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XF2 upgrade

Discussion in 'Suggestions & Bugs' started by Walkir, Oct 9, 2019.

  1. macdjord

    macdjord Well worn.

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    That doesn't preclude giving regular updates on what progress is or is not being made.
     
  2. Darrenb209

    Darrenb209 Only way to survive is keeping your eyes on screen

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    It might actually, depending on what agreement they have with Xon and how often they communicate with them.
     
  3. MissileTeatime

    MissileTeatime By the power of Vaporware!

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    "No further progress since last update" still counts as an update. If we got an update every two months or something, even if that update was "nothing to report", I would be a lot less annoyed about the seeming double-speak about the upgrade progress.
     
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  4. ultima333

    ultima333 Happy Sunflower Time Administrator

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    It's been waiting on me for a few weeks, sorry.
    Xon got the upgrade tested and stuff but needs alethiophile and I to go through and check permissions settings to make sure nothing got borked up in the transfer.

    I haven't had the brainpower in my offtime to devote to it, the holidays have been pretty hectic, I'll try and get it done this weekend or next weekend.
     
  5. MissileTeatime

    MissileTeatime By the power of Vaporware!

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    Hey, not screwing it up is as important as getting it done. Push it back a week or two if you need to, just give us an update on like the last weekend of January or the first weekend of February or something.
     
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  6. MissileTeatime

    MissileTeatime By the power of Vaporware!

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  7. macdjord

    macdjord Well worn.

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    Any update on this?
     
  8. Mana_Knight_Jorin

    Mana_Knight_Jorin The Mana Knight

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    I hope not.
     
  9. Silvercrystal

    Silvercrystal That’s no Moon, It’s a Moderator! Moderator

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    Last I heard our Admins needed to find time to go through a few things (IDK what or how long). Then probably need Xon to find time to do more stuff (rampant speculation on my part).

    On a side note the unplanned qq outage (last Thursday) was caused by a bug on the XF2 test build of QQ (which crashed both)

    There now everyone is all caught up. :D
     
  10. macdjord

    macdjord Well worn.

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    We're running on software that hasn't been updated in about 4 years. Forgive me if I'd rather we update before some script kiddie uses a known security flaw to wipe the entire site 'for teh lulz'.
     
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  11. magic9mushroom

    magic9mushroom BEST END.

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    "For teh moralz" would probably be more likely, either over porn generally or specifically the lolis getting lewded.
     
  12. ultima333

    ultima333 Happy Sunflower Time Administrator

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    There was a vulnerability Xon had disclosed to XF devs for the version we're on, but Xon had done a manual mitigation for it, so we're clear on that front.

    It's been a while since Xon has been able to do work on it, so now he has to do some more work (because things updated, lmao)
    But it was also yes, pending something Aleth/myself needed to do, too. I'll go ahead and do that bit tonight.
     
  13. searcher8

    searcher8 Are you trying to harden my Nanomachines Son?

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    Real talk, I genuinely don't get the hate that Xenforo 2 gets. Granted, the only sites I go to that use it at the moment are SB and SV, but I distinctly remember that both of those sites when they were running on Xenforo 1 looked at least 98% identical to how they ended up looking after their Xenforo 2 upgrades. I think there was some minor stuff, like sticky headers, and some weird stuff with how user avatars would move on the page as you scroll down? But in all of those cases there were and are options in the user preference options page to revert back to how things were, so that's not really a meaningful issue.
     
  14. AztecCroc

    AztecCroc Not too sore, are you?

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    Some of the bigger ones:
    • The entire way the like bar works (mind you, given how it works on Smogon, the shitty way that gets displayed on SB seems to be a deliberate choice for some reason).
    • The loss of many of the forum styles.
    • The changes to how profile pics work.
     
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  15. Nicodemus

    Nicodemus Mr. Archleone Gone for Good

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    I just want to keep the same Blackend-Blue theme I have now. Easy on the eyes.
     
  16. Bludflag

    Bludflag Not too sore, are you?

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    I had the meaningful issue of XF2 update completely bricking SV for me for a couple months while Xon was working out the kinks; loading any page took five minutes and making replies was a hopeless endeavor. Since I couldn’t use the forum to forum, I went there less and less and now my SV account is abandoned. Not out of malice or anything, but out of habit by now. So yes, upgrades can get ragged on in user experience perspectives for legit reasons.
     
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  17. macdjord

    macdjord Well worn.

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    a) 'The site was unusable for 5 months' is not a 'user experience' issue, b) Xon has, in fact, worked out those kinks by now, so it's not particularly relevant to whether QQ should upgrade or not, and c) I was using SV all throughout the upgrade period and never experienced anything like that.
     
