Feudal Quest

fitzgerald · Mar 23, 2014

A t this point I'd say Kat is looking very much the front contender for either route.

Adyen · Mar 23, 2014

drake_azathoth said:
If we're actually going to stay a Feudal Lord, I am HOPING Zarana is a good bet. Dita and Chesna are our cousins. Let's... Just not go there. Getting a barony through marriage strikes me as pointless anyway- the issue isn't having it, it's having the money and troops to really defend it. Ezti is a good prospect, there's no arguing that, but her True Faith is a huge drawback as far as I'm concerned. She has skills, but they all largely echo our own and have little application to administering a barony beyond 'beat face'.

Actually, if you're looking for money and troop to defend it, Ezti is a bad choice since she's not very rich and I don't think she's overly armed with troops - mainly enough to deter her enemies.

The fact that marrying her automatically creates a block of enemies makes her pretty much one of the worst choice for the feudal lord choice unless we neutralize those problems first - in which case, we might be better off just finding someone else and putting the same amount of effort into making them BETTER.

megrisvernin · Mar 23, 2014

fitzgerald said:

A t this point I'd say Kat is looking very much the front contender for either route.

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I like Kat she has my vote~.

But I'll say that as Feudal Lord is feels like we'll have to push hard on the Sorcerer aspect solving problems for the family to not get a huge backlash. There will be one of course, but if the magical trouble shooter of the family marries a mage well it might not have as bad of a reception~.

Actually scratch that. Wasn't there a comment that we could marry someone else & Kat would be fine marrying us with her own ceremony, or is that just in my mind.

bastur2 · Mar 24, 2014

Adyen said:
Actually, if you're looking for money and troop to defend it, Ezti is a bad choice since she's not very rich and I don't think she's overly armed with troops - mainly enough to deter her enemies.

The fact that marrying her automatically creates a block of enemies makes her pretty much one of the worst choice for the feudal lord choice unless we neutralize those problems first - in which case, we might be better off just finding someone else and putting the same amount of effort into making them BETTER.

And this is one of the reasons I am defending the Dita's rote, or at least that we don't close it before it is really necessary.

fitzgerald · Mar 24, 2014

megrisvernin said:
But I'll say that as Feudal Lord is feels like we'll have to push hard on the Sorcerer aspect solving problems
Actually scratch that. Wasn't there a comment that we could marry someone else & Kat would be fine marrying us with her own ceremony, or is that just in my mind.

Yes. However the issue with that is getting the other wife to not pitch an absolute fit over that.

Which given that we know only our Cousins would be the easy ones to agree with Kat marrying Dominic as well.

On that note making Chesna our cousin instead of Ezti was a cruel but masterful stroke of GMing

megrisvernin · Mar 24, 2014

fitzgerald said:
Yes. However the issue with that is getting the other wife to not pitch an absolute fit over that.

Which given that we know only our Cousins would be the easy ones to agree with Kat marrying Dominic as well.

On that note making Chesna our cousin instead of Ezti was a cruel but masterful stroke of GMing

If we want to apply IRL genetics to it I've heard marrying a cousin only increases the prevalence of genetic disorders by 4%. Considering that we have flesh magic I think we could probably resolve any minor deformities that did occur anyways.

I forget but will marrying her actually cause a big backlash? Just on the cousin issue not the other more relevant issues. Cause I seem to remember that cousin marrying isn't a big issue in IRL Mainland Europe.

drake_azathoth · Mar 24, 2014

The fact that Katiana can pretty much just pull up gold and rubies and whatever else out of the earth ANY TIME SHE WANTS... Yeah, on second thought, if Zarana's really on her game I'm up for that. Intrigue can be a very big deal, and we're sort of lacking in it. If she is willing to make some kind of allowance for Katiana, even better, I think Katiana MAY be willing to share with another woman.

