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Esquestria: The House of the Sun - A pony cultist experience

I want to social our sons.

Just think of the narrative, almost dead, in agony but refusing to end, facing her morality. Velvet reaches out to her sons, her children, an attempts to love them. Because loving her children is at the core of who Velvet is.

You are Velvet Covers.

And you are almost dead.

Everything hurts. And the worst part is that you must cling to this pain, lest you fall asleep and stop singing to your heart.
 
Alright, fixed search odds. Thanks for the corrections.

This is guessing Rarity has 9 intrigue (1 less than "A pony trained in that field") and Comet has 7 (worse than our martial, lol. Maybe I should give him more credit. Or less. Wait, can we bring Fluttershy instead :V ).

Baldomare + Rarity + Servants: 77%
Baldomare + Luna + Servants: 84%
Baldomare + Luna + Rarity: 95%
Rarity + Comet + Servants: 15%
Rarity + Comet + Luna + Servants: 62%

(Check my math here)

So... without Baldomare it's pretty low odds. But we can finish it next turn probably?
 
Because Baldomare can superscry so we can make sure that Copper will stop being a problem and Rarity can't :V

Servants + Rarity + Comet should have an average result of ~161, which would put it well within feasible finishing distance for Selene next turn.

Edit: Also keep in mind re: Selene finishing it next turn that she should be able to throw both her actions at it. That would be 40 progress minimum, so if the Servants + Rarity + Comet combo roll average or higher, Selene would 100% finish it out.

Though technically, the Rarity + Servants + Comet combo has a ~23% chance of finishing it off themselves this turn. Which is low, but not zero!

Edit 2: In the interest of transparency, I'm assuming that between Rarity and Comet's stats, it'll balance out to effectively a +10 modifier for each of their rolls. If they both have sucky Intrigue, the average will be a bit lower, but, eh.
I think Jade would be enough, considering her reroll and Lantern 4, and Rarity is in my opinion needed for her job. If she doesn't NEED to work, then she should do a commission instead, and then we can use those extra bits to help with expeditions on turn 21.

if we REALLY have to scry with Baldomare, then I'd argue for Servants + double Selene. that's 2d100 + 40 for Selene, and 1d100-20 (presumed, might be worse) for Servants. Average of 161.5 I think.

...damn, maybe I can fit someone else in... I suppose Jade? Memory of Light is not THAT critical, and if Baldomare is scrying than she's mostly free.

Selene X2 + Servants + Jade.

2d100+40
1d100-20
1d100+... probably 8 to 10?

THAT should be enough to finish it.

We can finish Outsider search this turn, and we're kinda behind on that, we should do it!

Yeah, we need to go all in on Copper, reducing the chance factor to a minimum...not that said methods always work out.
both Bird AND Baldomare warned us about playing to win vs playing to not lose.

Killing Copper is "not losing". It's important, but less important than winning (Outsider).

Jade is a perfectly adequate scrier, and we don't even need THAT much intel out of there, even just the general region is enough, a Name-team could definitely find out the rest if they were in at least the same general region!

Also, on that one mass social plan with Incarnadescence, I just want to say that I am highly amused by the idea of so many people getting to experience the walking corpse of Velvet Covers. Especially with the Cannibal Name's full Influence on her. :V

More seriously, a mostly dead pony still swinging some +60-ish to social is definitely an interesting image. That's gonna be some real tragic beauty shit right there.


Considering we're getting MAREINETTE'S influence, and that she's a puppeteer of sort...

Alright, fixed search odds. Thanks for the corrections.

This is guessing Rarity has 9 intrigue (1 less than "A pony trained in that field") and Comet has 7 (worse than our martial, lol. Maybe I should give him more credit. Or less. Wait, can we bring Fluttershy instead :V ).

Baldomare + Rarity + Servants: 77%
Baldomare + Luna + Servants: 84%
Baldomare + Luna + Rarity: 95%
Rarity + Comet + Servants: 15%
Rarity + Comet + Luna + Servants: 62%

(Check my math here)

So... without Baldomare it's pretty low odds. But we can finish it next turn probably?
We could try Jade + Selene x2 + Servants. It's doable.


I want to social our sons.

