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So it'd get the people who have no strong pre-existing opinions on vaccines, but fall for dick enlargement spam emails every time.As much as I wish that would work, people only believe rumors that confirm their sick worldview.
The unfortunate answer to this is, "Statistics don't work that way."Can someone point me towards somewhere that has statistics on how reduced the symptoms of COVID are if you do catch it after having the Pfizer vaccine?
I mean, I believe you, but why not?The unfortunate answer to this is, "Statistics don't work that way."
Because statistics are influenced by how you ask the questions and a number of other factors. Making a comparison between two number sets thus requires that said elements be controlled for.I mean, I believe you, but why not?
Like, you can track what percentage of people who catch COVID* have mild, moderate or severe symptoms; why can't you compare what percentage of people that catch it after having the vaccine have mild, moderate and severe symptoms, and compare?
*not sure why it automatically capitalises that.
... which is a request for data on symptom severity in the same individual depending on whether they got the vaccine or not.Can someone point me towards somewhere that has statistics on how reduced the symptoms of COVID are if you do catch it after having the Pfizer vaccine?
Clearly what we need to do is some warcrimes on twins.... which is a request for data on symptom severity in the same individual depending on whether they got the vaccine or not.
Ah, no. 'Zero symptoms' is slightly different to 'did not catch', in that asymptomatic carriers can still spread but you presumably can't if you did not catch it in the first place.This is really hard to answer. First off, people who are vaccinated are likely to simply not get the disease at all. Do you want me to count this as "zero symptoms", or is your question comparing a person who got sick without the vaccine to that same person getting vaccinated and then getting sick anyway?
Asymptomatic carriers don't have the disease. Definitions vary -- Wikipedia, for instance, quotes a disease as "a particular abnormal condition that negatively affects the structure or function of all or part of an organism, and that is not due to any immediate external injury."Ah, no. 'Zero symptoms' is slightly different to 'did not catch', in that asymptomatic carriers can still spread but you presumably can't if you did not catch it in the first place.
O-kay? This semantics lesson is trying to tell me that when you said-Asymptomatic carriers don't have the disease. Definitions vary -- Wikipedia, for instance, quotes a disease as "a particular abnormal condition that negatively affects the structure or function of all or part of an organism, and that is not due to any immediate external injury."
This is somewhat atypical, as it's mixing medical and legal definitions and the medical dictionary it quotes gives a more typical version. Merriam-Webster's medical dictionary gives another: "an impairment of the normal state of the living animal or plant body or one of its parts that interrupts or modifies the performance of the vital functions, is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms, and is a response to environmental factors (as malnutrition, industrial hazards, or climate), to specific infective agents (as worms, bacteria, or viruses), to inherent defects of the organism (as genetic anomalies), or to combinations of these factors : sickness, illness."
TL;DR? You need to have a medical issue or symptom to have a disease... but cause doesn't matter (which is why, say, the traumatic injuries from a car accident are considered a disease by medical professionals).
COVID is the disease; the virus is SARS-CoV-2. It's entirely possible to be infested with the latter without having the former; it's why Mary Mallon isn't considered to have had Typhoid.
-you were saying 'people who are vaccinated are likely to simply not (show any negative symptoms). Do you want me to count this as zero symptoms'? That seems like a weird question to ask, as with that definition the answer is obviously yes. Are you clarifying this because you're pointing out the 95% who don't catch it actually include asymptomatic transmitters as 'BNT162b2 was 95% effective in preventing Covid-19' refers to the disease not the virus?First off, people who are vaccinated are likely to simply not get the disease at all. Do you want me to count this as "zero symptoms"
All you need are:Either way, what I'm getting from this is my question cannot be answered. That's fine.
I mean, sure. If we're going complete fantasy, throw in some Coil time-split action to get the really precise data comparison. I'm not really looking for that level of precision though, just anything solid that points in the direction of the vaccine benefiting its recipients if they actually catch the dis- virus.This post is not a solicitation for warcrimes upon twins, nor a call for any such action, nor any intent to condone such action. I'm just pointing out the sort of inhumane set up you'd need to get really precise data about this.
Don't disagree, the protection from catching it in the first place is good enough to go through the relatively minor symptoms of the vaccine.Honestly looking at some of the horrible long-term effects of oxygen-deprived organs, the overt sickness symptoms for the disease seem much less important, and the even less-intense overt sickness symptoms of the vaccine seem kinda trivial. But that's just my opinion.