Otherwise I think marrying Katiana and getting her FULL backing is worth it. Think about all the things she's been able to do so far with only a portion of her effort. Also, she talks a lot about the value of her virginity. There may be an actual wizardry ritual she knows with her meaty wizardry 4 that grants some kind of empowerment for the wedding. Certainly if they can pool their power together more tightly through the bonds of marriage, TWO people with Soul 4 is likely to be an insane amount of power.

megrisvernin · Mar 24, 2014

drake_azathoth said:
The fact that Katiana can pretty much just pull up gold and rubies and whatever else out of the earth ANY TIME SHE WANTS... Yeah, on second thought, if Zarana's really on her game I'm up for that. Intrigue can be a very big deal, and we're sort of lacking in it. If she is willing to make some kind of allowance for Katiana, even better, I think Katiana MAY be willing to share with another woman.

Otherwise I think marrying Katiana and getting her FULL backing is worth it. Think about all the things she's been able to do so far with only a portion of her effort. Also, she talks a lot about the value of her virginity. There may be an actual wizardry ritual she knows with her meaty wizardry 4 that grants some kind of empowerment for the wedding. Certainly if they can pool their power together more tightly through the bonds of marriage, TWO people with Soul 4 is likely to be an insane amount of power.

Marrying her outright is plausible but problematic in its own way. This is good to use up a hell of a lot of goodwill from our family & we'd need to pretty much tow the line on other issues & make ourselves useful. We'd need a helpful solution to the Dita issue & really make ourselves useful solving magical issues.

bastur2 · Mar 24, 2014

megrisvernin said:
Marrying her outright is plausible but problematic in its own way. This is good to use up a hell of a lot of goodwill from our family & we'd need to pretty much tow the line on other issues & make ourselves useful. We'd need a helpful solution to the Dita issue & really make ourselves useful solving magical issues.

at this point, marriage to us is the better solution (for us and her).

megrisvernin · Mar 24, 2014

bastur2 said:
at this point, marriage to us is the better solution (for us and her).

Dunno. We'll see. I don't understand medieval politics well. I'll let other members weight on that.

Adyen · Mar 24, 2014

megrisvernin said:
If we want to apply IRL genetics to it I've heard marrying a cousin only increases the prevalence of genetic disorders by 4%. Considering that we have flesh magic I think we could probably resolve any minor deformities that did occur anyways.

I forget but will marrying her actually cause a big backlash? Just on the cousin issue not the other more relevant issues. Cause I seem to remember that cousin marrying isn't a big issue in IRL Mainland Europe.

If you're talking about Dita and genetic diseases, here's the relevant quote from Shaper just above.

Genetically speaking Dita probably isn't even human, let alone closely related to you. Her personal magic is all hereditary, after all, and there aren't any other blondes in your family.

fitzgerald · Mar 24, 2014

Katrina other than not inheriting a barony wouldnt use up goodwill or seem foolish.

Kats a full fledged Priestess of Ttoth (10% of the pop) and said worshippers are considered respectable (if a bit sissy in a scholarly way)

megrisvernin · Mar 24, 2014

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If you're talking about Dita and genetic diseases, here's the relevant quote from Shaper just above.

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I meant this line.

On that note making Chesna our cousin instead of Ezti was a cruel but masterful stroke of GMing

Adyen · Mar 24, 2014

Ah. Then this is the relevant quote:

Correct. The incest taboo is significantly weaker than in most modern cultures, but it's still something that would be a bit embarassing and would make some people talk. If you were going Hero route it wouldn't be enough to matter, but if you're going Feudal Lord it will create a perception of weakness that you'll have to overcome.

Arkeus · Mar 24, 2014

Adyen said:
Actually, if you're looking for money and troop to defend it, Ezti is a bad choice since she's not very rich and I don't think she's overly armed with troops - mainly enough to deter her enemies.

The fact that marrying her automatically creates a block of enemies makes her pretty much one of the worst choice for the feudal lord choice unless we neutralize those problems first - in which case, we might be better off just finding someone else and putting the same amount of effort into making them BETTER.

