was supposed to come out yesterday, unfortunately, my house was without light for half a day and I couldn't use the computer. (had a storm)

I still had my phone, but that only has so much charge and I can't exactly write on it for long. I was also having some problems with the chapter, but I think it turned out well.
Next chapter was supposed to come tomorrow, but I'll probably finish it in two days.
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Also, I have FINALLY bought a new computer! It's been months since I'be been used a crappy notebook borrowed from my older brother.

It was a tiny thing, I couldn't open a youtube page to listen to music and write at the same time else it started having problems and was, somehow, still better than my old one. (I think my brother paid, like 100 dolars on it.)

On the one hand, The new PC should allow me to write more, use better programs and improve everything.

On the other hand, it's a new PC, I can now play games with it... (Well, in 5 days when it arrives)

Do you guys know how long it's been since I last played anything new that wasn't a mobile game? I think I sold my Xbox 7 years ago and, even then, my PC was old and couldn't play anything.
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Anyways, I hope you guys enjoy the chapter!
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Tattletale grinned as she watched Grue sit at the table with the big boys. Her eyes slid towards the boss and she squinted, relaxing the grip she had on her power for a few seconds.

Slight movement of hand, small shake of leg: wants to fidget, uncomfortable.
Change in timbre of voice, nearly imperceptible, affected confidence: Acting. Not real Coil, doppelganger.
Coil not present, Coil sent a doppelganger: Uncertain about the result of the meeting. Unwilling to attend. Expects violence, danger.​

That gave her pause. She had been expecting this to be a safe meeting, one held on neutral ground. Was Lung crazy enough to target them all at the same time?

Turning away, she cut off her power, the smirk disappearing from her face. Giving Skitter a nervous glance, she leaned back into the chair, moving it slightly towards the back exit, preparing to grab the girl and run.

She was a Thinker. Helping out a single one of her companions was all she could do and, really, Grue, Regent and Bitch could take care of themselves.

For a second, she caught Regent giving her a look, a single eyebrow raised in question.

Noticed her worry: Sensed her muscles tensing.​

Meeting his eyes, she just looked towards the exit she was aiming for and the cape gave her a lazy smile, a finger tapping against the table.

"… There's one more," she heard Trickster say, refocusing on the main table. "Another newcomer in the city."

She thought about releasing her power again, trying to find anything else from the main table, but she still had limits. Her use of her power was getting easier with every day, but it still gave her terrible headaches if she pushed it too much.

When the aforementioned cape arrived and it was like a wave of dread washed over the entire room, even the Merchants adjusted themselves into their seats. This new cape didn't walk into the room, he marched, a little girl at his side.

"Who the fuck are you?" Skidmark asked, trying to get into the man's face and being completely ignored.

Somehow, Tattletale was able to sense the man's eyes passing over her even through the mirrored lenses of the mask. She shivered. She had heard of the new Master Cape in the city, but she had imagined him to look more like Regent, not… this.

Stiff movements, robotic, decisive steps: military training, used to moving differently, still adjusting to current limbs.
Disinterest towards capes. Disregard, Disappointment: Doesn't consider anyone a threat, doesn't respect anyone in the room.
Large, well defined muscles, tall frame, precise control: Brute/Master power? No, training, better than Grue.​

"Be quiet. Don't make me waste my time."

His voice wasn't loud but it effectively boomed, filling the entire room with more authority than any of the previous capes, even Kaiser didn't have his presence. At her side, Skitter fully focused on the Cape.

Polaris sat at the main table, leaving the kid by Faultline's crew. Subconsciously, nobody dared even question his presence anymore, then Grue gathered himself and frowned, daring to ask about the new cape.

In her seat, Tattletale suddenly lost the tight grip she kept on her power, it almost seemed to come alive, desperately grasping for more information about the new cape.

Lack of body movement, body almost doesn't have tells, limbs don't move, anomalous breathing: unused to having limbs, unused to breathing.
Disinterested in the conversation, doesn't care about the city, unhappy with the status quo: ABB's actions personally offend him, doesn't like the chaos.
Lie, doesn't know about the rules, can guess, doesn't care: believes he doesn't have to care. Doesn't fear retaliation.
Doesn't fear the capes here, believes he can survive against all of them, believes he'd win a fight: Considering starting one.​

Snatching her control back, Tattletale put a hand on her head and turned away from the table. Fuck, was he insane? Did Coil know about this?

Damnit, what did she know about him? PRT had him pegged as a Master/Tinker with magnetic specialty. A grab bag then, with his Tinker power the strongest one. The fact he managed to destroy an entire street and kill 11 people before the police even got there meant he was a heavy hitter.

Still, Tinkers were supposed to need time, not just show up and be unafraid of a room filled with capes, capes with years of experience.

"So, that's your type, huh?" Regent said. "No wonder you're so close to Skitter."

"What?" Tattletale said, looking away from the cape.

"Hey, I'm not judging, he's fitter than Grue. Although I think he's a little old for you, no?"

She was gonna hit him, if he wasn't too far away she'd have done it too. Closing her eyes, Tattletale gathered herself, trying to refocus her power. "Shut up, I'm trying to keep us alive here."

"What?" Skitter asked, her eyes narrowing at her.

"The new cape, he's not exactly all there," she said. "Now, can you be quiet and let me concentrate?"

Turning back towards the discussion, she released her power once again, trying to direct it towards anything useful. It seemed to almost jump at the opportunity.

Not looking at the parts involved, reacted to what the kid did without looking: Doesn't need to see, has improved senses or a Thinker power, confirmed grab bag.
Not wearing power armor, single cylindrical device too small to be have too many functionalities, mask doesn't hold any tinkertech, didn't have enough time to build anything complicated: Not a Tinker? No, Tinker power is not the main one, considering the damage he's capable of, likely Shaker.
Name choice: Polaris, not chosen by him, doesn't care, wrong: Shaker power not related to magnetism, Telekinesis?​

Shit, that complicated things. It meant he didn't need any equipment to cause the same level of damage he did on 6th Street, and they were all happily sitting here inside his likely range. Was he even Manton limited or could he just… squeeze them all into paste right now?

Grabbing Skitter's cup, she took a large swig and wiped her forehead. For some reason, her power wasn't giving her a headache yet, but the tension was making her equally tired, her body constantly ready to make a run for it.

Doesn't care about cape name, doesn't care about the truce: unlikely to care about the unwritten rules.
Not interested in what's being discussed, Interested in how it's being discussed, dislikes the status quo: Considering starting a fight, considering if he should kill them all.
Doesn't value their lives, wouldn't be affected if he killed them all, considers himself evil, thinks killing everyone would be easy, fully desensitized to it: Has killed dozens before, so many the numbers lose meaning.
Too experienced, too confident: Not a new cape, has fought parahumans before, far stronger than everyone present.​

Fuck, fuck, fuck, what the hell? This was supposed to be an easy meeting! There wasn't supposed to be a Slaughterhouse candidate here, damn it!

Tattletale almost made a run for it, her body starting to get up from the chair before Regent made her leg twitch causing her to slip back into the chair, banging her arm against the table.

Giving him a glare, she saw his smirking face and small shake of the head.

Taking a second to calm down, Tattletale swallowed again, her leg starting to tap against the floor until she grabbed her knee and made it stop.

"Who controls the resulting territory?" Polaris asked. "When the ABB are gone, who will be left in control of the resulting unaligned Asian population?"

Tattletale whipped her head towards him, a hand grabbing Skitter's wrist and preparing to run. This was it, Polaris was deciding if he should start things or not.

Crap, had he just been buying time? Did his Shaker power require time to saturate an area before he could act?

For a few seconds, everything grew quiet, every cape present somehow knowing how important the answer was. Finally, it was Kaiser that broke the awkward silence.

"I take it you have a suggestion?"

For a second, Tattletale thought he'd do it, she didn't need her power to see the thought going through his head.

"This alliance is unnecessary; I will deal with the ABB myself. From tomorrow on, its territory will be beyond your grasp."

Word choice, 'your': Assumes they will be alive, decided not to kill them all.
Utter confidence, exasperation: Doesn't see Lung as a threat, frustrated with own decision, may change opinion.​

Tattletale almost collapsed, most of the tension leaving her body as she released a breath she had been holding. Holy shit, they'd just dodged a bullet. Not fully, but she doubted Polaris would change his decision that fast.

Yeah, she had no intention of being anywhere near him when that happened. It wasn't impossible that the guy was simply insane and would get killed before doing any damage, but it was VERY unlikely.

Somehow, she lost what was said for a few seconds, regaining her wits when Polaris started walking towards his companion. For a moment, she caught him looking at her.

Focused on you, noticed your attention, reading you, knows you're afraid: can sense emotions, doesn't care you're afraid, thinks you should be.​

Flinching, Tattletale avoided his eyes. Great, the mass murderer liked to sense her fear, just great! At least she'd have nothing to do with him after this. Worse, her power finally started giving her problems.

Really, she kinda liked her team —for all the trouble they caused her— but, if Coil didn't have a gun to her head, she'd be fleeing the city so fast Velocity wouldn't be able to catch up with her.

"What are the chances you'll remain safe on your own today?" Polaris asked the girl.

"Twelve point seven, seven, nine, two percent chance. Why?" the kid answered, triggering Tattletale's power again.

Answer too clear, complete confidence, exact numbers: Thinker power, Precog, extremely powerful.
Girl Kidnapped on April 14th, Bank Robbery executed on April 14th, bank Robbery didn't make sense, Precog powers interfere with each other: Distraction, true goal always the girl, Coil unlikely to give up.​

FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!

