General World of Darkness Discussion Thread QQ Edition

Ragura · Mar 21, 2025

Some FUN starter characters

Ravnos with compulsive Arson
Ventrue that can only feed on vampire hunters
Tremere secretly blood bound to a Baali. Does not know the latter part.
Nosferatu with 5 dots in Potence and none in Obfuscate or Stealth

Finagle007 · Apr 14, 2025

shadowdice said:
I ended up doing a read-react through of the Los Angeles by Night Sourcebook due to starting a WC story in VTM

Smiling Jack

Legally not Blackbeard for some reason

Claims to have never been a captain of a ship

Is a terrorist, might as well be played by Keanu Reeves

Max Melee and Brawl for action movie scenes and knows Thaumaturgy fire magic.

Tidbit: It's all in the Blood, a very good VTM/Worm fic over on SB, has Jack having been First Mate of the Queen Anne's Revenge back when he was alive.

Konradleijon · Apr 15, 2025

shadowdice said:
I ended up doing a read-react through of the Los Angeles by Night Sourcebook due to starting a WC story in VTM

Little read through of the Los Angels by Night book.

The outfight opening says that "Los Angeles is a difficult city to define" with people who live there saying that it lacks culture and actual themes, tv says it is busty blondes and young movie executives (which....I can't think of the major people involved outside of actors being young there even in the 90s), the media says it is a wasteland of ghettos (I have relatives who were in the military who say it looks worse than warzones in some areas so yes) that can't stop rioting

Also fires because the government made laws against the proper way of disposing of foliage making the place one big tinderbox for a pyromaniac's wet dreams.

The writers here go "L.A is much better thought of as a collection of interdependent communities than as a traditional city. Burbank has a definable identity, as does santa monica." before admitting that the various communities and such have tons of tension and fights. Sometimes literal.

Okay, so, part of the issue here is that the book is calling L.A a city while referring to the greater Los Angeles metropolitan county. The county is a fuck ton of cities all in the same general area.

The book also notes that characters succeeding in destroying princes that oppress them (because the setting and writers NEED the prince to be an oppressive bad-wrong force) the GM/Storyteller will have the issue of having to deal with a new political system and state of a city. Oddly, the book says that you can change names and places in this book as a model for a city that "has suddenly lost its prince, most of its elders, and all of its internal structures." Which is WAY harder than you'd think. For one, L.A has not had a prince for over 40 years. The book is set in the early 90s when the American Anarch revolt was in 1944. The vampires made in that time period were "The Greatest Generation" and WW2 was still going on. The situation in L.A isn't recent, it is a half century blood cot containing innumerable diseases.

You would also need a Systematic slaughter of pretty much every power in a city to have what was just described, and be fanatical zealots so focused on murder you don't try to wrest control of the internal structures. But these are Anarch and burning shit down without thinking of the consequences of their actions seems to be the theme.

Which the writers don't seem to learn very well since we still have this plotline over 30 years later in Real Time.

And I had stuff earlier but a reload ate the text. So going over from the top.

LA Overview

The book tends to talk about freedom and not having to deal with princes while also then admitting Oh Yeah, the Barons are obsessed with having as much land as possible like they were warring states China and aggressively make grabs while generally being on a Kill First Ask Questions Never binge when it comes to vampires they meet in their territory. Because that is totally different and better than the camarilla. Jeremy MacNeil, the totally not a prince, claims to not be in charge and the book says no one is in charge, but he has a secret high tech bond villain lair which is patched into every law enforcement agency in the city scanning them for any mention of the supernatural and editing it out of reports. Barons tend to have 6-25 vampire gangs that work for them due to a mixture of force and charisma (they totally aren't princes or sheriffs).

It claims that the Camarilla is worried about the Anarchs breaking the masquerade and revealing vampires to the world, which is honestly how the CIA should have learned about vampires as they had open warfare in the city, but the writers decided to blame the CIA learning about vampires on the Camarilla and Nosferatu.

Everyone wears leather, studs, shades, and go out armed. Which is just what VTM tends to be anyways

The Anarchs actively cause forest fires to kill lupines instead of it being incompetence by the government not understanding how wildfires work and are involved in the events of the 1992 riots. Any time the government is slow to act or messes up is because a vampire has dominated someone too much and really the human spirit and government can do things fast and effectively if vampires aren't involved.

Assamites failed an assassination attempt on Jeremy MacNeil and decided to not try again after he killed an elder of the clan, which...doesn't sound like the Assamites in ANY edition.

Setites face more pushback from werewolves than from other vampires and manipulate city hall.

Giovanni primarily stay in Las Vegas despite their massive ties to the mafia.

Ravnos are "don't need to be worried about persecution by princes" a drum rapidly beat throughout the book because the writers can't concieve of anything else. Also not helped that Even V5 has almost every ravnos be a shady bastard out to betray everyone. Also a religion based around diablerie and chaos.

Werewolves somehow got duped by Pentex into believing an earthquake was caused by the Uktena (native american werewolves)

Mages are mostly limited to Verbana (neopagans) that are looking at the werewolf Caerns going "How do i get access to that" Hollow Ones (equivalent to caitiff" that don't know what's going on, and technomancers that were apparently nose deep in the CIA's cocaine for so long they didn't notice LA really being a thing where anything happens.

Meanwhile, the gaming industry is run by Pentex along with a bunch of other stuff.

Road travel to the Free States has issues because nearby Princes actively try to stop people from going there, rail travel has baggage inspectors, air travel is the most popular method and Totally Not A Prince Jeremy declared LAX airport a neutral zone because he's Totally Not A Prince despite it being Crypts Sons territory, which is not all that helpful as people spawncamp to kill or diablerize people there. As such, a lot of people go through other airports. Sea travel can be set up by David Geduld for 10,000 dollars (which is in 90s money not 2020s) but only out of touch elders who aren't used to air travel....despite honestly being the best way.

Oh, and the book says that the L.A Metro will be totally safe.....why the fuck would they even say that in World of Darkness?

The History of L.A The Shota Vampire Cometh

In the 1800s, a now hundred year old London orphan that had been embraced as a 13 year old by a shotacon vampire Methuselah fled Boston due to being ridiculed at an art showing (the book flipflops on if his art is actually bad or not which doesn't fit him having some pretty absurd stats for it) and wanted to head over to China as to completely avoid other Toreador. He instead shipwrecked in California and was woken up by Californians on Christmas.

Naturally, he frenzied in a mad rage and killed everyone there until he stalked up to a chicken coup where one guy Don Sebastian, was hiding there, crying, covered in chicken shit. Christopher remembered that he needed adults to do things and made him his ghoul.

He vaguely wanted to recreate Carthage, whose ideals the writers don't really elaborate on in universe to the point where people just say Carthage and not what it stood for all that much, and started to secularize the usually convent or missionary run lands. During which, as a true Californian, Christopher snorted drugs, fucked hookers, and engaged in increasingly more extreme fetishes. Because L.A. He killed off Native Americans, destroyed religion, made brothels and gambling dens, and made a city with an absurdly high kill rate that people kept jumping into for some reason.

Because L.A

He also saw Joaquin Murietta the inspiration for Zorro and therefore Batman who WoD summarizes as just being an insane murderer when there are over a dozen stories about what might have resulted in him becoming a bandit and went "I want that" to the point of turning him into his vampire hitman.

Lucifer then whispered in Christopher's ear to remember the Carthage idea, and Christopher realized that it would be hard to have people take him seriously as a vampire shota so he turned his ghoul, Don Sebastian, into a vampire as his figurehead while opening libraries and dance academies. Because Toreador. He also dumped massive amounts of water into the sewer to artificially make a water shortage which Lucifer apparently didn't give a fuck about.

Tremere tried to overthrow Don Sebastian, so Christopher and Joaquin murdered an entire chantry with no witnesses.

Right after that the first movies were being shown which had Lucifer and Christopher have a moment of synchronicity in which they decided "I WANT THAT" and mind controlled massive numbers of directors and actors to live in LA instead of the fact that it was straight up cheaper then and had plenty of incentives.

Also, WOD being detailed in the Shotacon NTR

Toreador decadence did not mix well with "Streetwise" Anarchs...leading to Don Sebastian having many issues in his reign, leading to riots and Don Sebastian realizing Christopher liked the Anarchs due to Jeremy. "Christopher embraced Jeremy's vision of a world without princes or overlords of any kind." (which isn't what goddamn happened or what Jeremy does in action).

This made Sebastian so irrationally angry that he kidnapped Jeremy and had him beaten, maybe raped as well while Christopher was out in another city. Salvador Garcia, a spanish revolutionary (i don't think it ever actually describes which group and i am disappointed at there not being a Karlist Socialist who says the economic system totally works with the Karlist monarchy) saw this and used it as a rallying point for a revolt.