Just think of the narrative, almost dead, in agony but refusing to end, facing her morality. Velvet reaches out to her sons, her children, an attempts to love them. Because loving her children is at the core of who Velvet is.
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We could try Jade + Selene x2 + Servants. It's doable.
Problem is that is if we have any sort of "Guard the house" action in the list (which we should, just in case), Selene's going to call dibs I'm pretty sure, if telling people wins (atm it's ahead, I think). Someone also has to take the Grave expedition site, and depending on how Bird prioritizes things, she might end up on that instead of Outsider.

Edit: Granted, with how frustrated he's been at us completely ignoring our win conditions, I wouldn't be surprised if Selene gets put on Outsider search and Comet takes the Grave instead :V
 
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Servants should be rolling at -10 rather than -20, since they use our base stats as their modifier, iirc.
Ah I misread
Let's say that "yes, they can", but they will be, uh, very bad at it. Like, "at least -20 without any other bonuses applying" bad.
That takes Luna + Rarity + Comet + Servants to 68% success? Not great, not awful...
If she doesn't NEED to work, then she should do a commission instead
Nah. Commission is taxing and guarantees failure of work. If we don't need the bits this turn, we shouldn't do it.
 
Goodness. I go away to watch a video, and half a dozen plans are built.

So, the general tone seems to be, social focus for Velvets side of the turn, with split focus on finding the outsider, and finding and beating Copper?
 
Someone also has to take the Grave expedition site, and depending on how Bird prioritizes things, she might end up on that instead of Outsider.
Do they have to?

Like, actual genuine question. Is that expedition completely necessary this turn? I haven't been paying more than cursory attention, even if I'm making joke posts.
 
Do they have to?

Like, actual genuine question. Is that expedition completely necessary this turn? I haven't been paying more than cursory attention, even if I'm making joke posts.
I mean. I guess technically we don't have to? If we're getting our last Knock 4 scrap from DoA, we could give Baldomare the Knock 5 book at EoT21 and save giving the Level 6 book for EoT24. We should keep the Moth book though, so we can get Sacrament once we're ready.
 
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If we do an Incandescence via Marinette and spend time with her, we should totally social Filthy Rich and Spoiled Rich at the same time.
It will be the strangest yet effective marriage counseling sessions of all time.
huh. I mean, okay, that's a point, but I'm more caught up in the realization that getting an Influence from Marinette and then socialing her is gonna be really funny. Just on it's own.
Yup.
It gets us a Lv6 book for Baldomare, who would be unsummoned at turn end
Aaaaand… we can't use one of our Level Five books?
 
I realize I forgot to vote.

[X] There has been an attempt against the Commissioner's life.
[X] Time

Allowing others to hear about this attack is a little awkward given our Name assault squad happening on the same turn, but the benefits are too much to ignore. I also like the idea of Velvet getting incredibly injured, everyone going "you need to take a break," and she then unexpected responds with "yeah, alright." It's very out of character for Velvet to actually dedicate a month to just rest.

Although, with everything going on with Copper, I'm slightly worried about letting the Changeling Protohive linger. I doubt it's going to become a threat anytime soon, but we'd be leaving the goal of the Bureau to fester while Celestia is waiting for results. This turn, the Constables are going to guard us, and then next turn, what, they go after the remnants of Copper's Cult? We found out about a Changeling infestation and then we'll be doing nothing about it for two turns. There might be consequences for that.

Aaaaand… we can't use one of our Level Five books?
We need to present the Level 6 book to befriend her, otherwise we'd need to wait another 3 turns to get the same chance.
 
huh. I mean, okay, that's a point, but I'm more caught up in the realization that getting an Influence from Marinette and then socialing her is gonna be really funny. Just on it's own.

Aaaaand… we can't use one of our Level Five books?
We can, but giving her a Level 6 book gets "progress" towards the friendship of Baldomare, which can provide unknown benefits.

So... No. It is not technically needed. But, it is a short expedition that gains us slight permanent favor. Something we would have to wait another 4 turns for at least.
 
Allowing others to hear about this attack is a little awkward given our Name assault squad happening on the same turn, but the benefits are too much to ignore. I also like the idea of Velvet getting incredibly injured, everyone going "you need to take a break," and she then unexpected responds with "yeah, alright." It's very out of character for Velvet to actually dedicate a month to just rest.
And even then, we're not technically resting completely because making friends means more fuel for the fire! The fire being our inscrutable plans, of course.