  18. CrossyCross

    CrossyCross LADY OF LOVE

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    Xenforo 2 textbox is shit. SHIIIIIT

    Like holy shit I hate typing on SB. It keeps fucking up whenever I try to use italics/bolds/etc. And the stuff like spoilers are all in bothersome dropboxes.
     
  19. magic9mushroom

    magic9mushroom BEST END.

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    Huh, I guess some people do use the WYSIWYG editor. I just have most BBcode memorised.

    EDIT: Derp, meant WYSIWYG.
     
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  20. searcher8

    searcher8 Are you trying to harden my Nanomachines Son?

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    o_Oo_Oo_O

    I straight up don't see any real difference between the Xenforo 2 textbox and the one on QQ.
     
  21. macdjord

    macdjord Well worn.

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    Back in my day, we didn't have no fancy WYSIWYG editor. We typed in our own damned BBCode. Uphill! Both ways! And we goddamn liked it! *grumbles in old man*

    Edit: More seriously, same. I got started in the PhpBB days, so I mostly type out the codes manually even now.
     
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  22. AztecCroc

    AztecCroc Not too sore, are you?

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    On a computer there isn't really a difference, on mobile however? SB's is godawful, trying to use anything from the top bar is a pain in the ass because it treats it as part of the fucking text box and freaks out every single time you hit one of them.

    The dropdowns are even worse since they freak out multiple times (when you open them and when you hit the option in them), and you have to hope that scrolling back up to hit the option in the dropdown doesn't accidentally close the fucking thing.

    Not to mention trying to select the text to apply the thing in the first place.

    The XF1 textbox is significantly better than the XF2 one on mobile.
     
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  23. magic9mushroom

    magic9mushroom BEST END.

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    I mean, I think vBulletin had a WYSIWYG? That was the standard when I started. I think I learned the BBcode because it's tricky to fuck around with quotes in WYSIWYG. I've an eidetic memory, so memorising it wasn't too hard, but I imagine it'd be harder for others.
     
  24. Bludflag

    Bludflag Not too sore, are you?

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    Well, yes, obviously, as is implicit in the statement "the account now lies abandoned out of habit."
    Cool, but I was using a midrange Android phone. My brother had the same issues IIRC with a tablet, so it seems it was about Android in general? I didn’t have issues on PC either, despite my PC at the time being roughly on par with my phone (it was pretty old).
     
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  25. CrossyCross

    CrossyCross LADY OF LOVE

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    Spacebattles fullscreen is also full retard.

    Fullscreen is supposed to be fullscreen, not THIS.
    My problem with the XF2 textbox remains the same.

    Buttons are far less convenient (dropboxes are stupid and are especially inconvenient on a phone!, and also the their functions like spoiler? Require additional internet input unlike QQ immediately having it available even offline!), the typing has lag when you're using text modifiers, and once more, the fullscreen is full retard.


    Keep the textbox and I'd be happy, but I'm worried that's not gonna be the case.
     
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  26. Mana_Knight_Jorin

    Mana_Knight_Jorin The Mana Knight

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    [​IMG]

    You are not alone.

    I hate Xen 2 with a passion.

    If this place does switch over then I'm leaving.
     
  27. magic9mushroom

    magic9mushroom BEST END.

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    So you're Harold Saxon? :V
     
  28. Darrenb209

    Darrenb209 Only way to survive is keeping your eyes on screen

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    So I've got to ask, are we moving soon? Not that I want to put pressure on the staff but either there's background shit going on or the sites been trying to kill itself for a few weeks now. Usually it's fine and then other times you'll just get odd errors usually tied to trying to access a page that's been sitting open too long without activity even though it just opened or none of the theme actually showing... or worse, random parts of the theme working but not all of it.
     
  29. Mana_Knight_Jorin

    Mana_Knight_Jorin The Mana Knight

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    If it's just you it's affecting...

    You might have been "Discouraged".

    It's an option in the Admin section.

    Discouraged

    Discouraged users are subjected to annoying random delays and failures in system behavior, designed to 'encourage' them to go away and troll some other site.

    Alternatively, you may use IP-based discouragement.

    Discourage IP

    IP to Discourage:

    You may enter a partial IP address (v4 or v6 format). Partial IPv4 addresses can be entered in the form of 192.168.* or 192.168.1.1/16. Partial IPv6 addresses may be entered in the form of 2001:db8::/32.
     
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  30. ultima333

    ultima333 Happy Sunflower Time Administrator

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    It is "in progress"*

    * pending Xon, and alethiophile was looking into making a text editor closer to the XF1 one.

    We are not using any discouragement features.
    There have been some service hiccups lately- we are also looking into upgrading our host again.

    Themes will be a bit of an issue- because they kinda need customization more than before, we're probably going to scale back on number of available themes.

    I'll make sure we get a good dark theme though. (I use Blackened Purple right now)