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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

He really should be asking why The Reach keeps sending Scarabs at him one at a time instead of sending a hundred or a thousand to just bury him.

Because there's probably a dangerous reason for that.
Paul can Honden teleport and survive his own death. The Reach are patient and still in the information gathering stage. Once they feel like his fights against single Scarabs and other assorted novelties is getting same-y they'll probably try a mass assault once or twice, but right now the probability of that working is low and there are still many more cost-effective ways with which to gain info on Paul.
 
He's goading them. At this point he low-key wants them to go to Earth with angry intent.

Either they all get Anti-Lifed and that solves that, or they run head-on into Home Of The Life Entity Bullcrap and die screaming.

Either way, NEMO wins.

That sounds like asking for trouble. There is no situation on Earth that can't be made worse. May it be by sudden and subtle alien invasion to gain information, or by petty Reach elements deciding to just carpet bomb the place or use it as target practice from the edge of the system.

Unless I'm mistaken, until now I thought the Illustres was hiding in audacity. As in, telling the Reach how much of a death world Earth was so that they would be cautious or think twice before trying to plot something when (not if) they find out his homeworld. I don't think he actually wants them to find out where Earth is, but probably already has taken into account that they will find out eventually.

All I'm saying is, why give more info than necessary? Now his profile has a couple of tabs with names of possible allies/victims/elements of note, when it did not need to, yet.
 
He's goading them. At this point he low-key wants them to go to Earth with angry intent.

Either they all get Anti-Lifed and that solves that, or they run head-on into Home Of The Life Entity Bullcrap and die screaming.

Either way, NEMO wins.
Also Earth is under Guardian protection, so Reach attacking it gets them swarmed by greens.
 
No turning back, after all. Their world is burnt, their people fled to another. Nothing holds them to this world anymore, now they have their goddess' remains. A total cutting of the last threads, a symbolic shedding of childhood. ...Or I'm just reading too much into it. :oops:

It may honestly work for the Ascendant on a metaphysical level.
 
Another enemy I just want to see humbled and killed. She is seriously getting on my nerves.

A little girl voice as the enemy rival?

Why am I suddenly picturing we have been fighting Tanya the Evil this whole time?
I think the Nemesis and this new Little Girl Voice are different Reach officers. He was talking to the Nemesis, then shut him off, and then started contacting a new ship, and that one had the little girl. She's a new character, not the rival.
 
I think the Nemesis and this new Little Girl Voice are different Reach officers. He was talking to the Nemesis, then shut him off, and then started contacting a new ship, and that one had the little girl. She's a new character, not the rival.


This is it, he asked the girl about the nemesis orders/goals and tried to see if the Reach admiral (the girl) is prepared to negotiate and allow Paul to retreat with the few local ships and the corpse of a Titan.

The Reach are gathering data now and will likely develop a cold beam eventually now that they know it exist, keeping Paul in the system revealing his tricks is more valuable than the damage Paul is doing to a few ships.

Without a huge NEMO fleet to help Paul he really can't do much (unless he goes full Greed snake) beyond what he is doing.
 
Fleet Traction (part 8)
1st January 2013
20:50 GMT


The faint whiff of exotic energy and desires changes its angle of approach slightly. We're aware that we're more immaterial than we've allowed ourself to be for a while, and that is making perceiving the desires and drives of the Reachians so obvious that for a moment we can't imagine not seeing them.

I raise my right hand and point at it, keeping my right finger trained on it as I reinforce my construct armour and add a cluster of small railguns for anti-Scarab work. Regular Scarabs… It's not that they're not a threat to me, but it's more on the level that Sodom and Gomorrah are to Kal-El. Yes, they could kill him, but once the initial transmutation didn't work it was pretty obvious which way the fight was going to go.

"I… See… You…"

And… Tiny flecks of-.

Move. Load phasic rounds, fire. Shoot the warp-assisted cold beam at-.

One of the Scarab's drones deactivates its phasic system and fires-.

And my giant cold gun construct is gone. Didn't register any conventional damage. Have they managed to replicate the crumbler effect? Tricky, but-.