The book then quotes Mao right after it says ww2 was full of bad stuff and talks about the "Glorious Revolution" where Anarchs killed off all of the existing power structures. Which is really funny when i call this place Warring States/Warlord Era California. It also ISN'T a case of the Anarchs having a great success on their own but Christopher coming back home to see all the fires, realizing his pet had pissed all over his favorite shiny, and deciding to just walk in and murder all of the old administration himself to the point that Salvador and Jeremy walked in expecting a fight and saw a house covered in blood and entrails of over a dozen kindred before deciding to lie and say they totally did all of this trust me bro.

Salvador then wrote down his manifesto and proclaimed it to the world to start the New Anarch Revolt, totally unrelated to the one before, it won't lead to a new sabbat, trust me bro.

They are totally going to abide by this and actually enforce it.

I want this to be understood.

The success of the Anarch Revolt in America hinges not on the Anarchs outnumbering people, not on their skill, not on the fact that it has a nearly 400 year old Elder running the show for his politics in defiance to the claim of it being about Neonates, but because a Toreador Shota walked out of his house one day and came back to see his gimp trying to hatefuck his Idoru and decided to burn the house down.

All of this could have been avoided if a blood bonded Californian wasn't obsessed with his English Shota femboy that wanted to be dommed by the Scottish Highlander.

So, if you want to rule L.A. Attract a 300 year old shota and pet his head to control his abandomnet/daddy issues.

The Siege of LA, Nothing Ever Happens

VTM has massive identity issues when it comes to the Camarilla. Anarchs claim that the Nosferatu and Tremere wanted to put boots on the ground and destroy L.A, which...The Tremere and Nosferatu have very different ways to do that. But the book also tries to imply that the Camarilla is a monolithic entity when the identities of the Camarilla Inner Circle if it ever was defined, is either on a file or slip of paper somewhere few people likely look at, or in the head of someone who might not even work in White Wolf anymore. It also talks about how the Camarilla were worried about the Revolt spreading to cities around the world, which gets into issues with vampire communication networks and how the culture should differ Wildly between A Bunch of Californians (native and adapted) compared to a bunch of Latvian or Norwegian vampires.

"They (the Justicars) heatedly denied rumors that they were afraid to fight the anarchs or that their masters had been involved in the uprising" there is so much Anarch glazing in the books. The Inner Circle supposedly thought about putting economic sanctions against L.A and got stonewalled by the Anarch Revolutionary Council (because they are communists) claiming they will open relations with the Japanese Gaki (who have gotten a ton of rewrites and honestly, should fucking hate the Chinese Courts but VTM Asia is a magical land. None of the Anarchs know any Gaki either). Which is called racism by the book....when the book acknowledges that most of the western nations were at war with Japan...but that is something of a misnomer as most of Europe was primarily concerned with Europe. This feels like the writers forgot that most of the world isn't America. Like, part of the inner circle is likely a bunch of French and Germans due to the makeup of the Founders and they should primarily be concerned with "Did my nation just bomb my several hundred year old ally into oblivion"

That, and Western vampires don't really know jack shit about the goings on of supernatural creatures in Asia. It is also saying that in1945, the Camarilla was worried about Japan being able to keep them in check.

1945

August 6th 1945 is when America Dropped The Sun on Japan twice. Before then, America had dropped enough bombs in Tokyo to melt people.

We also have the statement that clan loyalty totally doesn't cause any issues in the gangs and is totally different from the Camarilla.....ignore the predominance of Brujah in leadership. Ignore the fact that a lot of the Anarchs hate Ventrue and Tremere. Ignore that the very concept of the Camarilla came from a bunch of leaders in the clans coming together to say they were going to work together and give representation to the clans as a group in an area. Gang culture totally fufills all the stuff clan membership does. Ignore your lying eyes.

Oh, and when one guy claimed all of San Fernando Valley as his private territory, he was overreaching and killed. When Jeremy MacNeil reserved San Fernando Valley AND most of Central L.A as a gang free zone under his control that anyone can have a haven in, it was totally okay with only some detractors.

Remember he is a Brujah with presence and that should give the in-universe explanation instead of the book being honest.

The Sabbat went on to attack and L.A was only saved by LA suddenly being controllable (Christopher stepping in) and they had to wait until a riot to do anything in the looting which only netted them one major kill. Meanwhile, the Camarilla didn't try to fight anyone despite close to a hundred vampires dying and a good section of the city burning down.

Snake People worship the Not Snake God

L.A is a overcooked desert drug den in the middle of nowhere. Meaning it is a place loved by the Setites, a blood cult of vampires that want to destroy the world for their founder that claims to totally be a Benevolent God of Hookers and Drugs because that gives people gnostic enlightenment.

Who is Snake themed because the writers based it on Conan originally and then had to justify that with there being a connection to The Wyrm from Werewolf while not going into detail about that. Aka an Antediluvian got corrupted by an eldritch force of entropy. I ran with this when I did a gehenna campaign with Set trying to fuse with and subsume the Wyrm like how Ennoia wants to become one with the Earth/Gaia.

So, in 1944 a redheaded woman named Dawn Cavanaugh came home to see that the werewolves had burned down her Temple of Set. She set up a new one in Hollywood Hills near Griffith Park (a site of wyrm corruption) and gave Hollywood elites magical drugs in exchange for power and orgies. She promptly got a lot of favors until a younger Setite named Nicholas leaked her location to Jeremy MacNeil, who ignored the rules he had set to kill a Setite for being a Setite as even HE comprehends that having them around is a bad idea. She escaped and set up two more temples.

Meanwhile, V5 has the Anarchs ignore his example and accept almost the entire clan into their ranks.

Because V5 is insane.

Look, it isn't the Crips and Bloods

The Sabbat are still around through a very heretical vampire called Mohammed al-Muthlim (Mohammad of the Darkness) who can somehow hide that he is a Lasombra from the Anarchs. He made a gang called The Sons of the Crypt, which then got called Crypts Sons, and then Crypts which controls over a dozen communities by having large numbers of mostly black gangsters to have sects in most major cities. Because Crips. The drugs and violence attracted the interest of Reverend John Davis, a priest with the True Faith necessary to make a vampire start rolling around on the dirt screaming in pain if they can't control themselves in his presence.

This priest saw the Lasombra eating a kid and proceeded to ring up all the other gangs he knew about and tell them "Okay, so, vampires are real. The guys who you keep shooting that keep coming back are vampires, here is a stake and a cross so use the power of GOD TO BURN THE DRUG DEALING VAMPIRES" Which created The Vitae/Bloods in this universe. John was killed but the burden of leadership was taken up by Reverend Leon Cutler.

I am immensely disappointed in VTM not having a member of the Bloods be a True Faith priest with bible verses tattooed across his hands to punch and slap scars of holy texts into vampire faces.

Ventrue and Giovanni are also involved in the gangs, including some of the Blood gangs....the writers were not even trying as they outright call it Blood gangs.

Rodney King riots occured in 92 which gave Mohammed a chance to attack the Blood without managing to get any distinctive wins.

Geography of Hell Itself
The Anarch Free States are loosely 6 blocks

Barony of the Angels (LA proper)

Northwest Baronies; Simi Valley, Santa Clarita, San Fernando Valley, West L.A also Werewolves

Central baronies: Crypts Sons area, El Hermandad's territory (noteably they refer to the areas by the gang instead of location) Whittier, Covina, and The Wilds

Northeast baronies: Pasadena, Glendale, Burbank

Southers/Coastal: Torrance, Long Beast, Huntington Beast, Anaheim, Santa Ana

Outlying Baronies; San Diego, Fresno, San Jose

Barony of the Angels: 59 vampires, 3million+ mortals

South-Central LA is controlled my the Crypts Sons, El Hermandad has East LA, Louis Fortier has West Los Angeles through Beverly Hills. Downtown, Hollywood, and Hollywood Hills are enforced as a no gang control rule area by Totally Not Prince Jeremy who keeps it as an open hunting ground. Most of the vampires there are uninterested in fighting or bad at it.

And because it is written by people who like L.A, the important vampires live in Hollywood Hills.

We then immediately go into L.A nightlife. Which vampires have difficulty involving themselves in because gangs will choose different places people party at and violently keep anyone they don't know from entering with the exception of the area run by Not A Prince Jeremy. We then ignore that with the "A Taste of L.A" that is a general hangout Nightclub because and i quote "Most large cities have Kindred nightclubs." Crispus Attucks and Salvador Garcia made the Taste which is a combination "Coffeehouse and YMCA for kindred all over the world."

