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So.... Infernals are reality tv for yozi and demons?From what I understand they give you the exaltation then let you do whatever you want and they're just along for the ride.
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So.... Infernals are reality tv for yozi and demons?From what I understand they give you the exaltation then let you do whatever you want and they're just along for the ride.
Oh, which ones? I can't really recall anything like that.I liked my Mortal Magic Science dammit.
I'm just going to ignore this horseshit and use the 2nd Ed version of Thaumaturgy.
Especially since several cultures make no damn sense if you use 3rd Ed Thaumaturgy.
And advertisement. From what i understood the Yozis are acting clever-ish with the first crop of Infernal Exalted to make them "popular" in Creation. That is meant to harvest them some faith/recognition/prayers that Yozis plan to then sacrifice to create "real" Loyalist Exalted. First crop is just a re-purpoused Solar Exaltations. The second crop is planned to be a living extensions. Or going by your comparision:
You are mistaking Divine Charms. Thaumaturgy was always about asking for shit in correct manner. The "Roll X to see the results" emulated that many factors contribute to success or failure. Not a bored Exalt pouring motes into Charm and stomping his metaphorical foot down.The key change of the new Thaumaturgy system is that while mortals may beseech the gods for succor, it is not their place to demand divine blessings.
Lack of reliable-to-learn Thaumaturgy means that some nations that heavily rely on it have less sense. I recall there was one wich used Art of Astrology for everything. With each Astrological Procedure now needing a Speshul Snowflake training your doods, one at time, the whole reliance on the Art becomes ... bothersome.
Word-of-Dev is that your PC will never be as cool or strong as their First Age incarnation, no matter what you do.
It may be a deformation of the dev claim that the corebook system doesn't have to accurately modelize First Age Exalts (in reference to Charms that are not Usurpation-OK like Dual Magnus Prana, or those Investigation powers that would have prevented the betrayal of the Sidereals) or the war with the Primordials.What? Why? Just because they say so or is there a very solid reason for it?
Or they could simply wrote that Solar Age and Primordial Age had different rules and Exaltations work differently now because Incarna wasn't just indolent with X-Box and were fiddling with reality to stabilize their Overlordship.
Geeze, it's the basic premise of World of Darkness. That reality is malleable and no truth is eternally correct.
I think the Devs got rid of the idea of separate Infernal generations.And advertisement. From what i understood the Yozis are acting clever-ish with the first crop of Infernal Exalted to make them "popular" in Creation. That is meant to harvest them some faith/recognition/prayers that Yozis plan to then sacrifice to create "real" Loyalist Exalted. First crop is just a re-purpoused Solar Exaltations. The second crop is planned to be a living extensions. Or going by your comparision:
First crop of Infernals is a reality TV, that they get paid to watch.
Second crop if Infernals is intended to be a Nerve Gear coupled with hacking system, to use "virtual reality" to change the unenviable reality of their own situation. I think.
Well fortunately this isn't the World of Darkness.Geeze, it's the basic premise of World of Darkness. That reality is malleable and no truth is eternally correct.
You know that Exalted is all made up by magic cast on Pure Undiluted Bullshit, aka Wyld, to act in certain ways? *raises eyebrow*
Magic which forces reality to be unmalleable and causes certain truths to be eternally correct.You know that Exalted is all made up by magic cast on Pure Undiluted Bullshit, aka Wyld, to act in certain ways? *raises eyebrow*
Fuck the engine. At least with the end of the engine, everyone can ascend as per the seemingly canonical ending to M:TA where as in Exalted. The mortals can only hope for the below:Okay, let me rephrase. It's a solid, well maintained lie. With capital L. Because it is not "truth" or "eastern bunny" but just Wyld forced to act in certain ways.
On the other hand, World of Darkness seem to be the same type of engine, but worn down enough that it seemingly falls apart in places especially in the access to the Admin console.
Way I see it. Everyone has a point. Even the Nephandi as Mj12 so eloquently put it:I actually like the Technocracy itself.
What I dislike are the people that pretend the Crats are White Knights in Shining Armor that can do no wrong and are the Be-All End-All of WoD.
And the people that try to pretend that the leaders of the Technocracy aren't genocidal sociopaths.
Mj12 Commando in the Panopticon Quest thread said:They're inherently right though. They're the good guys of Mage. The only people who realize that the world is so broken, where the human spirit is inherently corrupt and nihilistic, that the world must end. Humanity wants the world to end. The Sleepers are the ones who invented old age, so they could die and rot and decay. The Sleepers are the ones who invented disease, and when the Technocracy offered them cures, decided that they preferred nothing and so created antibiotic-resistant bacteria and AIDS and other things out of whole cloth. So they could sicken and die. The Sleepers are the ones who want to die in agony, so when the Technocracy offered universal healthcare so nobody would become sick, they created bureaucratic inefficiency and corruption in it so people could die in waiting rooms with flies festering on their open sores. The Sleepers are the ones who, when the Technocracy offered them empathetic, community policing from Robert Peel, subverted it so they could have their Rodney Kings and their Fergusons and their massacres.