Another drone -looks like there are four of them- phases in and fires at my armour. I'm using ablative construct plating instinctively, so I'm not too-.

A whole chunk of armour vanishes, leaving my right shoulder and the upper right portion of my torso exposed.

That wasn't a crumbler.

I shift plates around, taking small x-ionised plates out of subspace in order to-.

I just about spot the shift in desires as another drone phases in and takes a shot. I block this one with a metal plate at about thirty metres from my actual body. Block is… Successful. Looks like whatever that beam is doesn't do much to conventional matter. And the beam is… Light speed.

Rats rats rats.

Alright, I-.

Another drones shoots at the back of my helmet, the intensification of the desires associated with it giving me just enough time to block that shot.

It's behind me.

That means that I no longer have the advantage of my enemy being in a single arc.

"How many years at war with the Green Lantern Corps and now you develop-"

Two shots, two blocks. They're moving to surround me, but multi-channel processing isn't hard for us. Were they expecting someone other than me? Someone not from Earth, or.. just.. not the Illustres. A normal Lantern who had their defensive construct shot out would be a good deal more vulnerable, and even if they recovered they'd go through their ring charge much faster than normal in order to repair it.

"-anti-construct weapons? I mean-"

We block another two shots. It looks like there's a recharge time issue.

"-I'll take it as a sign of how seriously you're taking this."

"How are you tracking our drones?"

Just because I'm not communicating with him, that doesn't mean he can't communicate with me. I was just trying to reach the Scarab, but… Ah, why not?

"How stupid do you-"

Block and block, block and block.

"-think we are?"

"'We'? Are you using an AI, perhaps?"

Fiddlesticks. On the other hand, not exactly a secret-secret. And without using the senses of the Ophidian portion of us, this wouldn't be possible.

"What's an 'AI', really, when you get down to it?"

"Or is it you who's the AI? Is that how you came back from being totally disintegrated?"

"Yes, you've found us-"

Since the drones appear to be holding off for now, let's have another shot at those ships. Can't take another shot with a giant cold gun without it being really obvious, but if gravity manipulation is the order of the day…

"-out. Curses, we are undone. Melon melon melon."

They're abandoning the system anyway.

Beam singularity projector. We have no idea what will happen when we fire this, but-

Drones fire and blocked.

-it should satisfy any number of the desires we feel to find out. Bend space between here and the target and fire!

We hit the central dreadnought and it… Shudders. There's a neat hole where we hit, and a neat hole at the far end. Presumably we hit everything between those two points, though the ship is disrupting our scans-

Blocked.

-too well for us to tell for certain. The ship… Doesn't appear to have changed its acceleration, so perhaps-.

There's a small bloom of heat from inside the ship. Wait, all this gravity manipulation and they can't even disrupt a singularity beam a little? If this whole space-bending thing turns out to be a macro-scale hologram I'm going to be annoyed. Or maybe I was right and the generator is outside of the affected area, and these ships only use gravity manipulation in a more normal way? Either way, I-.

The drones fire at us again, this time joined by the Scarab Warrior. Shots blocked, but I'm being delayed and… And this isn't a viable strategy for anyone who isn't me. And I couldn't do it if there were more drones, or if there was a lot of other things going on. In the brief moment it was in normal space the Scarab itself didn't look anything special. Larger guns mounted on the forearms, but I assume that's just what they're using to disrupt my constructs.

"It's amusing how dependent we become on certain things. The Reach has long relied on our Scarabs to be the last word in humanoid warriors. We scarcely made any effort to improve other weapons at that scale; our regular soldiers are far inferior, despite the fact that our oldest conquests were made with a conventional army."

"The Guardians depend on their Lanterns, despite the fact that they have always been perfectly capable of building both war fleets and other sorts of exotic weapons. That's a weakness that your 'N.E.M.O.' doesn't share. You personally don't rely on your constructs, which is wise of you."

"Thank you. From all of us."

We spot it as the Scarab Warrior prepares to fire once more, and-

-it emerges from its phased state-

and our construct armour vanishes.

"But you do rely on subspace storage. Kill him."
 