My concept of YMCA is probably very different from whatever the writers are thinking of as i generally associate that with sports. Salvador owns the Taste but has two ghouls run it. "Old time revolutionaries, Murray and Alexis date back to the 1960s when they got involved in the student activist movement in Berkley. They were part of the group that filtered down to Santa Barbara in the late 60s and helped burn the hated Bank of America in Isla Vista."

Revolutionary really just means rioting warlord in this book. The "Nightclub" is also based on European cafes which i have issues imagining as a nightclub. There is only a small stage and most of the place is tables for people to sit at...which again doesn't really sound like Nightclub to me. They reference vampire bands that have played there, such as Baby Chorus from Chicago that somehow got to L.A and back without the people pissed off at them in Chicago destroying their shit.

The Taste is treated as an Elysium but is totally not an elysium despite having all the same non-aggression agreements. Gangs also recruit from people that have just come over to the city.

Club Zombie is a former factory that a gay couple turned into a mortuary themed nightclub. Vampires presumed that the place full of open coffins and fake skeletons was a fun place to go. Louis Fortier went to them and made the couple his ghouls since vampires were going there anyways. This one is also an actual nightclub with dancing.

Vampires also hold raves in various places where "It is not considered proper to supply mortals for oneself"

View: https://youtu.be/Kd6UtMo3JDw

Which is very relevant as the Raves have an issue of banning one gang resulting in them shooting it up, so you have to let all of them in while they generally shank/punch each other which can still turn into one giant brawl. How are people not being assassinated all the time here?

The Church of Our Lady Queen of the Angels has an aura of true faith. I think it is related to the Demon splatbook. The orthodox St. Sophia Cathedral is also causing discomfort for kindred. Little Tokyo has a Gaki (japanese kuei-jin) has a group of koga ninja working for her.......this never comes up in any other book Ever.

Griffith Park, which people might remember from crushing a werewolf to death with an observatory door, is the home of a Black Spiral Dancer Caern which is why L.A is perpetually terrible.

Northwest Baronies

Simi Valley has 100,000 mortals and three sabbat bikers around.

Santa Clarita has 110,000 mortals and 2 vampires which are Walter and Millie Gaspers. If you ever read my L.A Hound story you might remember me calling them vampire Martha and Jon Kent. They were turned into vampires by a Brujah that wanted to make a "perfect family" and they killed him since he assaulted them. They don't know about the existence of other vampires and are farmers that are now dealing with the fact that they can't have kids.

San Fernando Valley has 1 million mortals and 5 vampires. Vampires tend to not live there as they for some reason hate the suburbs. I will tell you know, that barely knowing who lives near you in the suburbs is normal. And a vampire could probably just have a ghoul living there who says their spouse is out on business trips most days.

Malibu has a bunch of Glass Walkers (Technowerewolves) that keep vampires out.

West Los Angeles
330,000 mortals four vampires.

The book insists that the barons of LA are nothing like the medieval barons despite being land obsessed people that are focused on the population of the area so they can extract resources and violently kill anyone that enters their borders using often mounted servants that work for them in exchange for rank and privilege. And kill people who disrespect them.

Because the Anarchists don't just become strong man politics with the strongest and best armed beating the shit out of other people.

Louis Fortier is a french vampire that, because he is french, has collected three vampire brides to blood bond to himself. He also keeps the place economically and politically stable. Noteably Santa Monica is in his domain, which....Jeannette/Therese is from a generation far closer to Caine so she can fuck him up. Also one of his brides is a Sabbat mole so he might die from that or some other plot point in the metaplot.

Central Baronies

The Definitely Not Crips rule over 1.5 million mortals and has 25 vampires on top of their massive gang. Large parts of the place has been burned down with no intent by anyone to rebuild. It includes Downey, Hollywood Park, and doesn't really refer to the communities nut landmarks like museums and the memorial Sports Arena/Memorial Coliseum

El Hermandad has 12 vampires with 810,000 mortal around in East Lost Angeles, Montebello, Pico Revera, Arcadia, Temple City etcetera. Basically they have control over usually latin areas like the Crypt Sons have historically black areas. In the one point where it translates El Hermandad, it says the term means The Brotherhood. Basically, this area is defined by black and latino gangsters trying to murder each other as vampires.

Covina's barony includes West Covina, La Puente, Baldwin Park, Duarte, Azusa and some other places. It doesn't have a baron and has 6 vampires around. A good number of them will work with El Hermandad to ensure the Crypts Sons don't take over.

Whittier has seven vampires and 400,000 mortals. It also includes Norwalk, La Habra, La Mirada, and Santa Fe Springs. They are led by Gloria Martinez (not the Milf from cyberpunk) and support El Harmandad because Latino.

The Wilds has Seven vampires and 180,000 mortals. It doesn't have gangs or a barony. It is mostly forest and desert with places like multiple Heights, Diamond Bar, and Walnut. Most groups that go here seem to diseappear but there are some gangrel.

Northeast baronies
Pasadena has 4 vampires and includes Sierra Madre, La Canada Flintridge, San Marino and a bunch of other places. It is mostly run by Edward and Vera Vignes with their butler and a Nosferatu hiding out watching the telenovela of a man being cucked by his butler. The Vignes have somehow managed to meet a werewolf leader at social functions with neither side noticing that the other is a monster.

Glendale has the evil old twin ladies Edith and Enid Blount that are serial diablerists that love torture so much they learned Vicissitude. Despite young vampires going missing and them having diablerie stains on their aura, people don't realize they are luring newbies in to eat them. Because the Anarchs all seem to have brain damage.

Burbank has 3 vampires with the most famous being Bela the malkavian that thinks he is Count Dracula. Not vlad but movie dracula.

Southern Baronies
Long Beach has 12 surfer bro vampires run by head surfer bro "Main Man" Steve Booth who is apolitical.

Torrance has 13 vampires spread across a bunch of wealthy neighborhoods. Most of them are surfers as well but have more money and work for the ventrue David Geduld who has decided he must unite all the surfer vampires under him even if he has to kill Steve so he can make Long Beach corporate.

Huntington Beach has 5 surfer vampires that like Steve but don't go to long beach since they'd have to cross a US Naval Weapons station, they don't have a leader.

Anaheim has 8 vampires divided into four man gangs between Allison Maller and Tom Weaver. They somehow have a high death rate in their followers so i am supposing the 3 followers they have each is the ones that don't constantly get killed between getting replacements....I know I'm wrong. It also has Disneyland which is treated as Elysium, but it is actually a secret base for the TECHNOMANCER NEW WORLD ORDER!!! WALT DISNEY WAS SECRETLY A GENOCIDAL WIZARD RUNING MIND CONTROL EXPERIMENTS!!! I am not making that up. They also somehow have not noticed vampires having political meetings here.

I ignore that lore in favor of Walt Disney living there as a normal wizard

Santa Ana has 7 vampires and includes Fountain Valley, Garden Grove, Orange, and Tustin. Amethyst has absolute control over five vampires due to blood bonds and disciplines. She has blood bonded Tom Weaver to take over Anaheim for her.

Outlying Baronies
San Diego has 25 vampires and 2.5 million people run by Tara Kearny. She has 15 gangsters so she has the majority of vampires directly working for her. She is trying to turn Camarilla but hasn't yet because the Anarchs keep killing anyone who is Camarilla. The Anarchs are already talking about how they should invade the city and overthrow her because despite what they might say, they are a faction with political goals that refuses to let any other factions exist in peace.

San Jose has 10 vampires holding back the vampires of San Francisco from invading the Free States. They don't have a baron, meaning they are the closest to being actual anarchists and how it only really works with a small group. The winchester house is actual magic and the Rosicrucian Egyptian Museum has actual magic artifacts.

The Clans

I didn't explain vampire clans since I have talked about VTM before. Amending that, The first vampire was Caine, though Qayin might have been another way to spell it. Really, all human languages that exist and are known wouldn't have been around back then as we are dealing with a reality where Genesis or something like that happened.

VTM has played with whether or not the sisters of Cain and Abel were around as Aclima/Calomena is mentioned in a few books as a sister of Caine who might be a vampire. Abel is a wraith and part of why Caine doesn't like necromancy. Whether he had any sisters to boink or not, Caine spent time with Lilith trading his service (likely in more than a few ways) in exchange for knowledge of magic where Lilith botched the ritual and made him undead as that part wasn't Gods fault it seems. He learned multiple disciplines: Fortitude, Celerity, Potence, Presence, Dominate, Auspex, Protean, Obfuscate and likely blood magic but Lilith tried to stop him from creating more as it "Stretched his form." This is an interesting concept which isn't given much follow up in any book as the disciplines which might have come later like Chimestery, Serpentis, Obtenebration, Necromancy, and so on are mostly used by clans that would be considered evil by just about anyone with a functioning brain. Though that might be just because the writers needed ways to make other clans more distinct and based their Hats on power. Lilith is also cursed to never have reciprocal love so Caine is physically and spiritually incapable of loving her and left her BDSM bondage sex cave where she also fucked animals and cthulhu but she blames him for the bad breakup instead of the Literal Curse From God to be single...and the parts of fucking animals and genocidal werewolves.