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An hour later, huddled against the wall in her house, Tattletale stared at her phone, letting it ring for a full minute. Finally, her hand flashed forward, she snatched the phone and answered.

"Tattletale, I have a…"

"No."

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Lisa woke up with a groan, her head still hurting and her heart beating hard on her chest. In desperation, her eyes flew everywhere and she only relaxed when she was sure she was still in her room.

Right, she wasn't dead… or kidnapped, right?…

Stretching, she took a few minutes to calm herself down, her furiously beating heart slowing with every breath. Finally, she looked at her phone on the floor.

She had thrown it at the wall after hanging up on Coil's face… turns out she wasn't strong enough to smash it entirely, not through the protective casing, only causing a small crack in the screen.

Huh, she only cared a little about that.

Walking out of the room, she massaged her temples and glared at Alec already playing his damn game. "Can you turn the volume down?"

"Nope."

"Little shit."

Shaking her head, she grabbed herself a cup of coffee and went back to her room, slamming the door and sitting on the bed, her knees to her chest, the cracked phone back in her hand.


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♦ Topic: Holy crap, WTF just happened?
In: Boards ► News ► Events ►America
SnowyBattleCat (Original Poster) (Cape Geek)
Posted on April 24th, 2011:
Holy crap, I mean, just… HOLY CRAP!

Last night, I was just hiding in my room, hoping the heroes would finally deal with this entire madness in the Bay and then I heard a roar, a very large roar.

Still, for the last few days, the Bay has been hit by our very own version of the Mad Bomber, now with exotic powers, so strange noises weren't exactly unexpected, but I couldn't help looking through the window… carefully.

I have to say, for a second there, I thought we were getting attacked by a fourth Endbringer.

You guys think I'm joking? Well, look at this! Wouldn't you think a forty foot tall dragon setting fire to half the city was an Endbringer?

I always asked myself why the Protectorate never dealt with Lung, I know he kicked their face in when he first arrived, but I thought it was because he caught them by surprise… Guess now I know better.

Still, I watched the giant dragon spew a wave of fire down in the city, heard it roar, lightning crack (and what's up with THAT, by the way?), and then nothing, nada, he just disappeared in the flames and never popped up again.

Can someone please tell me what happened? I'm desperate here. How the hell did they deal with the rampaging Rage Dragon without losing the city? Who the heck fought Lung until he got to that size? Did they win? Cuz I can't imagine the Dragon being able to deescalate that fast or escape without anyone seeing him.


EDIT: Right, I'm supposed to contribute something if I'm starting a thread, so here's the best I can do:

• April 11th: Armsmaster defeats Lung, (HOW!!!!?).

• April 12th ~ 15th?: Bakuda starts putting bombs inside people's heads. – Not sure about this one, people seem to think it was a desperate attempt to get her boss out, not something she had been planning with Lung but, well…

• April 15th: Explosion at Brockton Bay, supervillain Bakuda starts terrorizing the city. Oni Lee releases Lung. The bombs don't stop.

• April 22/23th: People have been saying there was a meeting between the Supervillains in the Bay, seems the ABB was making enough trouble to bother even them.

• April 24th: Lung turns into an actual freaking dragon, with multiple motherfucking wings… and arms. The guy was larger than a building, burns down part of the docks and just… disappears;

Help me out here people, anybody knows what exactly went down?

EDIT: Again, holy crap, it seems like Uber and Leet actually filmed the whole thing! Link here.


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► Karez
Replied on April 24th, 2011:
Let me get this straight. Someone actually killed Lung, like, right there in front of the Protectorate?

And they didn't arrest him? I mean, good riddance to the damn asshole, but this Polaris (we're not really calling him that are we?) did provoke the rage dragon, cause millions in damage, the deaths of who knows how many civilians caught in the crossfire, and then executed a parahumans in cold blood.

I thought the Protectorate was made to stop that kind of shit.

► ThatDude
Replied on April 24th, 2011:
And how do you propose they do that? The dude just killed a giant dragon, they're gonna have to call the triumvirate to deal with that level of power.

► Dr.Faustus (The Guy in the Know)
Replied on April 24th, 2011:
@ Karez. Well, they didn't arrest Lung, did they? What makes you think they're gonna risk facing the one who killed him?

Plus, they only had two capes there. From what I heard, they were throwing everything but the Wards at Bakuda when that fight went down, the rest of the capes standing by to block Lung and Oni Lee from coming to her rescue.

At least it seems like Armsmaster managed to arrest the bitch.

► XxVoid_CowboyxX
Replied on April 24th, 2011:
Shit, how did I miss this!

Also, did you guys really think Polaris worked alone? I bet they hired him to deal with Lung and that's why they aren't arresting him.

► Mugger
Replied on April 24th, 2011:
Two things:
1) The PRT classified Polaris as a Master/Tinker, a weak Master, sure, but still a human Master, they'd never work with him..
2) Doesn't fit with what we know of the Brockton Bay's PRT, they're always trying to keep the status quo over there. My bet is that they just wanted Bakuda out of the way so the Rage Dragon and the Nazis could go back to keeping each other in check, Lung dying was never their goal. Heck, I'd say Lung getting arrested was not the goal, at least not permanently.

► WanderingSamurai
Replied on April 24th, 2011:
Guys! Uber and Leet just updated their page, they actually filmed the fight start to finish with the snitch. LINK

Also, RIP snitch.

► Gy
Replied on April 24th, 2011:
… Alright, I completely understand why they wouldn't try to arrest the dude.

Like the OP said, WTF! That's such bullshit!

I just looked at the guy's page and, apparently, the PRT had him pegged as a Master 1, Tinker 4, yeah, nope.

Really, did anyone even hear of a magnetic Tinker like him before? Cuz, if not, I'm calling bullshit on that too, no way he could build such diverse equipment before debuting. My bet is that he's some kind of Shaker.

That shit is Triumvirate level, man.

► Bagrat (Veteran Member) (The Guy in the Know)
Replied on April 24th, 2011:
@ Gy: So, looking at the video, that sword of his was definitely tinkertech and Tinkers are bullshit, it is entirely possible to build something capable of everything else he showed, but I think you're right, he was far too versatile. Could be he was just rich enough to buy the gear before going out as a cape.

EDIT; Alright, I had a friend look at the situation in the Bay and, yeah, from what I heard, there really was a villain meeting. The villains wanted an alliance against the ABB because the bombings were drawing too much attention to the place and nobody wanted one of the Triumvirate making a visit.

Apparently, the guy walked in there, called them all incompetent to their faces, said he'd deal with Lung and claimed the ABB territory for himself.

I bet some people laughed at his face but, well, if I was them I'd be running from the city right now.

In summary, Lung's dead, Oni Lee's dead, Bakuda is with the PRT… the ABB is pretty much done but nobody knows what's gonna happen now, will anyone dare fight Polaris for the territory?

Also, I heard he had actually been fighting crime before killing Lung, using his master power to force goons into turning themselves in and disabling Bakuda's bombs while avoiding the PRT and Protectorate.

So, yeah, good luck with that.

As for the PRT and their capes, my guess was that they planned on taking Bakuda out of the equation before the villains had to get their hands dirty, not only because it would look bad for them if the villains were the ones to deal with it, but also because villains fighting each other is never a good thing for normal civilians.

Boston Games, anyone?

► Urze_Overseer
Replied on April 24th, 2011:
So, is he a Villain or an Independent? He did kill Lung and Oni Lee but, fuck, they both deserved to get kill orders anyway.

Did he take over the ABB or was he just trying to keep the gang violence from hurting the Asian community? I mean, without Lung, I really doubt the damn Nazis, Merchants and Coil are gonna care about what happens to the people just living in the territory while they fight for it.

► White Fairy (Veteran Member)
Replied on April 24th, 2011:
I'm gonna have to stop myself from saying more than I want but, are you guys insane? The guy is a murderer, he said so right in Miss Militia's face!

Also, didn't you guys read his page, he kidnapped a little girl, do I need to tell you the kind of things a human master can do to a little girl? Polaris isn't an independent hero, he isn't misunderstood and isn't trying to do the right thing.

No, he's just another criminal. You'll see, I bet he'll take over the ABB and this will just be a case of, The King is Dead, long live the King!

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Almost unable to help herself, she clicked the damn link, starting to watch the entire video. It seems like Coil had actually hired the duo to film everything because they were already filming things when Polaris arrived.

With distant, almost uncaring eyes, she watched as a monster fought with Lung, clearly doing its best to anger the dragon as much as it could before being destroyed right as Polaris arrived.

Then she watched the fight, her chest strangely empty. Yep, she had definitely made the right choice.

Plasma blade, heat contained by an energy field, inconsistent damage: Blade not optimized, at least 18 thousand degrees, extremely hard to use.
Reaction speed beyond human, strength beyond human, reacts before attacks happen, no hesitation to use lethal attacks, wounded when hit by Lung's tail: Experienced fighter, extensive training, combat Thinker power. Not a Brute/Mover, using power to affect own body. Not Manton limited.
Not moving as much as physique indicates, no signs of tension or fear, varying speeds of attack and reaction: Never felt any danger, not trying his best, taking it easy.
Power affects the entire street, power affects places he's unable to see, extreme fine control: can sense the entire street, can affect anything he senses, unknown upper limit, unknown lower limit.​

Great, at least she felt better not having to fight… that. Because she was pretty certain she knew who had made sure Lung was ramped up before their fight.

"Lisa! What the hell?" Brian burst into her room, his face filled with anger.

"What?"