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One of the Scarab's scarab drones deactivates its phasic system and fires-.

And my giant cold gun construct is gone. Didn't register any conventional damage. Have they managed to replicate the crumbler effect? Tricky, but-.

Another drone -looks like there are four of them- phases in and fires at my armour. I'm using ablative construct plating instinctively, so I'm not too-.
Please edit for clarity here, because I have no idea what a "Scarab's scarab drone" is supposed to be.
How big it is, what it looks like. They just suddenly get inserted to the combat with no description or explination.

Modern usage has drones as non-persons.
Robotic units either operating from their on board programming, or remote operated from elsewhere.

Here, you talk about OL detection the drones attacks by detecting their emotions.
This does not help.
 
1st January 2013
20:50 GMT


The faint whiff of exotic energy and desires changes its angle of approach slightly. We're aware that we're more immaterial that we've allowed ourself to be for a while, and that is making perceiving the desires and drives of the Reachians so obvious that for a moment we can't imagine not seeing them.

I raise my right hand and point at it, keeping my right finger trained on it as I reinforce my construct armour and add a cluster of small railguns for anti-Scarab work. Regular Scarabs… It's not that they're not a threat to be, but it's more on the level of that Sodom and Gomorrah are to Kal-El. Yes, they could kill him, but once the initial transmutation didn't work it was pretty obvious which way the fight was going to go.
And no doubt the Reach Nemesis is paying very close attention to you. At least being able to see their desires might be useful in the fight to come. Fore-warned is fore-armed and all that. I mean, outside of the basic 'kill you dead!' desire they're no doubt feeling.

"I… See… You…"

And… Tiny flecks of-.
Uh-oh. Incoming!

Move. Load phasic rounds, fire. Shoot the warp-assisted cold beam at-.

One of the Scarab's scarab drones deactivates its phasic system and fires-.
Something very nasty, no doubt. Best to not be where it's aimed.

And my giant cold gun construct is gone. Didn't register any conventional damage. Have they managed to replicate the crumbler effect? Tricky, but-.

Another drone -looks like there are four of them- phases in and fires at my armour. I'm using ablative construct plating instinctively, so I'm not too-.
Somehow, I don't think they replicated the crazy Earth technology directly. That might be a bit too big of a fluke. But replicating its effects might be a little easier. Scarab armouries are very extensive, even without dipping into the more extreme end of the damage scale.

A whole chunk of armour vanishes, leaving my right shoulder and the upper right portion of my torso exposed.

That wasn't a crumbler.
Destroying the constructs en masse, but not affecting the materials beneath? Now there's an exotic effect.

I shift plates around, taking small x-ionised plates out of subspace in order to-.

I just about spot the shift in desires as another drone phases in and takes a shot. I block this one with a metal plate at about thirty metres from my actual body. Block is… Successful. Looks like whatever that beam is doesn't do much to conventional matter. And the beam is… Light speed.
Well, as long as you keep dodging and blocking, it shouldn't be too much trouble.

Rats rats rats.

Alright, I-.

Another drones shoots at the back of my helmet, the intensification of the desires associated with it giving me just enough time to block that shot.
Back-stab denied! Also, rude, if pragmatic.

It's behind me.

That means that I no longer have the advantage of my enemy being in a single arc.
Just means you have to be a little more agile.

"How many years at war with the Green Lantern Corps and now you develop-"

Two shots, two blocks. They've moving to surround me, but multi-channel processing isn't hard for us. Were they expecting someone other than me? Someone not from Earth, or.. just.. not the Illustres. A normal Lantern who had their defensive construct shot out would be a good deal more vulnerable, and even if they recovered they'd go through their ring charge much faster than normal in order to repair it.
True, that first shot might well have messed up a rookie. And they wouldn't have the experience to know better than trying to repeat a failed defensive method.

"-anti-construct weapons now? I mean-"

We block another two shots. It looks like there's a recharge time issue.
So at least they can't rapid-fire, and bury you in whatever it is.

"-I'll take it as a sign of how seriously you're taking this."

"How are you tracking our drones?"
To quote a famous trickster: "Sore wa himitsu desu!"