Although, with everything going on with Copper, I'm slightly worried about letting the Changeling Protohive linger. I doubt it's going to become a threat anytime soon, but we'd be leaving the goal of the Bureau to fester while Celestia is waiting for results. This turn, the Constables are going to guard us, and then next turn, what, they go after the remnants of Copper's Cult? We found out about a Changeling infestation and then we'll be doing nothing about it for two turns. There might be consequences for that.
Could have the detectives investigate more while the constables are raiding the hive? I doubt they're going to find everything there is to find in a single month.
 
Also while technically, in the strictest sense of the term, we don't need to get the Level 6 book this turn, I think we should. We're most likely going to have to finish off the Outsider search next turn even if we double up on Selene actions, and even if we do find the Outsider this turn, we'll still have to wait until next turn to explore the Malleary. So I think it's okay if Selene finishes off the Outsider search next turn and we get the book this turn.
 
Problem is that is if we have any sort of "Guard the house" action in the list (which we should, just in case), Selene's going to call dibs I'm pretty sure, if telling people wins (atm it's ahead, I think). Someone also has to take the Grave expedition site, and depending on how Bird prioritizes things, she might end up on that instead of Outsider.

Edit: Granted, with how frustrated he's been at us completely ignoring our win conditions, I wouldn't be surprised if Selene gets put on Outsider search and Comet takes the Grave instead :V
Comet leader + Axe OR Mareinette follower for Grave is overkill, Selene is unnecessary.

and I don't think the "who goes where" will be a problem for this.

Nah. Commission is taxing and guarantees failure of work. If we don't need the bits this turn, we shouldn't do it.

we ALWAYS need bits.

on turn 20 we need to do grave expedition (50 bits reserved, but I'll estimate 30 used if we send say Comet + Mareinette. maybe 40 bits), Copper assault (potentially up to 150 bits depending on how many Names and FOllowers we send), a scrying attempt (30 bits)...

on turn 21 we need to heal our scar (20+45 for reagent lvl 3), potentially summon Mares (55 each), do canterlot part 3 (120 bits per person we send, likely at least 2 so 240 bits), a scrying on the canterlot expedition (so another 30 bits)...

Rarity will have to deal with the stress. I mean, Velvet is half dead, is she going to complain to her?! :V

IF, and it's a big IF, Rarity can afford a failure this turn without her work suffering for it (which Bird will tell us during planning), then we should work on the extra bits.

...unless Cadance comes bearing gifts, at least.

Goodness. I go away to watch a video, and half a dozen plans are built.

So, the general tone seems to be, social focus for Velvets side of the turn, with split focus on finding the outsider, and finding and beating Copper?
also Grave expedition and Rarity probably making us money.

Do they have to?

Like, actual genuine question. Is that expedition completely necessary this turn? I haven't been paying more than cursory attention, even if I'm making joke posts.
well, we COULD give Baldomare a lvl 5 book, but lvl 6 progresses her "friendship questline" so to speak, AND we only need to spend like 50 bits max on it and ONE follower action (probably Comet, with Axe or Mareinette as followers not using actions to help)
 
Comet leader + Axe OR Mareinette follower for Grave is overkill, Selene is unnecessary.
We may think so, but in the end it comes down to Bird's optimization priorities, doesn't it? Especially since tag-alongs aren't determined at the turn start.

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on turn 21 we need to heal our scar (20+45 for reagent lvl 3), potentially summon Mares (55 each), do canterlot part 3 (120 bits per person we send, likely at least 2 so 240 bits), a scrying on the canterlot expedition (so another 30 bits)...
As a reminder, summoning MitLs (or anything really) on T21 will be impossible. Our three-circle "site" expires at the end of T20.

Also, I said it before and I'll say it again, doing the BtRC Part 3 scry and the expedition on the same turn is a silly and unwise decision, considering we'll have effectively spent a bunch of time building a plan around what our followers (including our Names) can do and then suddenly punching a hole through the middle of that plan.
 