The Technocracy are fools who fight a losing war to deny the existence of entropy. The Traditions are fools who are blinded by their own hubris and don't take a look at what the Sleepers really want. If the Sleepers wanted it, they could make all this evil impossible. But they don't. In fact, they talk it up. This is what mankind is. Mankind wants rape. They want murder. They want homophobia, and genocide, and bigotry. Mankind revels in it. We understand what humanity means. We are more human than you. But we also understand goodness-and we understand that the only goodness in a world where its creators want nothing but more evil is annihilation.
Ascension? Ha. Cast them all into the pit. They're not worthy. You already know this. This is why you judge them, staying separate from them in your ivory towers, only finding the ones you deem "worthy." Look into your soul and embrace it.
If you want to be a hero-remember all the fantasy novels you read? About the evil race which exists only for evil and must be entirely cast into the pit?
That is mankind.
Nope. WoD world is BETTER than ours. It can be better. Just need to kick humanity off it's comfortable high-horse so they start CRAWING the good things. In short, it needs Exalted style therapy.Fuck the engine. At least with the end of the engine, everyone can ascend as per the seemingly canonical ending to M:TA where as in Exalted. The mortals can only hope for the below:
Granted. This is the same for WOD but ascension for everyone bitches!
Nephandi are people who gave up on growing and wallow in despair. I witnessed a game-campaign where fucking Sabbat Vampires saved the world.Way I see it. Everyone has a point. Even the Nephandi as Mj12 so eloquently put it:
Humanity of WoD needs it's coddling ended. It seems that current comfortable living they enjoy is too much good stuff for them.Plus, I don't know about you but some things in WOD need to be genocided.
But yeah, when there is no such thing as truth and reality is what you want/believe it to be. Everyone is correct.
Thus has it ever always been:2. The "Enemies of the Gods" death cursed the gods but the gods predicted this and used protection so it bounced off them and hit the Exalted instead and SOMEHOW the gods never noticed this or bothered to check when the Solars went mad.
Games of Divinity said:Yet, as the Primordials had died, they had coughed out curses against their murderers. Though they had intended them for the gods, the gods had wrapped themselves in wards against such death shouts, and it was the hands of the Exalted which were stained red with blood. As time went by, the curses of the Primordials took root and, in due season, blossomed and bore fruit.
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The Unconquered Sun, disgusted by the hubris of his followers and blind in his own hubris to the workings of the curse, turned his back upon the Realm.
The Devs got rid of the 2nd batch of infernals thing after a HUGE outcry of people not wanting to play "Chumps" who were a distraction for the Real Infernals. So they dumped the whole thing or so thay said. Dunno what they are thinking now though.
As for Lore changes, two things stand out.
1. Exalted are now chosen of the gods again and an Exaltation is now a "Miracle" and not an shard as in 2E which seeks out hosts by itself.
2. The "Enemies of the Gods" death cursed the gods but the gods predicted this and used protection so it bounced off them and hit the Exalted instead and SOMEHOW the gods never noticed this or bothered to check when the Solars went mad.
When the Exalted slew the enemies of the gods, those ancient monsters pronounced a terrible death-curse against the traitorous Incarnae. The Unconquered Sun and his compatriots had anticipated this, however, and crafted mighty magic to protect themselves. What they failed to notice was that the death-curse of the fallen ancients, thwarted by the gods, took root in the hearts of their Chosen.
Hmm, too busy with the games of Divinity?2. The "Enemies of the Gods" death cursed the gods but the gods predicted this and used protection so it bounced off them and hit the Exalted instead and SOMEHOW the gods never noticed this or bothered to check when the Solars went mad.
I can see it now. A Solar Exalted specced for Social fu comes to OWoD Verse and social fu's people into being awesome so that they can ascend.Nope. WoD world is BETTER than ours. It can be better. Just need to kick humanity off it's comfortable high-horse so they start CRAWING the good things. In short, it needs Exalted style therapy.
Huh? Don't they just mutate and shit?And mass Ascension? To me it seems like what happens when human in Exalted walks into the Wyld.
That's what happens if you fail or screw up.
Guys, a question. Paradox bought White Wolf. So what has been done with that so far? Also, what about Onyx Path? I mean they are currently producing NWOD and the 20th anniversary addition. So what happens with that? Are they now printing stuff for Paradox or what?
It's made of pure crack.
I had something along this in mind:I can see it now. A Solar Exalted specced for Social fu comes to OWoD Verse and social fu's people into being awesome so that they can ascend.
"Females!! Do you want infinite cocks and tentacles?! You can get them, simply ascend!!"
"Loser males!! Do you want infinite loyal waifus that can be demons or monsters girls if you want?! You can get them, simply ascend!!"
Nah. When exalted-verse leaves Creation and enters the Pure Chaos, aka Wyld proper, they melt down into constituent Wyld "particles". Or soldier on pure Willpower. Since in the Wyld all rules of Creation are not-existent.
Several remain. Creation remains the centre of the universe, time continues to flow in one direction only, and the defences of the Exalted cannot be overcome.
Ahahah. No.Nah. When exalted-verse leaves Creation and enters the Pure Chaos, aka Wyld proper, they melt down into constituent Wyld "particles". Or soldier on pure Willpower. Since in the Wyld all rules of Creation are not-existent.
Theoretically speaking you can walk into the Wyld, as Creation-Born, change yourself into something else and return as Primordial. Of sex and tentacles, for example.
Of course Creation-Born expect to "die horribly or mutate into monsters" when walking into Wyld-washed areas where rules of Creation are loosened, so there is that.