Just because I'm not communicating with him, that doesn't mean he can't communicate with me. I was just trying to reach the Scarab, but… Ah, why not?

"How stupid do you-"
Mess with them a little more, eh?

Block and block, block and block.

"-do you think we are?"
...Well, you haven't been making the most favourable impression, OL. I'm amazed they consider you as big a threat as they do. :p

"'We'? Are you using an AI, perhaps?"

Fiddlesticks. On the other hand, not exactly a secret-secret. And without using the senses of the Ophidian portion of us, this wouldn't be possible.
Well, technically, Rings do have some measure of artificial intelligence. At least in the Mass Effect 'virtual intelligence' fashion, really.

"What's an 'AI', really, when you get down to it?"

"Or is it you who's the AI? Is that how you came back from being totally disintegrated?"
Sure, go ahead and assume that. Let your analysts argue over that little tidbit for a while.

"Yes, you've found us-"

Since the drones appear to be holding off for now, let's have another shot at those ships. Can't take another shot with a giant cold gun without is being really obvious, but if gravity manipulation is the order of the day…
No doubt the Scarab is running through their options, trying to find something more effective against OL.

"-out. Curses, we are undone. Melon melon melon."

They're abandoning the system anyway.
...That feels like a reference. Sadly, not one I recognise...

Beam singularity projector. We have no idea what will happen when we fire this, but-

Drones fires and blocked.
Oooh, busting out one of the 'apocalypse weapon' options, eh? :D Not something you can safely use around anything you want to keep, is it?

it should satisfy any number of the desires we feel to find out. Bend space between here and the target and fire!

We hit the central dreadnought and it… Shudders. There's a neat hole where we hit, and a neat hole at the far end. Presumably we hit everything between those two points, though the ship is disrupting our scans-
Aw, no rippling explosions running up the length of the ship? How disappointing.

Blocked.

-too well for us to tell for certain. The ship… Doesn't appear to have changed its acceleration, so perhaps-.
To be fair, even if you atomised it, the particles would still carry on their existing vector. Losing power does not equal 'slow to a stop' in space, after all. ;)

There's a small bloom of heat from inside the ship. Wait, all this gravity manipulation and they can't even disrupt a singularity beam a little? Is this whole space-bending thing turns out to be a macro-scale hologram I'm going to be annoyed. Or maybe I was right and the generator is outside of the affected area, and these ships only use gravity manipulation in a more normal way? Either way, I-.
Or they were expecting to be able to block it, but couldn't because your spacewarp maybe went under their shield envelope?

The drones fire at us again, this time joined by the Scarab Warrior. Shots blocked, but I'm being delayed and… And this isn't a viable strategy for anyone who isn't me. And I couldn't do it if there were more drones, or if there was a lot of other things going on. In the brief moment it was in normal space the Scarab itself didn't look anything special. Larger guns mounted on the forearms, but I assume that's just what they're using to disrupt my constructs.
And quite likely your body, if it hit you while you were a little Tang-flavoured. Don't discount anything they might do.

"It's amusing how dependent we become on certain things. The Reach has long relied on our Scarabs to be the last word in humanoid warriors. We scarcely made any effort to improve other weapons at that scale; our regular soldiers are far inferior, despite the fact that our oldest conquests were made with a conventional army."

"The Guardians depend on their Lanterns, despite the fact that they have always been perfectly capable of building both war fleets and other sorts of exotic weapons. That's a weakness that your 'N.E.M.O.' doesn't share. You personally don't rely on your constructs, which is wise of you."
True, NEMO probably is the first real joint-operations force involving Ring-wielders and conventional military platforms. Outside of single Lanterns working with a local fleet, anyway.

"Thank you. From all of us."

We spot it as the Scarab Warrior prepares to fire once more, and-
No doubt got something nasty planned. Don't get cocky, OL.

-it emerges from its phased state-

and our construct armour vanishes.

"But you do rely on subspace storage. Kill him."
Hmm. Broad-spectrum energy disruptor targetting his constructs? And that line about subspace... Oooh, are they trying to prevent him from using it?