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Is that her friendship process it progresses? Because from my understanding, befriending Names was stated to be having them stick around. A Level Five book achieves that.

I'll grant the Something Interesting might be progression to making that more permanent, but is this an assumption, or do y'all have WoQM?
 
Is that her friendship process it progresses? Because from my understanding, befriending Names was stated to be having them stick around. A Level Five book achieves that.

I'll grant the Something Interesting might be progression to making that more permanent, but is this an assumption, or do y'all have WoQM?
As one point iirc Bird referred to our conversation with her at the end of her first summoning period, which is equivalent to what would have happened if we gave her a Level 5 book at the time, as a relationship freebie. And considering that conversation followed with "something good will happen if you give her a Level 6 book" or something like that...
 
While it's debatable whether Luna should go on the Copper hunt, I'm imagining what the look on Copper's face would be to see the alicorn her cult had taken for dead show up on her doorstep with a vengeance. Either that, or a cute nameless filly trained in ultraviolence.

Are we aiming for Copper's head, or to take her in alive for whatever unethical sacrament requiring a sacrifice?

Also one important thing I just realized, is it safe to spend time with Marinette while we have no lores to protect us? Sure she has summoning bindings, but she explicitly has the power to shake those off. I doubt she would want to immediately kill Velvet as Biedde would likely pick up on such a betrayal, but could she use Grail to manipulate Velvet either with or without the bindings on?
 
Is that her friendship process it progresses? Because from my understanding, befriending Names was stated to be having them stick around. A Level Five book achieves that.

I'll grant the Something Interesting might be progression to making that more permanent, but is this an assumption, or do y'all have WoQM?
I do not have exact WoQM, and am typing something else at the moment, so can't quite look it up.

But I believe the way QM put it was, keeping Names around us Befriending the names, as Befriending the Names is keeping them around.
 
As one point iirc Bird referred to our conversation with her at the end of her first summoning period, which is equivalent to what would have happened if we gave her a Level 5 book at the time, as a relationship freebie. And considering that conversation followed with "something good will happen if you give her a Level 6 book" or something like that...
Personally I don't remember that first bit, but fair enough. Honestly, I'm just trying to make sure y'all aren't falling into the trap of wanting something, but it being so innocuous that you never stop to think if it's actually going to give you what you want.
 
So, Draft plan...
This is presuming that Velvet tells people she was attacked, as that's the way number of votes are leaning so far.


Bureau:

Detectives: Investigate the Commissioner's attackers
Constables: Guard the Commissioner


Followers:

Mareinnete: Give Velvet Influence
Biedde: Attack Copper, Free Guard
Axe: Knock Lesson
Baldomare: Search for Outsider / Scry Copper

Rarity: Commission / Search for Outsider
Comet: Grave Expedition
Jade: Scry Copper / Memory of Light
Selene: Guard and Search for Outsider


And then people allocated to the missions as seen fit?
 
Personally I don't remember that first bit, but fair enough. Honestly, I'm just trying to make sure y'all aren't falling into the trap of wanting something, but it being so innocuous that you never stop to think if it's actually going to give you what you want.
I mean, nothing rules out me misremembering.

I'll see if I can find a more exact quote tomorrow. It's kind of late for me :V
 
I mean. I guess technically we don't have to? If we're getting our last Knock 4 scrap from DoA, we could give Baldomare the Knock 5 book at EoT21 and save giving the Level 6 book for EoT24. We should keep the Moth book though, so we can get Sacrament once we're ready.

But I want to actually see the "Something Interesting" pop off, and holding that up by an additional 3 turns is awful. Just get the 6 Book for this refresh, please.

huh. I mean, okay, that's a point, but I'm more caught up in the realization that getting an Influence from Marinette and then socialing her is gonna be really funny. Just on it's own.

It's what's warming me up to a social rather than a study turn, to be honest. It'll just be so funny!

Is that her friendship process it progresses? Because from my understanding, befriending Names was stated to be having them stick around. A Level Five book achieves that.

I'll grant the Something Interesting might be progression to making that more permanent, but is this an assumption, or do y'all have WoQM?

Even if a 5 does as good as a 6 friendship-wise, I still want to progress her extra-special-secret thing and see the results thereof sometime soon.
 

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