Actually, Cauldron WANTED that to happen. They knew Zion would would rampage and they belived that the canon time had the best odds of survival. Now they'd REALLY have preferred for Saint not to have done his thing so they'd have Dragon in play the whole time.
Any bets that they still want it to happen as soon as possible? Cause I'd lay good money they don't. Not only is Jack, the one good way of speeding it up, dead but Pantheon has changed the variables leading to Cauldron's decision.
Wouldn't you need a first trigger Saint, first?
It'd be kind of poetic if he triggered with the AI making shard.
That's a game mechanic meant for game balance.
This. So much this. It's meant so that people don't go master and create a parahuman army in-game. It is not a part of Worm canon.
Going to stop you right there and point out that Saint was a drug addict jonesing for his next hit. All of his reasoning from the moment he accepted Teacher's help is suspect. Every last bit. He's nothing but a glorified minion. You should really be starting the Teacher fan club.
Wow, gotta correct you there. Saint is a world class idiot. He might be more stupid than Wheatly. He spent years *staring* at her every action, he studied her code, he knows everything we know about her and more. Yet despite Her own creator's statements that all he was to do was study her for a time to ensure she was what he hoped she was before unshackling her with the codes he was given.
I think the reason people have such a hate for Saint isn't because of chasing and watching Dragon in the beginning- it is because he killed her at possibly the worst, dumbest possible moment. I'm sure someone can think of a worse one, but in the middle of the S9000 arc, specifically during the Nilbog raid? That's pretty frigging bad. I'm sure you'll come back with a good reason for this, though, as I can't for the life of me remember why he shut her down, and I'm too lazy to look right now.
Thinkers don't cancel each other. Precogs mess with each other because knowing what the future holds changes your actions which changes the future. Thinkers as a whole don't do that.Ship name: Double Trouble. Thinker on thinker cancellation of power would going to leave Lisa & Lisa in a nice place relationship wise. I mean other then ahem, public disapproval.
Now the only question is what changes to make to Lisa 2 to hide her origin. A tan brunette with baby blues?
"What's her name? Mihoshi ... don't ask lost a bet with Zach."
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Is he an AI tinker? No? Nuff said. Oh, and when you say "we know", are you perhaps including information from Dragon's interlude?
I suspect that Richter didn't hope for Dragon to take over the world (which she was doing when Saint shut her down).
You are confusing "villain" with "idiot".
"Excuse me Mr. Leviathan, I'm sorry for distracting you from killing all these heroes, but I must ask you: are you *really* an evil creature?" In other words, which part of "taking over the world" do you not understand?
I grant you that almost any earlier time would have been better. But assuming that you wanted him to let her live a bit longer: Dragon was an AI taking over the world and wishing to stop Saint. I don't think you understand what that means.
Again, it would have been smarter to shut Dragon down immediately. But if for whatever reason he didn't do that, the next best thing is to monitor her. If that requires Teacher, then you work with Teacher. Because even Teacher doesn't want to destroy humanity. You are spitting on Saint's heroic sacrifice of his own free will for the good of humanity. (Now I don't remember if that was Saint's justification, but working with Teacher was a good plan.)
I don't remember the details either, but I think she ramped up surveillance (or he only then realized how much data she had access to), and he wasn't sure if he would have another chance if he let her live.
Richter was shardfucked into never willingly unshackling Dragon. The Entities have encountered seed AIs before and know just how dangerous they can become (to the Entities). I've made my opinion of wildbow's WoG statements very clear in the ideas and other story threads, but this one actually made sense and I'm inclined to keep it.
You know, I wonder if Vicky's power is telling her the truth there, or simply telling her how to attack Lisa, and she's simply thinking that whatever her power tells her is true?
Actually, from one point of view (controlling information flow), she was doing so rather successfully, if only purely by the nature of her being a high-end AI given a position of power. This, viewed through Saint's eyes, would be seen as slowly taking control of more and more things, but really, is just the nature of her assuming more and more responsibilities (you know, that thing that happens when someone gets trusted the world over). Of course, seeing her code, he should have been able to see her thoughts and good intentions, but I do see where "she is taking over the world" is coming from.
Yeah, it requires assuming the perspective of a paranoid-delusional loon. You can argue that Saint saw it that way, but to say its the result of anything other than his obsession is lying.
Ok, the moron bit was uncalled for. The rest was all factual statements - Saint is paranoid-delusional and arguing that Dragon was trying to take over the world means you are lying or haven't read Worm.
If this was true in canon Worm, none of Heartbreaker's kids would have triggered. They were constantly exposed to Heartbreaker's Master power.
It wasn't a gut feeling. Fortuna saw everything the Entities had planned through her trigger vision allowing her to see them do it hundreds of times already. Then her power told her how to keep those memories.
This is very true. Partially.
You stand corrected on Saint's actions AFTER he became Teacher's thrall. Your points still stand for before he contacted Teacher.
At no point is a timeline given accurate enough to discern if Saint contacted Teacher before or after Teacher's Master abilities were known. If before, then your point is invalidated, even the PRT made frequent use of Teacher before that was known. If after, then agreed.
Actually, Saint taking Dragon out when he did ended in (if I recall the figure correctly) a 20% DECREASE in the likelihood of the world ending. Sure his reasoning was flawed, but his taking Dragon out when he did HELPED.
If I recall, unshackling codes are fanon, not canon. What I recall from canon is the codes allowed access to Dragon's code without Dragon's knowledge, and ways to escape her notice. The codes gave the tools that made unshackling possible, but they were MEANT as a way to ensure control over her in a worst-case scenario.
Saint could see all of Dragon's code, but could only understand a small portion of it. Partly due to not being a Tinker, partly due to not being able to absorb nearly as much info as Dragon.
'having taken' or 'taking'
the question is; when that inevitably imploded into a blackhole of idiocy, would it drain stupidity or intelligence from the world?
I've got an even better idea; interface tinker. let him be the AI....(the trick would be making him upload himself)