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On a Pale Horse (Umamusume/Youjo Senki)

I don't think Tanya's going to be that stubborn. But it will be funny to see her competing until she's 30. Of course, the only races she competes in at that age are 3km+ races, where she is an eternal menace to the dreams of young umamusume.
Young Uma: "She's about forty years old and has had like three kids right? How hard can it be to beat an old hag like that, you're all being silly."


View: https://youtu.be/Su_64bHjGjk?si=RoXRQsnkkJ-FAhu8&t=7

Young Uma: "So mistakes were made."
 
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As funny as that is Tanya is more likely to start looking to transition for a "real" job by then.
Remember that she is very career driven and probably knows that her racing career is basically a short job before she probably inherits the Family Restaurant.
She does have a real job by then. Competing in 3km+ races is her hobby. International G1 3km races are where she takes her vacations 🤣

"Is that Umamusume wearing an apron?"

"Oh, you don't know? That's the boss lady of Suzukiya, down the road there."

"What?"

"Makes really good pierogies. Though you've probably heard that already."

"No, no, isn't she like nearly forty? I swear my grandpa used to watch her race."

"Oh, yeah, looks good for her age, don't you think?"

"She's an umamusume, they all look good for their age-- that's besides the point! How is she still racing?"

"Whaddaya mean? She ran the Ascot Gold Cup last month. Won it too."

"..."

"It's about four kilometers, I heard."

"..."

"She's probably gonna win this one too, which means the old boss will make free pierogies after the performance. Do you feel like going?"

"...Sure. I give up trying to make sense of this."
 
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Yep Maruzensky is totally a teenager. Completely convincing.

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From what I vaguely remember from the game, it was phrased as like "the first three years of the career are super important' and if you win the career, you continue as their trainer, but if you fail you're out.

Yup, those first three years are super important cause it's when they're most visible and when they're still eligible for those prestigious handicap races. Nobody wants to talk about an uma that's never placed, though if it's a compelling underdog story, perhaps they could get voted into the Arima Kinen.

It should be said that there are well-known horses that didn't do well in their first three years, since horses mature at different rates. Famously McQueen didn't win anything big until the autumn of his second year of competition when he suddenly became the best long distance stayer in Japan for the next year and a half. It's usually expected for a future G1 winner to win a few G2 or G3 races, especially since those are usually qualifying races for the big G1s, but McQueen won his debut and then lost his next three starts (all ungraded races...) before finally winning two Open grade races and then randomly winning the Kikuka Sho with a very respectable time of 3:06.2. I imagine if he had not won the Kikuka Sho, he would have been retired and wouldn't have run his senior year.

Also, although it's not mentioned much, raising a racehorse is expensive. Like seriously, usually the only people owning, raising, training and racing horses are rich businessmen, oil tycoons or organizations whose whole operations revolve around selling to the former two. Horses with a strong pedigree might get some leeway in terms of how long early on counts as, but I imagine three years is the limit before they get retired to become a broodmare or become a riding horse for rookie jockeys to train with.
 
It's also mentioned a couple times in the anime that there's another league for uma who are finished with their initial league, iirc Gold Ship "retires" to it during the anime.
 
It's also mentioned a couple times in the anime that there's another league for uma who are finished with their initial league, iirc Gold Ship "retires" to it during the anime.
The Dream Series/League (I forget which). It's essentially an all-star league that's more "corporate" from what I remember.
 
because I think it would be very difficult to extract personal information from her
Not really. Shirogane is in a comfortable environment with low stakes in her mind, and there's really nothing objectionable or to be ashamed about in regards to her family circumstances or much of her life. The thing she's going to be specifically cagey about is that she really doesn't get the joy in running like most other Tracen students, and that's mostly to avoid attracting unwanted attention.

The main reason that most of her classmates know quite little about her personally is that she doesn't volunteer much information, and the others usually don't ask, the more polite ones tending to interpret this as her not wanting to talk about it, while the more rambunctious ones generally forgetting about it quickly.

She's still fairly unknown, so it will take time for that to develop.

I wonder how people found that out. Did Spica's trainer commit bad touch again.
Shiro's "secret right hook" was discovered the first time she was in the gate at the Academy. She punched the speaker into oblivion when the gun went off.
Taiki Shuttle's also one of Hana's trainees and probably heard about the speaker punching incident from the others so that's why she knew about it to put it on there.
Yeah it went like this. Probably the most embarrassing thing Shirogane went through while at Tracen so far, though most people were more surprised how her hand was completely fine after smashing the speaker.