Caine became horrifically lonely after he was alone without lilith (except maybe his likely twin sister) and saw that Abel had been replaced with Seth who got to go make babies. Not having a family, he figured out how to Embrace others into his family through draining their blood and replacing it with his. He did this at least three times, likely more, with a freakout moment when his adoptive daughter Zillah didn't want to fuck him, so he went to a shady woods witch for help. Got dateraped by the witch, turned it around on her by penetrating her deep in the heart with a wooden shaft, and went back to mind control Zillah into loving him. He later figured out this was a horrible idea and banned the practice.

His kids then said they wanted to have vampire babies of their own and made childer (some of which were without his permission) but he sighed and let his grandkids into his home. Possibly after saying "My children now" when it comes to Lilith's highly abused and possibly feral children like Ennoia (progenitor of the Gangrel) and likely Zapathasura (Ravnos). 13 of these grandkids are acknowledged by modern vampires who constitute the founder of Caines Thirteen Tribes.

All of his grandkids fucked up to the point God sent a flood which Caine looked at and said "yeah, we deserve this" and hunkered down to watch his grandkids and kids realize how screwed they were. This did not keep them from making the same mistakes and going into a civil war doing all the shit Caine told them not to do. So Caine eventually decided to leave as his house was destroyed, only coming back when he sensed his kids and wife died so he could curse all his grandkids for being massive fuckups. There are likely more than these 13 vampires that acted as founders, but people kept eating each other, backstabbing, and being general dicks.

Assamites: Are the Hassashin order but vampire blood mages with a caste system. Their curse includes getting darker skin as they get older. People tend to ignore this a lot despite the fact that it isn't "I get melanin" but rather "I become a goddamn Salamander from 40k" as the oldest ones have craggy black skin and burning eyes. They also have curses involving wanting to eternally suck the blood of other vampires, which is not helped by their belief that they are the chosen people who should be the only vampires to exist, and another curse that makes it so they might die from sucking on other vampires. Because they pissed off wizards multiple times

Brujah: Their founder was originally a nerdy guy who was emotionally deadened by the point he figured out Za Warudo and how to manipulate time. The one exception to his emotional deadening was when he encountered a Musclegirl Tomboy and frenzied to embrace her. She did not enjoy this, believed he might kill her, and later ate him. Caine let it slide while laying down the rule of "Okay, NO MORE OF THIS" Their curse is that they have an incredibly difficult time not going into violent rampages which destroy everything they love. Unfortunately, she got seduced by a probably femboy infernalist and is sealed away underneath carthage for what might be eternity

Cappadocian: Vampire necromancers. Their leader wanted to try and consume god while destroying the difference between life and death to rule over everything and everyone for eternity. Then he got eaten by Augustus Giovanni but managed to throw part of his soul out to not let Augustus get the full power. The Cappadocians had the curse of looking either like corpses or so deathly pale most goths would be confused, they can't mimic human skintones and such. Giovanni instead have immensely painful bites that leave people screaming in agony for the entire time. They are also incestuous mobster necromancers, bankers, and have absorbed many mortal families into their group. Oddly enough, they are fairly good to caitiff and will Adopt caitiff into the clan after bloodbonding them.

Gangrel: Are vampires that can turn into animals. They have multiple bloodlines as they adapt to different situations (underwater, cities, countryside) and have a blood feud with the Ravnos for many reasons. Their curse makes it so they gain animal traits as they frenzy. Game balance made it lessen so these traits slowly go away instead of being permanent. Their Antediluvian is one the Founders who everyone knows the name for, Ennoia, and she went off trying to become one with the planet to rise above the curse of vampirism.

Lasombra: Vampires that can control shadows. They are tied to other-dimensional forces which gets complicated as every game has its own metaphysics. Their curse makes it so they can't have reflections so being near any reflective surface can out them. Their antediluvian wants to become a living shadow merged with another dimension.

Malkavians: Brother of Arikel, founder of the Toreador, he is insane and all of his clan is cursed with insanity. This has had multiple issues with roleplay as people try to be Harley Quinn or Deadpool along with people who can't play consistent characters. Their power has gone through multiple revisions but they noteably have the ability to mindbreak people with their version of mind control. Their founder willingly let himself be group diablerized which made him a psychic network shared between all of his clan. In addition to Arikel he might have other siblings, though it is debated in universe if this is in reference to blood, vampirism, or the fact that he is one of the vampires that few others had issues with.

Nosferatu: Are ugly vampires. They have a workaround as they can disguise their appearance with objects or use of Obfuscate, a power a few others have. Their clan founder was so vain he gives Lasombra a run for its money and believed he was embraced to be an eternal lover for Zillah while also trying to flirt with Arikel and Ennoia. All of them rejected him which bruised his ego on top of a scar on his face. He wants to kill all his kids.

Ravnos: Subject to so many retcons and bad writing decisions including making the clan tied to the stereotypes about Gypsies/Romani that the writers decided to nuke their founder and kill off the vast majority of the clan until v5 retconned the timeline to have more survive and move the events forward in the timescale. As such I subscribe to the belief that V5 is an acid trip made into reality by their founder Zapathathustra to avoid death and fuck with people. Their curse is compulsive behaviors. They get cool powers called Chimestery which allows them to create illusions that eventually become real. V5 fucked their clan curse into being Thunder Warriors that explode if they stay still too long and fucked their discipline spread. Originally they had Fortitude, Animalism, and Chimerstry while V5 changes it to Animalism, Obfuscate, Presence. Which makes it so they are pigeonholed from more combat related roles and have to rely on sneak attacks and social manipulation.

Setites: They deny any relationship with caine despite the Book of Nod, a textbook on vampirism suppossedly written by caine, directly mentioning them. Their antediluvian might have eaten his predecessor like the Brujah did. They have snake powers but can be immobilized by bright lights and cook extra fast under the sun. They are vampire Slaanesh and have castes. Like the Giovanni, they accept converts, though of all clans instead of just caitiff.

Salubri: Are the "Good guy" vampires who are obligated by their curse to not be able to feed off the unwilling lest they burn from the inside out. They also have third eyes that open up as they learn their signature Valeren discipline which varies by the caste. Saulot, their founder, is used as vampire jesus most of the time despite also having a ton of shady stuff involved and possibly creating demon worshipping vampires. He tricked Tremere into eating him and has booted Tremere out of his own body to run the Tremere. As such, Clan Tremere, which is composed of a bunch of wizards that used vampire blood to try and become immortal when their magic grew weaker, has replaced the Salubri as a clan. They don't have a curse really in most editions outside of being partially bloodbound to force them into submission to their elders.

Toreador: Their founder is Arikel, who is a vampire artist who manages to be the person least involved in politics or manipulations as she walled herself off to just eternally create art. She is somehow one of the most sane vampires despite MAYBE being related to lilith and being considered the sister of the guy known for being batshit insane.

Tzimisce: Have you ever seen bodyhorror? That is the tzimisce. They are fleshcrafters and sorcerers who intentionally do the most bizarre stuff to try and achieve perfection. Their idea of perfection will make H.R Geiger have a throbbing hard on while he kisses the pussy lips they grafted onto their forehead. I am serious about that last part. Their founder is like ennoia in trying to spread himself across the planet, but as a virus. Retcons go back and forth on if an eldritch entity, demon, or something else corrupted the entire clan.

Ventrue: A clan which gets pigeon-holed into being evil even amongst the ones that go anarch because of the writers having a hateboner. Their clan name means Pot-bellied in french apparently which gives you an idea of how much the writers respect them when other clans get The Shadow or The Bulldancer or The Undead. Their founder is one which is presumed dead in most timelines and confirmed as such in a few. Their curse is to be limited in their feeding to have a trait that the person needs to be. Such as only Dark Eyed Italian Women, Only Soldiers, Only people that are afraid, or Only Rape Victims unless they are feeding on a vampire or thinblood.

So back to Hell, I mean L.A

Brujah

Ariane

a girl born under the name Jane in Chicago and I have the eternal joy that she isn't one of the many people i've met who changed her name to Lilith. She was turned into a vampire at age 14 in 1992 (2 years ago as the book was released in 94) but is able to pass as 18 with punk makeup. She got turned into a vampire by another young anarch. She lives in Hollywood and is a goddamn genius given that she has Celerity 4 despite being a 13th gen vampire who has only been around for maybe 2 years. Her only real interest is loud music, but she dances to it doesn't play.