I have the feeling the Nemesis thinks they've found an exploitable weakness. Maybe all those easily-blocked drone attacks were simply giving them scan data to isolate whatever energy matrix he uses to access subspace? And they think that depriving him of it means he's helpless? :D Boy, are they ever in for a shock. On the other hand, his construct armour vanishing could be bad...


Some errors, Mr Zoat.
We're aware that we're more immaterial that we've allowed ourself to be for a while...
We're aware that we're more immaterial than we've allowed ourself to be for a while...
"How many years at war with the Green Lantern Corps and now you develop-"
"
-anti-construct weapons now? I mean-"
One of these is extraneous.
Can't take another shot with a giant cold gun without is being really obvious...
Can't take another shot with a giant cold gun without it being really obvious...
Drones fires and blocked.
Drones fire and blocked.
Is this whole space-bending thing turns out to be...
If this whole space-bending thing turns out to be...
 
I have more to say about this. Isn't the subspace something that was broken into earlier by bona-fide DC earth mad scientists then got told how to lock it by said mad scientists? Uh...I could also see this not going the way the reach wants more.
yeah, and if the Reach think they are better then mad scientist then they are in for a rude wake up call

it still hilarious how many of the shit Paul deal with on Earth is way tougher then all the other crap he seen in the wider universe
 
...I feel like the zero degrees ray gun is not being treated seriously.

There are explosive effects when the temperature changes rapidly enough, side effects if something gets too cold, consequences for trying to reverse said temperature, etc...

But every single foe seems to just get a bit Frosty and then walk it off!

A ray gun that instantaneously dropped something down to absolute zero should be close to a nuclear weapon or worse in damage scale, yes? Not just another laser gun that people seem to ignore during every battle.
 
Wwll, you have done such stupid things before.
Add a . at the end.
be -> me
They've -> They're
Thank you, corrected.
Please edit for clarity here, because I have no idea what a "Scarab's scarab drone" is supposed to be.
Like this.
How big it is, what it looks like. They just suddenly get inserted to the combat with no description or explanation.

Modern usage has drones as non-persons.
Robotic units either operating from their on board programming, or remote operated from elsewhere.

Here, you talk about OL detection the drones attacks by detecting their emotions.
No I don't. I talk about the SI detecting drones by the emotions associated with them.
We're aware that we're more immaterial than we've allowed ourself to be for a while...
One of these is extraneous.
Can't take another shot with a giant cold gun without it being really obvious...
Drones fire and blocked.
If this whole space-bending thing turns out to be...
Thank you, corrected.
...I feel like the zero degrees ray gun is not being treated seriously.

There are explosive effects when the temperature changes rapidly enough, side effects if something gets too cold, consequences for trying to reverse said temperature, etc...

But every single foe seems to just get a bit Frosty and then walk it off!

A ray gun that instantaneously dropped something down to absolute zero should be close to a nuclear weapon or worse in damage scale, yes? Not just another laser gun that people seem to ignore during every battle.
Leonard doesn't want to kill people. As a result, he uses his gun to fire a sort of gel and then freeze the gel around people. He only uses the more powerful setting to create cold zones to slow the Flash down.

The SI lacks his restraint.
 
...I feel like the zero degrees ray gun is not being treated seriously.
There are explosive effects when the temperature changes rapidly enough, side effects if something gets too cold, consequences for trying to reverse said temperature, etc...
But every single foe seems to just get a bit Frosty and then walk it off!
A ray gun that instantaneously dropped something down to absolute zero should be close to a nuclear weapon or worse in damage scale, yes? Not just another laser gun that people seem to ignore during every battle.
Absolute zero is not an achievable temperature in real life, just like a perfect vacuum isn't, nor is knowing the position and momentum of a particle exactly, or reaching lightspeed with a particle of mass, or having a perfectly efficient energy conversion that doesn't create entropy. The universe really hates the numbers zero and infinity, and is willing to do fairly dramatic things to avoid having to talk about them.
As things cool, you spend disproportionately more energy trying to keep pumping the remaining heat out of them. Our best cooling machines actually use intersecting lasers to form standing waves that trap an individual particle and dampen its movement towards the only stable position between the beams. This is how we cool particles so much that they can collapse into Bose-Einstein Condensates, which is where the particles basically stop being real entirely an exist only as quantum possibilities all sitting on top of each other. It should also be mentioned that this is an extremely exergonic state, extremely unstable, and it wants to violently implode/explode harder than even antimatter does to not have such an insane energy gradient between itself and the outside universe. If you could actually cool something to absolute zero, this would mean knowing its velocity perfectly: Zero. And that means nobody in the universe would have any fucking clue where it is anymore. You would have quantum teleported each particle in its form everywhere in the universe simultaneously with a quantum distribution that will probably never be resolved. Absolute zero does not make people go into stasis. It unmakes them. The scarab's implicate order annihilation field might be less disruptive.
 
