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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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Last Para update was about using the opportunity to upgrade earth's infrastructure everywhere.
I also think it likely that after two global attacks they will form some sort of global military cooperation.
If not outright a world government.
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Earth 12
19th September 2039
07:12 GMT -5
I amble into the dining room to find Claudia putting a bowl of porridge in my place.
"Morning, Dad."
"Good… Morning?" She looks-. "What?"
She feigns innocence, and she's better at it in her middle years than she was when she used to sneak out to play with experimental supervillain technology in her childhood, but I've known her for her entire life.
"What do you mean, Dad?"
"What's happened?"
"I just.. felt like visiting this morning."
"I'm not senile enough to believe-." I look around. "The radio's not on and there's no newspaper. Claudia?"
She sighs, and opens the cutlery drawer-.
"That's the cutlery drawer, why would you hide-?"
She passes the newspaper over. "It's in the nationwide section. Just… Don't go nuts, okay?"
"I'll do my-" I sit down on my chair and open the paper. "-best?" Nationwide section, because the Daily Planet mostly covers Metropolis rather than-.
The paper tears in my hands.
"Dad-."
I hold up my right hand as I try to master myself. Oh. Oh. Yes, that-.
"O-kay. Claudia-."
"Dad, just-."
"A District Attorney does not have the right to order the use of an untested drug on unconsenting citizens! For any reasons!" I move the porridge bowl aside and then put the paper-. Smooth down the paper so I can get a better look at the article. Why were they-? Oh, oh! "Especially not to rewrite their ffffff-. DNA!"
"I know, and I've contacted our lawyers already." She smiles. "And thank you for sparing my ears."
"Did you contact them regarding civil rights, or regarding the fact that they obviously used our proprietary technology to do it?"
"I… Dad, they specialise in corporate law. It's easier to use the proprietary technology angle."
I look around-.
"Claudia, did you hide my phone?"
"I just put it in the drawer, Dad."
I frown. "I'll let you off about the paper but that handset can't be hygienic."
"I just didn't want you to phone anyone without talking it through with the lawyers first."
"If I ran everything by lawyers then I'd never have gotten anything done." I make a gesture of appeal with both arms. "Who do you think I'm going to phone?"
"The District Attorney, Sam Young. If you phone him up and start threatening him, it will make the case much harder."
"No. No, I'll speak to him before we file papers, but he can wait. I'm going to phone Batman and ask what the heck he thinks he's playing at."
She blinks in surprise. "You've got Batman's phone number? I know you used to work with the Justice League, but I didn't know you knew them personally."
"He didn't give me his number. I just know who he is, so I can just use a public listing." I take another look at the newspaper, focusing on the picture of Batman-. The new Batman. Shorter, more slender… Richard works as a gymnastics instructor and Timothy… I… Think he ended up with a job with a toy company? Neither of them are likely to have taken over, and no one else comes to mind. "The last one, anyway. I don't know who that is."
Shouldn't be that hard to find out, though. Some young man has started hanging out with Bruce Wayne. I could probably-.
Mm.
"Okay. I'm not going to fly off the handle. Consider me managed."
"Dad, you just said that you know who Batman is."
"Yes, and while I'm not exactly the shifty, sticky-fingered git's biggest fan, he did save the world a few times so I'm not going to go around broadcasting his secret identity to people, including you."
She nods. "That's fair enough. Okay. I'm going to get Derek and Louise up, and then talk to Public Relations."
"And-."
She nods. "And warn our more skittish employees, and schedule more media awareness training days. Which might be unnecessary. They might just fold."
"No." I point to the paper. "They tried to kill him. When an American politician decides that it's alright to ignore the law and the constitution because of something that affected them personally, they won't back down."
"We don't actually know that they used the same technology that Mum invented."
"People don't often reinvent the wheel. From the sounds of it current generation 'splicing' is a lot faster than what Barbara developed, but I'd be astonished if they didn't use her work as the starting point. Uhh, they even had a tiger woman. Oh, and… Don't forget to include whatever's left of the Chimera Institute in our legal action."
"Okay, Dad."
She opens… Oh, okay, that drawer was actually empty, and pulls out the telephone handset. She then puts it down next to the top of my paper, makes slightly nervous eye contact with me for a moment, then walks out of my apartment.
Right… Phone… Voice activation enabled…
"Phone, access.. society pages in Gotham City newspapers. What young man has been spending time with Bruce Wayne since the new Batman appeared?"