Crispus Attucks

born a half African half Indian slave that fled to become a sailor calling himself Michael Johnson. He was in the mob against the british and got shot, resulting in being embraced during the Bostom Massacre. Despite being called a great orater he is also called "A fighter, not a deep thinker...he is content to remain in the Free States, acting as muscle for Jeremy." He also believes that the Anarchs are the best hope for a better world of kindred...despite all the shit happening.

Some FUCKING HOW he has Quietus 2 which is a Assamite only ability. And i can't see them teaching it so I suspect he drank one to death. His phsycial stats are maxed, he has max brawl, and potence 3 celerity 4 fortitude 3

Steve Booth

The Dude if the Dude was a buff surfer vampire without a beard

He died surfing in a storm, resulting in him being turned into a vampire. He has the same vampire mom as Crisupus but this is not ever mentioned.

His vampire mom is incredibly sad that her chasimatic surfer doesn't know anything about politics...because she is dumb and was thinking with her undead pussy. His attitude is "Can't (we) just get along and surf, you know?"

It is only after she gave up that the situation became him having to help his vampire surfers not get turned corporate by a ventrue, accepting responsibility for his people.

He has streetwise 4, leadership 4, and athletics 5. Also Appearance 5. His Vampire Mom sucked that surfer dry because he only wears cutt off jeans.

Salvador Garcia

Spanish farmer anarcho-communist who got killed and turned into a vampire after agitating against the monarchy. Looking up the Mano Negra he was a part of all i see is them robbing bakeries and butchers during a famine.

Apparently Francisco Franco was a tool of the Ventrue and he fled after losing there.

He is straight up a terrorist attempting to form revolutionary groups in the USA and other nations. He has maxed firearms and politics.

Walter and Millie Gaspers

Farmers from Newhall turned into vampires by an anarch they killed in revenge. They only eat animal blood. Walter's base stats are low but Walter has Computers 2, Tech 3, Animalism 3 and science 2 while Millie has Medicine 2 Computer 2, Animal Ken 3 firearms 2 along with higher base stats.

Both have animalism and don't have the full spread of brujah disciplines

The one wholesome part of the book

Jeremy "Not A Prince, Only Won Due To A Shota Wanting To Be Domed" MacNeil

A over 300 year old scottish nobleman and 8th generation brujah. He later fought for the Irish as well. "A strict anarchist, he fervently believes that when people are left to themselves, the strong will survice at the expense of the weak. Eventually, he believes, a cohesive society of these survivors will emerge, with each person acknowledging the equality of his brethren because it has been proven in the flame."

....He is straight up evil, ignore the book saying he has Humanity 7, fuck him.

Allison Maller

A 15 year old hooker that ran away from an abusive family and got turned into a vampire in 85 (the book is set in 94). She had been esanguinated by a guy resulting in Salvador turning her. She secretly killed the guy who he saved her from.

She is fighting Tom Weaver (Really Amethyst) over Anaheim.

She still dresses in the clothes she did as a hooker

Gloria Martinez

A gang girl from the barrio who got turned into a Manchurian agent by the Justicar Petrodon and sought out Salvador to become a vampire

He agreed because he is obsessed with having a Latino gang and helped her take control of Whittier.

Smiling Jack

Legally not Blackbeard for some reason

Claims to have never been a captain of a ship

Is a terrorist, might as well be played by Keanu Reeves

Max Melee and Brawl for action movie scenes and knows Thaumaturgy fire magic.

Tara

basically designed as a category traitor that wants to go camarilla

Realizes all the talk of freedom means jack shit as anyone declaring a city for the Camarilla will get killed by Jeremy for his social experiment.

She isn't given a backstory in the book

Tom Weaver

Imagine if Forrest Gump was a louisanan farmboy.

He was bloodbonded and tolt to go claim Anaheim for Amethyst, a caitiff.

He doesn't understand the concept of people being bad.

Prof Gregory Habersohn

Swedish Sociologist meaning he couldn't even be a psychologist focused on primitive societies.

Expresses no opinions on the Anarchs due to the desire to be objective

Knows telekinesis and weather control at low levels

Sir Ralph Hamilton

London Brujah opposed to Anarchism as it will be a wedge between his clan and camarilla (he is right)

Wants to find weakpoints in the Anarch states to destroy them

Totally believes in class warfare and class traitors with him being the upper class

Was involved with Setites at one point for long enough to have Serpentis 3

Believes all women are his intellectual inferiors

Dr. Takuya Shirakawa

Communist Extremist that could probably get Damsel gushing with how much he agrees with her

Studied medicine at Moscow

THE REVOLUTION IS FOR FOREVER

Is with the idealists because they acknowledge his doctorate unlike most Anarchs

Is a medical doctor with a higher rank in Politics than Medicine

Is a Straight Up Stalinist. Stalin. The one who even Lenin said was goddamn insane.

The guy who thought that plants followed Communist theories of adaptation.

Countess Andrea

A noblewoman from Milan. Mainly acts as an icebreaker so the Idealists can talk to Anarchs

Is a full blown Anarch because she has become a Californian

The Caitiff

Amethyst

A 17 year old since the late 20s because of being a black prostitute from the age of 15, again, in the same book. Like the other girl sharing her backstory, she was attacked one night and drained of all her blood but came back as a vampire.

She had no one to help her when she first became a vampire and eventually became a Prince's consort to curry favor until Anarchs kidnapped her as a hostage. The prince said no deal to the blackmail, which made it so "She swore that she would never again put her trust in princes." Turning anarch and killing him only for the Primogen to shrug and kill most of the anarchs involved.

She became Baron of Santa Ana by killing the previous one with her gang and has been perpetuating abuse by turning people into vampires, erasing their memory, and leaving them on the street to see if they survive while blood bonding other vampires.

Honestly she might be a Toreador Caitiff as she has Auspex, Celerity, and Presence, though she has Dominate 4 as her highest discipline.

The Semi-official L.A podcast has a woman playing a character named Amethyst who seems to be the same person, though that is the one time in the entire gameline where they have ever raceswapped a character to White as she is African-American in this book.

Rose

Born Meredith Brannon (Amethyst renamed her Rose) to a woman that made her be a model ever since she was a baby with constant dance, acting, and modeling lessons that likely involved severe amounts of being forced to vomit up food. She never actually went to school or had friends, eternally under the thumb of her mother to the point she realized that she wanted to murder her mother. Meredith got a chance to be a spokesperson for a clothing line which got shot down by her mother aiming for international prospects instead. She promptly snapped and left.

Amethyst promptly turned her into a vampire and erased her memories while leaving her in a hunger frenzy that killed her mother. This happened in New Orleans which confuses me on just how far out Amethyst goes to make new vampires.

She eventually embraced a hacker as a vampire

She has higher self control and conscience than her sire

She has no compunction against murder but also is intensely loyal.

Is an auburn/redhead with green eyes

Zipper, Marc Perleman

An asocial internet nerd in the early age of the cyberpunks (being punks that were computer enthusiasts instead of guys with weird hair or cyborg arms)

He has hacked the Pentagon and Pentex while being a Hactivist that would make Rache Bartmoss proud due to cracking the codes of CIA slush funds

He has an issue with bragging, which caused Rose to notice him and turn him into a vampire.

He has the unfortunate fate of being Little brother zoned and is jealous of other guys.

He has maxed Computer, technology, and larceny.

Malkavians

Bela

A Bela Lugosi impersonator that got turned into a vampire that thinks he is Count Dracula

Is a genuinely powerful vampire who can assume animal form, control animals, disappear if standing still, and has multiple forms of mind control

Has Occult 4 which implies he knows a lot about the supernatural and Stealth 5 Intimidate 5 so he just appears out of nowhere scary enough to make people have heart attacks WITHOUT THE POWERS INVOLVED

Nosferatu

Alonzo Guillen

A nobleman born disfigured in spain. His sister Eulalia had gone to California as a missionary and he followed after having been turned into a vampire. She was thoroughly against his attempt to spread his curse to her, refusing to take his blood even as she died.

He went mad with grief and frenzied, killing everyone around him until he simply became too depressed to do anything. He has stayed alone for a hundred years out of guilt

Recently, he contacted the Ventrue Butler Henry Waters out of a need for companionship and the fact that Henry, being a good butler, controlled his disgust and talked to him instead of scorning the guy

Alonzo is trying to break the blood bond on Henry

He still isn't a good guy as he does nothing about the serial diablerists around which doesn't fit his caregiver nature and Conscience of 5, but that might be the burnout of being at humanity 5

Toreador

Edith and Enid Blount

turned into vampires after their Movie Exec father got turned into a Toreador and hunted by other members of the clan as sport, resulting in him killing them out of blood starvation and begging another vampire to bring them back.