"I thought we were over this, you don't make decisions for the team. I just got a message from our employer, he's cutting our money because of this."

"WHAT?" Alec said.

Lisa actually shrugged —she was beyond caring at this point— sending him the link to Polaris fight. "I thought it was better than being dead, sorry."

"Explain. Now."

She looked at her two companions, briefly wondering where Bitch was.

Lung's battle caused a lot of noise. Bakuda's bombs were extremely loud: Dogs likely to be scared.​

Well, that answered that question. "You remember the bank job? Well, I found out why he wanted us to pull it. He wanted to get his hands on the kid Polaris was dragging around. Yesterday's call was about helping him retake her."

Alec just snorted. "Right, because you care so much about a kid."

"I care about not facing Polaris," Lisa said. "He couldn't give a shit about the unwritten rules."

"Nobody gives a shit about the unwritten rules," Alec said. "We still fight against them."

"I care about the unwritten rules," Brian growled, leaning against a wall and crossing his arms. "We need them to function."

"Correction, weaklings care about the unwritten rules," Alec said. "The gangs care about not being caught breaking the unwritten rules… too badly at least."

"Well, I'm pretty sure Polaris is strong, and insane enough to not care about them at all," Lisa stretched her legs, finishing her coffee and putting the mug to the side. "Watch the video I just sent you."

Pulling out their phones, both boys started watching Leet's video without a word. Nearly twenty minutes later, Alec spoke. "Alright, I guess we can take a pay cut."

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♦ Topic: The Travelers VS Faultline's crew
In: Boards ► Places ► America ►Brockton Bay ► Teams
► Cesar66 (Original Poster) (Cape Geek)
Replied on April 25th, 2011:
Alright, people seem endlessly interested in what went down between Lung and Polaris but, really, yesterday was madness in the bay.

So, everyone knows about Lung VS Polaris, they also learned about Armsmaster VS Bakuda after the PRT announced her capture, but not many people are talking about the fight between The Travelers and Faultline that went down on the same day.

Yes people, we had not one, not two, but three major battles in the same day, shit was crazy.

For those who aren't aware, Faultline is a local mercenary that's… well, I guess she's a Rogue? The PRT probably doesn't think so since her team kinda beat Chevalier and Myrddin not too long ago.

Anyways, her team has two Monster capes and is a real powerhouse, with a motherfucking Shaker 12. Unfortunately, Labyrinth isn't exactly all there in the head, so she's never as scary as that number indicates, but that's still a huge number.

And in the opposite corner, The Travelers, another heavy hitter team.

From what I know, they're pretty true to their name, never settling down for long and were already scary strong before the fight, now, they're a nightmare. Apparently, one of their hidden members can clone capes and they got Circus to help out, throwing a dozen suicide clones at them.

Someone managed to snap a few pictures of the battlefield while it was going down here, here, here and here.

It seems like the battle turned around three blocks of the city into a maddening location, with buildings growing out of each other and cars flying around like bullets. Shit was crazy man.


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► AllSeeingEye (The Guy in the Know)
Replied on April 28st, 2011:
Yeah, no, if the Travelers were that strong they'd be getting an A rank threat at the least.

Yes, the PRT was able to bag the clones as if they were fully real, but they disappeared from the morgue in a day or two so their cloner seems more or less like Spree.

From what I understand, unlike Spree, he can clone other capes and they last much longer, but the limit seems to be lower. Also, reports say the clones are deformed and the powers are slightly wrong.

Circus is a grab bag independent villain in the Bay, his powers aren't exactly impressive to begin with, I really doubt they could clone someone too powerful.

► SnowyBattleCat (Cape Geek)
Replied on April 28st, 2011:
I agree, such powers usually have a lot of restrictions… if they were that powerful they'd have carved a little corner for themselves before now.

If I had to guess, the number and duration of the clones is proportional to the power of the original, so cloning anyone too powerful either wouldn't work or would create a single minion for a very short time.

► Aku-42
Replied on April 28st, 2011:
@ SnowyBattleCat Omg. That's not how powers work, are you stupid?

► WagTheDog
Replied on April 28st, 2011:
Wow, I did not know Faultline's crew was that strong. How the hell did nobody interfere in their fight, it couldn't have happened so fast nobody managed to get there in time.

► Cesar66 (Original Poster) (Cape Geek)
Replied on April 28th, 2011:
@ WagTheDog you understand the Protectorate was busy with Bakuda AND Lung right, after a week of dealing with bombings, they didn't have enough to cover three major events at roughly the same time.

Also, I bet there were PRT and police close by, but they weren't about to get between the Capes without Protectorate support. You just don't engage a Shaker 12 after she has had time to use her power in an area.

► Lupu5
Replied on April 28st, 2011:
Bullshit, with how corrupt they are, I bet the PRT was brought by the same guy who hired the Travelers.

Come on guys, both teams are mercenaries, this was never about themselves, they were hired to fight each other.

► AllSeeingEye (The Guy in the Know)
Replied on April 28st, 2011:
@ Lupu5 Are you really sure you want to be taking things XxVoid_CowboyxX said as true?

I don't want to seem mean here but, are you REALLY sure? That xVoid_CowboyxX?

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♦ Topic: Susanoo
In: Boards ► Places ► America ►Brockton Bay Discussion (Public Board)
Josh (Original Poster) (Cape Geek)
Posted on April 28th, 2011:
The new mysterious Overlord of the Bay, let's talk about him.

PRT initially classified him as a Master: 1 / Tinker 4, but we all agree that's bullshit. What remains to be seen is whether he's a more powerful Tinker or a grab bag rich enough to buy his equipment.

EDIT: Alright, I had a friend go over the video again, you guys can find it here and, yes, the guy showed far too much for a simple Tinker.

So, doing a deeper search, he's definitely a Master, several goons have been turning themselves to the police, and he used his power against Miss Militia before, but that seems really weak compared to everything else he's shown.

Obviously, he has some control over the environment, the PRT seemed to think he did it through magnetism, but my friend said it was closer to telekinesis, he has too much control over it to be anything else.

What may not have been obvious is that he seems to have a combat Thinker power too. Several times, he seems to react to things before they happen or move too perfectly to counter Lung or Oni Lee, he also moves faster than a normal human, so you may want to put Brute/Mover there too.

Really, he seems like an entire team of heroes, it's such bullshit.


Edit: Apparently, nobody but the PRT liked Polaris… even if the guy himself doesn't seem to care one way or the other.

Anyways, after proving that he's serious about protecting the Asian population from the gangs by crushing Squealer's newest creation and launching the killdozer into the bay, (Nobody died this time, Squealer wasn't inside) the people started calling him Susanoo.

Usually, PHO tends to frown on mythical cape names, but slaying a dragon with a plasma sword, controlling the wind to extinguish its fire and calling on lightning seems to be enough to earn him the Storm Deity's name.


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► Lost Entry
Replied on April 30th, 2011:
Look, I'm not saying he's a hero… but he did force the worst of the ABB to turn themselves in or else...

I think he's gonna act more like Marquis and, after years of being stuck between slavers, drug addicts and literal Nazis, I say that's a good change.

► LunarFox (Kyushu Survivor)
Replied on April 30th, 2011:
You guys do know Susanoo doesn't actually control the ABB, right? It's more like, he suffers their existence… to a point.

Really, I knew someone who was there when he walked into the place, told everyone the things he wouldn't tolerate and ordered them to deal with the worst offenders. He didn't ask for anything in return, didn't give any orders, but his posture said everything.

He basically said: This is what's gonna happen, make it so because, if I have to do it, nobody is gonna be happy.

After what he did at that brothel, NOBODY wants to test him, so the ABB is being really careful with what they do.

► THE Bovine!
Replied on April 30th, 2011:
I wouldn't want to test him either.

► Winged_One
Replied on April 30th, 2011:
@ LunarFox "I know someone…" Riiiiight, let's pretend we all believe that.

You sure it wasn't you?

► BeerConnoisseur
Replied on April 30th, 2011:
Disregarding the ABB chill, how exactly is that gang still a thing and, if Susanoo is taking over, did he find that damn 'farm' of theirs?

► Bacon_Salad (Veteran Poster)
Replied on April 30th, 2011:
@BeerConnoisseur First, there isn't a 'farm'. There never was a 'farm'. Mostly because they never needed one, even if some stupid guys liked to think there was.

The ABB, like most other gangs, forces girls into becoming prostitutes, but they never needed a place to train them, they just put them to work on streets or brothels and had a pimp watch over them.

Really, there's some people who'd even argue the girls weren't slaves, they got to keep some of the money and go home after all. But, since they couldn't exactly walk away from the 'job'…

As for how it's still alive? Well, I think that's because Lung had been in power for so long the Gang just got used to 1-man enforced ground rules. It's not like there aren't other, non-parahuman gangs in the city and, with Susanoo keeping everyone else away, they don't need to worry about Capes fighting them.

Lung was never really that involved in the gang's day to day anyway, it's more or less business as usual.

If you don't cross the new Overlord, that is.

Hopefully, they remember that not all Asians are the same soon and break down into smaller gangs.


► Procto the Unfortunate Tinker (Not a Tinker)
Replied on April 30th, 2011:
Is Susanoo acting as a regulator then? Keeping the violence to a minimum and protecting the little guy?

Cuz that's pretty good in my books, not every Asian was a member of the ABB, despite what Bakuda seemed to think.

► AllSeeingEye (The Guy in the Know)
Replied on April 30th, 2011:
Can we all go back to how you guys are trying to defend a known Master and kidnapper?