Nothing for a moment, then translucent holographic images of… An elderly Bruce Wayne, walking stick in hand, walking down a red carpet with… A young black-haired man wearing a brown jacket just behind him.
"McGinnis, Terrence. Student. Home help."
M-hm.
I pick up the handset. "Phone Bruce Wayne."
The little screen says 'calling' and-. Don't put it next to your ear you silly old fool. Put it down on the stand so that the camera can get a good look at your face, because he's probably got image-based screening-.
"Wayne."
But that doesn't mean that he has to use it.
"Wynne."
"I thought you might call."
"That was Barbara's work, wasn't it?"
"Modified."
"It's not supposed to be administered like that. You know that."
"It worked."
"I'm not happy about the way Gotham dealt with this 'splicing' business. I'm going to be visiting."
"Fine."
"And by 'visiting' I-."
He hangs up.
Alright. If that's how you want to play it.
19th September 2039
07:12 GMT -5
I amble into the dining room to find Claudia putting a bowl of porridge in my place.
"Morning, Dad."
"Good… Morning?" She looks-. "What?"
She feigns innocence, and she's better at it in her middle years than she was when she used to sneak out to play with experimental supervillain technology in her childhood, but I've known her for her entire life.
"What do you mean, Dad?"
"What's happened?"
"I just.. felt like visiting this morning."
"I'm not senile enough to believe-." I look around. "The radio's not on and there's no newspaper. Claudia?"
She sighs, and opens the cutlery drawer-.
"That's the cutlery drawer, why would you hide-?"
She passes the newspaper over. "It's in the nationwide section. Just… Don't go nuts, okay?"
"I'll do my-" I sit down on my chair and open the paper. "-best?" Nationwide section, because the Daily Planet mostly covers Metropolis rather than-.
The paper tears in my hands.
"Dad-."
I hold up my right hand as I try to master myself. Oh. Oh. Yes, that-.
"O-kay. Claudia-."
"Dad, just-."
"A District Attorney does not have the right to order the use of an untested drug on unconsenting citizens! For any reasons!" I move the porridge bowl aside and then put the paper-. Smooth down the paper so I can get a better look at the article. Why were they-? Oh, oh! "Especially not to rewrite their ffffff-. DNA!"
"I know, and I've contacted our lawyers already." She smiles. "And thank you for sparing my ears."
"Did you contact them regarding civil rights, or regarding the fact that they obviously used our proprietary technology to do it?"
"I… Dad, they specialise in corporate law. It's easier to use the proprietary technology angle."
I look around-.
"Claudia, did you hide my phone?"
"I just put it in the drawer, Dad."
I frown. "I'll let you off about the paper but that handset can't be hygienic."
"I just didn't want you to phone anyone without talking it through with the lawyers first."
"If I ran everything by lawyers then I'd never have gotten anything done." I make a gesture of appeal with both arms. "Who do you think I'm going to phone?"
"The District Attorney, Sam Young. If you phone him up and start threatening him, it will make the case much harder."
"No. No, I'll speak to him before we file papers, but he can wait. I'm going to phone Batman and ask what the heck he thinks he's playing at."
She blinks in surprise. "You've got Batman's phone number? I know you used to work with the Justice League, but I didn't know you knew them personally."
"He didn't give me his number. I just know who he is, so I can just use a public listing." I take another look at the newspaper, focusing on the picture of Batman-. The new Batman. Shorter, more slender… Richard works as a gymnastics instructor and Timothy… I… Think he ended up with a job with a toy company? Neither of them are likely to have taken over, and no one else comes to mind. "The last one, anyway. I don't know who that is."
Shouldn't be that hard to find out, though. Some young man has started hanging out with Bruce Wayne. I could probably-.
Mm.
"Okay. I'm not going to fly off the handle. Consider me managed."
"Dad, you just said that you know who Batman is."
"Yes, and while I'm not exactly the shifty, sticky-fingered git's biggest fan, he did save the world a few times so I'm not going to go around broadcasting his secret identity to people, including you."
She nods. "That's fair enough. Okay. I'm going to get Derek and Louise up, and then talk to Public Relations."
"And-."
She nods. "And warn our more skittish employees, and schedule more media awareness training days. Which might be unnecessary. They might just fold."
"No." I point to the paper. "They tried to kill him. When an American politician decides that it's alright to ignore the law and the constitution because of something that affected them personally, they won't back down."
"We don't actually know that they used the same technology that Mum invented."