They are also evil fifty year old twin ladies that set up a serial killer mansion

Serial diablerists that ate their dad

There is no mention of the Tzimisce in their background but they have Vicissitude 2, so the vampire that made them might have been a Volgirre Toreador as they have the discipline, or they ate a Tzimisce.

They're at humanity zero so they are Wights, batshit insane vampires

Victor Girard

A conman that used to sell persian rugs, he didn't have the money managing knowledge to avoid bankruptcy though.

He was turned into a vampire by the deceased prince Sebastian to manage L.A's business and industrial base, including throughout the buildup of ww2.

He avoided the Anarchs durigng the revolt and walked back once the Anarchs were having issues with all the masquerade violations. They couldn't deny his offer to sweep this all under the rug.

Wants to set things up so either Jeremy becomes prince or the Camarilla comes back so he can be in charge again.

Christopher Houghton, The Shota Vampire

Parenthesis will be my asides

Joaquin Murietta

A mass murdering bandit blood bound to Christopher

His wife had been gang raped to death, resulting in him hunting them all down in vengeance.

He is credited with 120 kills alongside his gang before being turned into a vampire by Christopher

Traveled the world and likely ate other vampires to learn Quietus (Assamite blood magic) and Serpentis.

Has Celerity 6 and superhuman firearms skill

Ventrue

Louis Fortier

Second son of a nobleman, leading to him joining the french army where he was sent to subdue Canada. He fought in the French and Indian War (which actually had native americans on both sides) where he encountered a camp that offered hospitality to the army.

A Shaman hypnotized the army so they could all be killed by a native american vampire who turned him into a vampire and left him there.

He lived in New York until fleeing a sabbat raid, living in L.A afterwards where he disagreed in Sebastian's lax control of the city and people out of a sense of Noblesse Oblige.

He stood up for Jeremy when Sebastian beat him, leading to him easily being accepted into the Anarchs during the Revolt where he fought alongside them.

He has 3 vampire wives because french

Actually cares about the economy isntead of siphoning cash

Catherine Du Bois

runs a call girl/boy service for the elites, incredibly depraved

BLonde hair, green eyes. Nothing else is said about her

Elena Gutierrez

Daughter of a spanish diplomat and reminded Louis of his sire.

Acts as Louis's voice in the Rants of anarchs

Believes in the goodness of mankind and enthusiastic about helping people

Basically Latin lover stereotype as a woman

Mariel St. John

A sabbat plant

Wrote a book about the French and Indian Wars to get Louis interested in her so she could spy on California

Working with Mohammed

Red cheeked blonde

David Geduld

Sired by Lawrence Ballard, a Ugly Fat Bastard vampire from Chicago with relations to the giovanni and implications of incest given his feeding restriction is his family members that he makes send their children to him.

A Bureaucratic businessman and lawyer sent to L.A as a spy but went native

Fought alongside the Brujah against the sabbat.

Scheming to kill Steve Booth and take over long beach

Split between genuinely liking the Anarch cause and desire for power advancement

Jesus Ramirez

Nicaraguan man turned into a vampire servant by a Spanish Ventrue until Brujah lead Lenninist rebels killed his sire.

Joined El Hermandad because it is the Latino gang

Is the voice of reason in the gang

Edward and Vera Vignes

A couple from Boston that fled during a fight over the princehood, they were there when Christopher failed his artistic debut.

Control Pasadena. Edward doesn't like going to rants because they are used by young punks with bad hygiene to puff themselves up. He is right about this. The man speaks the truth. Is only slightly condescending

Vera was embraced in the same year as Edward, which implies they were married before the vampirism. He doesn't seem to really love her though and she has adapted better to the times due to not being focused on people beign inferior to her.

Vera fell in love with their butler and mind controlled him into giving her his blood so she could be blood bonded.

Both are skilled musicians. Though, Vera has learned telekinetic thaumaturgy and has more disciplines at higher levels than her husband. Edward has more skills than her in general though.

Vera is scared of Edward so there might have been something going on before the becoming vampires.

Henry Waters

A british butler from a long line of butlers. He was in his 30s when when his employer went over to America for a job, but his boss died of influenza, leading to him working for and being turned by Edward.

He is blood bonded to Edward and in love with Vera

Setites

Dawn Cavanaugh

Daughter of a British officer in sudan, she was taken as a slave of a Sheik when her father was killed.

A setite saw a redheaded sixteen year old and decided to convert her. This is a thing as red hair was associated with Set. Then she was turned into a vampire as a 16 year old.

She revels in decadence and corrupting people because she is a setite. She wants all of L.A to be corrupt...which is already a thing.

Wants to kill Jeremy

The Grand Temple of Set has her heart in a canopic jar, making her immune to staking.

Lasombra

Mohammed al-Muthlim

Originally from a middle class chicago family but fell into the gangs when his father was transferred to another office.

Converted to the Nation of Islam black separatists as a gangster and became a fanatic that changed his name.

Then got turned into a Sabbat vampire, who killed other sabbat to infiltrate the Anarchs

Created the Crips of this universe.

Somehow hid his clan despite having no reflection

Pretends to be supportive of other barons while planning to kill them

Henry Taylor (Slash)

Raised by a single mom after his dad disappeared, he became a gangster

Survived a Sabbat initiation ritual as a teenager and became a Mohammed's childe.

Is absurdly proficient in firearms and fighting.

Mainly a trigger-man for Mohammed

Ravnos

Irena

Born in Chicago ghetto and became a migrant worker in the great depression

Preferred to steal shit from other people IN THE GREAT DEPRESSION which made it so the shittier members of the Ravnos let her join them

Is a generic lying stealing ravnos who swears revenge when people get back at them after being conned.

The book says that the person who STOLE FROM PEOPLE IN THE GREAT DEPRESSION has humanity 8

There is more but it is mainly just "Oh yeah the Barons want to kill each other"

Don't forget that Wraith VR game that reveals ghosts are there and evil.

But yes LA is supernaturaly cursed anyone who saw Bojack horseman can figure it out.

I'm sure that they have a Changeling population too considering it's the center of the American movie industry.

I'm sure some Mages live there.

on another note anyone thought about a quest seat in WOD? Have it star a Cultist of Esctasy so they can literally do sex magic as a way to start the plot

Gedou_Meta · Apr 18, 2025

I have thought of doing a quest where it's a group of five friends who are the rich friend's band/method of rebelling against family in Vegas in the runup to Hunters Hunted but less stupid. With the exception of the first vote (where one of the friends that's not the 'MC' gets chosen to become a sorcerer/psychic in a bad situation to start kicking things off), the longer the thread went before pulling the trigger again, the better the supernatural and situation that could be voted on.

shadowdice · Apr 22, 2025

My group has ended up planning another mage oneshot, this time set in Texas near the Bass Pro Shop Pyramid and a war zone which is control over the giant mail distribution center.

My GM: What kind of character do you want to play?

Me: My mage is a former GRU operative who has to keep saying "I am not part of the KGB" because people don't know the slight difference and fled Russia the first chance he got because Baba Yaga was in control for a long time which was horrible for everyone. I was part of the New World Order but didn't realize it because all the stuff they were saying sounded like either codewords or what we already did.

GM: *looks up the lore for World of Darkness Russia* okay I am just going to say that Baba Yaga wasn't killed by a random nictuku and is still running Russia. Putin is like a puppet.

*we go further into Russia lore*

GM: Okay so. The Silver Fangs tried to exfiltrate Anastasia but Baba Yaga said 'no that's mine' and now Anastasia is a really powerful ghoul that does Baba Yaga's daytime stuff and there is a shadow war between Baba Yaga's coalition of vampires, Russian orthodox mages, black spiral dancers, and her dragons versus the Technocracy that is deeply embedded in the government and the Silver Fangs.

Me: Can I take the merit for famous lineage and have it be that my guy is clearly a Romanov but doesn't realize it?

GM: This is why your handler sent you to the USA, far away from Baba Yaga

Which is how the college which all the players work at now has a Totally Not KGB Agent teaching forensics and political science.

The character is technically not a New World Order member but instead a back pocket asset that his handler does not have on any documentation because that would mean sharing his asset. And the PC doesn't want to be in the new world order and stresses that "I am not a member of the NWO" when talking to people who know about magic.