Her feet are actually a bit on the larger side for her size.

...what does that even mean? Color of what Image?
It's the colors listed on the profiles of most of the in game umamusume, and mostly correlates to the color of the jockey silks for the irl horse. I don't know a great way to put the actual color into QQ so I used the hex code for the colors.

edit. I changed the font color to the color designated by the hex code, lol.

Birthdate being 4/4 is perfect. For those unaware, which is probably a small amount at this point, 4 in Japan is unlucky because it sounds like their word for death
She's also died twice.

Why does it sound a lot like all uma races are restricted to high school students?
Or do uma musume peak as racers in their late teens, and older uma simply can't keep up?
Where the comparison falls apart is that race horses peak at age 5, translating to a racing career 3-4 years long
There's probably a number of factors, such as a typical career being comparable to the span of high school, and horses generally being in their prime for racing in young adulthood, combined with the ubiquitous nature of high school settings in Japanese media and some cultural nostalgia for that timeframe of life perhaps combining with nostalgia for the careers of famous horses.

But that does not translate well to human-horse hybrids. I suppose we can say, in this setting, musume are only permitted to race the Triple Crown within two years of their professional debut. And if we further say that musume hit physical peak much younger than humans, it makes sense for 15 year olds to be racing at the highest levels.
This is another reason that having it be tied to school makes some sense, since the Triple Crown circuit would be locked into their second year. And yeah I'm going with that umas mature significantly faster than normal humans, so their high school years is generally their peak at least in respect for raw speed.

And the industry should be full of "track specialists". Uma musume who are past their peak (so, actual legal adults) and can no longer win in most races, but who, through sheer experience, keep winning and qualifying on one particular track.
Interestingly enough, in irl most of the horses with long careers were not actually incredibly successful, usually with some wins, but not some big ones. Basically good enough to justify seeing if they could win something, but not good enough that their value as a stud or broodmare is worth retiring them. So if we relay that over into umamusume, there are probably a number of older umas on the circuit who are basically gate fillers.

In canon, it was acknowledged that umas mature much faster than humans do. Combine that faster maturity with increased lifetime performance and you'd get a people that have shorter lifespans too.
If that were a thing, then no one would be happy about their daughter being an uma musume
So, uma musume with their faster maturity reach their physical peak at around 16-17, and are usually retired by... 20 sounds about right, almost certainly due to wear and tear.
Even if they have a shorter lifespan, the fact they are stronger and faster would mean that the parents probably aren't going to be particularly upset about it, especially in rural areas where a lot of physical labor is still needed. Yes, I imagine it would be a lot more troublesome to have an uma kid in an urban area, but there is also the fact that until relatively recently, the life expectancy for humans was something around 65 (which is why that was set for retirement age), so throughout most of history it would not have seemed as such a big difference, while the accelerated maturity would have been viewed as a more than acceptable tradeoff.

Horses are generally tougher than humans, but there are a lot of things they don't heal from as easily, so the physical strain is definitely a part of the reason for their relatively short careers, and with how competitive irl horses and umamusume can be, they are more likely to push themselves beyond what is probably safe during their career. Shirogane does not have this problem.

There might also be an expectation, whether biological or social, that umas settle down and have kids quickly, given that irl successful racehorses are retired fairly early to breeding duty, so in umamusume land it could be that due to accelerated maturity, umas hit the baby crazy stage earlier, so thus by the time most finish high school, the drive for having kids becomes stronger. It could also be societal pressure since the uma population is quite low relative to humans.

It's been mentioned by that traffic cop in the early chapters that umas maintain their youthful appearance for longer than humans.
To clarify, he was referencing how there are umas with very small adult sizes, so you can't judge age by size alone.
 
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So, question for people that care about IRL horses.

Has any horse come in second in all the three triple crown/tiara races?

Because if not, especially if Shiro does so in all six (as some have theorized), she might be known as the Silver Crown/Silver Princess.
 
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So, question for people that care about IRL horses.

Has any horse come in second in all the three triple crown/tiara races?

Because if not, especially if Shiro does so in all six (as some have theorized), she might be known as the Silver Crown/Silver Princess.
I don't know about second in all three, but Samson Big rather infamously finished dead last in all three races of that years Triple Crown.
 