Absolute zero is not an achievable temperature in real life, just like a perfect vacuum isn't, nor is knowing the position and momentum of a particle exactly, or reaching lightspeed with a particle of mass, or having a perfectly efficient energy conversion that doesn't create entropy. The universe really hates the numbers zero and infinity, and is willing to do fairly dramatic things to avoid having to talk about them.
As things cool, you spend disproportionately more energy trying to keep pumping the remaining heat out of them. Our best cooling machines actually use intersecting lasers to form standing waves that trap an individual particle and dampen its movement towards the only stable position between the beams. This is how we cool particles so much that they can collapse into Bose-Einstein Condensates, which is where the particles basically stop being real entirely an exist only as quantum possibilities all sitting on top of each other. It should also be mentioned that this is an extremely exergonic state, extremely unstable, and it wants to violently implode/explode harder than even antimatter does to not have such an insane energy gradient between itself and the outside universe. If you could actually cool something to absolute zero, this would mean knowing its velocity perfectly: Zero. And that means nobody in the universe would have any fucking clue where it is anymore. You would have quantum teleported each particle in its form everywhere in the universe simultaneously with a quantum distribution that will probably never be resolved. Absolute zero does not make people go into stasis. It unmakes them. The scarab's implicate order annihilation field might be less disruptive.
You had to bring real science into it.
 
Reach? Adapting? And not just using a predescribed plan? Will wonders never cease.

"-out. Curses, we are undone. Melon melon melon."

Not sure if it's the cold medicine, but this certainly made me laugh.

Absolute zero is not an achievable temperature in real life, just like a perfect vacuum isn't, nor is knowing the position and momentum of a particle exactly, or reaching lightspeed with a particle of mass, or having a perfectly efficient energy conversion that doesn't create entropy. The universe really hates the numbers zero and infinity, and is willing to do fairly dramatic things to avoid having to talk about them.
As things cool, you spend disproportionately more energy trying to keep pumping the remaining heat out of them. Our best cooling machines actually use intersecting lasers to form standing waves that trap an individual particle and dampen its movement towards the only stable position between the beams. This is how we cool particles so much that they can collapse into Bose-Einstein Condensates, which is where the particles basically stop being real entirely an exist only as quantum possibilities all sitting on top of each other. It should also be mentioned that this is an extremely exergonic state, extremely unstable, and it wants to violently implode/explode harder than even antimatter does to not have such an insane energy gradient between itself and the outside universe. If you could actually cool something to absolute zero, this would mean knowing its velocity perfectly: Zero. And that means nobody in the universe would have any fucking clue where it is anymore. You would have quantum teleported each particle in its form everywhere in the universe simultaneously with a quantum distribution that will probably never be resolved. Absolute zero does not make people go into stasis. It unmakes them. The scarab's implicate order annihilation field might be less disruptive.

IRL Physics took one look at all the brightly colored spandex and ran the other way. While incorporating stuff from real science can enrich a story, I don't come to superhero comics for realistic physics. In fact 'superhero story with hyper realistic physics' tends to be something that makes me go the other way.
 
Please edit for clarity here, because I have no idea what a "Scarab's scarab drone" is supposed to be.
How big it is, what it looks like. They just suddenly get inserted to the combat with no description or explination.

It's a scarab drone used by a scarab. For more information, see DC Comix issue number...
 

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