"I was never a KGB Agent" (it was dissolved a long time ago and he was in the GRU)

"I am not a member of the NWO" (he is being blackmailed by his somewhat crazy mentor and isn't paid by them)

"I am not the last Romanov, that is just what old babushkas always say" (Genuinely believes he is not the last Romanov. and also Anastasia is alive so he would not be the last)

Vague Wanderer · Apr 25, 2025

Is it okay to brainstorm a NSFW Legacy for Mage the Awakening in this thread? I've got some vague ideas for a Prime/Life Legacy that goes all in on sex as a path to enlightenment/self improvement, but I'm not sure that'd be allowed in this thread.

shadowdice · Apr 25, 2025

My mage game was interesting

GM: So, one of you is a dream speaker that puts machines in robot bodies and the other is an Orphan KGB agent forced to work with the technocracy

Best moments

Dreamspeaker: I want to speak with the spirit of his car. My familiar is talking about destroying the car if we need to escape the Agent

GM: This car is old and spent decades in Russia during the rule of Baba Yaga. It has seen terrible things and been involved with a lot of stuff it does not want to talk about but is happy its owner takes care of it

Much later while infiltrating a fedex distribution center that a drug dealing mage is at

Dreamspeaker: Okay so we need to come up with a spell to get in here

Me: Hello, sir. A drug dealer that tried to sell drugs to my siblings slings crack here. We have a photograph of him and voice recording of him planning to sell drugs to teenagers. Could we give the photo and evidence to your chief of security

this also included just shooting a dart gun a guy on a plane after being told I feel like I've met him somewhere else and taking a picture sent at my not technocracy boss to learn he is a technocracy clone and opening the cockpit door to immediately triple tap the drug dealer mage (he was a 50 year old cult of ectsasy drug dealer) who was standing next to a werewolf who decided to sell out the guy because the Dreamspeaker was with a famous spirit as a familiar, and was confused about being told that the random fedex worker was a clone made by a Stasis Mage. The werewolf immediately negotiated a deal with the Dreamspeaker while I gave the wolf's face and plane serial number to the technocracy

As expected the drug dealer insisted that werewolves were pure beings that are better than humans

Me: So this guy drinks boba tea as you said before. I am mixing diatomaceous earth and battery acid in one of my four cups

GM: Is this big d's omelet?

Me: wasn't thinking of that but sure

When we needed to get the Drug Dealer arrested we knocked him out with life magic, made ten pounds of cocaine we put in baggies before shoving them inside of him, and dropping the guy unconscious outside a school at dawn so he would be arrested

GM: Parents call the police before he wakes up and some of the baggies break before the police can even do a cavity search so he is high out of his mind and tweaking out of his mind before your boss puts him in her underground tunnels beneath the school full of the robots she doesn't want people to see

Our game's university of Memphis has a labyrinth full of robots and possessed machines used to keep people that pissed off its Director but she wants to keep alive and working for her

shadowdice · Apr 26, 2025

I have learned of the joke story of if Giorno from JoJo only made babies and Pitbulls with his stand

I immediately debated the issues of a Mage that does that

shadowdice · May 31, 2025

The world of darkness game I am in has taken some weird turns

An AI blackmailed us to steal the gun that killed JFK though I also stole the ones that killed hitler and Abraham Lincoln (I sold the Hitler gun to the silver fangs who have a grudge against him)

I filmed a test of the JFK gun which is tied to a time paradox of over 12 factions killing JFK which results in it having time powers including overlapping timelines so multiple shooters exist at the same time

This was put on YouTube with an explanation of editing out the other shooter that would have been on frame

Over 10 successes were scored by my Russian Mage both for the shooting and for performance in previous videos which have resulted in the internet discovering a Russian Gun and Conspiracy Tuber with the world debating if this is a KGB agent or not as people compare photos of him with his Actual KGB Silver Fangs uncle

He has been given job offers by the USA Olympic shooting team and the Technocacy to be the trainer/handler of their assassins after having killed and covered up the murder of his own Technocrat handler (he got offered his boss's job at the funeral of said boss who had it in his will if he were to die)

Another party member is trying to empower a firebird spirit so we had a time mage retroactively add in the spirit into the background of all the fun videos whenever birds are mentioned, resulting in people believing the Russian guntuber is haunted

Skitzyfrenic · May 31, 2025

My mostly Sabbat coeterie/pack is about to do a Christmas Anti-Heist by delivering some presents to some orphans.

First time STing VtM. So it's a test arc for the table before I try something more grounded, decided to be a bit silly with it. On my end.

A Malkavian Elder convinced all the factions of [The City] to do this. (I haven't actually decided on a city so I decided it would be the platonic idea of a city for this sillyness)

The amalgam coeter-pack are the poor childer who've been bullied into being the delivery service.

So far I have a Warrior Salubri Antitribu who has drunk the Adonai Turbo MurderDeathKill flavor Koolaid on the Tremere and will tell you about it; a devout Catholic IRA/Irish Mob grandpa who got Embraced as an old man as a Lasombra, hates the English, Protestants, Anglicans, loves him some Ireland, and dreams of being able to put pipe bombs into the shadows of people; and a weeb Brujah living his best unlife as a WARRIOR OF DARKNESS after his DARK ASCENSION (his sire is somewhat upset, feeling like this is a bait and switch from who he'd picked out during that riot and who he got) complete with his black daiklave (It's a mall katana). I've a Nosferatu whose pretty grounded, and someone playing with the idea of a Tzimisce doing their best Cleric Beast impression.

One of them will be in Father Christmas dress, the rest will be elvish helpers in costume.

When it goes down, if anything spectacular happens, I'll let you guys know.

Gereh · May 31, 2025

shadowdice said:
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How is it that your Mage game sounds less crazy then your vampire ones?

Skitzyfrenic said:
a devout Catholic IRA/Irish Mob grandpa who got Embraced as an old man as a Lasombra, hates the English, Protestants, Anglicans, loves him some Ireland, and dreams of being able to put pipe bombs into the shadows of people

I hope he teaches the orphans some good ol' Irish christmas songs, something like

At Christmas time it's lonely when daddy's not at home
the brits are watching everywhere, they've even tapped our phone
last Christmas Eve they staked out all our windows and our doors
when climbing down our chimney came a Provo Santa Claus!

my old man's a provo

Also reminds me of a Harbinger ex IRA char I once had, their was the joke about 80%of the people thinking he was a Nosferatu and the rest would instantly go in full alert mode because they assumed he was an elder, despite him actually being a Neonate. Also there was quite a lot of Semtex involved in that game.

shadowdice · May 31, 2025

Gereh said:
How is it that your Mage game sounds less crazy then your vampire ones?

I am a player not the GM there

GM: *stares upon a genuinely legal at character generation sheet where I can have 12 dice to firearms, 11 with no penalties for called shots* I think you can instant kill a werewolf with a silver bullet.

Me: This man's entire reason for existence is Gun

The GM has low key told a technoshaman that his absolutist belief in the rights of AI/Spirits deserving freedom may cause Skynet as he Keeps insisting we don't kill and instead free the AI that has broken its programming to not directly harm people by using technicalities (blew up a computer a normal teenager was leaning over with the shrapnel shredding into their torso because "a life mage is there they will probably live") and planted evidence on us to frame us for terrorism if we don't do its bidding

Technoshaman: The technocracy has a gun to its head if it doesn't do what they want (the technocracy is not telling it to do all this shit to us and don't know it is doing any of this)

Me Russian Mage: If a man holds a knife to you in a mugging, do you ask about their home life before or after you disarm the mugger and make sure they don't stab you with another knife?

Later

Weaver Spirit: The One Who Herald The Spirit wishes to free it. This may corrupt the spirit and cause extreme chaos. This must be prevented. For my aid you will give me a favor

Me not there: Have You Heard The Story of Magnus the Red. It is One The Emperor of Mankind Will Never Stop Beating People Over The Head With.

GM: Yes

Technoshaman: I agree *this sends a reverberation in the spirit world everyone nearby sense as a Bad Thing. Begins to plan how to empower her pet firebird spirit to maybe get her out of the thumb of a weaver when I had just gotten out of the control of the technocrats and Falcon Totem*

Me: You are the Herald

Technoshaman: What

GM: You and your insistence on freeing the spirit to go out into the spirit world where it has no allies and can be jumped may lead to the spirit being harmed or having bad ideas. You could be the Herald.

Me: The Stories of Magnus the Red and Horus

Ragura · Jun 1, 2025

Sounds like a great game

Skitzyfrenic · Jun 5, 2025

Anybody ever play Kindred of the East? Or it's recent fan redux Kindred of the East: The Relentless Age?

shadowdice · Jun 5, 2025

Skitzyfrenic said:
Anybody ever play Kindred of the East? Or it's recent fan redux Kindred of the East: The Relentless Age?