You haven't noticed that any marriage choice brings us a lot of enemies and limitations? ShaperV hasn't given us a "obvious" marriage option because it's much more fun to have real repercussions for our choices.

fitzgerald said:
Katrina other than not inheriting a barony wouldnt use up goodwill or seem foolish.

Kats a full fledged Priestess of Ttoth (10% of the pop) and said worshippers are considered respectable (if a bit sissy in a scholarly way)

drake_azathoth said:
The fact that Katiana can pretty much just pull up gold and rubies and whatever else out of the earth ANY TIME SHE WANTS... Yeah, on second thought, if Zarana's really on her game I'm up for that. Intrigue can be a very big deal, and we're sort of lacking in it. If she is willing to make some kind of allowance for Katiana, even better, I think Katiana MAY be willing to share with another woman.

Otherwise I think marrying Katiana and getting her FULL backing is worth it. Think about all the things she's been able to do so far with only a portion of her effort. Also, she talks a lot about the value of her virginity. There may be an actual wizardry ritual she knows with her meaty wizardry 4 that grants some kind of empowerment for the wedding. Certainly if they can pool their power together more tightly through the bonds of marriage, TWO people with Soul 4 is likely to be an insane amount of power.

A marriage to Kat (and by this i mean only to Kat) is interesting because of the possible personal power boost and also because so far she seems like the most powerful (personally) of the choices that isn't Dita. The issues with marrying her would be on how to sell that marriage to the family, as it means not making an alliance whatosever by marriage. We'd have to prove to them we have been making alliances regardless, for example.

megrisvernin said:
Actually scratch that. Wasn't there a comment that we could marry someone else & Kat would be fine marrying us with her own ceremony, or is that just in my mind.

fitzgerald said:
A t this point I'd say Kat is looking very much the front contender for either route.

fitzgerald said:
Yes. However the issue with that is getting the other wife to not pitch an absolute fit over that.

Which given that we know only our Cousins would be the easy ones to agree with Kat marrying Dominic as well.

On that note making Chesna our cousin instead of Ezti was a cruel but masterful stroke of GMing

This is a bad, bad way to look at it.

The issue with marrying Kat or marrying multiple women or men have never been primarily with convincing Kat or the people involved in the marriage. They have been about the political advantages and disadvantages of such a action.

Marrying Kat as a second wife is worse politically BECAUSE she is a priestess of Thoth. If we just married her (not the second wife whole thing), a barbarous girl from a allied country, we would be seen as a bit insane but that's all, especially if we can pretend she is a noble in Egypt. We'll have backlash from the family about the lack of political gain, but we could sell it to them otherwise.

Getting her as a second wife is so much worse than this because not only is it a marriage that won't be recognized within Berjoria (think the equivalent in the USA if you flied to to China, married a ten years old there, and came back with her), but because the learned nobles may actually know that priestess of Thoth are empowered to do their own marriages. So we would not only considered have most considering Kat as a common mistress, but also a very real danger of being burned for Heresy if anyone realize that we actually did marry her.

That's...the worse of both world, for very minimal gains compared to "just secure Kat as our retainer" or "Marry Kat".*

TL;DR: 1°) The issue with Marrying Kat has always been with marrying a barbarous girl from a weird if allied country, not her lack of gain;2°) Marrying multiple men/women have always been problematic because it's illegal, not because we can't find a harem; 3°) Marrying someone under any other rite than Khersian, especially a rite that is considered Heretic (only one marriage in Khersis rites) will see us burned. 4°) Kat Being a priestess of Thoth makes things worse because of her being nominally allied to Berjoria. It's one thing to ignore the delusions of a barbarous mistress, it's another to ignore the heresies of a allied priestess. We all know what happens to Nobles that do heretic/illegal things that can't be ignored.

megrisvernin said:
Marrying her outright is plausible but problematic in its own way. This is good to use up a hell of a lot of goodwill from our family & we'd need to pretty much tow the line on other issues & make ourselves useful. We'd need a helpful solution to the Dita issue & really make ourselves useful solving magical issues.