"People don't often reinvent the wheel. From the sounds of it current generation 'splicing' is a lot faster than what Barbara developed, but I'd be astonished if they didn't use her work as the starting point. Uhh, they even had a tiger woman. Oh, and… Don't forget to include whatever's left of the Chimera Institute in our legal action."
"Okay, Dad."
She opens… Oh, okay, that drawer was actually empty, and pulls out the telephone handset. She then puts it down next to the top of my paper, makes slightly nervous eye contact with me for a moment, then walks out of my apartment.
Right… Phone… Voice activation enabled…
"Phone, access.. society pages in Gotham City newspapers. What young man has been spending time with Bruce Wayne since the new Batman appeared?"
Nothing for a moment, then translucent holographic images of… An elderly Bruce Wayne, walking stick in hand, walking down a red carpet with… A young black-haired man wearing a brown jacket just behind him.
"McGinnis, Terrence. Student. Home help."
M-hm.
I pick up the handset. "Phone Bruce Wayne."
The little screen says 'calling' and-. Don't put it next to your ear you silly old fool. Put it down on the stand so that the camera can get a good look at your face, because he's probably got image-based screening-.
"Wayne."
But that doesn't mean that he has to use it.
"Wynne."
"I thought you might call."
"That was Barbara's work, wasn't it?"
"Modified."
"It's not supposed to be administered like that. You know that."
"It worked."
"I'm not happy about the way Gotham dealt with this 'splicing' business. I'm going to be visiting."
"Fine."
"And by 'visiting' I-."
He hangs up.
Alright. If that's how you want to play it.
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'drawer'
"of appeasement"
I'm guessing the nightmare with Joker didn't happen.
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Is this a continuation of something?
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It's the version of Paul from the Justice League cartoon, but now it's set in the future with the Batman Beyond cartoon.
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Paul in the Justice league animated series went full corporate.
I assume this is him in batman beyond.
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the one that bought villain inventions?
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As interesting as seeing Peter Wynne in the Batman Beyond timeline is, I'm sad that we won't read more interactions between him and the Justice League. Though, considering that they assumed he was evil after being spanked by Paragon!OL, I assume they stay out of each other's ways as much as possible.
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Hopefully that is true, I also hope that Dick got together with Starfire since it was mentioned that he was with the Titans.
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What they said, and also last we saw he was in a dedicated relationship with Cheetah, and it looks like they both got married and found a cure for her transformation. A cure which looks like it was used to develop Slicer technology.
Batman stole his ring, which was dead
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And hired ex-villians, with mandatory consoling sessions. I want to say we saw him hire the Pied Piper.
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So Batman Beyond timeline for Peter Wynne. Since Cheetah was nowhere around, except to mention her work, I'm gonna assume that she has since passed.
Did their daughter not inherit anything or were they able to reverse Barbara's mutation eventually before they had her? Oh, and are they living in Metropolis? I thought he had his company based in Europe to avoid getting too involved with American superheroics.
Now I'm curious to see how that future looks with the influence of supervillain tech being better presented and disseminated.
Agree 100%. Plus, it gives the option for Nightstar to be present.
Did their daughter not inherit anything or were they able to reverse Barbara's mutation eventually before they had her? Oh, and are they living in Metropolis? I thought he had his company based in Europe to avoid getting too involved with American superheroics.
Now I'm curious to see how that future looks with the influence of supervillain tech being better presented and disseminated.
Agree 100%. Plus, it gives the option for Nightstar to be present.
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Thank you, corrected.
He was captured and tortured by the Joker, but the later events of the film haven't happened yet.
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The DCAU version of the SI, where he hooked up with Cheetah and created a "get supervillains a productive outlet for their genius so they don't go off the rails again" tech company.
This is set 40 - 50 years in the future, during the Batman Beyond era.
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Ooh, the future of 'Justice League Animated' Earth. That means 'Batman Beyond' time! So, once more we visit 'Peter Wynne', now-middle-aged corporate CEO and constructive rehabilitator of certain once-villainous hypercognitives among others...
Adopted daughter or biological? Either way, there's no keeping secrets from a parent like Peter.
And how angry is she expecting him to be about it, I wonder?
Sloppy. I guess whatever happened is big enough to be on all the channels, then.
Do not question decisions made in desperate haste.
And even in this era, there's plenty of Cape stuff to keep them busy.
...Oh, that's bad. Good thing he doesn't have a working Orange Ring handy...
Does he?Oh, someone is going to be in deep legal trouble.