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She's still fairly unknown, so it will take time for that to develop.
Just expecting someone to start annoying her by calling her "Bird Up", "Big Bird", and/or "Birdo". The announcers end up hearing it and she may not stop hearing it.

though most people were more surprised how her hand was completely fine after smashing the speaker.
Eh, she's an UmaMusume. They need durability to resist their own strength. Probably should be more concerned about electrocution.

She's also died twice.
Next life will be reborn in 444 followed by something else on 4/4/2044.

So, question for people that care about IRL horses.

Has any horse come in second in all the three triple crown/tiara races?

Because if not, especially if Shiro does so in all six (as some have theorized), she might be known as the Silver Crown/Silver Princess.
Uh, Nice Nature is infamous for always being third place? Not sure if he ever raced for Triple Crown or came third there to.

Should be noted there's two Threads for general UmaMusume Discussions. It's on the NSFW side though:
 
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in umamusume land it could be that due to accelerated maturity, umas hit the baby crazy stage earlier, so thus by the time most finish high school, the drive for having kids becomes stronger. It could also be societal pressure since the uma population is quite low relative to humans.

This reminds me of that video of how to survive Uma's in heat.
 
Has any horse come in second in all the three triple crown/tiara races?

Off the top of my head... Verxina came second to Gentildonna in all three legs of the Triple Tiara. She's eternally bitter about being Miss Second Place, even though she won the Victoria Mile back to back. Guess it goes to show the levels between a Triple Tiara winner and a regular G1 winner.

If you're asking how she might view the nonchalance with which Shirogane would take being in a similar situation, I'd hazard a guess and say something halfway between bewilderment and anger.

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I just went to check, Verxina actually came second to Gentildonna four times in a row in 2012: the Oka Sho, Japanese Oaks, Rose Stakes and Shuka Sho. Then she came second in the QE2 Cup, which Gentildonna skipped in favour of thrashing Orfevre at the Japan Cup... To finish second five times in one year is brutal, but losing the only race the overlord of your generation skipped is devastating.
 
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Even if they have a shorter lifespan, the fact they are stronger and faster would mean that the parents probably aren't going to be particularly upset about it, especially in rural areas where a lot of physical labor is still needed. Yes, I imagine it would be a lot more troublesome to have an uma kid in an urban area, but there is also the fact that until relatively recently, the life expectancy for humans was something around 65 (which is why that was set for retirement age), so throughout most of history it would not have seemed as such a big difference, while the accelerated maturity would have been viewed as a more than acceptable tradeoff.

Horses are generally tougher than humans, but there are a lot of things they don't heal from as easily, so the physical strain is definitely a part of the reason for their relatively short careers, and with how competitive irl horses and umamusume can be, they are more likely to push themselves beyond what is probably safe during their career. Shirogane does not have this problem.

There might also be an expectation, whether biological or social, that umas settle down and have kids quickly, given that irl successful racehorses are retired fairly early to breeding duty, so in umamusume land it could be that due to accelerated maturity, umas hit the baby crazy stage earlier, so thus by the time most finish high school, the drive for having kids becomes stronger. It could also be societal pressure since the uma population is quite low relative to humans.
The anime staff clarified in April of 2018 that Umamusume are 'like elves'. Presumably this means just that they age gracefully and do not have a decreased lifespan in comparison to humans, which makes sense given they are basically being rewarded by gods.


That said, I think people underestimate the fact that Umamusume are indeed idols as much as they are racers and because gambling on their races is not legal the economics behind their career actually leans more toward the idol side of things, barring a few exceptions a fresh face will sell more merch and stir up more excitement and the businesses will be pushed to accommodate that.

So beyond the very real wear and tear of racing which I depicted in setting and very serious, you probably have people pushing older Umamusume to give way to the younger more profitable models.

I mentioned it earlier in the thread, but if the 'stud/broodmare' career thing is mirrored in the setting, popular racing Umamusume are likely incredibly hot marriage prospects among the elite.
 
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Even if they have a shorter lifespan, the fact they are stronger and faster would mean that the parents probably aren't going to be particularly upset about it, especially in rural areas where a lot of physical labor is still needed. Yes, I imagine it would be a lot more troublesome to have an uma kid in an urban area, but there is also the fact that until relatively recently, the life expectancy for humans was something around 65 (which is why that was set for retirement age), so throughout most of history it would not have seemed as such a big difference, while the accelerated maturity would have been viewed as a more than acceptable tradeoff.