Come on guys, he's a murderer who kidnapped a little girl and is probably mastering her right now. Also, he probably killed 11 people when he took her, that thing on 6th Street was him.

► XxVoid_CowboyxX
Replied on April 30th, 2011:
Right, I know you guys already think I'm crazy, but did anyone really look at his powers?

Look, I'm just saying, the guy is a Master, there's no discussion there, but he's also an extremely powerful Telekinetic Shaker, an extremely powerful Tinker and also a combat Precog, able to fight as if he knows what everyone else is gonna do…

Anyone else drawing some uncomfortable parallels with the Simurgh?

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Pulling her eyes away from the computer, Lisa sighed and massaged the bags under her eyes. Damn, she knew she was supposed to be directing public opinion towards hating him, but she really, REALLY didn't want to.

She was pretty sure he didn't really mind, but she was equally sure he'd know it was her in a second if he cared to look.

Then she read Void Cowboy's last message again and sighed. Yeah, she could draw the same parallels, even more worrying when she knew he wasn't used to walking or even breathing, that his body didn't fit his fighting style and how many people he had killed.

Enough to not care anymore… or maybe he never did.

The worst was the way he affected her power. Yes, she could read him, but never as well as anyone else and her power was strangely fascinated by him, becoming much harder to hold back whenever she watched his videos.

The entire idea would be terrifying if it wasn't so ridiculous… and it was ridiculous, stupid.

Lowering her computer screen, she shook her head, stupid.

Unfortunately, Susanoo hadn't immediately hunted down and killed Coil like she had been hoping, but at least Coil hadn't killed her, or stuck her in a dark room to use her as a magic eight ball.

Instead, he had made her an offer she couldn't refuse.

Grabbing the medication at the side of her bed, she stuffed two of the pills into her mouth and swallowed, her head nearly exploding.

Coil had been burning a lot of his influence to cover his steps. People suspected the Travelers had been hired by someone, but nobody really knew who and, for some reason, Faultline hadn't said anything about it.

Lisa was pretty sure Susanoo simply didn't care to make things clear or point any fingers.

The Travelers themselves were on everyone's shit list for breaking the truce, but they also were keeping their heads down and, with the level of power they proved themselves capable of, nobody was eager to attack them.

If they were trying to grab territory, that would be another thing, but as things stood, people would still attack them if they popped up, but nobody would go searching for them.

Grabbing the coffee pot, she growled when she saw it was empty. With a sigh, she scratched her eyes, lifted the computer and went back to work, searching for new information on Susanoo, running disinformation and, all in all, acting like that bastard's little slave Thinker.

Fucking Coil.



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That's not 660 words, why was the notification wrong?
Anyways, great chapter, wish to see some reactions from miss militia about Anakin, and I wonder if Lisa's power being fascinated by him would translate to Lisa being fascinated by him...*wink wink, nudge nudge*

 

[Akuma-Heika]

So you want him to single handedly carry the sfw section out of obscurity?
at the detriment of himself

i'm not trying to insult you here, but it's easy to have the moral high ground when you have no skin in the game

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It is hardly single handedly. There are a number that keep their SFW stories in the SFW section, the point is to encourage that to continue.

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Pretty much this. To expand, being peer pressured by others to move his work to NSFW, because everyone else was peer pressured into moving their stuff isn't a solid reason either. It wouldn't be an obscure forum, if people actually used it properly. My favorite work on QQ is on the SFW section (and why I watch it, to be alerted to things posted on the CW and Quest sections because I know good shit can exist on them [the fic was God Harem King by Alexander, and has been dead for years, along with the SV spinoff Green Sun Black Shadows ]).

If a problem exists, continuing the circumstances creating it doesn't fix it.

 

[CapCaverna]

I mean, really, I started my supergirl fic here, as well as Dungeon delving and, later Will if the Force.

I haven't updated DD in about two months and I moved Supergirl to the NSFW section cuz I wanted to write a few smut chapter (also, some people thought it deserved NSFW for the start and some of the fights, but it was mostly because of the few Smut chapters)


Now, I do want to support the SFW section and I do find it very strange that a LOT of SFW FICS are in the NSFW section, but I also REALLY want my fic to grow.

I want more people to read my fic, I want more people to enjoy what I write, I want more feedback to help me improve, I want more people to give me ideas and, yes, I want more possible patrons.


Really, all of those reasons are very important to me.


The thing is, once I wrote a smut chapter for supergirl and asked the mods to change it to the NSFW section, I saw a noticiable growth in comments, number of likes and feedback, not much growth on Patreon, but it was still a considerable increase in the amount of readers.

It's not really peer pressure, but I wonder if I'm loosing interesting feedback, interesting ideas by being on the SFW section.

Well, as one of the earlier comments said, they even wondered how they found this fic because they DON'T check the sfw section.

EDIT: heck, lately even I don't check the SFW section when searching for something to read

 

[Necrovore]

I mean, really, I started my supergirl fic here, as well as Dungeon delving and, later Will if the Force.

I haven't updated DD in about two months and I moved Supergirl to the NSFW section cuz I wanted to write a few smut chapter (also, some people thought it deserved NSFW for the start and some of the fights, but it was mostly because of the few Smut chapters)


Now, I do want to support the SFW section and I do find it very strange that a LOT of SFW FICS are in the NSFW section, but I also REALLY want my fic to grow.

I want more people to read my fic, I want more people to enjoy what I write, I want more feedback to help me improve, I want more people to give me ideas and, yes, I want more possible patrons.


Really, all of those reasons are very important to me.


The thing is, once I wrote a smut chapter for supergirl and asked the mods to change it to the NSFW section, I saw a noticiable growth in comments, number of likes and feedback, not much growth on Patreon, but it was still a considerable increase in the amount of readers.

It's not really peer pressure, but I wonder if I'm loosing interesting feedback, interesting ideas by being on the SFW section.

Well, as one of the earlier comments said, they even wondered how they found this fic because they DON'T check the sfw section.

EDIT: heck, lately even I don't check the SFW section when searching for something to read

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Well, to counter that I usually only check the SFW section and only found this story because it was there.

Reading through your Supergirl story now, and checking some of the comments between chapters as I go and that extra commentary seems to be split between asking why the fic isn't a curbstomp yet and when are you finally going to get to the smut because it is in the NSFW section. Neither of which I consider ringing endorsements of intentionally moving to the wrong section to get more constructive criticism...

 

[The_Bajar]

What might be an option is to create an NSFW outtake thread or so?

 

[CapCaverna]

Alright, this is a pretty huge announcement!

Well, in this case, I'm altering the entire fic, the modification is simultaneously huge and... not since it won't really affect the direction of the fic.

I haven't gone back over the chapters yet, (it'll take me a few days to do so), but new chapters will be posted WITH the change and I feel it doesn't affect much of what happened or the direction Anakin took, just some of his musings.

So, what am I changing? The Force.

In short, I started this fic with the Dualist interpretation of the Force that Extended universe/Legends and now Disney canon seem to adopt, taking into consideration the common Taoistic interpretation of the Dark/Light side of the Force where they're more like In and Yang, two halfs of a whole.

From now on, I'll be changing it to Lucas canon, which is basically the first six movies. So, there's no Light side of the Force, only the Force and a corruption of it (Dark Side).

Anakin no longer fears the Dark Side, but he's aware that every use of it has a great cost and he's trying to stop, (He's not very good at it)

For a longer explanations: I really hope you guys read this, it's a serious explanation of a pretty important thing for this fic, The Force.

EDIT: Mistakes were pointed out, I updated the notice, but it doesn't change the intention.

Spoiler: Explanation

Alright, this is a pretty huge change and I haven't updated the chapters with it yet, but new chapters will be posted WITH the changes.

I'll probably make all the necessary corrections in two or three days and, if you guys want, you may re-read it, but I feel there's no real need. Yeah, the change is important, but it doesn't change the direction of the fic or Anakin's actions, only some of his musings.

So, what did I change and why?

For those who don't know, there's a pretty HUGE change in SW canon.

SW canon has always been divided, with the Movies standing by themselves (Later, Clone Wars, but that was a change), then the extended universe, where crazy things happened, many epic stories were told and, unfortunately, some very bad stories were also told.

So, it's basically: Lucas canon - Extended universe/Legends - Disney Canon.

Lucas canon was always the movies and the extended universe were the comics, which was kinda it's own thing, but Lucas seemed to keep an eye on them so they didn't become too crazy.

EDIT: As has been pointed out, the clone wars series was actually Lucas Canon and, in it, Lucas finally spoke of the Force as having a Light and Dark side, but that was a new development and those sides were NEVER complimentary.

The light side was still the Force, found in every living thing while the Dark Side was still inherently corruptive and unnecessary.

LUCAS CANON doesn't accept the Yin / Yang interpretation. The Dark Side is a corruption. LUCAS TALKING ABOUT IT (4mim):


Later, Disney canon was born, which includes the sequels, (which are CRAP! in my opinion), but also things like several good SW comics and, surprisingly, things like Clone wars. So, what is this change? It's the Force.

Now, forgive me if you already know this but, in Lucas canon, there was no Light side of the Force, (Later, he accepted it in the Clone Wars, but not the Yin & Yang interpretation) there was only the Force and the Dark Side. In fact, Luke Skywalker once mentioned bringing Anakin to the good side, but never in any of Lucas movies was the term Light Side used, or bringing to the light, or anything light related.

The Light Side was born on the extended universe and then made the jump to Lucas Canon with Clone Wars and Disney canon. With the Dark Side STILL being a corruption, that never changed.