Pays to check the whole article, Peter, not just the headlines. Might miss important details.
And that neatly tells us at least one field Peter's business is working in. I get the feeling a lot of the advancements seen in the Beyond era are down to his company's research being made publically available.
Other people can handle the civil rights stuff. I'm sure there's a long line forming to sue them.
Oh-ho. Who's he going to be yelling at first, hmm?
I mean, if your cutlery drawer is that messy, then maybe it needs tidying?
That is a good point.
I'm guessing things got a bit friendlier since the old 'Batman stole my Ring!' days, eh?
Ah, good to hear that the 'Return of the Joker' didn't happen quite the same way in this timeline. Definitely a mercy for Tim Drake, who came out of that affair poorly in canon. (Edit: Ah, the later part is yet to come? Then let's hope Tim has a better ending here...)
Something the gossip rags are having a grand time speculating about even with valid cover stories.
What, were you hoping he'd tell you? If bats found out about that, Peter would be getting a visit late one night from a very scary old man...
Small hope. Better to err on the side of caution.
And I doubt he ran the procedures involved through the full range of medical certification either.
Heh. There's always a catgirl. Naturally it's one of the most popular cyberpunky body-mods in any universe...
Heh. Of course he struggles with the damned midget computers.
And you can't tell me Peter wouldn't notice a slight resemblance between them.
Hardly hiding it. But then, it's only obvious to those who know the truth about Bruce, isn't it?
Ah, the joy of the Future. (even if it's not as far in the future as it used to be.)
No doubt Bruce was expecting your call, given the overlap involved.
Ah, that thick 'old rivals' energy between them.
Wasting no time getting to it, either. I suppose both are going to be busy enough soon, after all...
If you call some of those results 'worked'. A giant Man-bat is hardly 'working as intended', never mind the giant monster the bad guy turned himself into.
No doubt the new Batman will be keeping a friendly eye on him in passing.
No love lost between these two, eh?
I'll admit, I find the idea of a curmudgeonly 70-something
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The decision to sue on the grounds of use of proprietary technology and not for a civil rights violation is correct. Unless Peter or his employees were the ones who were forcibly spliced by the DA, then neither he nor his company has standing to bring that action to court.
Though his lawyers could reach out to the victims and offer to represent them in their case.
Though his lawyers could reach out to the victims and offer to represent them in their case.
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I really really want to read more of this storyline.
One chapter in end its already so much more interesting then OL or Grayven's current plotline.
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His wife had working DNA splicing technology.
If he didn't use it to get around the whole aging problem that's on him.
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No, the theory is that Barbara's cure was the basis for the cure administered without consent by the DA.
Splicing technology would be what made her the Cheetah in the first place, it just wasn't called that then.
Although Batman's Dr Dorian was experimenting with genetics first, the first known incident of splicing in the DCAU would be Langstrom turning himself into Man-Bat.
Dr Dorian made a talking gorilla, a cat human hybrid, and briefly made Catwoman's nom de guerre literal.
Dr Milo made a lycanthropy serum and a warthog hybrid (after acquiring Langstrom's notes).
Or at least the wiki assumes that all these are applications of the same technology that later got dubbed splicing, I don't recall Batman Beyond making an in character statement about the origins of splicing.
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I... think it's a continuation of the peter wynn timeline, where he formed a company that hired ex-supervillains, and those thanegarians who tried to blow up the world, and worked in the same vicinity as the earth-12 justice league(the ones who were summoned to intervene on crime-syndicate earth against main-OL and blue-paul--14)
But it's shifted forward into the future, around when the Batman Beyond television series was set.
I wonder if there's about to be time travel, or him getting his ring charges and suddenly being much younger, or something.
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I for one hope he found a way to recharge his ring. Maybe via Paragon or one of his alts visiting. After all we know that Paragon goes universe/time line/Alt Earth hoping at some point.
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Going to have a very hard time proving that. Cheetah was far from the first person to experiment with splicing technology in the DCAU. That honor goes to a Dr. Dorian, who started years before anyone else did. Past him you have Dr. Langstrom, and while he apparently burned his notes after his daughter was accidentally turned into She-Bat, somehow a Dr. Milo(who also experimented with splicing) was able to get ahold of them when he worked for Cadmus. Chronologically, Cheetah is probably the fourth in line to start working on splicing, she did it by herself and we don't know if anyone got ahold of her work.