Any marriage has it's own issues, it's the whole point of the marriage choices.

Thomasfoolery · Mar 24, 2014

Can we ask Kat why she's so set on getting married anyway? Based on her goals of being the most awesome of magic users it doesn't seem all that necessary. Does it have something to do with the mystical properties of her virginity she mentioned earlier?

Also is Arkeus right in his evaluation of Thoth marriage? Because I feel like he's overstating how much Borjerian nobles give a damn about Thoth, and that if found out they'd consider it more like playacting in very bad taste with a mistress, rather than anything real that would jeopardize the legality of a true marriage under Khersis. And it's dangerous more because of the large social stigma it gets us from other nobles if it was found out, rather than actually being something we'd burn for.

Adyen · Mar 24, 2014

Arkeus said:
You haven't noticed that any marriage choice brings us a lot of enemies and limitations? ShaperV hasn't given us a "obvious" marriage option because it's much more fun to have real repercussions for our choices.

Actually... Dita's and Kat's at the moment only has a reputation hit, but no actual enemies. There is a slight limitation on Dita's as we would be expected to help her in her quest, but I think we can personally take that slight hit to our rep for marrying our cousin (in name only) for helping our grandfather deal with a headache of his.

A marriage to Kat (and by this i mean only to Kat) is interesting because of the possible personal power boost and also because so far she seems like the most powerful (personally) of the choices that isn't Dita. The issues with marrying her would be on how to sell that marriage to the family, as it means not making an alliance whatosever by marriage. We'd have to prove to them we have been making alliances regardless, for example.

TL;DR: 1°) The issue with Marrying Kat has always been with marrying a barbarous girl from a weird if allied country, not her lack of gain;2°) Marrying multiple men/women have always been problematic because it's illegal, not because we can't find a harem; 3°) Marrying someone under any other rite than Khersian, especially a rite that is considered Heretic (only one marriage in Khersis rites) will see us burned. 4°) Kat Being a priestess of Thoth makes things worse because of her being nominally allied to Berjoria. It's one thing to ignore the delusions of a barbarous mistress, it's another to ignore the heresies of a allied priestess. We all know what happens to Nobles that do heretic/illegal things that can't be ignored.

I agree with most of these points, though I think a lot of the nay-sayers are going to change tunes when Kat starts finding all the precious stone deposits underground like some bloodhound.

Arkeus · Mar 24, 2014

Adyen said:
Actually... Dita's and Kat's at the moment only has a reputation hit, but no actual enemies. There is a slight limitation on Dita's as we would be expected to help her in her quest, but I think we can personally take that slight hit to our rep for marrying our cousin (in name only) for helping our grandfather deal with a headache of his.

I think you might have forgotten that Kat has killed our neighbour Baron Timis' heir. Marrying her won't make him pleased at all with our family. Might be worse than Rogatica's reaction if we marry Ezti.

For Dita, you might have forgotten that Dita attracts demons and as such would have assassins after her, that she is a priestess of Inovia and as such may be deemed an Heretic if she becomes too famous, and has the whole "spiritually linked with a Raksasha" thing.

EDIT: This reminds me that we still haven't asked Kat about what is a 'Seeker', and what are spirits guides.

Also, in case someone asks about Chesna: Marrying Chesna gives Dominic two Baronies, the only option that does so. It also is the marriage with the wife that gives the least of direct conflict. We can pretty much convince her to become anything, and she has pretty decent stats (her attributes are the exact equal to Ezti's, though Ezti is much more skilled).

I expect the catch being Pavel NOT being pleased by us messing up years of work on a Xanathos Gambit. You don't make the Epic Warlord angry.

Basically, us marrying Chesna is probably the option that puts us in direct conflict with the family (as in, we actually make it weaker for our own personal gains).