For Lucas, the Dark Side is a corruption, a cancer, it has no place in the universe, a perversion of the Force that simply shouldn't exist and only brought destruction. It was adictive, like a drug.

What happened was that, with time, people saw the Dark Side and The Force and thought, well, there's a Dark Side, obviously there should be a Light Side, they also considered things like Taoism, the jedi teachings of selflessness against selfishness and all that.

So, the Light Side was born, with it being the good side, teaching selflessness, love to all people, the importance of life. With the Dark Side being selfshness, actions driven by emotions, hate.

With all the talk of bringing balance to the Force, many fans come to some logical conclusions: What is a balanced life? One with the right amount of selfshness and selflessness. A lot of people came to believe that the Jedi's failure in the prequels was that they leaned too much on the Light Side, abandoning their emotions.

From everything I have read and Lucas has said, that was never the case, the Jedi didn't lean too much to the Light side because, when Lucas made the movie, it didn't exist. Later, he did talk about the Light Side, but not as a complimentary to the Dark Side, the later was NEVER needed, it was always a corruption. No, the Jedi's failure came from them NOT following the teachings of the Force, instead of following it to the extreme and "Falling out of Balance" as many people believe.

There's also a comon belief in Grey Jedi using both sides, but, for Lucas, that's not really the case, one can't use the Dark Side together with The Force, the Dark is evil, like an addictive drug, there is NO balance in the Dark Side.

When I started writing this, I was using a lot of the Vader comics, as well as some Legends things so, I started by using the common belief of the Force as two sides, with my base in Taoism. I started with the intent on making the Force Yin and Yang, dark and Light, both sides that complimented each other.

After 14 chapters and a lot of thought, I think further chapters would be better if I changed it to the Lucas canon original interpretation:
There's the Force/Light Side and the Dark Side, with the Dark Side giving a boost in strenght, but also being akin to a drug, a corruption that brings no benefits beside immediate power. A shortcut that wounds the soul.

Anakin, after so long immersed in the Dark Side, no longer fears this corruption, he believes he must accept his actions, not flee from them and that, if necessary, he can bear the use of the Dark Side again without falling. But he is still doing his best to avoid using the Dark Side, not balance its use with the Light, (he's still not very good at that)

IN SHORT: I started this fic with the intent of using the Taoistic interpretation of the Force, with the Light and Dark side being complimentary, mostly because I thought it an interesting thing.

I'm changing that premisse. Instead, I'll be using Lucas canon so that the Dark Side IS a corruption of the Force, one that offers strenght for a price.

The Light side, or simply The Force is in everything, it actually includes feelings and has no rule about atachements, that rule came from the Jedi in an attempt to stop other Jedi from falling to the dark side, but The Force itself didn't require you not to feel in order to use it, only the Jedi.

The Dark Side isn't simply using feelings, it's taking the easier path, taking the shortcut, every time you use it, you find it easier to use again, insidiously affecting you until you can only feel the Dark Side.

Vader has come to see the use of the Dark Side as a convenient evil, a burden he's willing to use if necessary, something he no longer fears, but really should avoid every time he can (he's not very good at it)


In short, what is the Dark Side for Lucas canon?

Lucas especifically said that the Force gives you a destiny but you also have free will to refuse that destiny. That doesn't make you a Dark Sider. You are free to follow the will of the Force or not without falling to the Dark Side.

The Jedi were a sect, THEIR belief was in following the Will of the Force, in a way they were like monks or priests, they CHOOSE to accept their destinies and SHOULD have followed the will of the Force.

In the prequels, the Jedi had lost their way, instead of following the Will of The Force, they followed the senate and their own teachings.

The Force/Light Side itself doesn't require you to follow Jedi teachings even if you ARE force sensitivity. Being a Jedi isn't the same as being force sensitive, it's not a REQUIREMENT and the Jedi did let you leave the temple if you wanted to.

Also, using the force doesn't really stop you from loving someone, forming attachments don't HAVE to lead to the dark side, that's simply the Jedi's belief.

The Jedi decided thousands of years ago that forming atachements was dangerous. But it is also important to note that they hadn't always thought that way, it was just a recent development. (Compared to the Galaxy, it actually happened a thousand years ago.)

The problem was not Anakin loving Padmé, the problem was that he wasn't as strong as he should be, mentally that is.

Anakin loved Padmé, that was actually fine, but he put her life above others, she was more important, which, for a Jedi, was bad and he should have left the order just like Ashoka did.

Still, the Force itself doesn't disaprove of attachements, just the Jedi and they're not the same thing.

The problem is that, because of his love, Anakin became afraid of losing her, he became angry when people threatened her and he started using the Force in that way. It's a subtle distinction but, eventually, he wasn't using the Force to protect her, he was using it not to lose her.

Really, he reached out to the Dark Side in fear of loosing her and the influence of the Dark Side slowly corrupted him. Yes, he still loved her, but that love was corrupted into possessiveness. It feed his jealously.

Again, it's a subtle distinction, but his love turned from selfless to far too selfish, to the point he ended up hurting her when he just thought she was going to leave him.

The use of the Dark Side slowly corrupted him to the point that, while he still loved her, that love become like a sickness. The focus of his love was no longer on her but on himself.

The Dark Side is insidious and, slowly, his actions changed from protecting her life to not being able to bear living without her. He went from caring about her to caring about what she made him feel. The selfishness of the Dark Side corrupted their relationship from one of mutual love to one where he was possessive.

Basically, the Dark Side feed into Anakin's selfishness and turned his relationship into an abusive one. But The Force/Light side isn't about completely abandoning his feelings, that's just the Jedi way, almost like a Priest will not marry because he dedicates his life to God.

Really, being a Jedi wasn't a right, it was a responsability, there were sacrifices the Jedi were willing to make because they believed and felt like supporting others, the Will of The Force, preserving life as a whole. If a Jedi wanted to marry, have kids, form attachements, he was entirely free to leave the temple, it wasn't forbidden nor had any requirements.

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Anakin glanced at the corner of his helmet, the eye tracker sensing the command. Looking back at the table, he watched as the cybernetic hand opened its fist, the fingers uncurling one at a time before wiggling and then snapping closed again.

Leaning back, he looked up to see one of the ex-ABB teens walking out of the room at the end of the hallway and hurry towards his friend, grabbing the heavy box from one side and helping him move it towards its destination, a stern faced young woman watched them.

The girl was young, no more than 20, and Anakin caught the wave of fear that emanated from her when she caught him looking. Grabbing both boys by the head, she forced them to the floor and then knelt herself.

"Susanoo-sama, we have finished," she said, her voice steady despite the fear. "Will you require anything else?"

"No, it is sufficient," he dismissed them from his mind, turning back to the robotic hand. "You may leave."

Almost as one, they hurried out of the workshop, doing their best to not break out into a run until they thought to be away from his perception.

After killing Lung, the ABB had been perfectly content to supply him with all the components they had previously reserved for Bakuda's use. Most of the surplus supplies had been inside her main lair and, thus, apprehended by PRT, but there were several stashes left on separate locations. More importantly, they had a secondary workshop a half-step away from being fully operational for her use.

The location was lacking in many ways, but it did have a variety of advanced tools and enough room for him to work, as well as accommodations for the girl and the basic amenities of an average house.

With everything, he had easily been able to build an advanced geological compressor for improved crystals, work on Dinah's temporary hand and start several other projects.

Taking the mask off, he put it on the table and glanced aside. "You are not pushing up."

The youngling just growled at him, her arm trembling from exhaustion as she took her eyes away from the prosthetic and pushed, lifting her body up, a bead of sweat falling down from her neck to join the others on the floor.

Ever since Coil's attempt on the girl, Anakin had fulfilled his promise, forcing the girl to double her efforts. Her days started and ended with Matukai training, a few hours of rest between the sessions.

She also had two hours of body conditioning every day before lunch. That should teach her not to bury herself under rubble, or at least to survive doing so.

While that hadn't really made Dinah an expert, the liberal use of Force Healing had made her week of training the equivalent of three months for a normal human, the Force accelerating her natural healing and muscle development.

Coupled with the fact Matukai teachings naturally empowered her body with the Force, even minimally, Dinah had gone from barely doing 3 push-ups with one arm to being able to do three sets of 15 between healing sessions.

Yes, it did not make her a match for an adult man, far from it… and her Force sensitivity only had a very minimal increase, but the training made her much stronger than before and, more importantly, vastly more dexterous.

Finishing another four push-ups, she collapsed to the floor, a groan leaving her lips as she pitifully glanced at him, her body almost melting against the floor.

He ignored her.

Shaking her body on the floor, Dinah groaned again, her stare burning a hole through the back of his head. With a sigh, Anakin turned his chair and lifted a hand, Dinah's body rising in the air and floating towards him.

"You are not finished with your exercises."

"Yeah but… are you done?" she asked, taking off the small mask she had on and throwing it away before righting herself in the air. "Is it ready?"

"Yes," he sighed, pulling the robotic arm towards him with a thought. "Grab the glove from your other hand."

"YES!"

Rushing away, Dinah grabbed the first makeshift hand he had given her, a very simple thing adapted from a local prosthetic store. He had installed a few magnets and electronic commands so it could grab things. The device had lasted her a week until he could build something better, but Dinah had NOT appreciated the delay.

"Come on, you promised me a robot hand not… this," she growled with disgust as she stripped the padded inner glove from the primitive prosthetic, trying to fit it on her stump. "I want my robot hand."

It was a pity Anakin could not just take the girl to a hospital and use Mind Tricks to have her be treated by Panacea. He could compel the healer to use her power, that would not be hard, but the Force warned that a subtler approach simply wouldn't work.