In the DCAU, splicing was not the work of a single lone genius. Several people pioneered the science during the 90s, with the government(via Cadmus) experimenting with it in the early 2000s. As very little of Cuvier's background was ever revealed, for all we know the government eventually declassified much of Cadmus's developments, making them public knowledge and Cuvier simply stepped in and finally perfected the process of genetic splicing using the science and technology of the 2040s.
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Yes, but Peter Wynne has or had a large corporation with lots of lawyers to help him claim ownership of spicing technology and Cheetah was possibly the first high profile person to use it.
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Terry McGinnis becomes Batman in 2039, Cadmus existed back in the 2000s and outside of the magic and metahuman creation/cloning stuff, the technology Cadmus developed has gone on to become part of the foundation of 2040 society. Hell, I remember when in one episode, Terry fought an assassin in a war history museum, and the display model of the first plasma gun looked a lot like the versions Cadmus created(it was even dated to 2005).
It's been decades since the heyday of the Justice League, what was once cutting-edge research and technological developments by a top-secret Government black project has probably been long declassified and made a part of standard genetic research(especially once civilian research started catching up).
Does Cheetah have a claim as one of the first pioneers of the science of splicing? Sure, but she hardly has a monopoly. Not when the average grade-student in the 2040s has access to more advanced and sophisticated genetic manipulation technology then she did working by herself and on a budget sometime before 2001(to say nothing of Milo, Langstrom and Dorian).
Splicing is freakishly easy to do in the DCAU when you think about it. The only thing Cuvier did was develop a method that was fast, safe and reliable, but that was most likely only after building off the work of everyone who worked on it before and using the technology of his time period.
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Well...
Remember that the main part of Return of the Joker is Terry vs Joker. And this is clearly early in Terry's career. Apparently Joker kidnapping Tim took place 40 years before the main events of the film, so...
Now, if Peter is rememebring correctly, though, there are some differences at least, given canon Tim went into telecommunicaitons, not toymaking.
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I totally agree that Cheetah was not the first, nor even the most succesful, of the pioneers into Splicing technology. Here, however, her research and techniques were part of Peter Wynne's company of reformed supervillains.
I do believe that Company predates Cadmus' foundation, and Drs. Dorian, Langstrom and Milo's respective researches were never official nor available to the public. In that case, as an official, patented and copyrighted technology, Barbara's Splicing would be the first one to ve properly reviewed and eventually added to standard genetic research, before Cadmus could even get ahold of Milo and eventually Langstrom's documents.
That doesn't mean that all Splicing in this Batman Beyond is based off of Barbara's, but since that one was the first one presumably available to the general public, I don't see how it wouldn't influence it.
Another point is that Peter Wynne seems particularly incensed by the DA apparently administering without consent a cure for Splicing that would more than likely be based off of Barbara's research, as Stsword mentioned, since that's what she was mostly focusing on once she got with Peter Wynne.
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No, that happened. If I remember the comics correctly, Tim later went to work for Wayne Enterprises after Bruce took it back from Powers.
Her children.
I know what you're referring to, and I'm declaring it non-canon. Waller was just senile.
Assume that while others appeared first, Cheetah was chronologically the first.
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I think there may be two violations. The technology to make people into hybrids and the cure. The first one can probably be fought in court and will be an uphill battle, the second is probably a proprietary technology under patent that the US government just violated. I think the government can get away with it if emergency related powers were invoked, if not then Peters company is owed a sizeable payday.
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Ah so no Bruce being such and such's father through convoluted genetic manipulation? I actually liked that plot point from the JLU show. Plus we got Batman Beyond Damian beating the crap out of his half brother in the comics, so there was that.
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I just recently heard that they originally intended for Terry's father to not be the first of Waller's high tech cuckolds.
That none of the other Bat kids who Phantasm orphaned responded by growing up to be a new Batman, they had other responses to grief and trauma.
And the girls were spared all that because Waller wasn't trying to create Batwoman Beyond.
Which reminds me, they were intending for the new God-King of Apokolips to be Lashina's son by Superman back when he was brainwashed into thinking Darkseid was his father and using the Furies as his harem.
I of course picture him as Conner with a goatee.
That none of the other Bat kids who Phantasm orphaned responded by growing up to be a new Batman, they had other responses to grief and trauma.
And the girls were spared all that because Waller wasn't trying to create Batwoman Beyond.
Which reminds me, they were intending for the new God-King of Apokolips to be Lashina's son by Superman back when he was brainwashed into thinking Darkseid was his father and using the Furies as his harem.
I of course picture him as Conner with a goatee.