Re-EDIT:

Thomasfoolery said:
Also is Arkeus right in his evaluation of Thoth marriage? Because I feel like he's overstating how much Borjerian nobles give a damn about Thoth, and that if found out they'd consider it more like playacting in very bad taste with a mistress, rather than anything real that would jeopardize the legality of a true marriage under Khersis. And it's dangerous more because of the large social stigma it gets us from other nobles if it was found out, rather than actually being something we'd burn for.

To be clear, i meant a second marriage under Thoth rite, not marrying Kat with both Khersis and Thoth ones.

staplesdex2 · Mar 24, 2014

My opinion is that if we could put any marriages to use then it won't matter with what bad rep we gain. From what I see any direct benefits we bring to our fief and ourselves would outweigh any so-called "shame" we get from anyone.

I'm going in this with purely game mechanics so why not keep training any diplomatic and/or social skills and building our fief to be wealthy than the rest of the continent to sell it to the rest of the family? We chose a freakin' Mage Lord route so why not put that to good use?

Walkir · Mar 24, 2014

megrisvernin said:
Actually scratch that. Wasn't there a comment that we could marry someone else & Kat would be fine marrying us with her own ceremony, or is that just in my mind.

Jup.

ShaperV said:
On a personal level Kat tends to communicate through little hints and comments instead of just sitting down and talking about her concerns, which can sometimes be a little annoying. But she's affectionate and playful and a hell of a lot less inhibited than most Borjerians, which makes up for a lot. At this point she's made it pretty clear that she's willing to play second wife to a Borjerian noblewoman if need be, and she doesn't care if that's legal in Borjeria - as a priestess of Thoth she's empowered to perform her own marriage ritual, and that's good enough for her. She seems quite impressed with Dita, and has hinted a couple of times that she'd make a better wife than a Khersian zealot or an ornamental socialite.

Falconis · Mar 24, 2014

Thomasfoolery said:
Can we ask Kat why she's so set on getting married anyway? Based on her goals of being the most awesome of magic users it doesn't seem all that necessary. Does it have something to do with the mystical properties of her virginity she mentioned earlier?

Generally, people will want to get married and have children. This is a common thing and I don't really believe it requires any deep reading.

Kat is extremely talented, good looking, and would be an amazing catch for any man. It is logical that she will not want to settle for less when she can quite easily bag some kind of minor Noble on looks alone.

At this time in the world, super long lifespans aren't common, so you want to secure a marriage as quickly as you can before you have to compete with younger women and be thought of as 'old' for marriage or strange for not being married yet.

ShaperV · Mar 25, 2014

Thomasfoolery said:
Also is Arkeus right in his evaluation of Thoth marriage? Because I feel like he's overstating how much Borjerian nobles give a damn about Thoth, and that if found out they'd consider it more like playacting in very bad taste with a mistress, rather than anything real that would jeopardize the legality of a true marriage under Khersis.

It would be a bit more serious than that, but not as bad as Arkeus makes it out to be.

The Church of Khersis treats their alliance with the Egyptian pantheon a lot more seriously than they do the nominal one with Inovia, because Egypt is a lot more respectable. Egypt has stood essentially unchanged for thousands of years as tides of conflict have washed around it, and the place is a major center of culture in addition to being a world power. So while Borjerians think Egyptians are pretty decadent, they can't just dismiss them as barbarians they way they would other foreigners.

The legal problem is easy to skirt if you do things in the right order, because the system is set up to avoid offending important visitors from Egypt. The Church of Khersis won't perform multiple marriages, and it's an offense against the Church to lie about your marital status while setting up a wedding. But if you have a normal Borjerian wedding with some noble lady first, and then an Egyptian ceremony with Katiana later, you haven't broken any laws. The marriage wouldn't be recognized under Borjerian law, but that just means Kat would be seen as a mistress instead.

