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You chose do analyze the pieces two times at day, so now it's faster.nightblade said:
No. His dream is creepy as hell. Heck it's even creepier then Issei's and this is the guy who wants a harem.Megaolix said:Oh boy, poor Saji. His dream is basically...
I wonder if there's something we can do about it after we're done analyzing them.
Not... really? He wants to marry his Master and become a teacher at the school she wants to open.nightblade said:No. His dream is creepy as hell. Heck it's even creepier then Issei's and this is the guy who wants a harem.
I think nightblade means how Saji phrase his dream in Vol. 3, before it changes to what it's now.John At DAwn said:Not... really? He wants to marry his Master and become a teacher at the school she wants to open.
That's not his dream last I checked. As far as I know he wants to impregnate her.John At DAwn said:Not... really? He wants to marry his Master and become a teacher at the school she wants to open.
he is rather immature (less then canon issei at this point) and his delceration of his dream is creepy as fuck at this point.John At DAwn said:Not... really? He wants to marry his Master and become a teacher at the school she wants to open.
Alexander said:"Yes. It uses the DNA of the King as a matrix and gradually changes the new devil's body to make processes such as sharing demonic energy easier to perform. I am not completely sure..." You tap your finger on your chin. "But I think that change is at a level that makes the reincarnated devil the equivalent of paternal or maternal nephew/niece of the King."
What exactly is creepy about wanting a harem?nightblade said:No. His dream is creepy as hell. Heck it's even creepier then Issei's and this is the guy who wants a harem.
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Is this the same society that is perfectly okay with benefiting from slavery so long as it happens in some far-distant third world country where they don't have to look at it? Because I for one am a-okay with being extremely creepy if that's the definition you're going for.nightblade said:
I modified my post. Anyway it's extremely odd. Actually now that I think about it there is nothing wrong with it that I can think of. It's just mostly the fact he says it out loud is creepy as hell.Smuthunter said:Is this the same society that is perfectly okay with benefiting from slavery so long as it happens in some far-distant third world country where they don't have to look at it? Because I for one am a-okay with being extremely creepy if that's the definition you're going for.
nightblade said:Found another error.
The theory is complex, but basically they are much more powerful than any computer know to mankind."
Know should be Known.
Smuthunter said:Is this the same society that is perfectly okay with benefiting from slavery so long as it happens in some far-distant third world country where they don't have to look at it? Because I for one am a-okay with being extremely creepy if that's the definition you're going for.
Thanks for putting for what I found creepy about it. Also I was just correct the sentence.megrisvernin said:I've heard quantum computers would be better at say particle calculations & other various ways of modeling haven't heard they'd be better at everything than normal computers.
I assume this stems from the association of wanting a "harem" with wish fulfillment fantasies. Also the phrase harem makes me think of the Ottaman sultans with their harem of women kept isolated & away from other men.
Strictly speaking there's nothing wrong with wanting a polyamorous relationship even if you don't happen to have multiple women at the time in mind. If someone just loves multiple people that's plenty enough to want to try polyamorous. In theory you might prefer the structure because it allows multiple sets of parents to look after children, economic stability, gender inequality among other reasons(like religious). The problem is that people who think of harems seem to assume a power imbalance where the other partners serve them without being coequal members of a relationship.
To the extent that Saji objectifies women as conquests in dreams, I have a problem. Power balances in relationships are unstable & I'd be...concerned about the long-term happiness of everyone involved even him.
I still don't see what you're getting at. Objectifying women is generally a negative thing (I would include an exception for fictional women, but whatever) but Issei is clearly not an individual who is prone to such behavior.nightblade said:I modified my post. Anyway it's extremely odd. Actually now that I think about it there is nothing wrong with it that I can think of. It's just mostly the fact he says it out loud is creepy as hell.