No, contacting Panacea in any way would lead to a heavy Protectorate response and, while he could deal with that and any subsequent attacks with relative ease, it would mean constantly having to fight, not having time to properly train the youngling or build the things he needed.

Regardless, Dinah was far more interested in getting a prosthetic than her full arm back, at least for the moment. Her power told her she'd have the chance in a couple of months and she was content waiting for that moment.

Unfortunately, even if he had the necessary materials or equipment to build the biomechanical device, the synth-net neural interface to connect it to her organic tissue AND the facility in which to perform the surgery, it would only mean having to take it all off when that time came to restore her organic limb.

Anakin hated to admit it, but the best he could do was create a droid hand, made with subpar materials and controlled by visual, voice and movement commands. He had coded a few common responses such as grabbing things, shaking hands and other common movements, but that was the extent of it.

Well, the girl HAD asked for a robot hand, not a cybernetic one.

"Come here," he said.

Glancing up, Dinah hurried towards his chair and handed him the glove before extending the remains of her arm.

With Force healing, the stump had healed completely, leaving a nub of perfectly pink skin without even a scar. Anakin gently grabbed it, turning to see if there was any irritation from using the glove, but it didn't seem to hurt her.

Finally, he fitted the padded glove on her limb and lifted the robotic arm from his lap, gently adjusting it on her glove before securing it in place.

Stepping back, Dinah lifted the prosthetic and pumped a fist, the metal fingers squeezing tightly.

"Cool!" Looking up with shining eyes, she asked. "Did you put one of the lasers inside it?"

"No, I did not put a laser inside the prosthetic," he sighed. "If you wish to shoot someone, you're perfectly capable of doing so with a proper weapon."

"Less cool. So, how do I control it?"

Extending his hand again, Anakin pulled a pair of glasses from the table, the assessor slowly settling on Dinah's face. "Like your mask, the glasses will track your eye movement and translate it into commands. You can also command it with your voice or program common responses with your computer."

"Huh, middle finger," she immediately said, smiling as the hand obeyed. "Knife hand, Vulcan salute."

The last one didn't happen, he had no idea what such salute meant and so hadn't coded the response. After a moment, the hand simply relaxed back into a neutral position. Still, Dinah seemed content with the new arm, forgetting all about her exhaustion and starting to play around by grabbing a discarded bar of metal, having the hand squeeze it until the material started to bend.

"Back to your exercises," Anakin said after a few moments.

"Really?" Dinah stopped, turning to look at him. In her mechanical hand, the metal bar broke in two, a piece falling to each side. "I mean, really?!"

Anakin just lifted an eyebrow.

"Hal, help me out here," she said, glancing at the droid resting on top of the shelf.

The TRD-01's frame had been a complete loss, but Anakin managed to save all of its programming, as well as fixing the gravity controllers, installing it all on a new frame, one that better resembled a head. Later, when he had the time, he planned to finish building the rest of the body with Bakuda's supplies.

"I'm sorry, Dinah, I'm afraid I can't do that," the droid said, taking advantage of its newly installed vocabulator.

"Ugh, I really shouldn't have given you that name," the girl grumbled, dropping down to the mat. "Just don't start killing humans like the one in the movies."

"Hal 9000's actions were perfectly reasonable and in accordance with his programming. Any mistakes were a result of human error," said the droid in an emotionless, and yet still haughty voice. "His primary directive was to ensure the success of the mission. Being clearly far superior to the meatbags present, his continued function was, factually, the preferred option."

"Riiight," shooting Anakin a look, she asked. "You sure everything's fine?"

"Yes," Anakin shrugged. "Some droids develop… unconventional personalities, but his programming is entirely safe. At least he's not repeating 'roger-roger'."

Looking at her annoyed eyes, Anakin couldn't help the small smile from reaching his face. Shaking his head, he let her restart her exercises and walked towards the kitchen, igniting the primitive gas stove.

Grabbing a pan, he filled it with water and started to heat it up before getting the pasta from one of the cabinets, spreading the spaghetti evenly inside the water and waiting for it to soften before pushing it entirely under the water.

Staring at the food woke up old memories inside him, his hand pausing in the middle of getting another pot.

Standing in a simple kitchen with his mother. Sharing time, laughs and memories as she made him fetch pots. Measure flour or slice the hauron bread when he was old enough to hold a knife, even learning how to cook on the fireplace. The ever-present feeling of family was so different from the distance he always felt in the Temple.

Did Luke experience something like this? He knew the boy had grown up with his half brother… Anakin hoped he had received the same love.

In truth, Anakin had barely known his brother and, even seeing his body and walking through his house, he hadn't felt anything. No, he had only felt anger. That Owen had dared hide Luke from him. That he and his wife had died before Vader could get his hands on them.

Shaking his head, he glanced back towards the girl, her back against the mattress as she rested between reps. Eyes widening, he felt it, the beginnings of the bond, his power stretching towards her through the Force even when she couldn't truly reciprocate.

With a flex of his mind, he gripped the connection and thought about snapping it. A Force bond was a powerful thing, allowing it to form would let her have a deeper understanding of him, a greater ability to sense his thoughts and feelings… he did not think she deserved that burden.

Even now, it was a struggle to contain his anger, his hate. He did not want to expose her to that.

Still, he stopped himself, releasing the fragile connection and letting it continue. The girl was still weak, far below the level of even the youngest in the Temple, even if the bond was fully forged, it would be such a small thing, only giving her a hint of his moods and nothing more.

More importantly, it would be another safety net, allowing him to locate her even on a different planet in case anything happened.

Releasing a breath, he finished getting another pan and started to prepare the sauce. It had been decades since he last cooked anything, but he trusted the Force… and the recipes he found on the computer.

Anakin and Dinah finished at the same time, the girl making a point of pushing herself up with her new arm, the action taking a couple of seconds as she fiddled with the visual commands.

"I think I'm getting the 'hand' of this," she said, smirking up at him.

"Oh?" he asked, putting her plate on the table.

"Yep," she nodded. "89% chances I learn to use it fully by next week."

After stretching a little, she sat down and frowned at the cutlery, her eyes moving around to try and command the arm with the visual tracking software, her eyes flickering around and the tip of her tongue unconsciously poking out of her mouth.

Lifting a finger, he flicked her forehead with the Force, causing her to rear back. "You are going to give yourself a headache, again."

"Humph," picking up her fork with her good hand, she gathered the spaghetti and started eating, a moan leaving her mouth as she tasted the food.

"Tell me of your progress," he finally said, wiping his mouth.

"Well, Coil controls the Undersiders, the Travelers, Circus, and a lot of mercenaries. But there's like, a 4% chance the mercenaries agree to anger you and Undersiders would happily leave him if given the chance," Dinah said, wiping her mouth with a napkin. "I know they betray him eventually. It was how I was supposed to escape before you. I just don't know why. Still, there's like, a 68% chance I can poach most of them away from him."

"Good. What of his power?"

"I'm pretty sure he can try things and his power tells him the result, but I think he's more versatile than me, like, I think he can see the results, not just the numbers, or a yes and no answer," Dinah said, slurping some more spaghetti. "I know he's testing us, but nothing is happening…"

"How many times? How much time between the tests?" Anakin asked.

"I… don't know?" she huffed. "I mean, it's so annoying, the numbers keep changing."

"Find out. Discovering your enemy's limitations is essential to defeating him."

"Can't you just tell me?"

"Yes," he promptly answered, ready to tell her if she pressed, but Dinah just released another frustrated huff and didn't ask anything else.

Anakin almost snorted when he saw she had managed to get the prosthetic tapping a finger on the table, her eyes closed as she used her power.

"He… his probes take time, there's almost 0% chance he makes two tries at the same time, I think he also can't do it too often."

"What does that indicate?"

"His power isn't instantaneous? He doesn't get numbers like me so, maybe he gets a vision or something and it takes time to watch?" she wondered to herself. "Or maybe he gets headaches and has to rest, but no, the pain doesn't go away that fast."

Angrily biting into the fork, Dinah finished her meal and sighed, massaging her forehead.

"Your enemy is not invincible, his power has limitations," Anakin said, pushing himself up and gathering the plates. "Very likely, your power also interferes with his. Do not feel pressured. Remember, it is likely he is as frustrated as you by this impasse."

Walking around the table, he took a second to mess with her hair, earning himself a glare before taking everything to the sink.

Moving towards the heavily curtained windows, closed to keep anyone from being able to look inside, Anakin stood with his back towards the girl, his Force senses spreading out from the room and towards the watcher on a nearby building.

They had been getting bolder every day, less careful. As the girl said, Coil was clearly testing his range and ability again. It was… irritating.

"His kind are manipulators. They do not have allies, only pawns" he finally said without turning. "Masterminds such as he require influence, information and, more importantly, a projected sense of invincibility to keep their pawns from turning on them. While Coil still appears strong, his power IS limited and he must have burned much of his influence to keep away from the light, to shift the blame fully onto the Travelers."

"So… you're saying he's vulnerable?"

"Yes, with two failures that resulted in losses, he is finding it more difficult to project that aura of invincibility," Anakin nodded.

In many ways, Coil reminded him of a pathetic reflection of Sidious, of how he acted before rising as Emperor. His moves were familiar, his way of thinking, his control over information and perception. It was likely they also shared the same goal.

While Sidious played with the Galaxy, Coil played with this city. Anakin could feel his influence, small as it was.