If it became public knowledge that you had a Thothian marriage with Kat it would be a juicy scandal, and all the noble ladies would be outraged. Male nobles will be split - many will be put off by this violation of tradition, while others will take one look at Kat and congratulate you on your creativity (you lucky bastard you).

One of the better ways to defuse that would be to make sure Kat is publicly known and recognized as an authentic Egyptian wizard before then. The Egyptian Magi (as their organization is called) are the most respected practitioners of magic in the Western world, and it's hard for even a Khersian zealot to accuse one of witchcraft and be taken seriously. So then if your relationship comes out most nobles will see it as a cynical political ploy to secure the services of an incredibly valuable resource, which would make it a lot less scandalous.

Of course, the problem with that is it means advertising the fact that Kat works for you, which means Timis will find out and everyone will hear what happened to his son. Legally there's nothing Timis can do as long as Kat is on your land and under your protection (well, nothing short of invading you). But there would be quite a public relations fight, and depending on how that goes it could seriously hurt your reputation or that of your family.

Falconis said:
Generally, people will want to get married and have children. This is a common thing and I don't really believe it requires any deep reading.

Kat is extremely talented, good looking, and would be an amazing catch for any man. It is logical that she will not want to settle for less when she can quite easily bag some kind of minor Noble on looks alone.

At this time in the world, super long lifespans aren't common, so you want to secure a marriage as quickly as you can before you have to compete with younger women and be thought of as 'old' for marriage or strange for not being married yet.

Exactly. Also, after losing her father and ending up a hunted fugitive for several months Kat probably wants some stability in her life.

ShaperV · Mar 25, 2014

For once there doesn't seem to be any debate about what to do next, so Dominic will go with:

Dominic
1) Hunt Threat: Beastmen
2) Meet with Zarana, court her, learn as much as possible about her and her Barony. If you think it's safe, find an intrigue to play with her.
3) Research more sophisticated healing

Dita
1) Swordsmanship 4/4
2) Hunt Threat: Beastmen

Kat
1) Finish Granary
[Note: 'Hunt Threat' requires a full action, so Kat can't do that in addition to building the granary.]

Sir Bialis
1) Hunt Threat: Beatsmen

Jaroslaw
1) Hunt Threat: Beatsmen

Traian
1) Purchase transports necessary for the granary project, begin planning road repair if he has the time.

Men at arms
1st Corzu Foot - 5 men at arms, 20 spearmen, 15 archers: Hunt Beastmen
2nd Corzu Foot - 5 men at arms, 20 spearmen, 15 archers: Hunt Beastmen
Corzu Garrison - 5 men at arms, 20 spearment, 10 archers: Garrison

1) Talk to Dita about Tavi
2) Call up Ditrik to help hunt the Beastmen
3) Analyze Dita's magic while she is doing various things, trying to ascertain how much of her Faerie gifts work like the Chosen's, and whether she could learn to channel them through mediation and visualization like the Chosen could.
4) Do the same with Kat if you have the time. While her mother being a Efreet might just be bravado, it might not. Likewise, bring up the idea of a tough physical regimen. A Healthy Mind lives in a Healthy Body, after all.
5) Write a letter to Boris inviting him to visit Corzu

staplesdex2 · Mar 25, 2014

So in essence Kat is guaranteed to be our mistress and be part of our nascent harem? Fuck Yes! We just have to marry a Borjerian noble first then marry Kat second.

The thing with Timis we could deal with him with enough social and diplomatic skill that will be gained later.

fitzgerald · Mar 25, 2014

@ ShaperV

1) Is Wergild a thing in Bojeria? Aka a crime was commited and money paid in compensation

2) Could we reasonably acquire seasoned Men at Arms from our Father / Grandfather is we pay the full sums involved (aka We pay out the full cash needed to recruit them) on a visit

megrisvernin · Mar 25, 2014

staplesdex2 said:
So in essence Kat is guaranteed to be our mistress and be part of our nascent harem? Fuck Yes! We just have to marry a Borjerian noble first then marry Kat second.