Horses are generally tougher than humans, but there are a lot of things they don't heal from as easily, so the physical strain is definitely a part of the reason for their relatively short careers, and with how competitive irl horses and umamusume can be, they are more likely to push themselves beyond what is probably safe during their career
I don't really jive with the idea that uma would have shorter lifespans, in my mind they should have the strengths of both humans and horses, which is why they can recover from breaking bones and not be put down. They would naturally have closer to a human lifespan.
 
Given this is QQ, it's slightly surprising I haven't seen Futa uma's brought up (I believe in the game you set up your Uma's ancestry for bonuses no?). That said, none of the anime really make sense I think given there's probs tons and tons of Umas that were related in some way (parent/child) attending the academy at the same time, potentially just a year or two apart.

So it's just one of those things where the setting clashes with the plausability of reality, though I suppose those are the horses "past lives", yet you also have racing families... it's honestly a bit blurgh.

Oguri Cap's mother in CG is an Uma but she also does all the massaging and care her IRL Groomer/caretaker did, unless that was the trainer...
 
The thing she's going to be specifically cagey about is that she really doesn't get the joy in running like most other Tracen students, and that's mostly to avoid attracting unwanted attention.
Is it that she gets no joy or that she sees no true value in it? Because it feelsnlike shw does enjoy running and winning, but she doesn't see valuenin it outside of whatbit can do for her family.
But my read might be bad.
 
Probably because this isn't in the NSFW section?
Huh, you're right. I sometimes get confused on this site due to how much in the nsfw section just kinda isn't, so it's hard to remember if the story you're reading is in one section or the other unless it has explicit smut in it.
Edit: A lot of fics put it there just in case, but most of those don't need it. Though that's a personal opinion.
 
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The thing she's going to be specifically cagey about is that she really doesn't get the joy in running like most other Tracen students, and that's mostly to avoid attracting unwanted attention.
I thought that she did take joy in running, but not specifically racing; she'd be just as happy running errands for her family restaurant if it paid the same amount. Or is that take incorrect?
 
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The anime staff clarified in April of 2018 that Umamusume are 'like elves'. Presumably this means just that they age gracefully and do not have a decreased lifespan in comparison to humans, which makes sense given they are basically being rewarded by gods.
The comparison was more for them being physically superior, "Human+" if you will. The Reddit you Linked also is misleading given they do explicitly compare them to elves, Tolkien elves specifically. It's also why I'm of the Opinion they simply are better at maintaining sport performance then humans rather then "quicker maturity means shorter lives" (alongside that not actually making sense to me).

That said, I think people underestimate the fact that Umamusume are indeed idols as much as they are racers and because gambling on their races is not legal the economics behind their career actually leans more toward the idol side of things, barring a few exceptions a fresh face will sell more merch and stir up more excitement and the businesses will be pushed to accommodate that.
Pretty sure gambling is still a thing if the Setting didn't rely upon dream logic. At best more hush-hush.

Although I do wonder how Shiro is handling the singing and dancing classes. Assuming that hasn't come up, I need to actually catch up but I have like a hundred different things I'm Reading now.

Given this is QQ, it's slightly surprising I haven't seen Futa uma's brought up (I believe in the game you set up your Uma's ancestry for bonuses no?). That said, none of the anime really make sense I think given there's probs tons and tons of Umas that were related in some way (parent/child) attending the academy at the same time, potentially just a year or two apart.
Check the Section. Also:
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The Links are to the NSFW side btw.

Oguri Cap's mother in CG is an Uma but she also does all the massaging and care her IRL Groomer/caretaker did, unless that was the trainer...
Everyone really. Her bestie and minder, Belno Light, fulfills numerous roles alongside being a fusion of several horses that were at Kasamatsu while Oguri Cap was there.
 
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I wonder how much extra business her families restaurant has had due to shiro being a racer? I wonder if they will try and expand it so they can serve more people at a time.

Probably because this isn't in the NSFW section?

Plus its horse girls not horse dickgirls. imagine wonder why people are so obsessed with sticking dicks on women.
 
Interestingly enough, in irl most of the horses with long careers were not actually incredibly successful, usually with some wins, but not some big ones. Basically good enough to justify seeing if they could win something, but not good enough that their value as a stud or broodmare is worth retiring them. So if we relay that over into umamusume, there are probably a number of older umas on the circuit who are basically gate fillers.

Nice Nature, Rice to a lesser extent.
 

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