The meeting he had attended had been about how to deal with the ABB. Supposedly a communal discussion and yet, three of the teams there were working for Coil, with the villain looking to hire Faultline too.

He had no doubt Coil already had plans on how to deal with the Empire and PRT, either destroying or taking control of them, probably the latter. Another reason not to join the organization, not that he needed it.

Refocusing on the watcher monitoring them from the building at the end of the street, he felt the mercenary's mind, the fear, but also the malice and greed there. If allowed to remain, the man would be quite happy to eliminate them given the chance.

Anakin lifted his hand, thumb and forefingers pinched as he used the Force to squeeze the man's throat. He had tolerated their presence enough; it was time to remind them of Coil's failures.

Inside the clean room, one of Coil's mercenaries collapsed to his knees, dropping the listening device he had been installing and grasping at his neck in desperation, his eyes going red as Anakin choked the life out of him. With a 'crack' the man's bones collapse inwards, his body losing strength and flopping to the floor.

Standing in place, Anakin's expressionless face reflected on the glass window, his blue eyes staring straight ahead without a hint of emotion as he managed to channel the dark side without losing himself.

With a sigh, he stopped channeling the Dark Side. He should not have done that. It was hasty and a step back, but the comparison to his former master had left him feeling aggrieved.

Once again, Anakin reminded himself he planned to let Dinah deal with Coil herself. Still, that did not mean he'd allow her to be under any risk, or that he could not give her some help.

People as a whole did not enjoy the prospect of dying. Soldiers, gang members, slaves… they all accepted the risks involved, by it from a sense of duty, belief, fear or desperation.

Mercenaries did not.

No, trained mercenaries were only interested in payment and, more importantly, being alive to enjoy said payment. They did not fight for the losing side and this death would only make things harder for the villain, eroding their trust in his power even more.

"What're you doing?" Dinah asked, peeking at him from the sofa.

"There was an insect," he said, lowering his hand, his eyes growing warmer as he turned towards her.

Dropping her head back down against the pillow, the girl lifted her new hand, playing around with the visual tracker to give it several commands, watching the metallic fingers making complex movements in front of her face.

Lifting his cape, Anakin unclasped the lock on the second lightsaber at his belt, grabbing the smaller white hilt and pulling it out, the weapon feeling fragile in his large hand.

"You really should have taken Lung's place, I so wanted his rocking chair," Dinah commented.

Upon meeting the ABB, the gang leaders had offered him the deceased dragon's place in their hierarchy, including his house. Anakin had no interest in the location and, outside of freeing the two slaves Lung kept imprisoned; he did not care what happened to it.

When he walked inside, he could feel an echo of the suffering done there and, while small in the face of what Anakin himself had done, it would still slightly disrupt anyone meditating on the Force, forcing them to block the pain and suffering done there.

As for the Dark Side, he did not need any help with it.

"This place is acceptable," he said, throwing the handle towards her. "Here."

Registering the movement through the camera in her glasses, her robot arm moved with precision, snapping up and grabbing the Lightsaber from the air with ease.

Nearly catapulting herself up, the girl stared at the weapon with sparkles in her eyes. "I thought you weren't going to make me one?" she asked, barely contained glee in her voice.

"I… have changed my mind."

"I knew it was working! The puppy-dog eyes always work!" she almost yelled, jumping up from the sofa and standing on a poorly executed attack stance. "Although… Dad usually lasts longer than a week."

Somehow, despite being able to feel her emotions and knowing what she was doing, Anakin felt like he had lost.

Before he said anything else, she found the button, causing the blue blade to nearly instantly ignite, a wave of displaced air flicking her hair away from her face as the light illuminated her features, the characteristic hum of the weapon filling the room.

"It is only a training saber. You will still be capable of cutting through inanimate materials, slowly, but the containment field can detect organics and will refuse to completely open, only causing minor burns."

In truth, the containment field could be easily adjusted, allowing the weapon to function as a normal lightsaber at any moment, but he would not be telling her that anytime soon.

Deactivating the weapon, Dinah threw herself at him, her arms wrapping around his waist and squeezing, the lightsaber's handle hitting his back.

For a full second, nearly a lifetime with his reflexes, Anakin did not react but, eventually, he forced himself to hug her back, the action feeling almost foreign to him.

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[Xedornox]

Thanks' for the chapter.

 

[mpbjunkie]

I didn't know that the light-side wasn't from the movies. Suddenly that whole balance prophecy makes a lot more sense. This Lucas canon thing is more simplistic, but I think I like it.

 

[00loner]

Alright, this is a pretty huge announcement!

Well, in this case, I'm altering the entire fic, the modification is simultaneously huge and... not since it won't really affect the direction of the fic.

I haven't gone back over the chapters yet, (it'll take me a few days to do so), but new chapters will be posted WITH the change and I feel it doesn't affect much of what happened or the direction Anakin took, just some of his musings.

So, what am I changing? The Force.

In short, I started this fic with the Dualist interpretation of the Force that Extended universe/Legends and now Disney canon seem to adopt, taking into consideration the common Taoistic interpretation of the Dark/Light side of the Force where they're more like In and Yang, two halfs of a whole.

From now on, I'll be changing it to Lucas canon, which is basically the first six movies. So, there's no Light side of the Force, only the Force and a corruption of it (Dark Side).
Anakin no longer fears the Dark Side, but he's aware that every use of it has a great cost and he's trying to stop, (He's not very good at it)

For a longer explanations: I really hope you guys read this, it's a serious explanation of a pretty important thing for this fic, The Force.

Spoiler: Explanation

Alright, this is a pretty huge change and I haven't updated the chapters with it yet, but new chapters will be posted WITH the changes.
I'll probably make all the necessary corrections in two or three days and, if you guys want, you may re-read it, but I feel there's no real need. Yeah, the change is important, but it doesn't change the direction of the fic or Anakin's actions, only some of his musings.


So, what did I change and why?
For those who don't know, there's a pretty HUGE change in SW canon.
SW canon has always been divided, with the Movies standing by themselves, then the extended universe, where crazy things happened, many epic stories were told and, unfortunately, some very bad stories were also told and, currently, there's Disney canon, which has declared much of the extended universe non-canon and adopted some of it.
So, it's basically: Lucas canon - Extended universe/Legends - Disney Canon.

Lucas canon was always the movies, as far I was aware, he never declared anything else canon, but also didn't declare them non-canon.
The extended universe were the comics, which was kinda it's own thing, but Lucas seemed to keep an eye on them so they didn't become too crazy.
Later, Disney canon was born, contrary to Lucas, they declared the extended universe non-canon and adopted only some things. Disney Canon includes the sequels, (which are CRAP! in my opinion), but also things like several good SW comics and, surprisingly, things like Clone wars were adopted and declared canon.

So, what is this change? It's the Force.

Now, forgive me if you already know this but, in Lucas canon, there was no Light side of the Force, there was only the Force and the Dark Side. In fact, Luke Skywalker once mentioned bringing Anakin to the good side, but never in any of Lucas movies was the term Light Side used, or bringing to the light, or anything light related.
The Light Side was born on the extended universe and then made the jump to Disney canon.
For Lucas, the Dark Side is a corruption, a cancer, it has no place in the universe, a perversion of the Force that simply shouldn't exist and only brought destruction. It was adictive, like a drug while the Force didn't have a light side, it was just The Force.



What happened was that, with time, people saw the Dark Side and The Force and thought, well, there's a Dark Side, obviously there should be a Light Side, they also considered things like Taoism, the jedi teachings of selflessness against selfishness and all that.
From that, many comics were created.

So, the Light Side was born, with it being the good side, teaching selflessness, love to all people, the importance of life. With the Dark Side being selfshness, actions driven by emotions, hate.

With all the talk of bringing balance to the Force, many fans come to some logical conclusions: What is a balanced life? One with the right amount of selfshness and selflessness.

A lot of people came to believe that the Jedi's failure in the prequels was that they leaned too much on the Light Side, abandoning their emotions.
From everything I have read and Lucas has said, that was never his intention, the Jedi didn't lean too much to the Light side because, when Lucas made the movie, it didn't exist.

No, the Jedi's failure came from them NOT following the teachings of the Force, instead of following it to the extreme and "Falling out of Balance" as many people believe.
There's also a comon belief in Grey Jedi using both sides, but, for Lucas, that's not really the case, one can't use the Dark Side together with The Force and there's no Light side, only the Force and a perversion of it.


When I started writing this, I was using a lot of the Vader comics, as well as some Legends things so, I started by using the common belief of the Force as two sides, with my base in Taoism. I was aware of Lucas's views, but I thought to play with Canon view.

I started with the intent on making the Force In and Yang, dark and Light, both sides that complimented each other.
After 14 chapters and a lot of thought, I believe further chapters would be better if I changed it to the Lucas canon interpretation:
There's only the Force and the Dark Side, with the Dark Side giving a boost in strenght, but also being akin to a drug, a corruption that brings no benefits beside immediate power. A shortcut that wounds the soul.
Anakin, after so long immersed in the Dark Side, no longer fears this corruption, he believes he must accept his actions, not flee from them and that, if necessary, he can bear the use of the Dark Side again without falling.

But he is still doing his best to avoid using the Dark Side, not balance it's use with the Light, (he's still not very good at that)



IN SHORT: I started this fic with the intent of using the Taoistic interpretation of the Force, with the Light and Dark side being complimentary, mostly because I thought it an interesting thing.

I'm changing that premisse. Instead, I'll be using Lucas canon so that the Dark Side IS a corruption of the Force, one that offers strenght for a price.
Vader has come to see the use of the Dark Side as a convenient evil, a burden he's willing to use if necessary, something he no longer fears, but really should avoid every time he can (he's not very good at it)

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I think the previous interpretation of the force and it's two side seems more likely and easy to understand .