FTR, they do publish vaccine efficacy against severe disease and death. AFAICT, even if you get infected post-vaccination your symptoms are likely ameliorated by the shot, compared to people who get infected without the vaccine. Recent example: a disease cluster in India, where 15 seniors at some kind of retirement home all got infected (all having been vaccinated). All 15 survived; meanwhile, covid in seniors has like a 5-10% mortality rate, so ordinarily you'd expect 1-2 fatalities in that group.I wanted to know if it also caused a lower rate of severe symptoms in that 5%. My bad if my wording was off. If that's too difficult to answer, or I'm still wording it wrong, then that's fine, as the lowered chance of catching it is enough even without any measurable benefits in the event that you do.
I somehow missed this. The answer is that the Pfizer vaccine seems to almost entirely protect against severe disease. Obviously it's not actually perfect, but they literally didn't get so much as a single case of severe COVID in the vaccinated group when they looked.I wanted to know if it also caused a lower rate of severe symptoms in that 5%. My bad if my wording was off. If that's too difficult to answer, or I'm still wording it wrong, then that's fine, as the lowered chance of catching it is enough even without any measurable benefits in the event that you do.
I thought I was relatively clear:O-kay? This semantics lesson is trying to tell me that when you said-
-you were saying 'people who are vaccinated are likely to simply not (show any negative symptoms). Do you want me to count this as zero symptoms'? That seems like a weird question to ask, as with that definition the answer is obviously yes. Are you clarifying this because you're pointing out the 95% who don't catch it actually include asymptomatic transmitters as 'BNT162b2 was 95% effective in preventing Covid-19' refers to the disease not the virus?
A large part of the point here was that the exact definition of what you're talking about makes a shitton of difference in statistics, with the ultimate point being that the question wasn't answerable as you asked it.... which is a request for data on symptom severity in the same individual depending on whether they got the vaccine or not.
This is really hard to answer. First off, people who are vaccinated are likely to simply not get the disease at all. Do you want me to count this as "zero symptoms", or is your question comparing a person who got sick without the vaccine to that same person getting vaccinated and then getting sick anyway?
I almost feel the urge to start a rumor that the Pfizer vaccine will alter your DNA to give you a larger and longer-lasting erection.
ok so I was legitimately thinking about make a snippet like this for some good old power fantasy stress relief (the shadow government that rules the world putting giga-stud drugs in the covid vaccine so that people will want to take them and that the people who do will outbreed the anti vaccinators) and I'm kind of worried if it'll be seen in poor taste. maybe I should just change it to some made-up virus?Totally true, I got it and I am fucking like an NTR doujin bull.
Probably a bit poor taste, yeah.ok so I was legitimately thinking about make a snippet like this for some good old power fantasy stress relief (the shadow government that rules the world putting giga-stud drugs in the covid vaccine so that people will want to take them and that the people who do will outbreed the anti vaccinators) and I'm kind of worried if it'll be seen in poor taste. maybe I should just change it to some made-up virus?
Terrible taste. Do it anyway.ok so I was legitimately thinking about make a snippet like this for some good old power fantasy stress relief (the shadow government that rules the world putting giga-stud drugs in the covid vaccine so that people will want to take them and that the people who do will outbreed the anti vaccinators) and I'm kind of worried if it'll be seen in poor taste. maybe I should just change it to some made-up virus?
I don't know what exactly you think you're doing, but don't do it here.Just wanted to say this to the ones in the future. Yes, this did happen, and it was only the beginning. I had to fight off 16 people each day during the pandemic to get rations. It was every man for himself. Me and my friends were doing well the first few weeks....until they came.
New York was the first to fall.
Then Kansas.
When Washington fell we knew things could only get worse.
This as much as I can write now, I'll be back with an update on the situation. And if there are any survivors reading this....Then may god have mercy.
Yooooo. I wasn't the one who posted that. So imma delete it alright?I don't know what exactly you think you're doing, but don't do it here.
I really want to share it - but has anyone got source for that? There is a small chance that it is misinformation itself.
Archived blog link talking about the history of it from 2012: https://archive.is/uPeZ4I really want to send it to friends and family - but has anyone got source for that? There is a small chance that it is misinformation itself.
20 years is remarkably optimistic.This was going to be a 20 year issue the second it happened. It's a virus. Viruses are spectacularly hard to contain, and containing this one was lost loooong ago.
After the past couple of years, a little optimism is nice to see.
a new study that has not yet been peer reviewed shows that this mutation does enhance cleavage.
Without axis labels, that graph literally looks like something out of How to Lie With Statistics.
That is in Moscow. It went from ~2K people infected/day to here. The new indian strain got brought over here and most of the new arrivals have this one.
And apparently, more than enough of the vaccine is being produced, it's just that there is a big problem with actually getting people to get up from their ass and get vaccinated.
Without axis labels, that graph literally looks like something out of How to Lie With Statistics.