There is absolutely no way Issei is thinking that way in canon. If you use this as a reason as to why Saji sounds creepy and not Issei, then I call bullshit right here. Besides, Issei followed up in Vol. 3 saying he wanted to suck Rias's breasts. How is that not just as bad?megrisvernin said:Strictly speaking there's nothing wrong with wanting a polyamorous relationship even if you don't happen to have multiple women at the time in mind. If someone just loves multiple people that's plenty enough to want to try polyamorous. In theory you might prefer the structure because it allows multiple sets of parents to look after children, economic stability, gender inequality among other reasons(like religious). The problem is that people who think of harems seem to assume a power imbalance where the other partners serve them without being coequal members of a relationship.
It is just as bad. Heck stuff like that is why I have issues reading the light novels or watching the anime. I tend to skip past that stuff in the anime.Megaolix said:There is absolutely no way Issei is thinking that way in canon. If you use this as a reason as to why Saji sounds creepy and not Issei, then I call bullshit right here. Besides, Issei followed up in Vol. 3 saying he wanted to suck Rias's breasts. How is that not just as bad?
It's the conotations of harem being a group of submissive slavishly devoted sexual objects who value you as the core of their world rather than being people.Smuthunter said:
Thank you. That's another reason as well. If I didn't know Issei it would be a lot creepier.Larekko12 said:It's the conotations of harem being a group of submissive slavishly devoted sexual objects who value you as the core of their world rather than being people.
Issei was just as bad at first. He wanted a harem because girls. That's it. He got better in canon about it.nightblade said:Thank you. That's another reason as well. If I didn't know Issei it would be a lot creepier.
Megaolix said:There is absolutely no way Issei is thinking that way in canon. If you use this as a reason as to why Saji sounds creepy and not Issei, then I call bullshit right here. Besides, Issei followed up in Vol. 3 saying he wanted to suck Rias's breasts. How is that not just as bad?
To the extent that Saji objectifies women as conquests in dreams, I have a problem. Power balances in relationships are unstable & I'd be...concerned about the long-term happiness of everyone involved even him.
I didn't know Saji's dream had changed. I have not gotten past the first couple of novels cause of the bad writing and all the creepy perverted stuff Issei says.Megaolix said:Issei was just as bad at first. He wanted a harem because girls. That's it. He got better in canon about it.
And so Saji. So seeing him getting bashed here because of something in volume 3 when Issei was as bad is baffling.
Except neither of them objectify women. They start with hardly the faintest idea of what a real relationship entails because they're dumb hormonal teenage males. Once they get enough experience from hanging around their respective love interests their goals shift quite seriously. Both of them very obviously care about their partners as real people, not just sex objects for them to ogle and grope.megrisvernin said:Don't forget the rest of my quote.
Swap Saji with Issei & it applies just as well. Men who objectify women are creepy & I don't find them appealing as characters.
Sorry, no. Issei cared so much about Yuuma that Raynare's betrayal gave him deep-seated psychological issues, and he only knew her for a handful of hours. If Issei and Saji appear to be excessively concerned with the physical aspects of a relationship to the expense of all others that's because the physical stuff is the only thing either of them have even the faintest inkling of experience with, not because they don't care about anything else. I maintain that if Issei were to rephrase his ambition at some point it probably sound more like "I want to be surrounded by people I love." Or in Saji's case "I want to marry Sona and help her fulfill her dreams."nightblade said:They were and Saji still does in this quest. Truth be told I like DxD for it's later stuff.
Whatever. Point is wanting to having a harem can be creepy depending on the person. And is mostly creepy in real life. You want to be in a relationship with mutilpy women and they are fine with it then that's up to you.Smuthunter said:Sorry, no. Issei cared so much about Yuuma that Raynare's betrayal gave him deep-seated psychological issues, and he only knew her for a handful of hours. If Issei and Saji appear to be excessively concerned with the physical aspects of a relationship to the expense of all others that's because the physical stuff is the only thing either of them have even the faintest inkling of experience with, not because they don't care about anything else. I maintain that if Issei were to rephrase his ambition at some point it probably sound more like "I want to be surrounded by people I love." Or in Saji's case "I want to marry Sona and help her fulfill her dreams."