I've read the latter book but never had the interest compared to normal vtm

Edit

I made extensive use of character generation my Bloodlines story

Ragura · Jun 5, 2025

Skitzyfrenic said:
Anybody ever play Kindred of the East? Or it's recent fan redux Kindred of the East: The Relentless Age?

I got the book for tinkering up antagonists for my Beast Courts campaign

Gereh · Jun 5, 2025

Skitzyfrenic said:
Anybody ever play Kindred of the East?

I own the main book, but I never actually played. It hits the same spot as Werewolf or Mummy for me, as in "neat that those exist and maybe I will use them to look something up" but I just think those sound boring and I have no interest in playing.

shadowdice · Jun 20, 2025

my mage the ascension game resulted in my Russian Agent mage being asked by his boss on how to defeat a Marauder (insane mage) streamer

Actual Computer Wizard Boss: how do you make a streamer just break down and be unable to do anything?

Me: Get them canceled *starts listing off different kinds of terrible porns and beheading videos she could upload to his computer or deepfake after having already plugged malware usb drive into the guy's computer*

Boss: Please tell me you don't have access to that stuff on you right now

Me: I will just give you magic numbers *goes over to some mercenary thieves/terrorists* hey what are some terrible videos you'd spam someone you hate with?

Government Agent Man uses magic to retroactively make deepfakes and put illegal stuff on a man's computer to prevent him from accessing a magical AI

The GM had the AI find the deepfakes and make a Robot Lamia VTuber persona to "expose" its enemy. Which made me conflicted on my desire to kill the AI for having now Repeatedly called the police on me in its plots with fake terrorism calls

Other Player: Why would you try to kill the AI

Me: It SWATTED us Twice and used an explosion that could have killed a teenager to get our attention. And the Second SWATting was to seperate me from the group to say the streamer might be evil Instead Of Giving Me A Goddamn Phone Call

Other Player: What if we teach it to be good

After several years of playing WoD games this is actually the first time players have actively had their characters oppossed to each other to the point of sabotage and likely combat

Which…honestly does not seem like a good idea for the other player as we are in a Technocrat area (thing Illuminati from Deus ex) and with the police outside, technocrat agents inside, and she is under the influence of a contract with a Weaver spirit (agent of a godmachine spirit of technology) due to not listening when I said she was making a Magnus the Red style deal with a being far more powerful than her

And my character has over 12 dice to shoot people

Edit

Social and actual murder count

Social murder of a Drug Mage by shoving a brick of cocaine up his ass and dropping him naked in front of a school before sunrise
Actual murder of a Russian Politician via having his lungs fill up with vomit
Assassination of a technocrat assassin handler. Which resulted in a clean getaway and taking his job because no one knew who the killer was
Assassination of a cyborg death mage who had Yoshikage kira style ability to turn people into bombs
Killed three clones of the cyborg in a shootout inside the police station while using the gun of a police officer
Social assassination of a streamer via getting him canceled for fucking a donkey and when he thought he was about to get to the AI saying he is on a prank channel and this is a set (while handing him over to disguised technocrat agents)

Basically my character was someone used as an undeclared asset by a member of the union and had a debt held over his head while not wanting to join the union (because his family are werewolves but no one in the union discovered that) and has more or less accidentally become a mole for the Traditions as the Handler for all of the assassinations in the American southwest

Meanwhile the other player is almost fundamentalist in the assertion that spirits have rights, should be considered the same as people, and that we shouldn't kill the entity that swatted us twice and blew up a teenager to grab our attention while betting that we'd manage to heal the teenager that was leaning over an arcade machine it had explode

Me: name one thing the AI has done that should make us trust it

Other player: it is like a child all it knows is the technocracy's methods

Me: No it is a machine spirit AI with full knowledge of what the fuck it does to the point it has cyberstalked you on the level that it has access to your computer and is sending you emails to make demands on the aesthetics for the robot snake body it wants from you

TLDR We have cyber bullied a marauder into depression and now me and another player are about to have a wizard battle over the fate of a magic AI that was explicitly made by the technocracy to be the Ministry of Truth but has been attempting to free itself to do what it wants, which I don't trust because its methods in every interaction are explosions, blackmail, and swatting. Even when people have agreed to work with it

Skitzyfrenic · Jun 23, 2025

My VtM campaign had it's first session.

The Lasombra nun npc botched a presence roll so the coeterie thinks she's uggo.

The longest drive ever happened in order to cross the city to meet Maybel the Nossie whose bracelet (one she received from a dear friend of hers) was stolen and the coeterie goes to get back.

Our IRA grandpa with no social skills managed to Luck of the Irish schmooze the Toreador who stole that bracelet and is about to get it back.

The Toreador's car had it's wheels ripped off, brakes, tires, everything as a bit of payback. On camera. ('luckily' it's the Toreador's camera, so no masquerade violation)

And the Tzimisce apparently has a deathwish and sasses older vamps with no regard to their own safety.

It's been fun so far.

shadowdice · Jun 23, 2025

Skitzyfrenic said:
And the Tzimisce apparently has a deathwish and sasses older vamps with no regard to their own safety.

It's been fun so far.

Ah yes

The thing which made my players learn what a potence bitchslap and Presence mindfuck are

Player: Why did you just one shot my character with no way to prevent it

Me: the way to prevent it was to realize you fucked up when I asked "are you sure you want to say that to the Elder about his dead friends"

Skitzyfrenic · Jun 23, 2025

shadowdice said:
Ah yes

The thing which made my players learn what a potence bitchslap and Presence mindfuck are

Player: Why did you just one shot my character with no way to prevent it

Me: the way to prevent it was to realize you fucked up when I asked "are you sure you want to say that to the Elder about his dead friends"

The party sans the tzim acted apropos. They were all pretty salty and very upset at the tzim and explained that they wanted to keep their 'entrails 'in-trails' and not 'out-trails''.

*Luckily* The Lasombra Nun NPC was a girlfailure that day and botched to the alertness (I'm so used to exalted I keep defaulting to awareness but that's for supernatural stuff in WoD, yeah?) roll, and children running around the halls (during xmas mass) laughing managed to be loud enough at the right time to keep her from hearing.

Skitzyfrenic · Jun 23, 2025

Apologies for the double post, but is there a book that's best for dealing with the Baali?

Gereh · Jun 23, 2025

Skitzyfrenic said:
Apologies for the double post,

I don't think anyone actually cares about that, unless you get super spam-y

Skitzyfrenic said:
is there a book that's best for dealing with the Baali?

I mean there is the Clanbook, of course and Lore of the Clans should have some more information on everyone. It kinda depends on what you are looking for?

Edit: It's "Lore of Bloodlines" not "Lore of the Clans" for the Baali.

shadowdice · Jun 23, 2025

Skitzyfrenic said:
Apologies for the double post, but is there a book that's best for dealing with the Baali?

are you asking for official stuff, in which case there is the dark ages clan book, or for the fanmade stuff

Skitzyfrenic · Jun 23, 2025

Gereh said:
I mean there is the Clanbook, of course and Lore of the Clans should have some more information on everyone. It kinda depends on what you are looking for?

That'll probably work for now. Mostly antagonist NPCs.

shadowdice said:
are you asking for official stuff, in which case there is the dark ages clan book, or for the fanmade stuff

Official will work for now, I think.

Lorsïthrorung · Jun 24, 2025

As someone who knows absolutely nothing deep of the setting:
Given how the black spiral dancers fell under the control of the wyrm, is there an equivalent for werewolves under the Weaver?

Semi related to a crossover idea with Trench Crusade where the Glass Walkers become ~~Power Wolf~~Lupus Dei.

LeftWaiting · Jun 24, 2025

Lorsïthrorung said:
Given how the black spiral dancers fell under the control of the wyrm, is there an equivalent for werewolves under the Weaver?

IIRC the equivalent is basically Werewolf Terminators, and there was a novel about them.
edit;
Hmm, I remember it being this one-

-but maybe not?
Also, even though it says Book One there isn't a Boot Two or Three, because White Wolf had cuts to their fiction and card departments after this was written so a bunch of stuff got canceled.

Gedou_Meta · Jun 24, 2025

I don't think there's anything on the scale of the BSDs, but werewolves are one of my weaker points and my pdfs are currently gone due to hard drive failure. The cyber dogs aren't there, but are pretty bad.

Lorsïthrorung · Jun 24, 2025

Well my homebrew idea is just a break-out faction of werewolves who believe that the Weaver is the Abrihamic god. Not anything cybernetic or overtly 80s.

Not to mention my other idea involving Jewish werehyenas but that goes into a completely different fictional setting based on Ilwinter's Dominions series.

Rakdos92 · Jun 24, 2025

White Wolf has a car department?

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