What's even the point of calling it dark side if there is no light side ? This seems confusing .

 

[S!ËGFR!ÊD]

I think the previous interpretation of the force and it's two side seems more likely and easy to understand .

What's even the point of calling it dark side if there is no light side ? This seems confusing .

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You can interpret it as the Dark Side being both a corruption of the Force and a lesson from it. Do not forget, nor completely let go of, the pain and suffering of yourself and those around you. Nor should you excessively indulge in your own negativity.

 

[ThunderBasilisk]

Awesome chapter. And I like both explanations but there just being the Force and the Corrupted version fits just fine with this story. Also is Anakin gonna rock the Red Saber or is he gonna get a new color?

 

[10moorem]

Thanks for the chapter.

Seems a bit weird to change things at this point, but if it makes things easier for you then you go for it.

 

[CapCaverna]

Thanks for the chapter.

Seems a bit weird to change things at this point, but if it makes things easier for you then you go for it.

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Yeah, I know it's kinda weird, but I found myself having a lot of trouble with the chapters before making the change.

So, please, bear with me here, I think it will make future chapters better.

 

[ThornJayJay]

Tbh i've always dislike the whole "Grey" thing, especially in fanfiction. 9/10 times it's just a mastubatory excuse to high road the silly little jedi from atop your big dumb "!grey !independent !harem" horse, or unrepentantly do cool sith tricks without having the balls to take the uncool aspects with it. If you wanna throw lightning than either commit to the bit or fuck off you grey pussy. They do the same shit in Harry Potter fanfiction as well.

Also btw the dark side being a corruption and there just being the force is way more interesting to me. I dislike the force having a political agenda for some reason.

 

[Lost4rt]

"You really should have taken Lung's place, I so wanted his rocking chair," Dinah commented.

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And so the Laz-E Boy memes continue.

 

[Dur'id the Druid]

My two cents. I've always been partial to the interpretation of light and dark side just being within the force user. A mental/philosophy technique to make it easier for our minds and organizations to understand The Force and teach students.

 

[NutakuFan]

That meme inspires the same feeling Darth Vader inspired in me as a child, apprehension of it's next showing, and anticipation of just how cool it is.

 

[Yohnos]

I think that you are right about the dark side of the force, it is at it's core a disease but how so sweet. Has Darth Plagueis once said: "The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of."

 

[Loremaster912]

I'm sure that was a totally mundane insect, nothing to see here. "This is not the bug you are looking for" *waves hand*

 

[Akuma-Heika]

There's also a comon belief in Grey Jedi using both sides, but, for Lucas, that's not really the case, one can't use the Dark Side together with The Force and there's no Light side, only the Force and a perversion of it.

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What about Windu? IIRC, he uses both at the same time, and it allows him a number of abilities/styles that are otherwise unavailable. I believe Lucas was involved with at least some of the stuff surrounding Windu.

I'm changing that premisse. Instead, I'll be using Lucas canon so that the Dark Side IS a corruption of the Force, one that offers strenght for a price.

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Who created the corruption, and how (both in the canon of the OG Trilogy [the Force in the OG Trilogy didn't have a biological component, and Yoda specifies that it exists even in the strictly nonliving {the rock}] and the prequel trilogy [where it is biological {and now that I think about, really reminds me of Parasyte Eve})?

 

[grime]

What about Windu? IIRC, he uses both at the same time, and it allows him a number of abilities/styles that are otherwise unavailable. I believe Lucas was involved with at least some of the stuff surrounding Windu.

Who created the corruption, and how (both in the canon of the OG Trilogy [the Force in the OG Trilogy didn't have a biological component, and Yoda specifies that it exists even in the strictly nonliving {the rock}] and the prequel trilogy [where it is biological {and now that I think about, really reminds me of Parasyte Eve})?

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Windu doesn't use the dark side what? Lmao, his lightsabre style, Vaapad, is unique in that it allows the user to redirect their opponent's passions, a perfect counter to dark side fighting styles, but it is considered extremely risky, and Windu is the only one who can use it, being its inventor. That's also why Windu seems to dogmatic and uncompromising as a Jedi, because he needs to be extra strict given his unique style. But no, he doesn't directly channel the dark side or use his own passions.

As for your second point, it's also simple. There is the cosmic force, and the living force. The cosmic force pertains to inanimate things and the universe as a whole, while the living force is more directly connected with life, both are part of the same force, just distinctions made by mortal species in their study of the force. Midichlorians are an interface for the force, they are symbiotic organisms that allow the force sensitive to be, sensitive to the force.

 

[Ahtu]

Well, in this case, I'm altering the entire fic, the modification is simultaneously huge and... not since it won't really affect the direction of the fic.

I haven't gone back over the chapters yet, (it'll take me a few days to do so), but new chapters will be posted WITH the change and I feel it doesn't affect much of what happened or the direction Anakin took, just some of his musings.

So, what am I changing? The Force.

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Hmmmm.... Pretty fundamental to the fic I'd say... But we will see.

Lucas canon was always the movies, as far I was aware, he never declared anything else canon, but also didn't declare them non-canon.

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Not exactly true. He did declare some non-canon, and gave the go-ahead to many other projects. He's also broadly speaking on-board with the Legends universe, as they follow his explicit take on the force. As you'll see if you check out some interviews/meetings he attended.

Frankly, the worst parts of canon, are actually their rewrites of the original 6 books. To be honest, they're absolute garbage. Like some b, or c-tier Shakespeare attempt at writing SW in flowery language and a show utterly unregulated emotions that make most of the cast seem utterly insane. But none more so than Anakin. Revenge of the Sith is probably the worst contender.

They are in short by far among the very worst that SW EU has to offer, up there with Dark Empire. And it's in no small part because of how incompatible they are with the rest. They're not really an "extended universe", as much as they are their own crappy microcosms.

Please try reading or listening to the the EU/Legends version of Revenge of the Sith, or Dark Empire(the novel) and tell me I'm wrong. It's honestly rather hard to stomache(especially Revenge of the Sith).

I consider them their own little thing, and only accept cherry picking out pieces from them(at least Dark Empire, not sure I'd pick anything from that version of Revenge of the Sith) - Picking only the parts that do not starkly contradict all the rest of the EU, and the original lore.

Frankly pick them out, you'll see that he rest of the EU starts working together suspiciously well. Almost like the authors of either did not really get the SW lore, or even theme/tonality.

If any of you want to check out a fic, that touches a lot upon the workings of the force, and is generally quite in theme with most of the rest of the EU - Then I'd suggest going for the Plagueis novel. It summarizes both most of the SW >force-related< history, and a lot of the workings of The Force. With takes given from what is probably idd the wisest Sith to ever live, with very few that could contend with him for the title.

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Now onto your changes: You're dead wrong. Yes it's not mentioned in the movies. But GL himself took his very concept of the force from Taoist monks and the Yin-Yang model. And he speaks extensively about the light and the dark in interviews. And specifically states that there is a light and dark side to the force, repeatedly. And he also states to the creators that such is how he wants them to portray it.

He also further states that balance is IDD a balance between the light and the dark. Which is part of why the force only came into balance when both the old Sith and Jedi orders were dead.

He does consider The Dark Side to be a cancer, but only in the sense of how anger is a poison to the mind. And how too much of anything is bad for you.

Sadly I think I know which shit video you got this take from. The guy just deletes all comments that does a good job of arguing against him. I would know, I tried, got a shit-ton of likes, he threw a tantrum and deleted it(And I saw it simultaneously being done to others in comments near mine, some of which added on to my thread). It's the guy that thinks he understands Kreia's philosophy and The Force. Newsflash, he doesn't. He just wants to push his own narrative. No matter how much he has to lie, hide, twist and ignore to do so.

The perspective that there's no light, and that only the Jedi are right/in balance? It's an exclusive subset of Jedi beliefs. It's a belief that the Jedi are the ones who knows the only "right way" to use The Force. And that The Dark Side is only a perversion. Which is ironic, since Bogun/The Dark Side was discovered first, which would technically make "Ashla"/The Light Side the perversion. Neither is ofc true, they're just 2 sides of the same coin, and neither is in balance.

Both are ultimately corruptive influences on their own. The Light makes you meek, and pushes you towards pacifistic tranquility. While The Dark Side makes you aggressive, and pushes you towards selfishness, brutality and ultimately self-destruction.

I would agree that The Dark Side is blatantly, and ultimately more dangerous. But in a sense, The Light is more insidious. Because you don't notice as your natural desires start to fade, and you grow... Pretty much apathic.

We basically have the equivalent examples IRL. The Hippie/The Pacifist and The Fighter/Warmongerer.

This sort of connection to the real world and how it works, was something GL was ALWAYS looking to establish. To help ppl relate, amongst other things.

All of these issues stems from the fact that some ignorant ppl think that the EU was built without any input from GL, which is just blatantly false. The EU creators(most of them) consulted with GL extensively, they actually respected the original work and lore at large.

PS. I'm not saying I consider GL the ultimate authority on SW, I don't. But this shit about about GL's canon being tied to that subset of Jedi beliefs? It's just BS. An unfortunately result of an all-too-popular video from a self-important little shit, that's trying to bend the narrative into what suits him. And has through using the grand allure of KOTOR(weird how he can use the allure of the rich KOTOR lore, to contradict the KOTOR lore like that...) and cheap Youtube tricks to sell his shtick, sadly had a lot of success...