Zaru
Not too sore, are you?
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Okay cool. Was just asking on clarification. Thanks ChiefAs far as QQ is concerned, go for it. We have no rules around that.
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Okay cool. Was just asking on clarification. Thanks ChiefAs far as QQ is concerned, go for it. We have no rules around that.
Notably here your next suggestion don't actually solve any the issues mentioned before. Fair being fair, there could be some merit in having it listed as option in making new threads. But that doesn't actually answer any issues with enforcement or detection. It instead a sideways approach of looking for solution, an attempt to avoid the issues rather that solving it. So, the issue with enforcement and detection is in fact, not bullshit at all.All this hand-wringing about "theres no perfect enforcement mechanism" or "theres no flawless detection" is a bunch of absolute BS.
OK. Here's a very simple way to have this be implemented: You -and this not a generaly 'you', I really mean you, BreezyWheeze here, or at least anyone who support your idea- hire some programmers to code this as a Xenforo add on. Then offer QQ a free (perpetual) lisence to use the add on. Better still if you release it for free for anyone to use. Make sure to provide troubleshooting service for add on conflict or whatever bugs that may ariseYou could radically cut down on unflagged AI slop by simply making a default system where authors are required to select the level of AI usage - a simple dropdown that says "AI used to generate most/all text - AI used to generate some text - AI used to edit or beta read - AI not used at all" and have the dropdown be required when starting a new thread would go a LONG way, even if there were literally no rule or enforcement associated with the tag.
People go on about Oxford lists of three, as though the rule of 3 hasn't been a valuable writing principle for decades. It's the same with the Em Dash, people now just instantly assume anything with it is AI. The reason Chat GPT uses it is because it is a very helpful piece of punctuation used very commonly in academic papers and writing which it has been trained on. But nah it makes more sense that all the academics of the world are just using chatgpt to write for them.Yeah, those patterns are common in autistic authors and experienced authors and doubly so with authors that fit both catagories. If you're not aware, QQ and the FanFiction community as a whole is extremely more likely to be neurodivergent than most other hobbies.
someone who only repost a fully fledged unedited AI story is not a writer, they are a prompt engineer.
Honestly, same. AI is a tool. Not something you use to write everything, and certainty not used without corrections.In my opinion its fine to use A.I. as a tool, but I really hate it when I encounter lazy 'authors' who spam A.I. slob without bothering to check it's content over for things like consistency, continuity, contradictions, and continued incorrect data.
Honestly, same. AI is a tool. Not something you use to write everything, and certainty not used without corrections.
I only started using it recently, and I rathed liked it, but mostly I try to use gnostwriter and manuskript rn.You mean other than universities pushing it to the point of having entire classes that cannot be passed without getting 100% grammarly scores on each assignment? It's genuinely useful for formal writing, or at least it was back in the 2016-2020 era when I was in Uni.
Really at the end of the day AI-generated writing will be for its own slop-fed audience, there won't really be a lack of demand for actual creatives any time soon because people will always want to have the option of the art their consuming to be from an actual person, as opposed to some trained machine. I would say, however, that the site is sort of running the risk of getting bogged down if ai slop writers feel it's a safe place to dump, and then we're getting a potential devianart situation(I think someone may have mentioned such prior in the thread) where searching/browsing/navigation is gonna become...tedious, to say the least. Which is gonna suck, definitely.
Now, I'm not saying any rules need to be put in place, but a more robust mod stance of something like "yeah we'd prefer all writers here hold to the spirit of reciprocity and are clear about what AI is used/to what extent of AI-tooling was used to assist in a work, but you don't have to" which is sort of the position taken with the 'it'd be polite' bit, but ik asking people to care about things that won't directly affect them immediately is genuinely an ask sometimes, not even a diss btw it's just how most people operate. Anyway, I'm tired and I don't want to rant so I'm just gonna leave it off at that I think we should be a bit more mindful/careful with our next steps than some mild takes and "yeah we don't cares" when it comes to AI slop coming to the site past, ionno, generated images which while I don't think makes one an artist, but a prompt engineer, are benign in their output(tho I personally still hate that they're all basically trained off stolen work at the end of the day) and doesn't really affect the 'spirit' of the site ig.
Just my two cents, and it's p off the cuff so if someone has something to say just keep it civil and i'll respond when i can to clarify, for now I'm goin to bed.