The thing with Timis we could deal with him with enough social and diplomatic skill that will be gained later.

It's questionable what other Borjerian noble would be alright with it. Kat is going to be threatening to most of them.

staplesdex2 · Mar 25, 2014

megrisvernin said:
It's questionable what other Borjerian noble would be alright with it. Kat is going to be threatening to most of them.

There was Chesna but others closed that route. We just have to pass some social skills to get any Borjerian noble wife Dominic marries to have her accept the mistress and harem thing.

Arkeus · Mar 25, 2014

ShaperV said:
The Church of Khersis treats their alliance with the Egyptian pantheon a lot more seriously than they do the nominal one with Inovia, because Egypt is a lot more respectable. Egypt has stood essentially unchanged for thousands of years as tides of conflict have washed around it, and the place is a major center of culture in addition to being a world power. So while Borjerians think Egyptians are pretty decadent, they can't just dismiss them as barbarians they way they would other foreigners.

One of the better ways to defuse that would be to make sure Kat is publicly known and recognized as an authentic Egyptian wizard before then. The Egyptian Magi (as their organization is called) are the most respected practitioners of magic in the Western world, and it's hard for even a Khersian zealot to accuse one of witchcraft and be taken seriously. So then if your relationship comes out most nobles will see it as a cynical political ploy to secure the services of an incredibly valuable resource, which would make it a lot less scandalous.

Of course, the problem with that is it means advertising the fact that Kat works for you, which means Timis will find out and everyone will hear what happened to his son. Legally there's nothing Timis can do as long as Kat is on your land and under your protection (well, nothing short of invading you). But there would be quite a public relations fight, and depending on how that goes it could seriously hurt your reputation or that of your family.

This is rather amusing, because it makes me think you are continuing your trend of making powerful prospects paved on a hard road:

1°) Marrying Etzi and then Kat would be, on the short term, the most dangerous political marriages we could do for our side of the lands: Both Timis and Rogatica would be very angry at us, and before Pavel comes back they might be quite tempted to make an alliance to take out both Pischia and Kisnuc. Or at least to invade us enough to seriously weaken us.

2°) However, if we can pull it off, it would be the best way to make a show of how we are a acceptable Feudal Lord expert on magic to both our Family and the public. We'd have both a very devout Khersian wife with great relationships with the church, and a Egyptian Wizardess they can neither ignore or dismiss as witchery. This would probably be the 'best' political presentation for our wish to be a Mage-Lord.

megrisvernin said:
It's questionable what other Borjerian noble would be alright with it. Kat is going to be threatening to most of them.

Marrying Kat as a second wife would probably stamp us with "That eccentric Lord" and make people uncomfortable because we are embracing other countries' cultures. Marrying Ezti might help counterbalance this, and marrying Zarana might give us enough intrigue abilities to deal with it.

It would definitely have an impact on any public relations we have, and almost certainly harden Boris' position as the Heir and Dominic's as the Wild younger sibling.

Having a "Wild younger sibling" and a "Eccentric lord" tag isn't a bad thing if we want people to gloss over us being a Epic Mage, though.

staplesdex2 said:
There was Chesna but others closed that route. We just have to pass some social skills to get any Borjerian noble wife Dominic marries to have her accept the mistress and harem thing.

Can you explain why you think Chesna's route is closed? She pretty much told us that she will try to hang on to us when leaving, and i doubt that Lala or Gavrilla can marry Chesna off without Pavel's express agreement.

@ShaperV:
1°) What are Seekers and Spiritual Guides?
2°) What are our Sisters' names, and do we have noticed any particular talents they might hold (both if we want to use them ourself, or if we want to try to marry one off to Rogatica or some such).

staplesdex2 · Mar 25, 2014

I had the impression that other players in this quest do not want to marry her. I may have been mistaken though.

megrisvernin · Mar 25, 2014

I don't mind marrying Chesna.

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